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or for offical specs here
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
Shame about the processor....
It´s almost the same as my 2005 Universal....
Anyway it´s something to consider!
udgn said:
TouchPro2 no Flash.
Just Stick to your TouchPro:
1. NO CAMERA FLASH:
To HTC... Accept the fact that we end-up relying to the phones
camera; Who wants to go to a PARTY!!! WhooooWho!!, Activity or
to anywhere.... ohhh! wait [email protected]*# WITH a Camera and a phone (2
devices to carry with).... VEEERY UNCOMFORTABLE it is, NO PARTY
WILL BE.
2. DON'T FALL FOR IT: Thinnnk!
They did this:
- Removed the TILT capabilities from the TouhPro, and added Flash (a mayor for decent pics).
- Removed the FLASH from TP2, and leaved same camera 3.2.
- Infra RED from tilt, ETC, ETC, ETC.
Whyyyy???? THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE....BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO
BUY THE TP2, or in other words FORCED US to UPGRADE.
It is ALL well planed.
Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and
the more stylish design IMO (None of them are reason for
upgrade), the only thing worth for an upgrade is the
integration and usability of the TouchFlo 3D that integrates
with the OS and overall apps "PEOPLE CENTRIC", VERY GOOD, and will help you avoid 3rd parties Apps.
but......
.... Thank GOD, Angels, and whoever you believe in, that
XDA-Developers exist, BECAUSE I will just STICK with my
TouchPRO and will Integrate the TP2 Software into my
device, until TP3, TP4 or until they stop playing or RUN
OUT of OPTIONS to MUCK US.
For those with a TILT... Just upgrade to TouchPRO, is worth it. It have same Procesor and Memory, and you will get it in a VERY GOOD PRICE.
For those with a TouchPRO ..... Stick with it and support XDA-Developers, and just modified it as YOU like it.
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OK just to let you know if you're comming from a tilt you DIDN'T have infrared or flash to begin with so they won't really be missed. I also want to point out that they are not needed. Tilt and Touch Pro are marketed as Business phones where you want to focus on texting and connection rather than "flashy" things like Pictures. that's why the Diamond 2 (the consumer version) has a much better camera.
Also, wtf is with "Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and...None of them are reason for upgrade"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Screen size is a major reason in upgrading. Like you said most of it's new M3D features will most likely be ported later but you can't port a screen's size and resolution also Dual speakers?? I don't even use my phone like a phone anymore I either have it on speaker or BT how can you say that doesn't matter. The Dual Mic. thing will only be cool if it works. Anyway that was my rant for the day....
I don't get all the negative vibes in the Rhodium forum?
So I have the device. Sitting right in front me at this moment. I also have the Touch Pro. I'd definately pick the Rhodium, you just have to see the screen to understand. It looks like it could eat an iPhone for breakfast. The back lighting under the keys is just wicked cool... all the keys are translucent on the sides but not on the top and the white led's light up the whole thing. Its fantastic.
I'll attach a panaromic shot I did of my very dim light kitchen. It came out incrediably.
Ahhh! Whatt? Think again, Think twice.
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OK just to let you know if you're comming from a tilt you DIDN'T have infrared or flash to begin with so they won't really be missed. I also want to point out that they are not needed. Tilt and Touch Pro are marketed as Business phones where you want to focus on texting and connection rather than "flashy" things like Pictures. that's why the Diamond 2 (the consumer version) has a much better camera.
Also, wtf is with "Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and...None of them are reason for upgrade"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Screen size is a major reason in upgrading. Like you said most of it's new M3D features will most likely be ported later but you can't port a screen's size and resolution also Dual speakers?? I don't even use my phone like a phone anymore I either have it on speaker or BT how can you say that doesn't matter. The Dual Mic. thing will only be cool if it works. Anyway that was my rant for the day....
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Just to appoint that they eliminated or "EXCLUDED" the IR from the tilt, REMEMBER 8525 HAD IT, then TILT did not, so there you have REMOVED.
Now in your favor it is OBVIOUS that the dual mic/speaker, screen etc. and everything they improved or redesigned is amazing.
NOW for the part of the FLASH and Infrared NOT BEING a business tool..... YOU ARE WROOOONG.
And I'll explain why; let's just say I was waiting for a shipment of CONTAINER with merchandise and most of it arrived damaged, A CAMERA IS NEEDED.
let's just say you are in a meeting low level light in the place and someone came with the idea of taking some pictures, you don't want to look like an idiot struggling with the stupid phone trying over and over to get the best shot, DON"T YOU THINK YOU NEED A FLASH? I'll answer that for you a MAAAAAAJOR YES.
JUST READ WHAT I posted again, and while you read, pay more attention to the essence, and if for some reason, I ate up words just because I'm a busy business man, and do not have time to eleborate, just focus, so you can get it right.
AND I WON'T continue giving examples of business situations where you would kill for a phone with a flash, or with IR because I won't be able to finish. OBviously your experience in BUSINESS is SHORT, by the look of your comments. YOU SOUND like a very and loved GOOD friend of mine, that his father spoiled all his life, and because of that he dares to say that the Iphone is a business phone too, JAAA!! I'm sorry for him.
Again your points of the upgrades they made are tempting me, and I would love to go through my docs and edit my contracts from that BIG screen, and also while business flight being able to watch a movie. But I just put everything up together in my mind, and still I won't buy a TP2 if they do not release it with a CAMERA FLASH. It's just not enough.
The WORST of ALL is KNOWING they are doing it on PURPOSE and BET YOUR LIFE they will next release a TouchPro 3 with the flash and even with an IR (so you can even use your phone as a remote, AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS APPLICATIONS)
I think I explained my reasons in my previous post. That by the way I copied paste it everywhere without knowing I was violating the rules of the FORUM, so I'm really sorry, won't happen again.
Just can't stand HTC playing with everyone's heads.
Believe me never flashed a phone but if I have to in order to have my Fuze with the same productivity APPs in TP2, I WILL this TIME.
XDA will help me in the process.
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Just to appoint that they eliminated or "EXCLUDED" the IR from the tilt, REMEMBER 8525 HAD IT, then TILT did not, so there you have REMOVED.
Now in your favor it is OBVIOUS that the dual mic/speaker, screen etc. and everything they improved or redesigned is amazing.
