ClockworkMod 3.0.x.x - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Ok what does this one fix?

Hopefully fixes the flashing issues people on different hboots are having. I had to restore 2.5.0.1 with the PC36IMG.zip just so I could flash anything at this point. Did anybody else have this many problems with previous 3.0 builds?

i'm having the same problem as you. currently very frustrated

3.0.0.3
im testing as we speak with cm7.will report

It still sucks. I downloaded cm6.2 and it flashed it but refused to flash the gapps that were downloaded along with the rom. Sucks. Starting to regret donating
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Issues out the ying-yang with all the 3.0.x.x builds. I went through Koush's site and found all the files for Clockwork.
Here is the image you can flash through fastboot...
Code:
fastboot flash recovery recovery-clockwork-2.5.1.2-supersonic.img
http://koush.tandtgaming.com/recoveries/recovery-clockwork-2.5.1.2-supersonic.img
Here is the flashable .zip. Should be able to flash this through the borked recovery. If not, use the above.
http://koush.tandtgaming.com/recoveries/recovery-clockwork-2.5.1.2-supersonic.zip
Here is the page that I got these from. There are more versions in there too...
http://koush.tandtgaming.com/recoveries/
Enjoy : )

generalExpert said:
Ok what does this one fix?
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i can see it can't fix people posting in the correct area

Wow. Isn't a "forum" a correct area for a post. Pull ur panties out of your ass and chill.

generalExpert said:
Wow. Isn't a "forum" a correct area for a post. Pull ur panties out of your ass and chill.
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I think he's implying the proper area in said "forum".....this should definitely be in General!

Thanks -viperboy-. I have flashed back to 2.5.0.1 and all is working. I'm just curious what the newest version is changing. I'm sure they are seeing and reading about all the problems we've been having with the newest update. Which, by the way, is the reason that I posted this post here. It will obviously be seen by more eyes. Hopefully the right eyes.
We need a definitive answer to all these questions. We need to hear from ClockworkMod what versions we should use on what devices.

Have you checked his thread for clockworkmod? You would probably get a lot more responses posting in q&a instead of cluttering the dev section.
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CheesyNutz said:
i can see it can't fix people posting in the correct area
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tonwarr.the.incredible said:
I think he's implying the proper area in said "forum".....this should definitely be in General!
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xHausx said:
Have you checked his thread for clockworkmod? You would probably get a lot more responses posting in q&a instead of cluttering the dev section.
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Congrats guys, you earned that badge!

mattykinsx said:
Congrats guys, you earned that badge!
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Aww, that's cute. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
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xHausx said:
Aww, that's cute. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
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I just figured I would contribute as much as bumping a thread forty times simply because its in the "wrong sub-forum"

mattykinsx said:
Congrats guys, you earned that badge!
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hahaha thats a nice badge tho.

This is getting old, what kind of ****in high horse do you ride? We Dont need forum police, if someone posts in the wring goddamn section, so be it it, people are here cuz they need help and maybe Dont know the proper forum to seek it. Give em a damns break, and stop using your puny 'post comment' button to make you feel like you got something in your pants. If toast has a problem with it, help say it! You are not a mod cheezynuts.
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I'm sure that post will get me banned, but I've been a member for years now, and all this 'im the cops bs' I'm seein lately is not what this forums about
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scottspa74 said:
I'm sure that post will get me banned, but I've been a member for years now, and all this 'im the cops bs' I'm seein lately is not what this forums about
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Considering that this forum is one of the least moderated forums I've ever been to(which is part of the problem), I wouldn't be worried about getting banned.
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im using RA 1. 8 .. thats all!
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Back to stock

