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Unrevoked vs. Unrevoked Forever

Can someone please explain clearly the difference between Unrevoked 3 (.22) and Unrevoked Forever (for EVO use).
I've read both Wiki's and it seems, for the EVO, that both permanently give root, unlock NAND, and s-off.
If I root with Unrevoked 3, what exactly would be the reasoning for flashing Forever?
Please answer specifically for EVO use.
Thanks
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Unrevoked forever achieves S-OFF, which means, even if for some reason you become "unrooted" (such as accepting an OTA) you can always go to recovery and flash a rooted rom. S-OFF is a somewhat permanent NAND unlock.
Unrevoked 3.22 includes the forever flash after the root process, however, I have noticed sometimes it doesn't flash properly, so anyone using unrevoked 3.22, should verify they are S-OFF in bootloader. If you are still S-ON, then download and flash the unrevoked forever .zip until you get S-OFF.

Thanks, but its just hard for me to believe that the whole point of Forever is "just in case" you don't achieve s-off with 3.22. It has to do something extra right?
What is this stuff I've been reading that its not permanent... or is this just old info. When I read the 3.22 wiki it says that it "now" achieves root as of 3 whereas before it did not.
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generalExpert said:
Thanks, but its just hard for me to believe that the whole point of Forever is "just in case" you don't achieve s-off with 3.22. It has to do something extra right?
What is this stuff I've been reading that its not permanent... or is this just old info. When I read the 3.22 wiki it says that it "now" achieves root as of 3 whereas before it did not.
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Well forever was released after other root methods. So people who rooted either manually or simple root or whatever.. won't have S-OFF, unrevoked were the first to come out with that, and the forever .zip download, lets those people have it too.
Old versions of unrevoked did not reach permanent nand unlock so you'll read a lot of old stuff about how unrevoked isn't a "full root", but now with forever, it does.

Ok, so by rooting with Unrevoked 3 I don't need to flash Unrevoked Forever, right? Because now with version 3 I achieve the same things that Forever does??...
Is this correct.
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I rooted with unrEVOked 3 and have S-OFF so you should be fine.

generalExpert said:
Ok, so by rooting with Unrevoked 3 I don't need to flash Unrevoked Forever, right? Because now with version 3 I achieve the same things that Forever does??...
Is this correct.
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In theory yes, as I stated, unrevoked 3.xx has included the forever flash, but you just need to double check that it all went through, there have been many reports (in the IRC chan, and my own experience with a replacement EVO) that people are rooted but not S-OFF after finishing unrevoked 3.xx.
VDub2174 said:
I rooted with unrEVOked 3 and have S-OFF so you should be fine.
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As above.

op-put simply, do the unrevoked3.xx to root your phone. if you get s-off in the process then good no need to do anything else. if you still got s-on then you need to run unrevoked forever. simple as that. just because it worked for someone else does not mean that it will work for you. just do it and then verify it is nand unlock.

OK, just rooted my EVO for the 2nd time ever. Went pretty easy. However, I was using Ubuntu 10.10 64bit and it took a minute to figure out how to run the reflash program as a root user. I did get some errors about the radio not being supported and update failed. After a reboot I noticed that I did not have s-off but did have the ClockworkMOD recovery and the superUser Permission app. So, I ran unrevoked forever and viola I now have s-off (and the unrevoked splash screen). I see now why this is useful, just wondering why I had errors with my radio version.
Code:
unrEVOked forever S-OFF patch v1.1
Verifying system type...
E:unsupported radio version
E:Update failed. Check /sdcard/soff.log.
E:Error in /data/local/unrevoked-forever.zip
(Status 42)
Installation aborted.
Failure at line 1:
install_zip DATA:local/unrevoked-forever.zip

Why the **** won't UnrEVOked 3.32 ****ing run on my Windows XP and EVO??? WHAT THE ****???
HTC Sync is NOT installed
USB debugging is enabled
What the **** am I missing here?