NOW for the part of the FLASH and Infrared NOT BEING a business tool..... YOU ARE WROOOONG.
And I'll explain why; let's just say I was waiting for a shipment of CONTAINER with merchandise and most of it arrived damaged, A CAMERA IS NEEDED.
let's just say you are in a meeting low level light in the place and someone came with the idea of taking some pictures, you don't want to look like an idiot struggling with the stupid phone trying over and over to get the best shot, DON"T YOU THINK YOU NEED A FLASH? I'll answer that for you a MAAAAAAJOR YES.
JUST READ WHAT I posted again, and while you read, pay more attention to the essence, and if for some reason, I ate up words just because I'm a busy business man, and do not have time to eleborate, just focus, so you can get it right.
AND I WON'T continue giving examples of business situations where you would kill for a phone with a flash, or with IR because I won't be able to finish. OBviously your experience in BUSINESS is SHORT, by the look of your comments. YOU SOUND like a very and loved GOOD friend of mine, that his father spoiled all his life, and because of that he dares to say that the Iphone is a business phone too, JAAA!! I'm sorry for him.
Again your points of the upgrades they made are tempting me, and I would love to go through my docs and edit my contracts from that BIG screen, and also while business flight being able to watch a movie. But I just put everything up together in my mind, and still I won't buy a TP2 if they do not release it with a CAMERA FLASH. It's just not enough.
The WORST of ALL is KNOWING they are doing it on PURPOSE and BET YOUR LIFE they will next release a TouchPro 3 with the flash and even with an IR (so you can even use your phone as a remote, AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS APPLICATIONS)
I think I explained my reasons in my previous post. That by the way I copied paste it everywhere without knowing I was violating the rules of the FORUM, so I'm really sorry, won't happen again.
Just can't stand HTC playing with everyone's heads.
Believe me never flashed a phone but if I have to in order to have my Fuze with the same productivity APPs in TP2, I WILL this TIME.
XDA will help me in the process.
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Wow, I have a couple things to say about that.
1. I was raised by a single mother and very NOT spoiled having to also take care of my younger bro. growing up...oh, what's a father??
2. Anyway you are still missing what I'm saying I'm not saying flash and IR are useless I'm saying if you are going from a TILT to a touch pro2 you won’t' miss a feature that you never had. Yes they removed it and it's probably because IR is old tech and flash is still considered consumer. Yes you can go on about how you can use it BUT the fact of the matter is that's what they consider it as. I'm not saying ME but HTC decided that. And the evidence is in their phones.
Next time you want to slam my knowledge of business actually read what I said (even though you said you read it twice) not once did I say that "People don't need this" or "People don't need that" I said "marketed" HTC has a way they market their phones whether you like it or not, it's just how they work. Also don't ever mention an Iphone to me. I hate apple with a passion
Guys Take It Easy
I hear both sides of the argument and I must say that both you guys make valid points.
As a user of a Tilt, I must say I hate the fact that it does not have flash. The example of the damaged goods is a usual for me. And when it comes down to the business sense. I consider myself productive when I can take the pictures on my phone, directly e-mail it to the people responsible then wait 5 minutes, call and make noise right on site. But thats just me.
I love all the new features of the TP2. Trust me, from the big screen to the dual mic to the dual speakers, the M3D interface, and the illuminated keyboard. Whereas I'll continue to miss the flash, I'mma jump on this thing first chance I get. In terms of the IR, I mean this is aging technology. BT is taking over and it is equipped on this phone so I see no reason why they should not have removed it.
I don't know why HTC adds or removes certain things. I guess that its because they have a range of phones for different purposes and targeting different audiences. Hopefully one day will come when we can custom build our phone. Until that time, I think HTC is on track to making better built phones everytime.
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I hear both sides of the argument and I must say that both you guys make valid points.
As a user of a Tilt, I must say I hate the fact that it does not have flash. The example of the damaged goods is a usual for me. And when it comes down to the business sense. I consider myself productive when I can take the pictures on my phone, directly e-mail it to the people responsible then wait 5 minutes, call and make noise right on site. But thats just me.
I love all the new features of the TP2. Trust me, from the big screen to the dual mic to the dual speakers, the M3D interface, and the illuminated keyboard. Whereas I'll continue to miss the flash, I'mma jump on this thing first chance I get. In terms of the IR, I mean this is aging technology. BT is taking over and it is equipped on this phone so I see no reason why they should not have removed it.
I don't know why HTC adds or removes certain things. I guess that its because they have a range of phones for different purposes and targeting different audiences. Hopefully one day will come when we can custom build our phone. Until that time, I think HTC is on track to making better built phones everytime.
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from what I understand all the different radios like, wifi, BT, IR, 3g, etc...take up physical space in the phone and you can only make the phone so big. I'm sure HTC has a priority system on what they should have on the phone and it probably goes something like 3G, BT, Wifi, then IR and I think they only put IR if they possibly can and I'm sure a led light is lower than that. but I would like to see IR and a flash there are some pretty cool things that can be dones especially with an IR port.
the spec says the Rhodium has the qualcomm MSM 7200A CPU. The Rhodium phone I have got has a MSM 7600 CPU, handles both CDMA and GSM
kluks said:
the spec says the Rhodium has the qualcomm MSM 7200A CPU. The Rhodium phone I have got has a MSM 7600 CPU, handles both CDMA and GSM
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where did you get it?? Also what bands does it support.
let me get this right.
this phone doesnt have a flash?
a dated processer too? is the processor better than the TP?
i agree stick with touch pro the next device i go for is not the tp2 i know now...Maybe a shift ...
The lamest of them all
Ok so I will add my 2 cents, I had the Tilt and when I found out about the Touch HD, i couldnt wait to get my hands on it. I did, i like it and i have it but miss my keyboard dearly. The touch keypad is nice but its not like having physical keys.
I have had my touch HD for about 3 months and plan on putting it up on Ebay, keeping my Tilt and selling it on Ebay once the Touch Pro 2 comes out and getting it. I know the processor is smaller which is ALMOST a deal breaker, i dont have a flash on my camera now and dont really care but going down to a 3.15 meg cam from a 5 kinda sucks too but whatever. I like a keypad, "Gimme da keeeeys ill drive!!!"