I am getting a replacement EVO in the mail today. I need to flash this phone back to stock. I'm running the very first cyanogen rom. Thanks guys.
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thanks for letting us know...?
teknikk7 said:
I am getting a replacement EVO in the mail today. I need to flash this phone back to stock. I'm running the very first cyanogen rom. Thanks guys.
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Thanks for letting me know what you are up to these days. When I wake up every morning, I always ask myself what will you be doing today.
Lol let us know when youre going to the john also.
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You guys know what he's asking..
Hes asking for directions on how to post in the Q&A section...
no.. seriously.. I haven't done a "back to stock" successfully yet.. But I would like to.. warranty reasons..
How to unroot/return to stock
teknikk7 said:
I am getting a replacement EVO in the mail today. I need to flash this phone back to stock. I'm running the very first cyanogen rom. Thanks guys.
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This link below should get you started; I have 'unrooted' my EVO a couple times. Of course, there's a ton of other links/posts if you search this forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=743192
Wow, what a bunch of dicks. I just needed to know how to get "get back to stock"as the thread title says.
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teknikk7 said:
Wow, what a bunch of dicks. I just needed to know how to get "get back to stock"as the thread title says.
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WOW, was it that hard to post in the right place?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=652
Normally I defend newer people, but you never asked a question in your post, and you posted it in the development section.
teknikk7 said:
Wow, what a bunch of dicks. I just needed to know how to get "get back to stock"as the thread title says.
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you should change your name from teknikk7 to tekNOT and hopefully you get some manners before you make your next post
teknikk7 said:
Wow, what a bunch of dicks. I just needed to know how to get "get back to stock"as the thread title says.
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and I was being sarcastic.. and I even tried to help your cause... *sheeze
teknikk7 said:
Wow, what a bunch of dicks. I just needed to know how to get "get back to stock"as the thread title says.
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I dont know if you realized but you wrote the sentence as if you were making a comment and not interpreting it as a question about how to go from 2.2 to Stock 2.1.
Also you posted in the wrong forum. This forum is about Development only and you posted a question. You seem to not have realized that and it is fine Don't expect to get hugs and kisses from your comment when you initially did not read clearly about where to post questions. If you are still confused then maybe you this community is not the place you should be at and you should not modify your phone.
First of all... AWESOME!
There should be a thread on this! Or numerous ones! If there was only a way to find them without looking through every thread manually....
EUREEKAA!
Just having fun! Click this!

Help help help ...

Ok so I will try to explain with all the details as I can and thanks for your help
I was rooted with S-off and everything was fine. Was testing some ROM recently when my phone yesterday morning started rebooting on its own. I tried to unplug the battery and go into recovery but it kept rebooting. When i say rebooting it means it went to white screen with htc logo then few seconds with black screen then back to white screen and so on. I tried everything with no avail. Tried RUU from sprint but that did nothing and same problem (only updated my hboot from .93 to 2.02) and when I tried another one the first RUU from sprint available it makes my phone vibrate 5 times and then green light flashing with black screen.
I cannot get into recovery at all. Cannot get ADB to connect and I get fastboot remote not allowed if i tried to erase recovery. Tried to flash recovery several times with no help using Hboot and PC36IMG.zip. Please help me if you can and thanks in advance.
Abdo
Double post.
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Nice rom bro. Can't wait to flash. Does it have 4g?
On a serious note, theres some stuff on this in q and a
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RileyGrant said:
Nice rom bro. Can't wait to flash. Does it have 4g?
On a serious note, theres some stuff on this in q and a
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Nice double post bro.
Also OP if you search you will find a solution.
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This tool might help you.
PS - MOD how are people posting on a dev board who have 3 posts?
dafunk60 said:
This tool might help you.
PS - MOD how are people posting on a dev board who have 3 posts?
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hes been a member since 2009 probally before they made the min rule
Give this guy a goddanned break! Chill the f out!
When something that seems end-all-be-all, you don't feel QA is the beat place, you want the best. Quit being so goddamn sanctimonious.
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scottspa74 said:
Give this guy a goddanned break! Chill the f out!
When something that seems end-all-be-all, you don't feel QA is the beat place, you want the best. Quit being so goddamn sanctimonious.
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yea lets all break the rules ....
its clearly a question so needs to be in the Q&A not the dev section
scottspa74 said:
Give this guy a goddanned break! Chill the f out!
When something that seems end-all-be-all, you don't feel QA is the beat place, you want the best. Quit being so goddamn sanctimonious.
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Agreed. When it's an emergency the q and a isn't the best place. Everyone knows that everyone comes to development section first.
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CheesyNutz said:
yea lets all break the rules ....
its clearly a question so needs to be in the Q&A not the dev section
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I'm guessing you follow the speed limit and use your blinkers every time too.
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jlechner said:
Agreed. When it's an emergency the q and a isn't the best place. Everyone knows that everyone comes to development section first.
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someone would have helped him by now if it was in the qa section, now he's either going to get some bad advice or everyone will just ignore his question
Most likely, this will get moved to Q&A anyhow, and btw, I come to the Dev section last and I DO follow the speed limit (+ about 1% over) and use my blinkers at every turn....
scottspa74 said:
Give this guy a goddanned break! Chill the f out!
When something that seems end-all-be-all, you don't feel QA is the beat place, you want the best. Quit being so goddamn sanctimonious.
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I learned a new word.... lol. But ur absolutely right. People seem more interested in chewing you out than offering a helping hand. Even if the thread is in the wrong place.