Did you install the driver from the help section?

jstn76rs said:
Did you install the driver from the help section?
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No... and I totally did read that! Crap! Thanks, hopefully that will be why...
So I would assume I just need to run the .exe file with the phone turned booted back up?
I hope I Don't have to redownload everything...

eyeballer1 said:
Well forever was released after other root methods. So people who rooted either manually or simple root or whatever.. won't have S-OFF, unrevoked were the first to come out with that, and the forever .zip download, lets those people have it too.
Old versions of unrevoked did not reach permanent nand unlock so you'll read a lot of old stuff about how unrevoked isn't a "full root", but now with forever, it does.
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Using the engineering bootloader, like simple root did, has unlocked the NAND (s-off) since day one. Unrevoked just figured out a way to do it with other bootloader versions

Even more questions of whether I'm truly rooted or not...
First time posting although I've been lurking for quite a while so hopefully I don't get flamed out of here on my first attempt.
First I did root my Evo using unrevoked 3, all seemed to go well and correctly as I ended up with S-OFF, superuser app, etc. I created a backup and everything, (still running stock Sense ROM.) Do I need to try using Unrevoked Forever now?
I started reading posts about backing up RSA keys and WiMAX partitions etc and when I connected the phone (yes usb debugging and charge only); opened a command prompt and browsed to the ADB directory I never get the # confirming I have root access. (I only get the $)
Now from what I'm reading Clockwork mod backs up the WiMax anyway but I still wanted to walk through the process to get more familiar with it. I guess my first question is do I really need to back up the partition and keys if I have a successful nandroid backup?
Also I installed root check and the under the basic setting it said I had no root access, and then under the advanced setting it said I did.
I tried installing Ti backup and clicking under problems to install busy box thinking that may be the problem, but I don't see the setting it describes there where I can change to install busybox.
Finally I also downloaded the busybox installer. It gives two options of where to install it in either /system/bin/, or /system/xbin/....does it matter? Will installing it this way be ok or do I need to push through ADB? If I need to push through ADB then obviously I need to get my # root access figured out.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can try and help me make heads or tails of this situation.
Radio: 2.15.00.11.19
Software Number : 3.70.651.1
Hardware Version: 0003
HBoot: 2.10.0001

[Q] Can't seem to get rooted or recovery

So I first followed these instructions to use Unrevoked to root my girlfriend's new phone, as this was how I rooted my phone:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/07/20/how-to-root-the-htc-evo-4g-unrevoked-method/
Unrevoked said it was triumphant, but when I rebooted into my bootloader, and selected fastboot -> recovery I just got a black screen with a red triangle. Apparently, there's no nandroid loaded on my phone.
So I proceeded to follow Toast's 2 part guide here:
Part 1: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718889
Part 2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701835
Apprehensive about not being able to perform a nandroid backup, I proceeded anyways, but when I tried to create /data/flash_image I received an error: permission denied. So I'm positive I don't have root either.
So I went to this tutorial believing that I probably had a newer version (even though my notification bar is telling me I need to download the mandatory update) and followed these directions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718889
I repeated my previous steps, but was still no closer. Finally, I went to these directions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=690762
but when I tried to update using the pc36img file, after it finished checking the file it said "Main version is older! Update fail! Do you want to reboot device?"
So I'm pretty much stuck. What can/should I do?
e:
Sprint HTC Evo 4G
Supersonic EVT3 Ship S-On
HBOOT-2.02.0000
MICROP-041f
TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADIO-2.15.00.09.01
Oct 14 2010, 19:14:47

Well, you need to figure out what version the phone is in the bootloader as in what hboot version.. And also you need to see what hardware version. You are trying to use methods that WILL NOT work on a new Evo.

Yellowcard8992 said:
Well, you need to figure out what version the phone is in the bootloader as in what hboot version. And also you need to see what hardware version. You are trying to use methods that WILL NOT work on a new Evo.
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Pretty much what this guy said.
You're going to need to use the new method for the 2.02 HBOOT since S-ON is present. If S-OFF was present you'd obviously be ready to go to flash a custom recovery and flash your ROM of choice.
Here's a guide to get your S-OFF with 2.02, follow it to the "T": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
Once you've got S-OFF and a custom recovery loaded, you'll just have to flash a ROM. Personally, I'd recommend Myn's Warm 2.2 RLS4. It's the fastest ROM I've used and looks/works the best, imo.

