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[Q] Question about Flashing

Hi, I've got a Motorola Defy in Argentina (Carrier: Personal, means telecom). Well, I want to Root it, I've tryied z4mod, the ADB Method, 1 click, etc, and I still got the message "The application xxxx needs root user permissions", btw I have the Root (#) console in "adb shell", but I can't move files to /system/media (whit "AndExplorer" from mobile). Do I have to mount the FS there??
I've got the "Superuser" app working, and some applications whit "Root permissions" (because I've checked Remember my answer on the Popup when the app needs root privilegies)
Im a little bit confused because the version is not similar that you use here.
Version Number: JORLA_U3_6.14.7
Firmware version: 2.1-update1
So, I want to root it, and maybe upgrade to Froyo, but that questions make me scared (specially if i brick it).
What should I do?
PS: I've made a "Backup" with SystemRecovery app. This backup will work if I want to back my firmware to the stock one? (forgive the apps, I don't care).

Nobody can guarantee your backup will work, but it's a risk you'll have to take if you want to hack.
According to my search, your carrier uses UMTS 850 / 1900. This means you could have a different baseband firmware than the T-Mobile users here, and definitely different from the European users. The problem is, the only SBF files available are for European 900/2100.
So first things first, take a nandroid backup from the custom bootstrap recovery if you can get that working. Back up those files somewhere safe.
Read about the "3g fix". There is a folder containing the baseband firmware files, and you'll want to back those up in case you lose 3g on a custom ROM.
If your phone becomes unbootable, you'll have to flash an SBF to boot it, *then* root it again, install custom recovery again, and finally restore the nandroid backup.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Ok, thanks for the info. I've tryied to do a "nandroid backup" with the upgrade.zip stuff, but it just restarts and do nothing. I can't see any changes on my SDcard.
BTW, how I can run a .apk as root? (I want the AndExplorer to be root so I can copy some stuff to /system). I've got actually a root (#) terminal in adb shell and in Terminal emulator (via command su).
Thanks

cocus said:
Ok, thanks for the info. I've tryied to do a "nandroid backup" with the upgrade.zip stuff, but it just restarts and do nothing. I can't see any changes on my SDcard.
BTW, how I can run a .apk as root? (I want the AndExplorer to be root so I can copy some stuff to /system). I've got actually a root (#) terminal in adb shell and in Terminal emulator (via command su).
Thanks
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How are you attempting to do this backup?
You need to download the bootstrap custom recovery, and use that to boot into the recovery menu. From there you go into backup/restore.
If you have successfully rooted your phone, then all apps have the opportunity to run as root. They should be able to make the request via Superuser Permissions, which would then prompt you.

Ok, but the bootstrap custom recovery is for 2.51 or similar firmware numbers, I've got 6.14. So, I really didn't test because I don't have experience with this things and I don't want to screw up all.
I tell you, for example, the Terminal Emulator runs on root when I run "su": Android requested Superuser permissions to me, and I ticked remember option, and now I can run "su" without the Superuser request.
BTW, I've got a root shell on adb (when I reboot the phone, I loose the root ). That means that is rooted??? (Got it using RATC)

Well, either it's compatible or it's not. If the bootstrap makes your phone unbootable... I guess you'll have to try for a warranty claim
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Hahaha, I like to flash things and understand how it works, but in this case, I would prefer not screw nothing. Btw, I've buyed it on 15/jan.
So, for my other question the Terminal Emulator runs on root when I run "su": Android requested Superuser permissions to me, and I ticked remember option, and now I can run "su" without the Superuser request.
But when I restart the phone, I loose the # on "adb shell".
BTW, I've found the open source code of an earlier version of my defy on
opensource.motorola.com/sf/go/projects.moto_defy/frs.defy_latam
Anyone knowns how to compile this? I've got Debian lenny, Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu 10.10.
Thanks

Compiling a ROM yourself won't help if you can't sign it with Motorola's key. Yay locked bootloader...
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Cocus,
I got the same phone as yours. Also from Personal.
And I am on the same situation, want to flash it, but not to brick it.
Let me know if you find out something ...

