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[GUIDE] Perm-root, write access, Clockwork recovery and overclocking on the Desire Z

Edit: This guide is for EXPERIENCED users ONLY! For less experienced users please check UBERROOT easy full Root, S-OFF, SuperCID AND SIM UNLOCK for DZ/G2/DHD inc Voda .
Remember to always read and research before rooting! Discussion can be found starting on post #101 - #118 ~TheRomMistress
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Please be aware that I am not responsible for any bricks etc. This is playing around with the phone internals, so be careful.
To get full write access to the Desire Z, we now have an Engineering HBOOT which was posted by MrPaveL (Thanks for that!).
To get your device to the engineering hboot stage [this is not full radio S-OFF, but 99% of people won't need radio S-OFF], please follow the guide below.
If you want full Radio S-OFF, SuperCID or want to remove the simlock on your phone, please follow this guide on instead. Once you have full Radio S-OFF you can use any Desire Z HBOOT and still have access to flash ROMs etc.
Credit goes out to scotty2, and all of the wonderful folks at #G2ROOT!
Donate to scotty2 (for root): [email protected] (PayPal)
This guide was derived from the guide for the G2, created by unrevoked512 on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833965. Also many thanks to vro25 for improvement suggestions.
You will need the following files:
VISIONary r14
wpthis-Z.ko MD5 c73c5e77c91d306c418983c002b60b93
hboot_7230_0.84.2000_100908.nb0 MD5 2ce1bdd5e4c1119ccfcecb938710d742
Step 1
Download and run VISIONary r14
Leave everything uncheck and click "temp root" now.
Once that's done click "Attempt Permroot Now!"
You now have permaroot.
Step 2
Push the files wpthis-Z.ko and hboot_7230_0.84.2000_100908.nb0 to /data/local/
Note: You might want to verify the MD5 sums, particularly for the hboot file, as if your download was corrupted, the file will brick your phone.
Step 3
Open a terminal on your phone, or open an adb shell from your computer.
Step 4
Code:
$ su
# insmod /data/local/wpthis-Z.ko
Note: make sure your screen is on before doing this as it will raise a root request on your phone (if you haven't previously granted it) - click ok on your phone to grant root.
It should return:
Code:
init_module 'wpthis-Z.ko' failed (Function not implemented)
That is good.
Step 5
FINAL WARNING: THIS STEP COULD SEVERELY DAMAGE YOUR PHONE. USING THE INCORRECT FILE COULD CAUSE IRREPARABLE DAMAGE, MAKING YOUR PHONE NOTHING MORE THAN A BRICK.
That noted, if you would like S-OFF, go ahead and run this command in your terminal.
Code:
# dd if=/data/local/hboot_7230_0.84.2000_100908.nb0 of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p18
Step 6
I think this is optional, but there are controversial opinions at the moment. In any case it will not hurt to run
Code:
# sync
to make absolutely sure everything will be saved.
Now reboot your phone gracefully and check that everything sticks.
Step 7 (optional)
This step is optional, if you want to install Clockwork Recovery.
Download ROM Manager from the market and install Clockwork, telling it that you have an HTC G2 when it asks. It will work without problems on the Desire Z.
Step 8 (optional)
This step is optional if you want to install an overclocked kernel. You might want to do a nandroid backup first, in case you want to go back later (just restore boot).
This overclocked kernel seems to crash the phone after Youtube videos are played in fullscreen. This issue is being investigated, but could take a while to resolve, since HTC hasn't released the actual DZ kernel source...
I have now recompiled the overclocked kernel for the Desire Z (all credit goes again to coolbho3000 for publishing the source!), to get the FM Radio to work as well. To get it to work please follow the guide on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834219, but instead of the zImage posted there (which breaks FM Radio on the Desire Z), get the one from http://www.opencodes.org/node/14 . You still need to use the bcm4329.ko file from the other thread. Also note that this will change your kernel version to 2.6.32.17 (instead of 2.6.32.21 stock). Please blame HTC for not releasing the newest kernel source. In any case I have not spotted any disadvantages...
So far I have not spotted any problems with this kernel, but if you do, let me know.
PS Bacon-bits by cyanogen do not fully work on the DZ. It won't boot with that ramdisk and the lights hack seems to fail as well. It is probably safest to wait for a full CM release, but this guide gets you 90% of bacon-bits.