Yellowcard8992 said:
Well, you need to figure out what version the phone is in the bootloader as in what hboot version.. And also you need to see what hardware version. You are trying to use methods that WILL NOT work on a new Evo.
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cosine83 said:
Pretty much what this guy said.
You're going to need to use the new method for the 2.02 HBOOT since S-ON is present. If S-OFF was present you'd obviously be ready to go to flash a custom recovery and flash your ROM of choice.
Here's a guide to get your S-OFF with 2.02, follow it to the "T": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
Once you've got S-OFF and a custom recovery loaded, you'll just have to flash a ROM. Personally, I'd recommend Myn's Warm 2.2 RLS4. It's the fastest ROM I've used and looks/works the best, imo.
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Like all any other nerd in this forum on a thought about "How do I root this phone?" - Check the fkn specs of the phone to root with the instructions that has the details of your phone ONLY...gosh jeez peeoople where did we go wrong here?
Bad luck you wrote the wrong root method on a new females phone. >_<
Make sure you find out the Hboot version and the S-OFF has to be there for your phone to be flashed with a new rom / kernel for use.

What everyone said, but in case you don't know. To check your Hboot version boot to the bootloader (power on + vol down) to check your version.

cosine83 said:
Here's a guide to get your S-OFF with 2.02, follow it to the "T": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
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This is what I needed, thanks. Sorry, but it had been since the EVO launched since the last time I had to unlock one, sorry I wasn't completely versed in the nuances of hboot versions and the appearance of S-On. I'm glad someone was nice enough to simply post the correct guide.

20$ for your Time!

i need my phone rooted, Android 2.2- 0004 hardware- 3.70 Softy- 2.15.00.11.19 Baseband..... I will pay Via Paypal, I just needed rooted before I sell it! If any body can help Developers pls..... Remove this if it is pointless.
Thank you for your Time

Have they found a root method for 3.70 yet?

i dont know if they have yet...

Yes they have. Zikronix has a thread on how to do it.
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Will unrevoked work?

No it doesn't...the unrevoked dev team is working on one.
leenypost was refering to this thread:
[ROOT][GUIDE] HBoot 2.02/2.10 SOFF - Root! The Final Frontier Edition - Upd. 12.21.10

i think they have but im not the one that wants to do it, i cant cuz my other evo got rooted with Simple root so i didnt have to do it the long Way but i dont have that phone anymore. Any takers?

All you need to do is follow the link ICEReaction posted. It's very straightforward.

just downgrade using a stock RUU then use old root methods

im VERY noob wen it comes to cmd, shell cd to etc. and all that i guess the hard part is the Command prompt i can open but wen changing or anything i get path not found etc

rayveno said:
just downgrade using a stock RUU then use old root methods
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This will not work. If your phone is new and came with hboot 2.02 or 2.10 it is a no go. If you have an older EVO you can flash a rom with a lower SW version and then use an RUU that matches that version if you like and then use unrevoked to root... But that's way more work to then get back up to 3.70 than just following the supplied thread.

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[Q] Unrevoked 3.0 on stock 2.2 EVO - no image or wrong image at bootloader screen?

Hi I have tried searching the threads already but I couldn't find any that was related to my problem specifically.
I am trying to root my HTC EVO 4G 2.2 stock with the unrevoked method. I followed all the instructions from guides and unrevoked and the part I am stuck at is when I run Unrevoked and it reboots my EVO. When it tells me to use the volume button to select HBOOT USB and press power, I get an error message on my phone saying "no image or wrong image!"
Was I supposed to put the PC36IMG file and recovery image on my microsd card when I run unrevoked or is this unnecessary? I thought the unrevoked software was supposed to include it.
Also, am I supposed to root it without a microsd card or with it? Thanks.