Also how much slow down do you think i can expect coming from the 7201 processor to the 7200? Doenst seem like it would be much of a difference. Not a deal breaker thats for sure. The camera issue sucks but whatever im not big on pics really. Can someone tell me the diff between WAP 2.0/xHTML, and just HTML? Deal breaker? I know the HD is a much better phone but i really miss typing with keys
johseph said:
Can someone tell me the diff between WAP 2.0/xHTML, and just HTML?
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WAP is the mobile view of internet and HTML is the standard (barely) for internet for PC. However that shouldn't matter to you since we have Opera Mobile and that runs most everything pretty well.
HI,
Do you know what VGA-Out (or XVGA) resolution have-it?
daphix said:
HI,
Do you know what VGA-Out (or XVGA) resolution have-it?
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Read the link posted in first post.
Or click device database at the top of the forum.
Dave
Grrr, I wish it had an 800Mhz Snapdragon Processor, or even one that isn't Qualcomm . . .
just giving my own opinion here
first of all i own the touch pro..
honestly i couldnt care less that the TP2 has no flash. Looking at the TP1 it has a crappy flash to begin with..wanna take a pic at night?i suggest you start praying they COULD put a better flash on it but i dont see the use for it..HTC Phones are not known for their camera quality anyway...
As about the TP2 being worth it..PERSONALLY i say hell yes..I find the bigger screen a HUGE benefit as compared to the TP1..Thats along with other small benefits of course..I use TF3D2 on my touch pro now andits great..but it surely is a different feeling when you use it on a bigger screen
too bad my contract will last an extra year so i cant make the jump now
Sprint TP2 Worldphone?
Somwhere I have seen that Sprint would release the TP2 as Worldphone. Means with CDMA and GSM radios. Somebody out there who can give thoughts on this? Oh, got it http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1792 .
Seeing an iPhone 4 of a friends the other day next to his 3g was quite funny. The so called amazing resolution screen just looked brighter, more colourful and a tiny bit sharper.
It's funny, before I got my Desire I had an iPhone 3g and I was amazed by it once it got updated to 3.0 firmware. Once jailbroke I could customize the way it looked immensely which is something that a lot of people who use these forums say you can't do. Anyway, my contract was up and being impatient I couldn't hold on for the iPhone 4.0. I'll be honest, I really wanted it but a release date wasn't announced. So I went for the Desire. First thoughts we're, great phone, brilliant screen, very fast, widgets are pretty cool, easy to use, coming from iPhone. Then after a few weeks of enjoying it, the iPhone 4 release date was announced. Then I wanted an iPhone again it looked amazing, all the hype was mental. But I just signed a new contract so there was no way of me getting one. My friend had ordered one and it arrived the other day at work. I didn't get to use it but from what I saw, its not much different visually (display) from the iPhone 3g and its practically the same as the 3g, apart from the cameras,speed,multitasking and obviously a few more things.
So basically what I'm trying to say is. It's no way near as good as the Desire, to use and to look at as far as I'm concerned. Seriously the Desire is a way better phone. The camera doesn't matter its good enough and multitasking on the iPhone is just the worst thing I've ever seen its really poor just the way it actually works. It's terrible.
Not much of a review but just something to stop the arguing and give advice when deciding what phone you want. That's if your choosing out of these two.
p.s
I typed this in landscape on my desire with no problems at all. :
Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped.
Android FTW
sbdags said:
Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped.
Android FTW
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Yeah, I heard about that as wyell. its something to do with the metal surrounding on the iPhone is the antenna. Haha. Unfortunately my Desire doesn't have a metal surrounding.
;-)
Just been playing with my dads iphone 4 , and laughed at apples version of multitasking!
Played angry birds, then went into calender and back again, to see the game started all again!
So i just had to do it with another game on my phone, to show how proper multi tasking works! Straight back into the game where i left off !
Have a laugh.....a good one
Link: http://vimeo.com/12858526
Haha! brilliant!
http://www.blogcdn.com/chinese.engadget.com/media/2010/06/untitled24.png
LOL
Fanboyism aside, the iPhone 4 does bring some awesome things to the table, like an amazing camera & camcorder and.. well, that's it. Still, it beats any Android smartphone in that department, hands down.
This chap claims not to have noticed the signal drop whilst he is making calls......
a phone primary function is to make calls ... got to hold your iphone4 in the right way so that you can make calls ... now that is another revolution to the mobile industry
Well, actually, for pictures, the Desire's camera is just as good. Yeah Apple wants to make you believe they have something special, but they really don't. It's just a 5 megapixel camera like everyone else uses (except for the 8 megapixel ones in some other Androids).
I've looked at lots and lots of pictures of both phones, including direct comparison shots, and the Desire's camera is actually the exact same (for pictures, not video).
The software handles some things differently, like the sharpening (I recommend everyone to set sharpness to +1 on the Desire), the pictures look a bit less washed but also lack more detail. But those are just small differences caused by different software and the iPhone certainly doesn't do it better (just a bit differently).
What I actually wanted to say, I HATE when Apple gets credit for doing what others have done for years, like 5 megapixel cameras and video calling. And most of the time, they're not even doing it better and often they're doing it worse (like multitasking or that antenna design, which has been invented by HTC and actually works with HTC phones, without dropping calls).
I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.
I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
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I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.
I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
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Welcome to the world of Android Elf... it's a great place to live
I don't want to be a jerk or attack anyone, but there is some stuff in this thread that I just need to comment on.
I am surrounded by relatively smart people. Many psychologists also. What the original poster is doing is the following: you don't want to feel bad about your purchase (the Desire) so you blindly attack the iPhone 4. I am NOT saying the HTC Desire is bad. But I am pretty sure that what you are doing here is trying to make fun of the iPhone 4 to make yourself feel better about the Desire.
I did this as well. I bought the HTC HD2 just before the Nexus One was announced and I was like: 'aaah... the HD2 is much better. That Android is almost the same as WM. Aaah.. I don't need amoled screens..' etc. All just to hide the fact that I maybe should have waited an bought the Nexus One.
Anyway, what you are saying is not true. The iPhone 4 is pretty good. In fact, if I could trade my HTC Desire for a iPhone 4 I would do it. And I absolutely love the Desire. But I don't fool myself, I know that the iPhone 4 is better. Let me just give you a few examples:
Appstore. Biggest and best on the iPhone. Facebook is the best on the iPhone. Shazam is the best on the iPhone. Every app is usually the best on the iPhone. Developers see the iPhone as their number one, which is very important.
