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I mean, what will I lose if I choose to use a rom without sense?
Do I get less battery drain?
you'll lose:
Sense Launcher, Sense Widgets - this can be fully replaced by Launcher Plus Pro, or, if you don't like the look of Sense Widgets by ADW.Launcher
Sense programs, like mail, calendar, ...
FM Radio
HTC Sync - you won't be able to sync your Desire calendar with Outlook directly any longer. You'll have to buy third party software to do this via the Google cloud or you use an Exchange Server.
Because the HTC Froyo source got released now, as it seems, you'll also be able to undervolt Sense ROMs now.
However, non Sense ROMs are lighter, more customized and contain some essential features which I miss on Sense ROMs: Bluetooth HID support.
Why get rid of sense?, its amazing!!!
you will also loose htc dialer and htc contacts
I love sense because of the widgets I keep it for that.
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Agreed. I love everything about sense. It makes the phone great. If I wanted senseless I could have bought an N1.
Sense is the reason desire is the best smart phone! I would not dream having a smartphone without it...
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Sense is very nice but I see that there are many roms that don't contain it. So, I was wondering if it realy is neasecery, or what is better in a non-sense rom, and if a non-sense rom is less hungry for battery
I have two Desires - one has a Sense ROM and the other is running CyanogenMod. There are one or two small things I prefer about the CyanogenMod ROM, but a great deal more I prefer about Sense, but there are others on this forum who will tell you the opposite, and be equally correct because it is just an opinion.
One thing I will say though is that you will often hear that non-Sense ROMs are "faster" than Sense ROMs. In my experience, if there is a speed difference, you can only really tell in benchmarks - in general use I feel my Sense phone is every bit as fast as my CyanogenMod phone. The same is true on battery life - both seem to sip about the same amount of power.
I don't think there is any real alternative other than trying out a non-Sense ROM for yourself and making your own choice.
Regards,
Dave
You can undervolt Sense roms of course. Also now with S-Off you can remove the Sense apps you dont need easily from the phone.
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
Respect to all the rom makers Sense or non.Sense.
Thanks for all the responses, you helped a lot =]
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After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
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Mhh, something wasn't working properly then. With very light use I can also get 3 days battery life.
Else it's difficult to compare, because it heavily depends on how you use the phone. Playing around, surfing, ... drastically reduces battery life.
However, at the moment I use DeFroST 5.0 with HAVS kernel and the battery life looks perfect to me.
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Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
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Should be fixed now. AOSP roms had a few issues, but at it seems as if they're ironed out.
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Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
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Somehow true, sometimes, but sense roms also have bugs often, and a not working revision, which gets fixed in the next release.
So if you want a stable ROM use the stock. If you want some customization, use a custom sense rom. If you don't use sense features, replaced it with other apps/widgets/tools, and need some AOSP rom features, then get an AOSP rom.
i dont have a Desire atm, but i plan on getting one soon (or possibly the DHD). I like sense, especially the new one which allows you to theme it. But something i've noticed with sense compared to stock is that HTC have removed a lot of animations. Like when opening an app or closing it. It instantly opens or closes with no animation. Stock android has a sort of zoom in zoom out animations.
From what i understand, HTC have set the options to "Some animations" in the settings by default. Could someone here go into Settings, Sound and Display, Animations, and set it to All Animations and report here if they see any changes?
htc contacts, gallery , dialer , camera and video , radio, weather ,friendstream are light years and galaxies far away from the aosp android ones...
...Since the last Poll started a long time ago, I thought it would be nice to see whats the most favorite Rom on the market at the moment.
So please vote for your Rom and maybe describe your choice...
CyanogenMod Nightly here as my sig says.
oxygen rom
i prefer AOSP roms
Still the wrong forum, has nothing to do with Development....
Oxygen ROM. It's best for me.
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Still the wrong forum, has nothing to do with Development....
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i would say it has to do with development in the aspect that we can see what roms are most used and that might help the developers deside what ppl want in there roms and maybe add some features that other roms have to there´s to get it more popular.
would also help new ppl decide what rom to take since they will prolly start with the one most ppl use couse that must be allround good and pretty general appealing also it gives a better oversight of what roms that there are.
I use Defrost now cause I like the AOSP Rom, but when I do use Sense, it's LeeDroid All the way..
Both are super stable, have almost all features people require, and if they dont, the dev's are usually able to include it within a couple releases. Also, both dev's spend alot of time interacting with the communities on the forums, which is a great sign of ANY rom!