stridger said:
Hi all,
I have just managed to get clockwork recovery work on the Desire Z. It's a bit hacky at the moment, and will probably get much easier in the due course. I am not going to post every little step that you can find out by googling, and please be aware that I am not responsible for any bricks etc. This is playing around with the phone internals, so be careful.
The reason it is this hacky is that we do not have an engineering bootloader for the Desire Z yet.
Download wpthis-Z.ko and wpthis-pre-OTA.ko from
http://content.modaco.net/dropzone/wpthis-Z.ko and
http://unforgiven512.udderweb.com/downloads/wpthis-pre-OTA.ko and put them in /data/local on the phone.
Download newest version of ROM Manager
Disable write protection via wpthis-Z.ko
Flash clockwork recovery from ROM Manager
Reboot into recovery
Make a nandroid backup !!!!!
Mount /data in Clockwork
Use wpthis-pre-OTA.ko in recovery to disable write protection.
You now have a fully working recovery. (note you will need to use wpthis-pre-OTA.ko step everytime you boot into recovery and want to write something from recovery [not needed for nandroid backups])
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Your a genius dude Keep up the good work
We need quality devs like you to get this party started
JD

As soon as I did this step:
Disable write protection via wpthis-Z.ko
EDIT:
this is exactly what I did:
$ su
# insmod /data/local/wpthis-Z.ko
got this as result: failed (Function not implemented)
then all applications stopped working, ROM Manager crashed as soon as I select G2 from confirmation dialog when trying to flash Clockwork.
I then tried GMails and got loads of error popups, had to restart phone to get back to normal
EDIT: I do have Visionary installed set to Root on boot.

schriss said:
As soon as I did this step:
Disable write protection via wpthis-Z.ko
EDIT:
this is exactly what I did:
$ su
# insmod /data/local/wpthis-Z.ko
got this as result: failed (Function not implemented)
then all applications stopped working, ROM Manager crashed as soon as I select G2 from confirmation dialog when trying to flash Clockwork.
I then tried GMails and got loads of error popups, had to restart phone to get back to normal
EDIT: I do have Visionary installed set to Root on boot.
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I urge you not to do anything in this direction, if you haven't even got permroot yet. Look at the G2 permroot forums, where all of these things are answered. The error is supposed to appear. Please be very careful if you don't want to end up with a brick.

I was afraid to do the G2 permanent root because it involved dd command and some G2 HBOOT file. There was one Desire Z user who ended up stuck in bootloader and have seen no other desire Z owners confirming this to work.
I guess I wait...
Sent from Desire Z

I flashed the desire z rom on my g2 yesterday after root, is my g2 now considered a desire z? if so it should be okay for me to follow these instructions right?

schriss said:
I was afraid to do the G2 permanent root because it involved dd command and some G2 HBOOT file. There was one Desire Z user who ended up stuck in bootloader and have seen no other desire Z owners confirming this to work.
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You don't need the eng hboot to get permroot... You just need to temproot with write-protection disabled. But as you say, it's best to wait until the right tools come out.

stridger said:
You don't need the eng hboot to get permroot... You just need to temproot with write-protection disabled. But as you say, it's best to wait until the right tools come out.
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Exactly, that's what the logic sugests.
I was hoping to:
Temp root with Visionary (already done)
Disable write protection via wpthis-Z.ko
then try "sync" command to write changes.
Then, after reboot, I should have perm root and nand on read-only.
But I got scared by the errors I got after I disabled write protection.

g1junky said:
I flashed the desire z rom on my g2 yesterday after root, is my g2 now considered a desire z? if so it should be okay for me to follow these instructions right?
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amazing,
thanks for reporting,
good news

g1junky said:
I flashed the desire z rom on my g2 yesterday after root, is my g2 now considered a desire z? if so it should be okay for me to follow these instructions right?
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You've probably still got a G2 hboot, right ? Like the G2 eng hboot ? If so, then it's still really a G2 running a Desire Z ROM. But I can't answer your main question, I'm sure someone else will be able to though.

g1junky said:
I flashed the desire z rom on my g2 yesterday after root, is my g2 now considered a desire z? if so it should be okay for me to follow these instructions right?
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No, your phone still has the G2 partition layout, so none of this is probably needed for you as your bootloader should already show S-OFF...

I have a g2 so most of this doesnt pertain to me, but as im trying to help someone currently stuck in a hard place thought maybe u could help.
My question has to do with after clockwork is installed. Why do u have to run wpthis.ko in recovery. Shouldnt wp be turned off in recovery? thats how the phone updates stock.

fastludeh22 said:
I have a g2 so most of this doesnt pertain to me, but as im trying to help someone currently stuck in a hard place thought maybe u could help.
My question has to do with after clockwork is installed. Why do u have to run wpthis.ko in recovery. Shouldnt wp be turned off in recovery? thats how the phone updates stock.
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I just tested doing a nand restore without using wpthis-Z.ko and it *seems* to be working. I haven't flashed anything yet so i can't be sure but it seems like it worked

Sphaerophoria said:
I just tested doing a nand restore without using wpthis-Z.ko and it *seems* to be working. I haven't flashed anything yet so i can't be sure but it seems like it worked
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Well, for me it was able to flash system, but not boot. My guess would be hboot wouldn't work either. [Obviously it won't return an error... It will think it had written, when in fact it hadn't.]
As for the post before that, the fact that stock recovery can flash images says nothing about other recoveries being able to do the same. Stock recovery could disable wp for example.
In any case it would be nice to have permanent write-access...