Games. I choose to wright a separate part about this even though it could have fitted with Appstore. You want games on your phone? Then iPhone 4 is without doubt the BEST choice. Highest resolution display + A4 chip (1GHz) + Gyroscope (or whatever that is called. Check out what the Gyroscope does.. its very nice for games). And off course the best titles. The Android Market fails in the games category compared to the Apple Appstore.
Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It's only 5 megapixels, but it takes very good pictures. And the HD recording is again, the best out there. At a smooth 30fps with great adios quality its top notch. With iMovie you can even edit all that stuff on your iPhone..
Build quality. Even though I have not held the new iPhone myself, every review goes the same. The build quality is unbelievable. It will make almost any smartphone to date feel cheap. And I can understand that.. it just looks and feels amazing. At 9.3mm thin it's just a very good looking phone.
Facetime. Now I suddenly realised something a few days ago. This may sound dramatic but try to take it seriously. Apple is helping humankind to the next step. Why? Soon many, many people (normal people, kids, grandparents, mothers, everybody) will go from voice calling to video calling. And yes its because of the iPhone 4. They just make it easy to use and it works well. Try to be totally honest with yourself and think about this. It's true. Videocalling may have existed, but it was crap. That's why it never reached the mainstream.
Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks.
So.. I know it is hard but try to be honest regarding these things. Yes I have a Desire myself and no I won't be able to buy that new iPhone for at least a year (and by then, the next one should come out). But I am honest regarding those things.
Oh, and the dude trying to attack the iPhone on the 'bad multitasking'. Angry birds (one of my favorite games ever! ) has probably not been updated to multitasking yet. Remember, the developers must update their apps to work. So again, its a bad argument against the iPhone. Though I won't disagree with the fact that if you want the ultimate multitasking, you are better off with the Desire.
Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
Come on...
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I don't want to be a jerk or attack anyone, but there is some stuff in this thread that I just need to comment on.
I am surrounded by relatively smart people. Many psychologists also. What the original poster is doing is the following: you don't want to feel bad about your purchase (the Desire) so you blindly attack the iPhone 4. I am NOT saying the HTC Desire is bad. But I am pretty sure that what you are doing here is trying to make fun of the iPhone 4 to make yourself feel better about the Desire.
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Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
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Now I have not posted in this thread, but really.. Come on...
Why do you think that the people you surround yourself with, describes or adds something to you or your arguments? In this case, I could claim that you could be inside a mental asylum (for being surrounded with psychologists) .
But seriously, "blindly attack"? Where have you been? Its been proved on many iPhones that you can't even hold the iPhone 4 properly without losing your network-connection. The multi-tasking is horrible according to reviewers and other people that tested it. And Steve Jobs email is frakking horrific, but not unexpected.
Since when is this blind attacks? Sure the phone-build, camera, and some software is great, but still no other device would be spared ridicule if the errors is as great as the iPhone 4's. It will be scrutinized and by all means, it deserves the ridicule it to this point have (not)received, lol.
UPDATE: Just for the lolz http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4...-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band?skyline=true&s=i
Best camera on any phone???
U must be smoking something there ha ha ha
Have you even seen pix from some of the 8MP camera fones out there, not to mention 12MP fones around the corner.
Yes Apple have more apps then Android, that dont mean they all better.
Games are the ONLY advantage apple has.
The build quality may also be good BUT whats the point when the main function of a MOBILE PHONE which is to make phone calls goes away when you hold your phone a certain way.
I mean come on, your paying £500 for your IPhone 4, you should not be TOLD how to hold it in order to make phone calls. You should be able to hold it how u like and still not loose signal like all other phones out there.
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Anyway, what you are saying is not true. The iPhone 4 is pretty good.
Appstore. How long has iPhone appstore been.out compared to android market?
Games. Correct games are better on iphone 4 but a couple hours of gaming and bye bye battery. That's why they made the ps3. And there isn't a noticeable difference in display quality against the Desire I've looked at both together and there equally as good, what ever it says on paper.
Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It seriously isn't one of the best. Picture quality is same as Desire if not a tiny bit better. You win on video recording but I think in future the Desire will perform the same after an update. I'm sure with the hardware its got it can eventually record at 720p 30fps. You'll see.
Build quality. I agree apple always have an excellent build quality and that's where you're wallet gets emptied.
Facetime. Trust me your not gonna use this. U might at first but eventually you wont. I mean come on how gay is video calling. Hearing a voice is suffice.
Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks. Wrong my friend's last about the same as desire according to him. He has both phones.
So.. I know it is hard but try to be honest regarding these things. Yes I have a Desire myself and no I won't be able to buy that new iPhone for at least a year (and by then, the next one should come out). But I am honest regarding those things.
"I can't believe you're arguing when it sounds like u haven't even used the iphone 4."
Oh, and the dude trying to attack the iPhone on the 'bad multitasking'. I won't disagree with the fact that if you want the ultimate multitasking, you are better off with the Desire
"That makes more sense"
Conclusion: Stop sticking up for apple when you haven't even used an iphone 4. I have and it is certainly not overall better.
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"Be a grown up" gayest insult of the year award.
I wont quote you one the beginning, I would only say that is not true (that we say Desire is better because we bought it).
I didn't get Desire on contract, I paid it in cash. That means I had the money to buy any phone I like (overall anyone, when we take the fact that I paid for the Desire 500 euro). I knew exactly why I want the Desire. I knew it's features, it's positive and negative sides. I liked the look of Sense (instead of jailbreaking my phone just so I can change my wallpaper, this happen in previous models of iPhone), I liked the OS and it's openness, and I liked it's look. In fact, I liked everything about Desire, and I think that this will be the phone I will have for longest (in case it doesn't break). I know this because with my previous phones, I lost the will to play with them after 3-4 days after purchase. With the Desire is completely different: my work is suffering because I keep doing something on it all the time, and I have it for 3 weeks
I mean, there are so many thing to do with it, sky is the limit (and the knowledge of members here, which I believe is wide and big as the sky).
Anyway, lets go back to some points you made with which I completely disagree (okay, my whole post is disagreement with yours, but still )
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Appstore. Biggest and best on the iPhone. Facebook is the best on the iPhone. Shazam is the best on the iPhone. Every app is usually the best on the iPhone. Developers see the iPhone as their number one, which is very important.