I rooted mine with unrevoked 3.21. the newer version is at least v3.22. You are using version 3.0 to root your evo? If your having issues rooting ,my guess is that you are using an out of date unrevoked....
It depends on which h-boot your phone has...2.02 or 2.10 or an older version?

I'm using the newest version so it should be 3.22. I just dled the file from their site a few days ago. I tried using mac and pc and they both don't work.
So for mac, you're not supposed to have anything on your microsd like the PC36IMG file that i've seen on other rooting guides right?
How do I find out the version of the hboot on my phone? I am not sure.

ok, there are a few things that need to be sorted out here.
1: when it says no image/wrong image, that means it scanned the sdcard and found nothing. this is what you want to have happen for unrevoked to take hold.
2: unrevoked is way out of date. if your software is 3.29, 3.30, or 3.70, then your radio could be permanently corrupted and damaged because of this.
3: unrevoked is on version 3.22, and you say you are on version 3.0??? wow that is really, reeeealy out of date.
baisically, your radio is taking a bunch of bashing right now, and it is all your fault for not reading the threads and searching well enough. good luck sorting it all out. oh, and by the way, if you have hboots 2.02 or 2.10, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045

I tried using Windows as well and I installed the drivers and I was able to get unrevoked to reboot my EVO. However, when it's done rebooting, it hasn't changed and unrevoked still says "waiting for root..." and I don't see the super user icon on my phone. What's going on?

Sorry no the 3.0 was a mistake/typo; it's 3.2, the newest one on their site.
So should I NOT use unrevoked and use some other method? I just used this because I read that it was supposed to be easy and simple. What other method would you recommend?

read again
read my post again. let me try again. beginrant/ UNREVOKED IS OUT OF DATE. YOU ARE PERMANENTLY HARMING YOUR PHONE. STOP USING UNREVOKED. THANKS FOR LISTENING. /endrant
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10025668/Thunderous_Backhand.swf
edit: i even linked a working tutorial for u in my last post.

haveing same problem

[Q] Unrevoked site Forbidden, can't get root for froyo

I have a new(used) HTC EVO 4g. I am trying to root it before I activate it. I was following directions (can't post link as a noob, but) 4-GUIDE-WIP-How-to-achieve-S-OFF-after-unlocking-2-18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark
and successfully unlocked the bootloader and removed the watermark.
However, when I get to the actual rooting step, it appears that either unrevoked is gone, or having some issue (or blocking me!) as I get 403 Forbidden errors. I have done an exhaustive search (including on this site, where I found someone had posted the file in dropbox but I get a 404 error on that one) and I cannot find either the unrevoked package or any other way to root my evo!
I would be very grateful for some help. Here are my specs:
android 2.2
baseband 2.15.00.11.19
software version 3.70.651.1
When I am in the bootloader menu, I see:
Supersonic evt2-3 Ship S-ON
HBOOT 2.10.0001
(I do not have the watermark saying "locked" or "unlocked")
Sorry to be a noob, but I have rooted several phones before but I just have no clue without the software...
As a side note- here are files I have found and managed to download (if there is a way to use them or if I haven't already used them to get this far): HTCDriver 3.0.0.0007, unrevoked-forever.zip, (I don't think this is the same as unrevoked3, which I need, but correct me if I am wrong) revolutionary-0.4pre4.zip, pc36IMG.zip (but not sure where i got this one from, so not sure what it is an image of.)

Get it activated first.. Then root it..
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hondafreak513 said:
Get it activated first.. Then root it..
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Is that really necessary? I could swear I read somewhere in the step-by-steps that it wasn't necessary to activate first. Since it will cost me $35 to activate it and the $35 to reactivate my existing phone if I can't get this rooted, I really have no desire to activate yet. Plus seeing as the problem I am having is in accessing the website I need to go to download the files for rooting, I can't see why activating would make any difference?