stridger said:
Well, for me it was able to flash system, but not boot. My guess would be hboot wouldn't work either. [Obviously it won't return an error... It will think it had written, when in fact it hadn't.]
As for the post before that, the fact that stock recovery can flash images says nothing about other recoveries being able to do the same. Stock recovery could disable wp for example.
In any case it would be nice to have permanent write-access...
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Dont take this as arguement, cause as ive said i dont have a z, just going by what ive thought to be right. With that being said, the fact that wp is off in stock recovery does say something. The bootloader is what sets wp on/off so if the bootloader is loading the recovery(which it thinks is stock) wp SHOULD be off. i guess a good way to test would be after a nandroid, flash a zip thats only a boot.img and see if it takes.
Heres another question then, what about using the g2 eng recovery?

stridger said:
No, your phone still has the G2 partition layout, so none of this is probably needed for you as your bootloader should already show S-OFF...
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i tried the G2 method for obtaining clockwork and it didn't work it says it flashed from the app but when i try to backup rom im still on the stock recovery.. would u recommend i try the D-Z method?

fastludeh22 said:
Dont take this as arguement, cause as ive said i dont have a z, just going by what ive thought to be right. With that being said, the fact that wp is off in stock recovery does say something. The bootloader is what sets wp on/off so if the bootloader is loading the recovery(which it thinks is stock) wp SHOULD be off. i guess a good way to test would be after a nandroid, flash a zip thats only a boot.img and see if it takes.
Heres another question then, what about using the g2 eng recovery?
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wp is definately off in recovery but the problem is probably "your update-binary or updater-script (don't use update-script)" in koush's own words. Anyways i hope we find a way around this soon

FYI: Method updated to reflect the fact that we now have an ENG hboot.

stridger said:
Follow G2 guide on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833965, but instead of wpthis-*.ko use the file http://content.modaco.net/dropzone/wpthis-Z.ko. ALSO DO NOT FLASH THE hboot-eng.img INSTEAD USE THE FILE ON http://www.multiupload.com/4U9P14R86Y. IF YOU FLASH THE WRONG FILE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BRICK YOUR DEVICE! .
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Good work.
Just a suggestion, but I think it would be a lot clearer if, instead of two lots of "follow this except don't do this bit", you were to copy out the whole procedure and change those two bits appropriately ?
Just trying to help minimise the chances of bricks.

steviewevie said:
Good work.
Just a suggestion, but I think it would be a lot clearer if, instead of two lots of "follow this except don't do this bit", you were to copy out the whole procedure and change those two bits appropriately ?
Just trying to help minimise the chances of bricks.
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Yes, I agree and would like to do that, but wanted to ask unforgiven512 first to integrate it into his guide, as it seems to much overhead to maintain two guides of essentially the same procedure...
Now both devices have a fully working eng bootloader, we really need to merge these two forums into an "HTC VISION" one!

[Q] need help installing gingerbread keyboard

i have installed the gingerbread keyboard file on my sd card and have rooted my phone using the visonary method but now i cant seem to get into recovery mode. I have rom manager installed and have flashed clockwork recovery mode. it said that it had sucsessfully installed.
I then flashed it again as i read somewhere that i might need to do it twice as sometimes it dosent work.
when i now click on the recovery option in rom manager all i get is the red triange with the ! in the middle.
any ideas what im doing wrong?
Have tried reading the threads but with 30 plus pages i am now completley confused

Sounds like you don't have S-OFF. What does it say in HBOOT (e.g. hold down volume down and the power button with the phone powered off) ?

steviewevie said:
Sounds like you don't have S-OFF. What does it say in HBOOT (e.g. hold down volume down and the power button with the phone powered off) ?
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thanks for the quick reply, i think from what i have read that this s-off thing maybe the problem.
can you tell me how do this please
simple steps please as i am struggling with this

just done the hboot hing and at the top of screen it says
vision pvt ship s-on

hpsauce37 said:
thanks for the quick reply, i think from what i have read that this s-off thing maybe the problem.
can you tell me how do this please
simple steps please as i am struggling with this
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It's a bit confusing because there is more than one way to do this. But by far the safest way is to follow the guide at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857390
Have a good read, then if you're not sure, ask questions in that thread on the process.

steviewevie said:
Sounds like you don't have S-OFF. What does it say in HBOOT (e.g. hold down volume down and the power button with the phone powered off) ?
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S-OFF is a completely different animal. Don't get it confused with being able to boot into recovery.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
S-OFF is a completely different animal. Don't get it confused with being able to boot into recovery.
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I didn't think you could flash recovery without S-OFF though ? Surely ROM Manager doesn't have the ability to write to the NAND, since the write protection will be on if you're at S-ON ?