My own Rom Based on the HTC Stock Froyo 2.10.405.2...
Many of us been using leedroid... I wish there's a leedroid version of non sense super fast stable rom... hope oxygen makes it perfect ^^ i love everything about non sense, but sense dialer is just owning...
I'm running LeeDroid 2.2f because for me, it's a good ratio of classic HTC Sense feeling to root and modding options. Or, to put it like this: It allows me to use all the good things about Sense without restricting me too much. Perfect for a user who, like me, is pretty new to Android.
My prerequisites are sense, UI close to stock, normal battery consumption, a2sd+ and UVOC.I have tried the following over the past couple of weeks:
Leedroid 2.2f- too much bloatware, monstrous battery consumption but the most reliable
dj droid 1.8 - closest to stock, has battery z mod, stable, doesn't have OC, a2sd doesn't function properly.
AuraXTSense 8.0- I'm sticking with this one, it is not bloated, a2sd+ works, fast. Clock with weather widget acts strange but working most of the time. I wouldn't call it unreliable but I managed to freeze it two times [email protected]
Cyanogen 6.0.2. - no sense.
Rom by ieftm - I was planning of sticking with this but it needs to get fixed. One time it installs properly, the other I'm in a boot loop. Changing between recoveries doesn't help here.
Hope this helps.
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I`m running CM 6.0.2 because i like Stock Android and it suits me fine...
I use Leedroid 2.2 f as Outlook sync is needed. It's very stable, fast and frugal with SetCPU and Juice Defender configured.
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I tried the rest but stuck to the best Leedroid wins hands down
Oxxxxxyyyyygggggeeeennnn FTW!
Really, it's a good AOSP ROM.
gotta be defrost, fast reliable, and always updates!
after having tried almost all roms here around now I'm still (more than a month) with Ox
latest beta (0.2.2) is very fast & stable
Running MyTouch 4G.. or Robociks other great roms. Works smooth and well.
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I'm using LeeDroid, in part because it's close to what i was moving from and because i also sync with Outlook. I've not yet been brave enough to remove Sense completely, as i'm guessing the HTC sync will go with it.
originally i used sense roms and tried various others (had to go back to sense as aosp roms stuttered and were laggy in comparison for me with 7 full screens). now i go between open desire, oxygen and miui (but with zeam launcher).
really at this point, it's a toss up between the latter 2 - at least until gingerbread comes out
Which one to go for? Do you think sense is a bit of a bloatware and slows the system down?
Thoughts and opinions appreciated?
Ford or Honda?
what do you do with your phone? Do you want/need social networking that is always there? ......could go on and on.
This is a stupid question, read more
Hi dhiral.v
dhiral.v said:
Which one to go for? Do you think sense is a bit of a bloatware and slows the system down?
Thoughts and opinions appreciated?
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It does seem to have a lot of bloat, but I could not say it slow the system down.
But the Sense Rom approx 240MB, where as CM7 Nightly is approx 80MB, IMO it a No Brainer.
Take Care
TheQuest
It isn’t a good question, because it is preference related. You should try both and decide by yourself.
Imo, sense has good things (like camera app, phone app, browser "windows", keyboad) but most part is pure bloatware. So i decided for cm and i'm not able to back sense again.
But of course, it's only my opinion. A LOT people would say i'm wrong...
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try it for your self mate
ive been a sense user and a cyanogen user
but now im sticking to cyanogen
it really depends on your taste mate
Like the guys above said you should give each one a try before coming to a opinion
.I for one like the social aspect of sense but then DSP in CM is to die for .
Sense roms have better intergration with Facebook and the like. Not a problem for my self as I don't use social networks, but was for my missus. While sense roms are nice they do feel bloated compared to cm and they lack the configurations options of cm too.
Depends on what you want really, try both and see how you go. Nandroid and titanium backup are your friends.
For what it's worth, I always end up going back to a SENSE rom...
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For what it's worth, I always end up going back to a SENSE rom...
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And i always end up back on no sense, CyanogenMod i like Mikes work, with his Revolution HD ROM/s, so check them out from time to time as well
Once you see how easy installing and backing up an installation is you will be a ROM addicts in no time
And then you can start playing with themes. there is some good work here done with that as well.
Used cm7 for a week or so. I kept going back to sense roms, bot for the social integration, but because to me, it simply looks much better, and the layout is nice, and the HTC apps are much better for me, than their aosp counterparts.