Hi, yes you can contact me via PM & I will send all the stuff that I've got. But I only get the rootshell via RageAgainstTheCage. When you reboot it you loose it, but you can use "su" or "rootshell" to get it again.
Now Im playing with C and C++ native code, with the ndk and sdk (no java ). Contact me

z4root worked in argentine (Latin American) defy.
Hi
I have a Motorola Defy like yours , (in Argentina - Carrier: Personal ).
I have rooted successfully using z4root 1.3.0 , that you can get from this post (look attached file at end ):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953
With z4root 1.3 you have the option of get root temporarily or permanent. The first one doesn't works for me ( no errors but no root ). The permanent root yes, works like a charm .

Hi, It seems that is not working for me... I've touched the permanent option, it restarted and the z4root says that is rooted, but I haven't the root console in adb shell, neither the apps run as root.
Edit: If I try to run "su" on the non-root console($) it says "Permission denied". But, running "rootshell" from RATC, it gives me a root shell.

[Q] I'm having a problem perma rooting

I can't find a solution to this from searching the forums so i'm just gonna ask.
I'm using the gfree method via adb. i'm getting all the way through it without any problems untill i get to the "lock in" root section.
I get the error message that the wiki says should get and then ignore, but i also get another message that says something like
"cp: can't stat '/sdcard/su' : no such file or directory"
any help with this would be appreciated.
also, are all the bad things i've heard about visionary true? should i go ahead and root with visionary, or keep trying this way? thanks

I just checked and it says I'm s-off. I'm very confused.
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Well first ill tell u Visionary worked for me in like 10 minutes time. Very easy n very fast. Not true what they say. If u got s-off, good. Ur almost there. Have to check out gfree method quik in order to help u. Hold up
G2 with ExtraHotSauce v0.2!!

What guide are you using, the one on the Wiki doesn't have you copy (cp) anything.
is this the command where you run into the problem?
/data/local/tmp/root
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This is running a script to lock in root, you already ran gfree while you were temp rooted so that's why you are S-OFF.
Do you have the "su" file on the root of your SD card?
You should be able to retry everything but the gfree part.
As for Visionary, some people report success but other have reported big problems. I found the gfree method to work pretty well, even though I used Visionary when I was temp-rooting (when I just got my phone) when I permarooted I used the gfree method.

raitchison said:
What guide are you using, the one on the Wiki doesn't have you copy (cp) anything.
is this the command where you run into the problem?
This is running a script to lock in root, you already ran gfree while you were temp rooted so that's why you are S-OFF.
Do you have the "su" file on the root of your SD card?
You should be able to retry everything but the gfree part.
As for Visionary, some people report success but other have reported big problems. I found the gfree method to work pretty well, even though I used Visionary when I was temp-rooting (when I just got my phone) when I permarooted I used the gfree method.
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yes, that is the command that is giving me problems. i checked my sd card and superuser.apk is at the root of it.
when you say retry everything what exactly would i retry? i'm at work, and don't have access to adb. do i need adb to "retry"

so, there are two different guides that perm root. the first is the wiki and this is the one that i was following. the other has almost the exact same steps except it has the wpthis file. i guess when i get home i'll try the other method and see if it works. thanks for everone's help

no its a 2 step procedure maybe you should go ahead and unroot and s-on then go ahead and re root. if not you can still re run everything start off with temp root then go ahead and lock in the perma root

thenaut said:
yes, that is the command that is giving me problems. i checked my sd card and superuser.apk is at the root of it.
when you say retry everything what exactly would i retry? i'm at work, and don't have access to adb. do i need adb to "retry"
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You should have both Superuser.apk and su on the root of your SD card. Either push it from your computer again (first command in the wiki):
Code:
adb push su /sdcard/su
Or just copy it to your SD card (be sure to unmount the card when done). Then re-run the root script in terminal.

that totally did it. I pushed the su file and re ran the script and i got root. it's wierd because i thought i pushed it the first time but i guess not. anyway, thanks

[Q] Problems unrooting and flashing desire z

Hi all,
I have had my htc desire z for about two weeks now, But since i have had my phone i've been having a few problems.
I had rooted my phone using visionary +. And all was going well untill i was trying to install setcpu to overclock my cpu. After installation my phone rebooted and now every thing that i need root access for is showing up as not accessable.
Busybox installer error message:
Your phone is roote
Busybox not found
The application failed, either because your device is not nand unlocked or we were unable to remount.
Rom manager error message:
An error occured while attempting to run priviledged commands!
Is it possible(if yes, how) to unroot and flash my desire back to stock settings including the permissions back to stock.
If not how can i root my phone so i can use all of the fuctions
Regarding the phone info the spaces are actually . but the system will not allow me to enter these as of yet
Thanks in advance
All the best
Gaz

I forgot to mension in the last post that i have expiriance with mobile phone's and flashing so i'm not affraid to tackle big complicated ways of undoing the process.