steviewevie said:
I didn't think you could flash recovery without S-OFF though ? Surely ROM Manager doesn't have the ability to write to the NAND, since the write protection will be on if you're at S-ON ?
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Again. S-OFF is a different issue altogether. Being able to write to NAND is a part of the rooting process. Setting security off is not a part of the rooting process. It's a totally different process for a totally different purpose. The caveat would be if unrevoked has been revised to full root and set S-OFF during the same process. I haven't used it in awhile so on that point, I'm not certain.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
Again. S-OFF is a different issue altogether. Being able to write to NAND is a part of the rooting process. Setting security off is not a part of the rooting process. It's a totally different process for a totally different purpose. The caveat would be if unrevoked has been revised to full root and set S-OFF during the same process. I haven't used it in awhile so on that point, I'm not certain.
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Sorry but that's not right for the DZ/G2. I wonder if you're thinking of how it works on a different Android phone ? The security has been increased on the DZ/G2/DHD compared to, say, the original Desire.
Writing to the system and recovery partitions isn't possible until you get S-OFF. This has nothing to do with rooting, it it because of the increased security on these phones where the NAND is in a hardware write-protect mode for those partitions by default. You can appear to write to the partitions, but it's actually going to cache and is lost when you reboot, until you get S-OFF.

steviewevie said:
Sorry but that's not right for the DZ/G2. I wonder if you're thinking of how it works on a different Android phone ? The security has been increased on the DZ/G2/DHD compared to, say, the original Desire.
Writing to the system and recovery partitions isn't possible until you get S-OFF. This has nothing to do with rooting, it it because of the increased security on these phones where the NAND is in a hardware write-protect mode for those partitions by default. You can appear to write to the partitions, but it's actually going to cache and is lost when you reboot, until you get S-OFF.
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Actually yes. S-OFF on the EVO is to make sure no matter what, you're always rooted. It came about after the new stock flash would unroot the phone. With S-OFF active, you can flash any stock rom and not lose root. All you would need to do is reflash RA or Clockwork to get back to recovery and flash roms again. Unrevoked forever is the program we used to change the security setting.
So. That is only true for the EVO?
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
Actually yes. S-OFF on the EVO is to make sure no matter what, you're always rooted. It came about after the new stock flash would unroot the phone. With S-OFF active, you can flash any stock rom and not lose root. All you would need to do is reflash RA or Clockwork to get back to recovery and flash roms again. Unrevoked forever is the program we used to change the security setting.
So. That is only true for the EVO?
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro
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yeah I think so.
The new HTC Desire Z and HD had "better" security from htc, basically you can't write anything to nand (/system) until you perma rooted, even then some things such as recovery needed s-off before we could write to that partition.

im going to have to give up on this
i have tried to follow the guide to get s-off but i find it too complicated. I have my phone rooted with visionary but i think thats as far as im going to get.
tried to install the adb thing and get that working but it never recognises the phone. when i remove the drivers and plug it back in then windows automatically installs the drivers again so i never have the option to manually instll them.
this is just becoming a nightmare
someone make it simple for me please....the thread is pages and pages long and even then it seems there are problems

hpsauce37 said:
im going to have to give up on this
i have tried to follow the guide to get s-off but i find it too complicated. I have my phone rooted with visionary but i think thats as far as im going to get.
tried to install the adb thing and get that working but it never recognises the phone. when i remove the drivers and plug it back in then windows automatically installs the drivers again so i never have the option to manually instll them.
this is just becoming a nightmare
someone make it simple for me please....the thread is pages and pages long and even then it seems there are problems
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Have you tried my guide on adb ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685

OK, I can use some help too
I have a DZ with stock ROM, root and s-off and CWR.
In my enthusiasm that I knew how to flash rom updates with clockwork (I am running the Godspeed 1Ghz) I downloaded the Gingerbread keyboard rom update from the G2 forum. I think I jumped off a bit too fast...
And now I am stuck in an infinite boot loop. I can get into Clockwork recovery but it just loops the "HTC Quietly Brilliant" forever including the annoying boot sound...
I tried some suggestions to download and reflash a second time, no effect.
I tried to mount /system before flashing, no effect.
Am I forced to go back to factory now?
Also, I found 2 gingerbread keyboards, one in the G2 forum and one over here.
Anyone know what the difference is? They have a different filesize..
Any help is welcome...
*edit*
OK so now I read that it is only to be flashed on a non-stock ROM... so I am now flashing Cyanogen 6.1

try wiping all the caches...