GAPPS 2.3.5

Here is a link to the updated gapps for anyone on CM7.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0mfhm9gwz07cm4d
Edit: Here is a mirror considering there has been some problems with the mediafire link. http://www.multiupload.com/Q184Q5YS09
Fasinationinmotion said:
Here is a link to the updated gapps for anyone on CM7.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0mfhm9gwz07cm4d
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WWW.goo-inside.me
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ILikeBubbles said:
WWW.goo-inside.me
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Old? Kinda says 6/22. These are 7/25.
Bump for use.
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Bump for use.
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admittedly don't know how bumping works... still feel the same way though.
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ILikeBubbles said:
Stop selling, no ones buying. You shouldn't have to ask people to bump your product. They will if they like it and its quality. Besides, goo-inside.me links directly to cm wiki. Ate you saying that cyanogen doesn't know if there's a new gapps out? Maybe you should send a letter directly to team douche...
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Hm considering the amount of downloads on it lol. Your an idiot. Hop off my nuts and go cry to mommy. Nobody told you to open this did they? And CM 7 has yet to post this. People like you are what ruins forums when someone is helping out. And also I didnt ask someone to bump. I did it stupid lol. You obviously dont know what a bump is. Get off the forum.
Is there s-off for GB yet?????!?!!!
06stang said:
Is there s-off for GB yet?????!?!!!
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YES there is!
Moved to proper forum.
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Moved to proper forum.
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Thank you sir. Sorry bout that.
Fasinationinmotion said:
Hm considering the amount of downloads on it lol. Your an idiot. Hop off my nuts and go cry to mommy. Nobody told you to open this did they? And CM 7 has yet to post this. People like you are what ruins forums when someone is helping out. And also I didnt ask someone to bump. I did it stupid lol. You obviously dont know what a bump is. Get off the forum.
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Lol whew ty for that! I was having a rough day and needed a laugh <3 wish I could make you cookies :/
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ILikeBubbles said:
Lol whew ty for that! I was having a rough day and needed a laugh <3 wish I could make you cookies :/
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This isn't like you..you were never like this in the Eris forums. You came in this thread looking to start something. He was letting you know the one you posted wasn't for 2.3.5 and was right. Please don't stir things up. We give our moderator a hard enough time anyway.
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knipp21 said:
This isn't like you..you were never like this in the Eris forums. You came in this thread looking to start something. He was letting you know the one you posted wasn't for 2.3.5 and was right. Please don't stir things up. We give our moderator a hard enough time anyway.
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Thank god i have others to tell me what i am and am not like. Didn't come to start ****, i can tell ya that. but i suppose trolls will troll and all that jazz whatever makes threads all warm and fuzzy. p.s. how was i supposed to know the cm wiki wouldn't be updated. last time i saw gapps leaked it was a fake. still don't feel guilty, and you're not getting cookies from me for that one.
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ILikeBubbles said:
Thank god i have others to tell me what i am and am not like. Didn't come to start ****, i can tell ya that. but i suppose trolls will troll and all that jazz whatever makes threads all warm and fuzzy. p.s. how was i supposed to know the cm wiki wouldn't be updated. last time i saw gapps leaked it was a fake. still don't feel guilty, and you're not getting cookies from me for that one.
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I don't want cookies. I just want those who don't have a dinc2 to not come in and start things. I knew what he was posting that for. And in the cm7 thread it was stated we didn't have the new gapps yet.
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Every time i check in on xda i realize why i hang around rootzwiki.com far more! The forums here are filled with d-bags and ass holes! You guys are pathetic! Respect the people in these forums or do it yourself!
THATTON said:
Every time i check in on xda i realize why i hang around rootzwiki.com far more! The forums here are filled with d-bags and ass holes! You guys are pathetic! Respect the people in these forums or do it yourself!
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+1
10charss
Fasinationinmotion said:
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Lol
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ILikeBubbles said:
Lol
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Youve been proved wrong and made look like a total tool and a douche bag yet your still here? Lol. Reported and filed.
Fasinationinmotion said:
Youve been proved wrong and made look like a total tool and a douche bag yet your still here? Lol. Reported and filed.
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Hey I just think its funny at this point. I've made no attempt to hide the fact that I've been trolling after my initial post.
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P.s. I think we both look like douche bags.