It sounds like maybe you only had temp root.
Did you also do gfree? I did Visionary and gfree, and perm rooted just fine.
However, many on here believe the rage + gfree method is safer, as Visionary has been known to create some semi-bricks. I don't THINK there is any harm in doing rage + gfree at this point, but others on here can probably enlighten.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD

I tried using root checker to find the issue. It came back with an error message telling me the SU binary was not found in the correct path. I used terminal emulator to try to locate the file but with no success. Any ideas on how to find and move the binary su???

What's displayed on your screen after reboot in recovery?
As in; remove battery, insert battery, hold volume down and power button.

It will not reboot in to root. It runs Visionary and nothing happens.
And when i try to open an app that need root access it fails because it cannot gain permission from superuser. At this point i have tried to unistall all apps that had anything to do with rooting my phone but still no succes. I need to find the stock SU Binary

[Q] Have I managed Perm Root with this much ease? Visionary+ Question

About 3 hours ago, I won a Desire Z (wheeey!) at the HTC London meetup. Naturally, I came straight here after the help I got in January rooting my Desire.
I used the Visionary method and obtained temp root status, and then attempted perm root, which seemed to work. All of the guides I have read include a bunch of steps after this, one of which included deleting Visionary, which I then did. I just turned the phone off, took the battery out for a bit and then turned it back on. I still have the Superuser icon and the Terminal Emulator indicates that I have root access... is that it then? It's that simple?
Please tell me if I've done anything wrong, as I don't want to flash Cyanogen and Clockwork Recovery if it's all going to go to hell on me. Any advice or confirmation on whether or not I've obtained perm root would be lovely.
Oh, my firmware version is 1.34.405... etc. Is this simply the last version which allows for such easy root?

Arconaught said:
About 3 hours ago, I won a Desire Z (wheeey!) at the HTC London meetup. Naturally, I came straight here after the help I got in January rooting my Desire.
I used the Visionary method and obtained temp root status, and then attempted perm root, which seemed to work. All of the guides I have read include a bunch of steps after this, one of which included deleting Visionary, which I then did. I just turned the phone off, took the battery out for a bit and then turned it back on. I still have the Superuser icon and the Terminal Emulator indicates that I have root access... is that it then? It's that simple?
Please tell me if I've done anything wrong, as I don't want to flash Cyanogen and Clockwork Recovery if it's all going to go to hell on me. Any advice or confirmation on whether or not I've obtained perm root would be lovely.
Oh, my firmware version is 1.34.405... etc. Is this simply the last version which allows for such easy root?
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Having the SuperUser icon just means the app is installed, open up terminal and type 'su' to see if it throws up any errors
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I should have mentioned that I did that and got the # symbol, am I good to go?

Arconaught said:
I should have mentioned that I did that and got the # symbol, am I good to go?
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In theory, yes; in practice, no. Visionary (with the G2/Desire Z, at least) is known to be a bit buggy. You shouldn't have any issues installing custom ROMs but, I would recommend using the wiki method to root.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

OriginalGabriel said:
In theory, yes; in practice, no. Visionary (with the G2/Desire Z, at least) is known to be a bit buggy. You shouldn't have any issues installing custom ROMs but, I would recommend using the wiki method to root.
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My understanding, if he already used Visionary to root, and it worked than he should be good to go. Either it works, or it doesn't. The risk with Visionary is that it sometimes corrupts some partitions, which causes the phone to not boot. I haven't read any conclusive reports on Visionary causing long term issues (correct me if I'm wrong).

redpoint73 said:
My understanding, if he already used Visionary to root, and it worked than he should be good to go. Either it works, or it doesn't. The risk with Visionary is that it sometimes corrupts some partitions, which causes the phone to not boot. I haven't read any conclusive reports on Visionary causing long term issues (correct me if I'm wrong).
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This is my understanding as well, though I'd probably still use GFREE to get S-OFF if I were OP.