Lennyuk said:
yeah I think so.
The new HTC Desire Z and HD had "better" security from htc, basically you can't write anything to nand (/system) until you perma rooted, even then some things such as recovery needed s-off before we could write to that partition.
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Wow. I'm really sorry guys. I never knew that's how non evo worked. That totally sucks.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
Wow. I'm really sorry guys. I never knew that's how non evo worked. That totally sucks.
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S'alright.
HTC really ramped up the security on these new phones, as Lenny said, with this hardware write-protection on certain partitions. But even given that, I was amazed by just how quickly the guys on the #G2ROOT IRC channel, especially Scotty2, managed to crack it !
It also looks like they've opened the phone even wider than many others before, with the "true" radio S-OFF that they achieved.
You can read up all about it in the Wiki - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision

Rooting with Visonary 14 killed me phone

I didnt think this was possible but I think I bricked my phone by using Visionary and permroot.
I clicked on the permroot, the icon went on, rebooted and got stuck at the HTC green screen.
After pulling the battery;
I tried doing a factory reset, nothing.
I tried a stock image of tmobile, nothing (at least I think I did this right)
ADB doesnt recognize the device in windows
I have only seen a red triangle and exclamation point after trying several posts suggestions.
I'm stuck on what to do, and have a replacement coming, but not soon enough.
Can I do anything with this? Like get the original Tmobile image back on? If so, how? I'm not the brightest bulb when it comes to this, as the g1 was so much easier. A bit of instructions would be great.
Thank you!

People have been warned about visionary's high chance of bricking over and over again and that they should just use the rage method but they can't seem to get it.
Also: you do realize that the nand lock was to prevent this exact thing: people bricking their phones then returning them hoping to get them replaced. If it doesn't get replaced then you full well deserve it for not reading the countless posts about people bricking their phones using visionary.
First off: are you s-off?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.

You didn't read the post which said you should not try to install the stock rom?
fastludeh22 said:
Ok mods, I know this normally isn't the place, but I think this is very important as I'm seeing more and more semi bricks, some of which are not recoverable without HTC signing keys!
So I ask you mods, please don't lock this, if anything it really needs to be a sticky!
That being said, if you are s-off, do NOT flash the signed offical PC10IMG.zip. if you don't have the correct rom on there when you do, as per the unroot thread you will get stuck.
Let me give u an example of what I've been seeing and why its happening so everyone understands. Example: you perm root/s-off your phone. You decide to do some rom playing. You end up boot looping and can't fully boot into android. So u say hey, ill reload pc10 and start over, WRONG.
What happens is s-off does no checks, sigs, version number etc. So when you load it up it starts to flash. Hboot(s-on) is first, then recovery, then radio. Thing is it has to reboot to do radio, so it reboots, at this point your s-on so it does a version check. "Main is older" then it quits before ever touching the system.img or boot.img. at this point you are locked. You have s-on, stock recovery, and can't boot android. Long story short, your screwed.
Now depending on the rom/kernel u had/have installed you may have adb access. At this point you have a small chance of recovering, which is better then some. I just spent the last 5 hours working with someone on a fix and think we got it, but the bat has died and will have to pick back up tomo. If this works or not, I also have one more idea we can try. I will update OP with any fixes we find.
*If your system was bootable when you started this, it may still boot. but you will be s-on, stock recovery, and still on whatever rom you were running. at this point you will have to hex edit to downgrade, or wpthis.ko if there is one for your kernel to get back to s-off.
*ive seen some people saying. i did it, it worked for me, but don't add any supporting info. this is bad for people new to android cause it makes them feel they will be ok. the only way this can work is if you have a version installed as old or older then the official img, or if you take hboot out of the update which then makes it no longer the official update. but my question is why are you flashing this? if you want to fully unroot, then follow the unroot guide. if you just want to go back to stock w/root, grab one of the stock w/root roms.
Long story short, do your rom flashing from recovery. Stay out of hboot unless you are following proven instructions to a T, or being walked though be a "pro". I hope this helps save some people!
* if you just read all this going DAMN, i already did that, then go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842495
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Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

@ddgarcia05 - that should be ok if he wasn't at S-OFF with the eng hboot though, which I don't believe that Visionary applies.

ibemad1 said:
People have been warned about visionary's high chance of bricking over and over again and that they should just use the rage method but they can't seem to get it.
Also: you do realize that the nand lock was to prevent this exact thing: people bricking their phones then returning them hoping to get them replaced. If it doesn't get replaced then you full well deserve it for not reading the countless posts about people bricking their phones using visionary.
First off: are you s-off?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
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I checked and it said S-On and this was in recovery

ddgarcia05 said:
You didn't read the post which said you should not try to install the stock rom?
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ADB doesnt recognize the device in windows and this was also in recovery

Anyone? Bueller?

cwis said:
ADB doesnt recognize the device in windows and this was also in recovery
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Check out the adb guide at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
If you install the HTC Sync software, as mentioned in that guide, that should give you the drivers that you need.

This looks bad. Being that you're new. this can be very bad.
You have three choices:
1: study each thread about Bricking G2.
2:find a more experienced person to help you unbrick your phone.
3:find a very strong magnet and place it on your phone leave it there for an hour and bring it back.