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That CAN (and will, I guess) change. On the Google IO, google announced 50.000 apps on the market. When was that, a month ago? Today there are over 65.000. That is 15.000 apps in a month. At this rate, there will be 150.000 more apps in the Market in the next 10 months.
But, I hope and expect this rate to change when I'll take in mind how fast people (developers) are turning toward Android.
Don't make me start at the attitude of Apple toward developers.
By the way, developers develop for public. If there are users of Android more then of iOS, they will start developing for Android. Sc**w that fine program if nobody uses it. So their primary motive to do something is "how many people will use their app?".
Apple has more apps, but I bet that will change. In 2 years, there were 50.000 apps in the market. BUT, in just 1 month, there were 15.000 more. Just one month, read that carefully. That shows to me that something is drastically changing.
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Games. I choose to wright a separate part about this even though it could have fitted with Appstore. You want games on your phone? Then iPhone 4 is without doubt the BEST choice. Highest resolution display + A4 chip (1GHz) + Gyroscope (or whatever that is called. Check out what the Gyroscope does.. its very nice for games). And off course the best titles. The Android Market fails in the games category compared to the Apple Appstore.
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My same reply from above goes to the games. I will only add something here: At CPU side they may be the same (although there are comments that apple have underclocked the iPhone CPU at something like 700MHz... and we have OVERclocked ours at 1.2GHz ).
Concerning the resolution... it's not that of a big deal. The screen is smaller then of Desire, so that makes the resolution lose. Unless you watch your iPhone 4 display with microscope, then you would notice the more pixels on the iPhone. Otherwise, the naked eye doesn't need more pixels on such small space.
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Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It's only 5 megapixels, but it takes very good pictures. And the HD recording is again, the best out there. At a smooth 30fps with great adios quality its top notch. With iMovie you can even edit all that stuff on your iPhone..
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I have never (ever, trust me) chosen a phone because of it's camera, so I am lost here. I don't know who takes better pictures or videos.
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Build quality. Even though I have not held the new iPhone myself, every review goes the same. The build quality is unbelievable. It will make almost any smartphone to date feel cheap. And I can understand that.. it just looks and feels amazing. At 9.3mm thin it's just a very good looking phone.
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Probably, I can only guess. But what about that same build breaking easy and that same build causing such a big issue with network connectivity?
It's not just build something. Are you aware that in order for you to have decent connectivity, you will have to cover your nice looking iPhone? What's the point?
When we talk abous build quality, we have to take the strength (which sucks, on the second drop the screen dies, on the forth drop the glass is broken) and the looks (which again sucks, because the network sucks if you don't cover it with rubber, and if you do that, it's not good looking anymore).
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Facetime.
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I don't even want to start about this. I will only say: if those grandparents, parents, children... wanted to see eachother, why didn't they use video calls over 3G? That technology exists for over 5 years, and I have never used it (except for one time, to test with a friend what does it do in fact). Or Fring? Or whatever other app that exists there for video calls?
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Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks.
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If you look at both phones specs (I have), you will notice that on paper they have VERY similar battery specs. And still, your opinion about the Desire battery life comes from experience, but for the iPhone comes from reading? That is rather unfair :/
Just lets wait and see how iPhone will do in real life situations. My wife charge her iPhone 3GS twice in a day. She has to, her battery goes flat at noon. My battery lasts 2 days, with very big usage (I said above, I can't put my Desire of my hands). iWin
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Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
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I agree, and I would add: and share your experiences and thoughts. That is why forums are made.
EDIT: Wow, this post is so long now ))
Surely face time isn't a winner with it only being on wifi I've had nokia n97 and samsung Omnia both had forward facing cameras i used then both zero times, ok grannies wanting to see grandchilden i get that but i sure as hell don't want to see your ugly mug or the wifes... or my mates.. ok if your away for a while it would be nice to see the face of a family but iphone4 only? and wifi only?...
More megapixels don't make a nice photo, the lense and sensor are probably more important, i would find it hard to believe that the iphone4 isn't better in this catagory, low light shots with the desire are super grainy and striped = bad sensor.
Iphone4 looks very nice right up until you touch it then it's lovely lux black look is greasy finger tastic!
edit: so you have to hold it around the edge... oh wait!
I just have to say a few things in reply to XDA Mark... Psychologists aside :]
Appstore: Really??? Have you taken a look at the quality of apps in there? 80% are duplicates of other apps, 10% are original in their design and 10% are games. Coming from an iPod Touch 2g, I have to say i found all the apps that I need to be productive on a phone in 1% of the time it took me to find them on the ipod just because i didn't have to sift through 1 gazillion useless knock-offs. And then i found some more!
Whoever said MORE apps means BETTER apps??? Yes, there are lots of awesome apps in Appstore but i have not found anything that apps in Android Market can't do and can't do better! And widgets - oh, "non-denominational super-being", I love widgets.
Build quality: Sorry, but after a certain point this is subjective! And you haven't even held it yourself! I find my Desire to have a superb build quality - try to disprove that.
Games: What are we - 12? Do we need silly little 3D games on a 3.4inch screen. That's just laughable. Whoever thought gaming without physical buttons is kewl?! With the current state of haptic feedback this is the most inorganic and crappy method of control. My thumbs take about 35% of the screen of a 3.4inch ipod touch - good luck trying to play like that. My point is - games matter for iPad/tablets. For a phone - i am content with tower defense and sudoku! For Mass Effect 2 I have my HD 5870 and an overclocked i7-920 at home thank you very much.
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Hey there Desire users!
I just want to ask you all,
1) what do you think of the phone?
2) Would you recommend it?
3) What are the biggest problems you've had? Any fixes?
4) Is there lag at anytime that you think there shouldn't be?
5) What's the web experience like?
6) And probably most important for me, what's the SMS experience like? (can i please have a screenshot of that? )
Sorry for so many questions but I wanna know if the phone will be worth getting.
Thanks,
Luke.
Buddy!
Alright, I'll share my desire experience here.
To be honest man, that very night before I actually made up my mind to sign up for the desire, I searched up the entire net about opinions.
But reading the review and getting the phone itself, that's really two different aspects of the phone you'll get.