That's my next question, I'm using this guide ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2 ) to try and get S-Off to flash Cyanogen and I'm wondering what step to start on, assuming from your replies that I'm rooted already.
I know it's a bit of a dumb question, but I just don't wanna fudge my new phone.

Arconaught said:
That's my next question, I'm using this guide ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2 ) to try and get S-Off to flash Cyanogen and I'm wondering what step to start on, assuming from your replies that I'm rooted already.
I know it's a bit of a dumb question, but I just don't wanna fudge my new phone.
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I used the wiki method myself, those that used other methods (like Visionary) and were told to root via the wiki seem to have all just started at the beginning, from what I've read.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Arconaught said:
That's my next question, I'm using this guide ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2 ) to try and get S-Off to flash Cyanogen and I'm wondering what step to start on, assuming from your replies that I'm rooted already.
I know it's a bit of a dumb question, but I just don't wanna fudge my new phone.
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Whoa the Wiki method is completely different, looks like it was rewritten on 04/01.
You can completely ignore the temp rooting steps and concentrate on the gfree steps
From the "Necessary Files" section you need gfree, flash_image and ClockWorkMod Recovery
I would use the latest ClockWorkMod recovery rather than the one listed on the Wiki:
http://mirrorbrain.cyanogenmod.com/cm/recoveries/recovery-clockwork-3.0.2.4-vision.img (of course it's only the latest as of the time of this writing)
From step 2 you need to use:
Code:
$ adb push gfree /data/local/tmp/
$ adb push flash_image /data/local/tmp/
From step 2.a you need to use:
Code:
$ adb push recovery-clockwork-3.0.2.4-vision.img /data/local/tmp/recovery.img
Again note that the file name for CWM will depend on the version of CWM you are using.
Skip to step 4.b you need to use:
Code:
# cd /data/local/tmp
# ./gfree -f
# ./flash_image recovery recovery.img
# sync
Continue on as normal from here.
I skipped the temp root and perm root sections as you are already perm root.
I also skipped the ENG HBOOT parts, since that's not strictly necessary and the most risky part of the whole process (one mistake can result in a brick). If you want to flash the ENG HBOOT you would need to follow steps 4.a instead of 4.b, (you would also need the necessary HBOOT of course) the only command you need to omit from 4.a or 4.b is "# ./root_psn" which is the script which establishes permanent root.

Thanks a lot so far man, but I'm still stuck. I have adb, when I open it in the SDK, it flows for a bit, then closes. This is right, right? I'm meant to do all of these prompts via the cmd window?

OK, I've now sorted adb, but I can't get anything to work past that. Nothing will transfer to my phone and I'm going to kill... somebody.

Arconaught said:
OK, I've now sorted adb, but I can't get anything to work past that. Nothing will transfer to my phone and I'm going to kill... somebody.
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You say you've sorted adb, but can you be more specific please ? What works and what doesn't work exactly ?

Ah, yeah, sorry. I got to the point where when I type in "adb devices" in the command window, it shows me my phone, with the serial number and whatnot. However, whenever i try the command:
$ adb push gfree /data/local/tmp/
It just won't work. I have all the files together in my desktop at the moment, having moved them from the downloads folder on my laptop. Is there a specific place I should have the stuff I need to send to my phone?

There is a great write up here about getting adb working. It sounds like either you didn't set up a "path" to use those commands anywhere or if you don't want to do that make sure your files are in the same folder as your adb.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Arconaught said:
Ah, yeah, sorry. I got to the point where when I type in "adb devices" in the command window, it shows me my phone, with the serial number and whatnot. However, whenever i try the command:
$ adb push gfree /data/local/tmp/
It just won't work. I have all the files together in my desktop at the moment, having moved them from the downloads folder on my laptop. Is there a specific place I should have the stuff I need to send to my phone?
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You need to have the files (extracted from the ZIP files you downloaded) in the same folder you run the ADB commands, if your ADB is in your path you should be able to run ADB commands from any folder.
To summarize you need to extract all the zips you downloaded under necessary files, all to the same folder. The open a command prompt and CD to that folder before you start using your adb push commands.

shortlived said:
There is a great write up here about getting adb working.
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Yeah, steviewevie wrote it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
But it looks like he is willing to give the OP some personalized help.