Gallery, camera, browser, keyboard, messaging, connected media, the themes themselves for me are better functioning, and better looking than the cm7 counterparts.
Sense widgets are nicely made also.
You should try them both and see which you like, it's all preference.
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You have to give them a try!
I like changing ROM often: up to now I like and use a lot the Spike_M ROM that is a lighter version of cynogenmod, fast and smooth. It needs a few to be totally gingerbread.
Otherwise I use Android Revolution 3.2 that is a stock ROM but incredibly fast, stable and long lastng battery (maybe is the best all over). I've to say I like many Sense widget and do not totally dislike the beautifull integration with socials and messaging. HTC is born with touchflo and now with sense. For sure the stock rom gives a sense to the phone itself.
In a few word?
Try....
Ah a very nice question I wanted to ask myself... I started with the xperia x10 and am now with the HTC HD2 forum... there are so many roms available for my HD2
Okay comparing the two ... I would say the integration, look and overall feel of having a sense rom makes me actually like my phone...
Cons.... battery life could be better... I get about 9hrs daily with heavy usage on mornings and evenings before having to charge again
My experience with sense roms are good, but every now and again I get slowdowns. Does this happen with cyanogenMod?
CM is awesome and would be running it on my inspire if the stock htc music player worked on it lol. Sucks cause that's the only reason I just can't make the move lol I love the srs sound on my inspire . So like others have said it ends up coming down to what ya like.
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i vote for cyanogenmod
ull only like a few appls on sense like the camera app,social network site integration and the HTC KEYBOARD with arrows other then that its all crap.
that's what CM lacks atm. stock camera is not that good and keyboard aint that good.
Camera app of sense + keyboard of sense +FB htc sense+ CM = perfection
CoreDroid is also woth try...
if u wan froyo go for Android Revolution HD 3.3
n if u want gingerbread try CoreDroid HD GB 2.3.3 V4.8
Having a lot of choice is a much better problem than having no choice
Anyways, I'm a big fan of SENSE. I love the way they have integrated all the social media. Especially for me, since I don't visit facebook often. So I love the fact that updates are pushed to me.
Anycase, if you are into a lot of social hubs, then Sense People app is worth its salt. I also like the level of polish Sense brings on top of android.
However, if you are a purist ( as many over here are ), go with cynogen.
However, I believe the Cynogen Mod's battery life is not as good as some of the "SENSE" based ROMS, like Leedroid or revo series (Correct me if I'm wrong!).
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However, I believe the Cynogen Mod's battery life is not as good as some of the "SENSE" based ROMS, like Leedroid or revo series (Correct me if I'm wrong!).
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yes found the sense roms are easier on the battery so far, but CyanMod have improved in this section a fair way in recent months
I had my Desire for about a year now, and i tried lots of ROM's all from Sense, AOSP to MIUI,
but haven't could decide me of which one i should choose.
I'm not the biggest fan of miui, it's smooth but it's iphonish...
I like lot of the aosp rom's, because of the 'cleanness' and speed.
Sense looks nice but is a bit slow I think, but thats just my opinion.
Have u any suggestions for either a fast sense rom or anything?
I tried most ROM's here on XDA, but i'm always coming back to Oxygen.
300mb+ free space on NAND after system flash ftw. also speed.
Here's my opinions on the different types of roms. MIUI is iphonish yes but it is AOSP and runs really well. Out of the pure AOSP roms, I prefer CM7. The stuff that has been added to it is awesome. It's smooth, stable (avoid the early releases of CM7). Currently though, I am using AceSMod Lite. I found that this AceSMod is a pretty stable and the best battery life rom out of all the Sense roms. I have pretty much tried all roms except the pure Sense 3 roms.
At the end of the day, it's just best to try out all the roms and see which you like the best. There is no "the best" rom out there. They are all different from each other.
More and more Roms, whether they are sense-based, AOSP or MIUI, become very similar, with the main (marginal) differences lie in :
included or excluded apps (especially for Sense roms important: htc bloatware ftw?)
the activity of the developer (-team)
boot flash
hboot layout
Technically most of them use the same kernel (snq anyone?), the same scripts for a2sd (or forks thereof) and such.
So, as you may have noticed already, in the end it's all up to personal preference. I've been trying a lot of roms myself, and usually end up with GingerVillain again.
Why? I like its clean and light set up, the OTA app for upgrading & mods and because I've been running Richard Trip's Roms when defrost was released.
(with included acknowledgement of the CM7 dev team ofc! )
Regarding sense roms, I used SGBS (sense 2.1) for a while and InsertCoin.