The sms functions are flexible this time round due to the wide screen the desire has, unlike my old HTC touch diamond 2, I had such a hard time using it for smses!
And for the rest of the bugs I wouldn't say there's none. But since the days I've started using, the bugs are more or less either not obvious, or not annoying. Cause as a previous iPhone user, bugs there are much more obvious and annoying.
Lastly I guess i'll give the desire a 8/10 as a phone due to the not 2.2 android software that we have, which I hope will be updated soon, and also due to the fact that applications cannot be stored on.SD cards.
However if you wish to root your desire then its a whole different story..
The HTC sense is really awesome. That's the trump.card of the phone, as it really upholds the name of a smartphone.
Wish you all the best,
Pardon me for the vocabulary here.
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I love mine, had it 4 days
bought it SIM free never been near a carriers branding team.
£399.95 from a CarPhoneWarehouse shop, zero issues, much better than my iPhone 3gs.
1. It's awesome. Especially if you're coming from Windows Mobile. Check out my review. Would also suggest you look at other reviews of the device. There's a sticky thread in the Desire General section for reviews. You may also want to see this!
2. Hell yes!
3. Check out my stickied thread in the Desire General forum. Keep in mind that none of those items really get in the way. Many of them are simply a result of our own high expectations. Everything that the device is advertised for works very well.
4. I can see why you're asking this because in WinMo, the OS often lags for no apparent reason at random times. This doesn't happen on the Desire. It only lags sometimes when you shut down. It's odd. But if you don't shutdown, it's fine. And if you just want to softreset, just use the hardware key combination (power+vol down+trackpad).
5. Web experience is arguably the best across all smartphone platforms. Versus WinMo, there's no comparison in terms of speed and stability. Versus iOS, it's just as fast plus you get full screen browsing along with text reflow. Tip: Turn off Javascript and Flash to really speed things up.
6. SMS looks and behaves very similar to the HTC Messaging application included with Sense 2.5 for WinMo. But as you might know, it lags in WinMo to the point where it's almost unusable. No lag in Android on Desire. Soft keyboard is among the best.
If you want to see the device in action, Youtube is your friend...
Oh wow, I really didn't expect so many replies so quickly.
Well thank you all for your input you've pretty much confirmed what i thought, this phone is awesome. I'll be getting it for my birthday so I shall now await that day with great eagerness!!
From the videos of the phone I have seen it looks like a truely awesome phone.
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However if you wish to root your desire then its a whole different story..
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Yes I am willing to root the phone straight off, maybe a day or two after I get it... I've already read up on it and it doesn't seem to be something straightforward but not impossible for me to do.
Thanks again for input everyone. I shall definitely be getting this phone (if money agrees as it'll be unlocked then my current sim used).
One more question, I heard about the 2.2 release having 10.1 flash support... What sort of flash support does the current 2.1 have?
Luke.
It have only a flash lite version that is able to play videos not very smoothly.
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hey there, i´m looking for a new smartphone and since i don´t want spend like 450 euro for a phone (that i don´t like for a 100% - i´m very picky....). i tried the galaxy s2 (kinda HATE the big home button, very cheap battery cover) and the sensation (lousy internal memory, very low "loud"speaker, wifi issues, and so on), again unfortunately i´m VERY picky.......
anyway, i stumbled over the win 7 phones which are at a very low price at the moment and the Optimus 7 is the one with the lowest price.
so i´m asking you if this device is good enough to spend some time with until new flagships (new android or maybe the galaxy s2 wp7) come out or does it have BIG known issues???
and could you tell me your results with the camera since i read somewhere that it isn´t THAT good....
thx!
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the LG optimus 7 is available for like 160 euro and the next step ahead would be the omnia 7 for 213 euro.
specially when i see THIS video, i´m not too sure anymore, which one to pick
no matter which one u pick u will love wp7 especially with the mango beta out. the Omnia has an AMOLED screen and people swear that it's the **** so if that matters to u than I would go for that otherwise go for the optimus 7
I came from Android to WP7 and love it. If you pick one up now, the specs might not look incredible, but everything just WORKS. I've been running the Mango beta, and I can't go back to NoDo now.
I love my HD7 & WP7. There are some design changes I'd like to see, but nothing deal breaking. What'd I suggest though, is to go to your local retailer & play with it in person & make your own choice/decision. everyone has their own tastes, so it's best to play with one yourself & make up your own mind rather then follow the opinion of others. For me, the biggest thing is that WP7 is very fast & smooth. The integration is also awesome. mango will only make things better. This being said, if you are big into hacking/customizing your device, WP7 is lacking in that area. Especially after Mango because of the INTEROPSERVICES block that has broken almost all homebrew apps (registry editor/etc.)
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hey there, i´m looking for a new smartphone and since i don´t want spend like 450 euro for a phone (that i don´t like for a 100% - i´m very picky....). i tried the galaxy s2 (kinda HATE the big home button, very cheap battery cover) and the sensation (lousy internal memory, very low "loud"speaker, wifi issues, and so on), again unfortunately i´m VERY picky.......
anyway, i stumbled over the win 7 phones which are at a very low price at the moment and the Optimus 7 is the one with the lowest price.
so i´m asking you if this device is good enough to spend some time with until new flagships (new android or maybe the galaxy s2 wp7) come out or does it have BIG known issues???
and could you tell me your results with the camera since i read somewhere that it isn´t THAT good....
thx!
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the LG optimus 7 is available for like 160 euro and the next step ahead would be the omnia 7 for 213 euro.
specially when i see THIS video, i´m not too sure anymore, which one to pick
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I would not recommend WP7 alltogether because of limitations it gives.
But if you're into it, and yes WP7 can be very saisfying in many areas,
I can say - having still my LG Optimus 7 - that it's a very very good phone itself.
I would never trust LG but this phone is really robust and well designed and was a complete surprise to me.
It has hardware keys which I find very comfortable, not allowing any accidental press,
back cover is top noch metal and the whole phone looks 100 times better than on any photo, quite classy but not too much. All the hardware keys are great too. The screen is sweet, audio quality very good.
But the Camera:
In daylight it's great. You can make great photos and videos.
The whole problem is in the night & dark... Well the colours are OK but basically in those conditions pics are complete ****. Just blurry and not sharp, as well as videos. TBH not many modern phone cameras work in these conditions anyway.