[Q] Is rooting a G2 with GFree safe?(And what should I know before rooting?)

I am getting a G2 in the next few weeks and I'm coming from a rooted G1. I have been reading about the G2 and root ever since the first way to root it was available with VISIONary, but now it seems that we(the community) have found out that the old way to root was unsafe and "fake" and now every one uses GFree. I am planning to root the phone the INSTANT that it is out of the box, just gonna enable debugging in the settings then root it with GFree. Is there anything I should know before rooting with GFree? And how safe is it? Has anyone had any bricks with it? I'm not really a noob to cell phone modding if anyone is wondering, I used to mod Motorola's back in the day before Android was around, and I rooted my G1 the manual way. I already have ADB set up for my G1(the whole Android SDK rather,) so I'm guess that all I have to do is plug in the G2 to the computer and if needed, Windows will install the correct drivers automatically then I can root it with rage and GFree?
And thank you for anyone that helps me!

If you already have ADB set up you will just have to load the drivers for the G2 onto your computer, they easy way would be to just download HTC Sync to your home computer and when you hook the phone up the first time it will install the correct drivers, although the HTC Sync program wont actually work with the G2 because its sense based and the G2 is not it will still install the proper drivers for you. As far a gfree it is the safest way to root your G2, although I havent seen any bricks from the gfree method I have seen a few phones stuck in boot loops but usually theres a fix for it because gfree will usually get the phone to S-off stage before any problems arise.
For more info read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...Subsidy_Unlock.2C_SuperCID.2C_and_Radio_S-OFF
and this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855764
Read the entire thread even if its long it will benefit you in the long run, if you run into any problems more than likely they have already been solved somewhere in the thread. I always read the enitre thread before trying any mods to my phone.

Not to be a debbie downer but you may want to consider waiting a little bit before rooting, unless there is something about the phone that makes it unsuitable for your use out of the box. You may have a problem with the phone, a result of manufacturing problems or damage during shipment that may not show up until you've used it for a bit. My original G1 died a week after I got it, I had to take it back to the store where they gave me a replacement right away (That G1 still works after >2 years of daily use). If your phone is unmodified you will have a much easier time returning or exchanging it if you need to. BTW I waited about 3 weeks before I rooted my G2.
The gfree method is indeed safe, the problem most people seem to have with it is getting ADB working. I have not heard of any bricks with the method, I personally used it on two different G2s (mine and my brothers) and my wifes MyTouch 4G.
If you are already familiar with ADB you are already ahead of the curve. Though even if you have ADB up and running you may well need a different driver before ADB can connect to the G2.
The process is pretty solid and there is a lot of info here in case you run into issues but I don't think that's likely.
BTW when you are at the point where you want to install a recovery you might want to look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902493 if you are a G1 user you are probably already familiar with flash_image.

joemm said:
If you already have ADB set up you will just have to load the drivers for the G2 onto your computer, they easy way would be to just download HTC Sync to your home computer and when you hook the phone up the first time it will install the correct drivers, although the HTC Sync program wont actually work with the G2 because its sense based and the G2 is not it will still install the proper drivers for you. As far a gfree it is the safest way to root your G2, although I havent seen any bricks from the gfree method I have seen a few phones stuck in boot loops but usually theres a fix for it because gfree will usually get the phone to S-off stage before any problems arise.
For more info read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...Subsidy_Unlock.2C_SuperCID.2C_and_Radio_S-OFF
and this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855764
Read the entire thread even if its long it will benefit you in the long run, if you run into any problems more than likely they have already been solved somewhere in the thread. I always read the enitre thread before trying any mods to my phone.
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raitchison said:
Not to be a debbie downer but you may want to consider waiting a little bit before rooting, unless there is something about the phone that makes it unsuitable for your use out of the box. You may have a problem with the phone, a result of manufacturing problems or damage during shipment that may not show up until you've used it for a bit. My original G1 died a week after I got it, I had to take it back to the store where they gave me a replacement right away (That G1 still works after >2 years of daily use). If your phone is unmodified you will have a much easier time returning or exchanging it if you need to. BTW I waited about 3 weeks before I rooted my G2.
The gfree method is indeed safe, the problem most people seem to have with it is getting ADB working. I have not heard of any bricks with the method, I personally used it on two different G2s (mine and my brothers) and my wifes MyTouch 4G.
If you are already familiar with ADB you are already ahead of the curve. Though even if you have ADB up and running you may well need a different driver before ADB can connect to the G2.
The process is pretty solid and there is a lot of info here in case you run into issues but I don't think that's likely.
BTW when you are at the point where you want to install a recovery you might want to look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902493 if you are a G1 user you are probably already familiar with flash_image.
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Ah thanks guys! I'll just follow the instructions in the wiki.