AuraxTremeGinger on Oxygenr2 hboot with LauncherPro is the best by far for me. I have sticked with it the longest period of time after flashing all kinds of stuff. It could be a little smoother as it is based on leak, but the stability is epic. So I have created myself fast, reliable ui with lots and lots of space. In your face aosp
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So I have created myself ...
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That's what it's all about in the end: personal user experience with a phone, what's beneath it - sense, aosp, miui, whatever - doesn't matter all that much, as long as it works for you.
Another one here running GingerVillain 2.7
Was the first ROM I tried and loved it from the start. I added Launcher Pro to it the other day because the home screens were a bit sticky, and now it's running lightning fast!
Love the fact that it has the CM7 tweaks in it and LP adds even more options.
So glad I rooted my phone.
Personal preference comes down to it does
Also, many threads of this exact topic there are
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Totally agree with meaple. Except for the fact about sense roms, have not tried any them very long, because I like the cleanness of aosp roms like oxygen and redux. This is why I stay with oxygen at the moment (redux gets since nearly three months). Seems to be perfect for me. Also tried cm7, but it has too much hacks which I do not need.
The ROM changes all the time on my phone. I like Oxygen, Redux and sometimes Sense ROM with Sense removed (eg using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027804). most of the ROM has one or 2 problems which bugs me.
In the end I find I always go back to my plain stock HTC ROM+rooted+A2SD (and no other hacks). It seems to give me the least amounts of issues.
Im using the latest InsertCoin sense rom (1.0.9) and its very smooth and stable.
I've tried them all from MIUI to the AOSP roms and for me anyway this one feels like the complete package.
My favorites are:
Sense: InsertCoin stable hybrid (2.1 + 3.0)
AOSP: Oxygen
MIUI: none (sorry MIUI fans)
I actually cuite like sense roms, it's just that.. i feel like it uses a lot of power even when it's on standby. That is cuite annoying i think.
Right now i'm using Oxygen though.
no matter what ROM I go to, I always go crying back to cyanogenmod ... it's reliability, performance and general features are unbeatable by anything else.. simply the most awesome ROM available
CM(Nightlies) hands down.
Tried a few sense roms, but I actually hated them.
Even when they are cleaned of most of the bloatware,they still feel overloaded to me.
Haven't tried MIUI so far.
Reflex S 2.1.7. with gingerbread by Neophyte
Been using RCmixS until the recent InsertCoin update(1.0.9).. Two of the best sense ROMs available..
I will like to know as I am looking forward to go CM9 from GB
Sense ROMs have HTC Sense interface, Senseless ROMs don't.
Senseless just doesn't have sense.
No offense Just sayin ok
Sense is good looking, laggy, hangs most the time and so.
Senseless is better, little bad looking may be, but better battery and performance.
In senseless roms U would miss Internet pass-through(connect ur phone to internet via PC) and some widgets
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I will like to know as I am looking forward to go CM9 from GB
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Sense is a commercial GUI offered by HTC.
It's the most visually stunning GUI for our phones, in my humble opinion.
Unfortunately, with all that beauty comes some overhead: lots of widgets and RAM-intensive processes that are always running (although not always used) so, yes, there *sometimes* is some performance degradation (but most folks don't notice/care).
"Sense-less" ROMs is an ambiguous term. It can mean 1 of 2 things:
1) ROMs that once were Sense-based but have since been modified to remove the Sense UI (my WildChild ROM is an example of this, so is jermzii's ROM, and possibly others). The benefit here is the visual glory of *most* Sense UI artefacts is retained, without all the bloat of the Sense launcher (called Rosie) and associated widgets. Also, everything still works under a Sense-less ROM of this nature. That includes the camera, proximity sensors, speedy graphics rendering, WiFi, and all the crap that you'd expect to work under any given ROM.
2) ROMs that were built from the ground-up without Sense. There are tons of ROMs like this, but probably the most famous for our phone is CyanogenMod (and any of its derivatives). Frankly, they all look ugly as sin (to me) and typically you'll find features that don't work as well (or not at all!) as the original Sense ROM. The trade-off here is that you lose beauty and some functionality in favour of being able to "get behind the scenes" and tweak things you couldn't normally tweak on the stock ROM. Although, as any decent dev here will tell you, there's nothing you can do with CM7 that you can't do with a properly modified Sense ROM. (With the possible exception, of course, of running apps that were designed solely for the CM7 framework).
Hope that answer helped you,