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I would not recommend WP7 alltogether because of limitations it gives.
But if you're into it, and yes WP7 can be very saisfying in many areas,
I can say - having still my LG Optimus 7 - that it's a very very good phone itself.
I would never trust LG but this phone is really robust and well designed and was a complete surprise to me.
It has hardware keys which I find very comfortable, not allowing any accidental press,
back cover is top noch metal and the whole phone looks 100 times better than on any photo, quite classy but not too much. All the hardware keys are great too. The screen is sweet, audio quality very good.
But the Camera:
In daylight it's great. You can make great photos and videos.
The whole problem is in the night & dark... Well the colours are OK but basically in those conditions pics are complete ****. Just blurry and not sharp, as well as videos. TBH not many modern phone cameras work in these conditions anyway.
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uhh yea stop spreading FUD naco he's looking for someone to help him purchase a wp7 device not for someone to deter him from purchasing a wp7!
If you're "VERY picky" then I wouldn't buy a Windows 7 phone.
Basically it's a *good* system, but it's clear from the lack of apps and the number of small niggles that it's an OS that is still maturing. I imagine Microsoft see this WP7 the same as the original Xbox; a way to get developers, phone carriers and hardware manufacturers on board, as well as iron out most technical issues, before the real battle; the launch of Windows Phone 8.
If you're the sort of person where just one little thing could ruin your enjoyment of the phone, then I'd probably recommend iOS (where everything pretty much just works as intended).
Oh and to answer your original question, yes I'm happy with my HTC Mozart, though there are a few frustrations with the system, and many apps that I miss.
extremely happy
If you find yourself only using 10-20 apps on other OS, odds are you will be perfectly happy with wp7. I think I have a total of 8 third party apps right now, I just don't need much that isn't already built into wp7.
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If you find yourself only using 10-20 apps on other OS, odds are you will be perfectly happy with wp7. I think I have a total of 8 third party apps right now, I just don't need much that isn't already built into wp7.
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exactly, and after mango there're gonna be much more built-in apps even if you'd like to use many apps, go right ahead, it won't slow down the OS (unlike android)
I would spend sometime playing with one in the shop and see what you think, I like my Ominia 7
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uhh yea stop spreading FUD naco he's looking for someone to help him purchase a wp7 device not for someone to deter him from purchasing a wp7!
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You're FUD as a whole. As I see you get many warnings on this forum.
Don't reply to me if possible.
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You're FUD as a whole. As I see you get many warnings on this forum.
Don't reply to me if possible.
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u stop posting bull**** I'll stop replying.
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u stop posting bull**** I'll stop replying.
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You keep replying. You don't even have the ability to understand what you read.
i have a HTC 7 Pro, and a Samsung Omnia 7.
Best Phones i've ever had.
Even Android Phones like Galaxy S (S II wasnt out back then), Nexus etc were simply bad after i used a WinPho7
Keep in mind that everyone has their own opinion, and this is mine.
I left android for a huge reason (one of the same reasons why I left winmo as well)
no matter how much a custom rom improved the experience, at little things, both OSes sucked at. I didn't want to buy apple because they are POS when you jailbreak them. That said, windows phone intrigued me after playing with it for a good 10 days. And when I had to go back to android or windows mobile, life was grim. I was bored with the constant rom flashing to get the device to work. even though miui was good for android and dutty was good for windows mobile, the experience overall was mediocre.
I am definitely enjoying windows phone and it gives me so much options
With Mango around the corner I can now recommend WP7 without hesitation as I know things like push notifications will be fixed soon. That's the only thing I don't like about WP7 along with some very poor Xbox Live games.
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I left android for a huge reason (one of the same reasons why I left winmo as well)
no matter how much a custom rom improved the experience, at little things, both OSes sucked at. I didn't want to buy apple because they are POS when you jailbreak them. That said, windows phone intrigued me after playing with it for a good 10 days. And when I had to go back to android or windows mobile, life was grim. I was bored with the constant rom flashing to get the device to work. even though miui was good for android and dutty was good for windows mobile, the experience overall was mediocre.
I am definitely enjoying windows phone and it gives me so much options
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thats a thing that bothers me, too....i already had a optimus speed for a couple of time and all i did was flashing a new rom again and again....
i already thought of an iphone too but since i already got a contract and have to buy the phone at the normal price, the iphone would be around 580 euro ;(
the perfect device would be a good out-of-the-box phone at a "normal" price where i don´t have to tweak everything myself
but thx for your answers
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thats a thing that bothers me, too....i already had a optimus speed for a couple of time and all i did was flashing a new rom again and again....
i already thought of an iphone too but since i already got a contract and have to buy the phone at the normal price, the iphone would be around 580 euro ;(
the perfect device would be a good out-of-the-box phone at a "normal" price where i don´t have to tweak everything myself
but thx for your answers
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sounds like wp7 may be just for you, its the best out of the box experience and there's no cluttered UI like ios or tiny (though admittedly clear) screen. wP7 never stops amazing me with all of its functionality.
indeed, it sounds pretty good to me
maybe i should wait till september?? i read somewhere that new phones will be released then and it´s my birthday too
To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
It's a nice feature to have (e.g. seeing gf/wife/kids while on the road, etc) but yeah many people don't need it.
However, it's a check-the-box kind of feature. When your main competitors in the iPhone and the Android superphones have it, you better damn well make sure your flagship Windows Phone has it
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To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
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I agree that it's a nice feature to have. It's a must for video calling, though.
it all comes down to features that are important to the end user, while i'm in the FFC is not all that important camp, there are others who might use it a lot on their current phone, or have a need and use for it, and to them, the loss of the FFC is a deal breaker.
the part that perplexes me is that the N9 has one, which makes the virtually identical 800 not having one irritating.
personally, i'm pretty let down by the 800, aside from the great industrial design, the rest of the phone seems pretty mediocre to me, but again, it's the stuff that the focus s and titan have that more fall into line with what i care about in my next phone which makes them better.
as far as why FFC could be a big deal, common reasons are long distance relationships (apple exploits the armed forces in their iphone4 ads, but it could also be people who travel a lot for business, in which a phone might be a more convenient way to see your loved ones when a laptop can be unweildly) the here and there instances when you need to show someone something, and a call or text won't do, etc.