Ok, I have some more questions, if I get stuck in a boot loop when I first root it with GFree then I should be already S-OFF so all I have to do is boot into fastboot and flash CWM to the phone then do a wipe and flash a good ROM? And if so, do I have to flash that new HBOOT that is optional in the XDA Wiki in order to flash the recovery via fastboot? And when I root my phone, I want to jump strait into CM7, so for my first recovery that I flash, can it be the new 3.0+ recovery? Also if I get stuck in the boot loop, can I flash the 3.0+ one then then wipe it and flash a new ROM or does it have to be with the old 2.0 recovery? Sorry for all the questions, I have looked some stuff up myself, but I just want to double check with someone that knows what he's doing or has done it before.

KoolKidsKlub said:
Ok, I have some more questions, if I get stuck in a boot loop when I first root it with GFree then I should be already S-OFF so all I have to do is boot into fastboot and flash CWM to the phone then do a wipe and flash a good ROM? And if so, do I have to flash that new HBOOT that is optional in the XDA Wiki in order to flash the recovery via fastboot? And when I root my phone, I want to jump strait into CM7, so for my first recovery that I flash, can it be the new 3.0+ recovery? Also if I get stuck in the boot loop, can I flash the 3.0+ one then then wipe it and flash a new ROM or does it have to be with the old 2.0 recovery? Sorry for all the questions, I have looked some stuff up myself, but I just want to double check with someone that knows what he's doing or has done it before.
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Yes you need to have the engineering HBOOT to use fastboot to flash your recovery.

raitchison said:
Yes you need to have the engineering HBOOT to use fastboot to flash your recovery.
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Alright, then how would I recover from a boot loop if I just rooted with GFree? Because if I just rooted with GFree, I would have to reboot and it would then get stuck in a boot loop before I could even flash the new HBOOT, right?

raitchison said:
BTW I waited about 3 weeks before I rooted my G2.
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LOLz, I rooted my G2 the night it was shipped to me, probably within the first hour after playing around with the stock setup.

How would I recover from a boot loop if I just rooted with GFree? Because if I just rooted with GFree, I would have to reboot and it would then get stuck in a boot loop before I could even flash the new HBOOT, right? Or with GFree, do you not get a boot loop? From what I have seen, people are getting boot loops if they tried with VISIONary or an older tutorial that uses Rage, as in not the one thats on the Wiki.

All I can say to this thread is that the following guide worked flawlessly for me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2

dustrho said:
All I can say to this thread is that the following guide worked flawlessly for me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2
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Yes, that is the tutorial that I am going to use to root my G2 when I get it, I just want to know if anyone has bricked with it or had a boot loop with it. Has any one? And when it says to install ROM Manager to get the CWM on the phone and do a backup, I just wanted to install the new 3.0+ version of it that DOESN'T come with ROM Manager so I can jump strait to CM7 as my first ROM, can I? I was just going to flash the new 3.0+ recovery with the one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902493

KoolKidsKlub said:
And when it says to install ROM Manager to get the CWM on the phone and do a backup, I just wanted to install the new 3.0+ version of it that DOESN'T come with ROM Manager so I can jump strait to CM7 as my first ROM, can I? I was just going to flash the new 3.0+ recovery with the one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902493
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Yes, after you successfully root your phone you can install CWM 3.0+ and then install CM7 if you want.

dustrho said:
Yes, after you successfully root your phone you can install CWM 3.0+ and then install CM7 if you want.
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Ah alright, thank you! Sorry for all the questions, but I just wanted to be sure; I search everything I want to know before I ask questions. I'm coming from a G1 which is pretty old, you have no idea how excited I am to have a current Android phone that will actually run stuff smoothly, I just don't want to brick it when I first get it.

KoolKidsKlub said:
I am getting a G2 in the next few weeks and I'm coming from a rooted G1.
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I am in the same boat. The new phone is sooo much faster!
joemm said:
the HTC Sync program wont actually work with the G2 because its sense based and the G2 is not it will still install the proper drivers for you.
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Can we uninstall HTC Sync afterwards? Will the drivers stay around?
dustrho said:
Yes, after you successfully root your phone you can install CWM 3.0+ and then install CM7 if you want.
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Cyanogenmod has their own instructions for rooting. Which is safer or more recent?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=TMobile_G2:_Rooting#Gaining_Temporary_Root_Access

endolith said:
I am in the same boat. The new phone is sooo much faster!
Can we uninstall HTC Sync afterwards? Will the drivers stay around?
Cyanogenmod has their own instructions for rooting. Which is safer or more recent?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=TMobile_G2:_Rooting#Gaining_Temporary_Root_Access
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Use the XDA Wiki, I've seen issues with people using the Cyanogen Wiki.
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[Q] Help with semi (maybe full??) Brick G2 after Visionary+