Right, thanks guys, I think I'm making some progress.
ADB is all set up, and as far as I'm aware, having:
program files > android sdk > platform tools
on my path should mean I can open adb from anywhere right? I have all of the extracted files in platform tools, where adb is, in my program files... is this right, or have I completely missed the point here?
I keep getting "cannot stat 'gfree':: No such file or directory"
Sorry, I seem really stupid concerning this whole thing, but I'm sure it's something equally obvious that I'm just not seeing.

New problem. I worked out what I'd done wrong there, and got everything onto my phone. However, when trying to change the directory to /data/local/tmp, I keep getting "The system cannot find the path specified"
Now what am I doing wrong?

Arconaught said:
New problem. I worked out what I'd done wrong there, and got everything onto my phone. However, when trying to change the directory to /data/local/tmp, I keep getting "The system cannot find the path specified"
Now what am I doing wrong?
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Remember you are running those commands (everything in that section) from an ADB shell, not from the Windows command prompt.

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly do you mean by that? What should I do?

Rooting Hell Since 4.2.1

So I usually use the toolkit to root, in fact I have been for many versions now.
However with the installation of 4.2.1 I haven't been able to root at all. I use the toolkit in the same way but it simply doesn't root the phone.
So today I tried the manual way. I downloaded and installed SDK tools from google navigated to the adb folder and went through the commands. Everything seemed to go okay apart from when I typed adb shell chmod 06755 /system/bin/su. The command window did nothing.
I carried on and typed adb shell chmod 06755 /system/app/Superuser.apk, when it said "bad command" or something similar.
Rebooted the phone, no root... still.
However the Superuser app is there. So:
1) How do I delete the superuser app, bearing in mind it has system permissions. I'd like to simply start again.
2) I don't have CW recovery installed and would prefer not to bother with it if I can.
3) Just to confirm, when I root the phone, does that allow me to delete files in the /system/app folder?
4) Following this guide on rooting manually. Is that all alright?
5) In a couple of sentences, can someone explain rooting to me? From what I understood, rooting simply opens up the phone to allow access to everywhere, where you can copy and delete files, or apks.
6) If 5 is true, when following the rooting guide (4), which command am I actually telling the system to run as root? Is it simply the "root" command?
7) If 6 is true, how come when I re-boot, the phone won't let me delete things from the system/app folder?
Thanks for any help.

1) stop using a toolkit, and no you didnt root the manual way.
2) download this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053 - its supersu, superuser is unreliable on 4.2+
3) fastboot flash a recovery
4) flash the supersu.zip
5) done.

Sorry, I should have explained the Su app is SuperSU.
Just gave it another go using a manual toolkit but still no root access. I also now have an su.apk, superuser.apk (SuperSU) and a su file. Need to delete them all.
What do you mean by "fastboot flash a recovery"? You mean flash a new recovery centre like CW?
Don't these superuser apps just manage app permissions? They don't actually enable the root access do they?
Thanks

anotherxdauser said:
Sorry, I should have explained the Su app is SuperSU.
Just gave it another go using a manual toolkit but still no root access. I also now have an su.apk, superuser.apk (SuperSU) and a su file. Need to delete them all.
What do you mean by "fastboot flash a recovery"? You mean flash a new recovery centre like CW?
Thanks
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follow this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058

Quick Q...
If I flash a 4.2.1 system.img to the phone, it will replace what exactly?
I'm thinking this might be a way to get rid of the root apps which are protected and allow me to update to 4.2.2, THEN look at manually rooting.

anotherxdauser said:
Quick Q...
If I flash a 4.2.1 system.img to the phone, it will replace what exactly?
I'm thinking this might be a way to get rid of the root apps which are protected and allow me to update to 4.2.2, THEN look at manually rooting.
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it replaces anything in /system... basically the OS.