It's not a big deal. I'm sure most people have complained about the screen size and storage, not the FFC. It's a case of ok if it's there, doesn't really matter if it's not.
Because some people what to video chat with loved ones, or it could be anybody really.
My last phone had one but I never used it. my new phone doesn't have one and I want one now and im not buying another phone without one now that most of my family has them
Just because its not important to you doesnt mean it isnt to other people and really I dont see why they took the ffc out to begin with, even HTC is adding them to their phones.
I think it's because people like to hold Microsoft to a higher standard. Apple and Google can mess up all they want but as soon as Microsoft does all the haters jump at it. The lack of FFC and dual core situation is no different.
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I think it's because people like to hold Microsoft to a higher standard. Apple and Google can mess up all they want but as soon as Microsoft does all the haters jump at it. The lack of FFC and dual core situation is no different.
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The attitude like this sparks the flame wars.
As for the OP: I am using ffc occasionally to gtalk with people when I am not near my laptop.
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The attitude like this sparks the flame wars.
As for the OP: I am using ffc occasionally to gtalk with people when I am not near my laptop.
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who said I was getting an attitude?
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Features, quite simply. While you, and admittedly I, do not use it (I don't, at all) we just acknowledge that many see this as a necessary - and at this point standard feature - that from here on out it should be present on any legitimately "high-end" phone. No questions, it should just be there. When Android phones started using it (and I'm aware they were around long before) people questioned it and their overall usefulness. It's obviously a well requested feature and should be as standard as an opposite facing camera, given the greater leaps made in video conferencing / chatting as of recent time.
Its not so much that it's a huge deal, but something that should just be standard.
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To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
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It's mostly a gimmick IMO. People want it because it exists in other high end devices, so it makes their devices look worse without it.
I had 2 cell phones with front cameras and I only used that feature one time to test it for fun. I believe that not many people would want to hold their phone like a mirror and talk to their contacts with everyone around looking at their personal video calling.
It reminds me of personal assistants like Siri on the iPhone. Everybody likes them, but in the end they get used only inside the house for fun and sometimes away from other family members.
Front Cameras also raise the cost of a device without offering a great functionality.
Never-Ever used front Cam on mobiles i had..
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
also a nice feature for checking your hair
those of you saying it's no big deal.. you are quite ignorant. again, i'm one who would not use it (currently). but i know many who video chat all the time on their phone. if they currently are used to always video chatting, why would they get a phone without one. its very simple to see why many wouldn't even consider a phone without a FFC. it's all opinion guys.. just because you don't see the point in something doesn't mean it's pointless.
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It's a nice feature to have (e.g. seeing gf/wife/kids while on the road, etc) but yeah many people don't need it.
However, it's a check-the-box kind of feature. When your main competitors in the iPhone and the Android superphones have it, you better damn well make sure your flagship Windows Phone has it
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Best answer in the thread.
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also a nice feature for checking your hair
those of you saying it's no big deal.. you are quite ignorant. again, i'm one who would not use it (currently). but i know many who video chat all the time on their phone. if they currently are used to always video chatting, why would they get a phone without one. its very simple to see why many wouldn't even consider a phone without a FFC. it's all opinion guys.. just because you don't see the point in something doesn't mean it's pointless.
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Not only that but MS just bought Skype video chat will be integrated at an OS level we want phones that will be ready for the inevitable.
I honestly only used the FFC for checking for boogers
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
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I don't think comparing a camera to a display type is fair. I'm sure one could make the argument for both, why one is would seem of more use, but one is obviously a stronger mobile standard than the other and offers more legitimate use. One being directed more toward media intake, albeit in a smaller demographic, while the other appeals and offers to a larger demographic. I have rarely used mine, but it is entrely more productive than some display tech. Especially considering when you consider a form that doesn't fill a scale such as HD output does. That's exactly why 3D TVs haven't made that jump yet.
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
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You can't compensate that. Its a missing hardware component. Its not like using opera mobile because a stock browser is missing hardware acceleration. If its not there its not there.
All Tablets, higher iOS/WP/Android devices, high end Pmps (galaxy player/ITouch) have it. Most mid range phones are now shipping with vga front cams. Not putting it there is denying your users a whole means of communicating and making your phones less useful to business users who need stuff like WebEx.
However go ahead and downplay it.
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Beside video calling it is also great if you want to take pictures with yourself in the picture because you can actually see on the screen what you are shooting.
Anyway, right now I think it is not so important because there is no skype app available, but if Skype gets integrated like Facebook the FFC could really become a deal breaker on the Nokia 800.
In my own case, I would find FFC to be really useful. I may be in the minority, but I was using video-calling over 3g with my old Touch Diamond2. In addition to using it with a mobile, I quite often use Skype to stay in touch with family, both extended family and my own family when I'm working away.
I recently had to travel for work, and due to corporate software policy, was unable to have Skype on my work laptop. This mean I carried an additional (old and bulky) laptop with me on my travels. I personally would have found it so much more convenient to simply be able to make the call on my mobile.
I simply assumed that with MS purchasing Skype, and Nokia buying into WP7, there'd be no question of FFC missing from the latest batch of phones. I was about to go with Nokia for past history of good quality hardware, good cameras etc. And then I found out that the memory would still be limited (I didn't realise how much of the 8Gb on my current Omnia 7 is reserved for the OS/apps, etc) *and* FFC was missing.
Now, in the grand scheme of things, these might not matter to the majority of users. But I miss having my favourite albums on tap, and the ability to video call on those occasions I wish to do so. And sadly, I've not ordered the new Nokia phones and have decided to hang on to the Omnia 7 until next year, when Nokia are due to release more handsets.
Slightly off topic - but regarding the memory, I used to have a 2Gb SD card in my TD2. This was more than enough for me to carry around my albums, but now I have less albums on an 8Gb Omnia 7! (Mind you, I have far more photos due to the ease of use of taking pictures ) I don't fully understand why MS decided to control the use of expandable memory in such a way. I can see why, but in my mind, I keep asking why people aren't allowed to add memory to suit their own needs.
Nonetheless, apart from the two issues mentioned above, I'm really happy with my phone, quite often demonstrating it to my iPhone/Android-toting work buddies. I'd just really like to be able to tell them one day that it also has Flash player support, expandable memory and video calling built in