[Q] Flashed New Caulkins 2.0, and now phone won't boot

So, I flashed Caulks new EK02 Rom, and, when I went to restart, phone is stuck on boot screen; Wiped everything as normal before flashing, but stuck on the yellow triangle screen.
I tried all the normal stuff to get into recovery, but phone won't go past the initial boot screen.
I have a mac computer, and thats all there are in the house, so I can't use Odin..
Can someone help me get the phone back to a state where it starts up?
Thanks so much for your help!
Didn't I just answer this question lol...
2 threads aren't necessary in these forums, we see your question.
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SocialReject said:
Didn't I just answer this question lol...
2 threads aren't necessary in these forums, we see your question.
Sent from the future.
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True but its easy to go into panic mode when your expensive toy wont do a damn thing. I have been there before. A few minutes waiting for answers seems like an eternity.
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lol, understood.
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SocialReject said:
Didn't I just answer this question lol...
2 threads aren't necessary in these forums, we see your question.
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First of all, this is the ONLY thread I made for this question; I made a post in the thread where the rom was located to make the dev aware of the issue
I'll be watching you closely, for when you have a serious issue and ask for help, to make sure you don't post it more than once..
And, BTW, I used Heimdall on my own, without your suggestion; I've been flashing phones for longer than you've probably been on this earth...
JohnCorleone said:
True but its easy to go into panic mode when your expensive toy wont do a damn thing. I have been there before. A few minutes waiting for answers seems like an eternity.
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Thanks for your kind words, John; you show the kind of class that used to be everywhere on this forum!
where are you seeing a new rom from CAulk?
All original Posts I see in DEV the only Caulk one are for the 1.5a ROM,
thanks,
RR
The "Stock EK02" ROM.
h20wakebum said:
where are you seeing a new rom from CAulk?
All original Posts I see in DEV the only Caulk one are for the 1.5a ROM,
thanks,
RR
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its in here bro..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19862447&posted=1#post19862447
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First of all, this is the ONLY thread I made for this question; I made a post in the thread where the rom was located to make the dev aware of the issue
I'll be watching you closely, for when you have a serious issue and ask for help, to make sure you don't post it more than once..
And, BTW, I used Heimdall on my own, without your suggestion; I've been flashing phones for longer than you've probably been on this earth...
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Bro, relax smh.... reread what I said and stop taking everything to heart... if I misread a thread name, tell me that. No need to brew up a storm.. anyway, hope you find a solution.
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Actually if you are on XDA app or Tapatalk, lately its been occasionally doubling up on random threads. I have seen it happen a several times lately. It will show the same exact thread, same amount of posts, but views are different. That may have happened here. Thanks for the kind words wase.
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These 2 threads aren't asking the same question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370311
I understand you were in an tight spot but no need to lash out at me for simply pointing out the obvious and trying to help you out...
That is all.....
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SocialReject said:
These 2 threads aren't asking the same question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370311
I understand you were in an tight spot but no need to lash out at me for simply pointing out the obvious and trying to help you out...
That is all.....
Sent from the future.
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Yup, looks like it got doubled up. I think that's what happened anyway
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Oh well, not that big of a deal.
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Oh well, not that big of a deal.
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Its really not. Just trying to keep the peace. Since the new modems its been so civil around here...its actually nice. You've been thanked too Social
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Its really not. Just trying to keep the peace. Since the new modems its been so civil around here...its actually nice. You've been thanked too Social
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lol, my thoughts exactly. No need to plague the forum with bad blood. I appreciate that, man.
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sorry for flying off the handle; lets just forget it, and have fun again..