Rooted!
karenmolloy said:
I have a new(used) HTC EVO 4g. I am trying to root it before I activate it. I was following directions (can't post link as a noob, but) 4-GUIDE-WIP-How-to-achieve-S-OFF-after-unlocking-2-18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark
and successfully unlocked the bootloader and removed the watermark.
However, when I get to the actual rooting step, it appears that either unrevoked is gone, or having some issue (or blocking me!) as I get 403 Forbidden errors. I have done an exhaustive search (including on this site, where I found someone had posted the file in dropbox but I get a 404 error on that one) and I cannot find either the unrevoked package or any other way to root my evo!
I would be very grateful for some help. Here are my specs:
android 2.2
baseband 2.15.00.11.19
software version 3.70.651.1
When I am in the bootloader menu, I see:
Supersonic evt2-3 Ship S-ON
HBOOT 2.10.0001
(I do not have the watermark saying "locked" or "unlocked")
Sorry to be a noob, but I have rooted several phones before but I just have no clue without the software...
As a side note- here are files I have found and managed to download (if there is a way to use them or if I haven't already used them to get this far): HTCDriver 3.0.0.0007, unrevoked-forever.zip, (I don't think this is the same as unrevoked3, which I need, but correct me if I am wrong) revolutionary-0.4pre4.zip, pc36IMG.zip (but not sure where i got this one from, so not sure what it is an image of.)
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Okay, I actually fixed it myself--- Still have no idea what is going on with unrevoked site-- either it is my ISP or the site is bad. Either way, I finally found another way to root. Here on this site, I found a rooting method that was older, HBOOT 2.10 SOFF, and that worked fine for me!
(Wanted to post my solution so if anyone else found this thread while having the same problem, they would be able to fix it also.) Post was titled: [ROOT][GUIDE] HBoot 2.02/2.10 SOFF - Goodbye Stranger - Upd. 02.25.11

karenmolloy said:
Okay, I actually fixed it myself--- Still have no idea what is going on with unrevoked site-- either it is my ISP or the site is bad. Either way, I finally found another way to root. Here on this site, I found a rooting method that was older, HBOOT 2.10 SOFF, and that worked fine for me!
(Wanted to post my solution so if anyone else found this thread while having the same problem, they would be able to fix it also.) Post was titled: [ROOT][GUIDE] HBoot 2.02/2.10 SOFF - Goodbye Stranger - Upd. 02.25.11
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The Unrevoked site is down.
I must point out that "YOU WERE LUCKY", as that root method only works on the older Evos with the old hardware. It has been known to brick the newer Evos, as you could have easily done if you had the new hardware. Without Unrevoked, the safest method to root the phone would be to update it to one of the later builds (Gingerbread) and either use Revolutionary or the HTCdev site, depending on the build to unlock the bootloader. Then flash a custom recovery followed by a superuser.zip file.

Yikes!
shortydoggg said:
The Unrevoked site is down.
I must point out that "YOU WERE LUCKY", as that root method only works on the older Evos with the old hardware. It has been known to brick the newer Evos, as you could have easily done if you had the new hardware. Without Unrevoked, the safest method to root the phone would be to update it to one of the later builds (Gingerbread) and either use Revolutionary or the HTCdev site, depending on the build to unlock the bootloader. Then flash a custom recovery followed by a superuser.zip file.
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Yikes! Wow, glad I was a lucky one! Not surprised I have an older Evo, I got it off ebay.
I actually had started with Revolutionary, but my HBOOT was 2.18 (I think) and that only worked with 2.16 and 2.17. So then I went and downgraded to the 2.10, etc....
Just in case I need to know in the future, is the unrevoked site down temporarily or permanently?

karenmolloy said:
Yikes! Wow, glad I was a lucky one! Not surprised I have an older Evo, I got it off ebay.
I actually had started with Revolutionary, but my HBOOT was 2.18 (I think) and that only worked with 2.16 and 2.17. So then I went and downgraded to the 2.10, etc....
Just in case I need to know in the future, is the unrevoked site down temporarily or permanently?
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I don't know for sure, but since mostly everyone is now on Gingerbread builds and very few are still using Froyo, don't be surprised if that root method is never up again.