OK before i get SEARCH.. I did and here is what i have looked at so far (i am 3+ hours into my search)...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838484
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842495
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905261
ANd a few others that link back to one of those 3.
This is not my phone. I am helping my buddy who attempted to perma-root his phone using Visionary+ 14. I have an evo, and several other android phones and understand the basics of ADB and how to do most this stuff.
After he applied the patch, we are stuck on the white HTC screen. The problem is, it does NOT have the ENG SPL, we are still s-ON and still have stock recovery.
Here is what i have attempted so far:
download and tried to have it reload PC10IMG.zip - Got an error that said the version i was trying to install was older than the one i already had. I downloaded the latest one i could find.
Since i can get into the stock recovery, i downloaded and tried to use update.zip to reinstall things correctly, but that didnt work. It didnt error out and looked like it installed correctly, but still just stuck at the white HTC screen.
I cannot access ADB (at least any way that i know how).
Yes, i have the correct USB drivers installed and ADB is working as i have accessed it for other phones.
Here is the phone stats:
VISION PVT SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.82.000
MICROP-0425
RADIO-26.03.02.26_m
eMMC-boot
Sep 2 2010, 17:59:38
I cannot find the right RUU to give that a try either. I have found a few that MIGHT be right, but i dont want to mess it up more by flashing the wrong thing (if this would even help.. i dunno)
ANY HELP WOULD BE REALLY APPRECIATED!!!!

Anyone?? Help????

frettfreak said:
this is why people post in the dev forum when they arent supposed to.... cause NOTHING happens if you post in q&a...
Anyone?? Help????
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You only posted a few hours ago. On a weekend. Might want to be a little more patient than that...
And you stated you have S-OFF? But not the engineering HBOOT? So were you using Visionary to temproot and then used gfree to get S-OFF? If so, you should be able to flash a custom PC10IMG with the radio removed (so it doesn't check for the version number). I know there is a thread containing one made by Hot_Hands that some people have used.
Or did you actually mean you had S-ON and that was just a typo? If that's the case, you're at the same point as a lot of others who have semi-bricked their device with Visionary (there are lots of threads out there with people describing this exact situation---phone had the OTA already, still S-ON, no ADB access, stuck at the HTC screen). Don't think anyone's come up with a solution yet. Most are just waiting and hoping that an RUU of 1.22 comes out at some point.
And just to make sure, you tried leaving the phone on for a while before connecting with ADB? And ADB didn't work in recovery either?

ianmcquinn said:
You only posted a few hours ago. On a weekend. Might want to be a little more patient than that...
And you stated you have S-OFF? But not the engineering HBOOT? So were you using Visionary to temproot and then used gfree to get S-OFF? If so, you should be able to flash a custom PC10IMG with the radio removed (so it doesn't check for the version number). I know there is a thread containing one made by Hot_Hands that some people have used.
Or did you actually mean you had S-ON and that was just a typo? If that's the case, you're at the same point as a lot of others who have semi-bricked their device with Visionary (there are lots of threads out there with people describing this exact situation---phone had the OTA already, still S-ON, no ADB access, stuck at the HTC screen). Don't think anyone's come up with a solution yet. Most are just waiting and hoping that an RUU of 1.22 comes out at some point.
And just to make sure, you tried leaving the phone on for a while before connecting with ADB? And ADB didn't work in recovery either?
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Good point!! Sorry.. just a little anxious. Dont want to tell him his phone is bricked....
Also... maybe no one responded cause i am a tard.... its s-ON still, not S-OFF
And just to make sure, you tried leaving the phone on for a while before connecting with ADB? And ADB didn't work in recovery either?
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you mean leave it on the white HTC screen for a while? What is a while? I left it for a minute or 2 then tried and no dice... you think longer? Also, no ADB when in recovery (i think this is because its stock recovery maybe??)
i DO have access to fastboot (i think) but not sure if this gives us any where to go with it??
Sorry for the confusion and pushy-ness and thanks for your help!

frettfreak said:
you mean leave it on the white HTC screen for a while? What is a while? I left it for a minute or 2 then tried and no dice... you think longer? Also, no ADB when in recovery (i think this is because its stock recovery maybe??)
i DO have access to fastboot (i think) but not sure if this gives us any where to go with it??
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Well, like I said before, this is the type of semi-brick that people seem to be stuck in when Visionary fails and I haven't seen a working solution. When I said to leave it at the HTC screen, it was just something mentioned in the how to recover semi-brick thread you linked to in the original post. Unfortunately, if that didn't work, you might by out of options.
EDIT: And oh, I forgot to mention about fastboot. Although it might seem like fastboot detects the phone properly, you cannot actually use it to flash anything unless you have the engineering HBOOT, so that doesn't help any.

Maybe geting the orginal stock rom and flash it through bootloader
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lainvalenajr said:
Maybe geting the orginal stock rom and flash it through bootloader
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Hmmm how do I do that? Is there a different way other than adb? I will check again but pretty sure I don't have adb access (I think this is what the eng spl does but I am just guessing here) does fastboot allow Me to do anything like that?