[RECOVERY] TWRP 2.0 is here!!

The full touchscreen recovery is now available for the E4GT!
I'm not affiliated nor take credit, just wanted to let u guys know enjoy!
http://teamw.in/project/twrp2
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Very nice but I heard there were still issues?
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Thanks for posting this. checking it out now.
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nice...too bad i dont know hot to push files from adb lol. reading the replies there also seems to be many errors installing and one claim of a bricked phone
Yeah, I read comments on their website that said it wouldn't flash.
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There is an issue with that file. It doesn't work and you will either still have CWM or will be stuck on the splash screen.
The TWRP 2.0 thread in the general section has already brought brought up the issues.
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If you follow the link and loon at the site, you will notice that epic touch is not on the list...yet. So, not sure why the post.
This needs to be moved to Epic 4G Touch General.
stargaterules said:
If you follow the link and loon at the site, you will notice that epic touch is not on the list...yet. So, not sure why the post.
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look harder
stargaterules said:
If you follow the link and loon at the site, you will notice that epic touch is not on the list...yet. So, not sure why the post.
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Our epic touch is in the list
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lafester said:
I think it should stay in dev.
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If the actual creators of it posted it then yes it should. However, there are still issues with it and the first few posts would do nothing but confuse people who see it for the first time. It should be closed or moved until an actual dev or someone who knows what they're doing can provide some support as an OP.
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xSaint21 said:
I'm waiting until they patch the problem .. I'm done my chores ... i already loaded up the dishwasher or "making love" as she calls it...
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I can't wait for it to be patched. I tried it last night before the issues were reported and got stuck on the samsung splash screen. I knew I should've waited lol.
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Rounsy222 said:
Our epic touch is in the list
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this shouldn't be in the dev forum unless it's the person who made it, but I don't understand, is this working? it says no issues in that link, but everyone says it's broken?
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I'm stickin with what works. CWM/ROGUE/ACS. Why tempt the brick.
Indrid Cole said:
I'm stickin with what works. CWM/ROGUE/ACS. Why tempt the brick.
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I'm with this. While I like the look of TWRP I think till the bugs are worked out I'll be sticking with what actually has been working for me and not causing any issues. The last thing I need is a bricked phone before I leave for a 2 week trip tomorrow.
xSaint21 said:
I'm waiting until they patch the problem .. I'm done my chores ... i already loaded up the dishwasher or "making love" as she calls it...
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Dude I loved ur post on "why ICS" now this.LMFAO.
spitefulrain said:
this shouldn't be in the dev forum unless it's the person who made it, but I don't understand, is this working? it says no issues in that link, but everyone says it's broken?
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There are issues with it. Look at this thread so see what has happened after an attempt of installing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343382
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Anybody try to pack the recovery with a kernel to see if that works?
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@jaybizza Had you read through the thread (and the comments on the site) you would've noticed what I and others have wrote about it. Yes, the OP is an idiot for just posting it and not knowing what he was doing. The issues are being worked on.
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If you would have read the thread or the other thread you would have known it wasn't working.
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I SEE THAT NOW!! I read the O.P and issues were listed as none!! Made the mistake of trusting O.P!!! THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE UP HERE IN THE 1ST PLACE...IM FU$%ING PISSED OFF!! I WOULDN'T DO THIS TO MY FELLOW MEMBERS SO I JUST WOULD NEVER EXPECT IT DONE TO US!!

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