I see that Titanium Backup now has the ability to integrate updated system apps into the rom and therefore save valuable space on the data partition.
Has anybody tried this on the Desire? Do you need S-Off set first?
I did try it with Flash and it seemed to disable it on my phone.
I have tried it, and it appears to work. Yes, you need S-OFF or AUFS to enable RW on system.
Ahh, I see. That was the problem; I don't have S-OFF. Makes sense really. Cheers.
Can someone give a more detailed description of this feature? I have searched and looked at the wiki but there is not much info. Will apps integrated into the ROM still receive updates? What exactly is this doing? I did it and it moved all the apps and did free up space but now I am wondering how to move them back if I need to or if this is now impossible.
Thanks
As I understand it, if you have an app that is installed in /system which is then updated from the Market, the update goes into /data, leaving you with two copies. TB overwrites the old one on /system with the new one from /data, leaving you with only one copy, thus freeing a little space on /data
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I rooted because I was fed up with the preinstalled Orange bloatware apps as I need the space! I used unrevoked and I have full root access i.e. I have the superuser app and I have been able to access the system partition and even managed to delete apk files from the system apps directory.
However, despite trying all the suggestions i found on these forums and elsewhere; Root Explorer, System App Remover and Titanium backup, no matter how many times I remove the apps in question, within a short time, the phone reboots and the apps are back again!
Please note that I am only trying to remove the stupid games etc which Orange stuff the ROM with not anything significant.
I really dont fancy flashing a new ROM as I cant be bothered setting up my phone again from scratch, so any advice somebody can give would be REALLY apreciated!!
You need to S-Off your phone, not just root if you want to remove your applications, while the phone is booted.
Search a guide here in the Android Developement section.
Alternatively use ADB to remove the files - your phone must be in recovery mode.
Thanks so much!!
Or better yet, just install one of the custom roms with a2sd. If you don't want a modified one, just use rooted froyo with a2sd, this is a good one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=789058
david_inuk said:
I rooted because I was fed up with the preinstalled Orange bloatware apps as I need the space! I used unrevoked and I have full root access i.e. I have the superuser app and I have been able to access the system partition and even managed to delete apk files from the system apps directory.
However, despite trying all the suggestions i found on these forums and elsewhere; Root Explorer, System App Remover and Titanium backup, no matter how many times I remove the apps in question, within a short time, the phone reboots and the apps are back again!
Please note that I am only trying to remove the stupid games etc which Orange stuff the ROM with not anything significant.
I really dont fancy flashing a new ROM as I cant be bothered setting up my phone again from scratch, so any advice somebody can give would be REALLY apreciated!!
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If you are S-ON you can delete them with ADB when you are in recovery mode.
You can also delete them through root explorer from the market. It's not free but it takes two minutes to use and you can see what your deleting if you are unsure
I have the same issue here.
Will try the ADB method when get a chance, but Root Explorer won't delete them - you can delete unwanted games etc, but they are still on the apps list the the files will come back after the reboot - tried this already.
kjur said:
I have the same issue here.
Will try the ADB method when get a chance, but Root Explorer won't delete them - you can delete unwanted games etc, but they are still on the apps list the the files will come back after the reboot - tried this already.
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really, what rom? i didnt have any issues with the setup mentioned in my sig
vis-tec said:
really, what rom? i didnt have any issues with the setup mentioned in my sig
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You are S-OFF, so no wonders why you don't have any problems
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why not just use titanium backup. its free and a very easy way to uninstall apps.
Again, you need to be s-off to uninstall system apk, which unfortunately all the bloatware is.
Clarification, you need to be s-off to use titanium or root explorer to remove system apk.
veitograf said:
why not just use titanium backup. its free and a very easy way to uninstall apps.
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@vis-tec: It's Orange UK, rooted, but S-ON. ADB method works perfect tough. Tested last night. Also integrated some system apps updates in the ROM via ADB.
titanium backup hasn't work for me either.
only ADB
remember that deleting bloatware does not give you any extra amount of space.
these apps are in \system which is not where apps you download install.
only way of extending you app-space is A2SD+ or DATA2XXX but they tend to slow down the phone
best solution >> S-OFF and ROM designed to run on a custom HBOOT.
u get lots of space, and a super fast rom since dalvik cache stays on NAND
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remember that deleting bloatware does not give you any extra amount of space.
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it does.
i've had google maps, youtube updates etc in the /data/app and after deleting bloatware and the old versions of gmaps etc. there was enough space in /system/app to move the updates there.
so now on the /data/app is 8-10MB more for my other apps.
also if i'm right the /system partition is used as cache for apps, so there is more space for this.
and it looks way better when you open 'all apps' drawer - the list is much shorter now and there is only the stuff you need
Hi, I have search a few time but didn't find answers.
I running cm 7, and all are stable and all settings are customize to my liking.
Will my phone go back to fresh installed rom after doing s-off?
if yes, can I just restore all the settings after doing s-off?
Will my phone get faster(smoother and responsive) when s-offed?
After s-off I believe its now possible to increase so much my app storage size (I don't know the general term called for this storage for apps).
Will my data and settings be lost upon increasing app storage size?
When I S-off'd mine, it left the rom untouched (LeeDrOid v2.5), nothing changed at all. Didn't notice any change to smoothness, but afaik that's not the idea behind it.
You can increase internal partition sizes using a custom table from the Alpharev website, but I've not done it myself so don't know what it will change (although I'd guess repartitioning your SD card means that whatever is on there would be lost) but make sure it's the right one for your Rom!
S-Off procedure itself should not touch your current ROM and settnigs, however make a NANDROID beforehand, it your system wont boot up after S-OFF simply restore nandroid and all will be ok.
(also remember that S-OFF must be done on a ROM that does NOT use any ext partitions - no a2sd+, no data 2 ext or whatever or sd)
now the other part of your question - more space for apps and rom smoothness and responsivness.
S-OFF itself wont do anything (unlock bootloader only), it is flashing a custom hboot that makes a diffrence. custom hboot means changed partition layout, which gives you more space for apps and since they run from NAND rather than ext partition (which is possible with more space available) whole system performs signifcally faster.
unfortunately if you change your hboot to a custom it is not possible to restore a nandroid of a rom made for stock hboot partition layout. best you can do is backup your apps and settings with mybackup root or titanium backup, flash a new rom made for custom hboot and restore apps and settings with one of mentioned apps.
Thanks, I appreciate the explanation.
If my purpose of S-off is to increase app storage size thus more app on nand, then i have too back up, and restore each settings.
I think after few months, it will be the time. just side thought (im still not convince sensation is a robust device, can take everything u throw at it, including physically).
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Okay so in Titanium Backup my free System ROM memory is 229MB. SD Card Maid says 211MB free. Im not sure why they both have different values but, can I make any of these unused MB converted to usable system space for more apps? I've tried making some apps system apps through Titanium Backup and that takes more ROM memory and makes the used internal memory less, but that just makes the apps unusable. Im using CM7 Nightly and CWM Recovery. Thanks for the help.
Well I probably found an answer in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855424 but if anybody has another suggestion .....
Sure you can. I recommend using Titanium Backup to uninstall system apps. Be sure to make a full backup using whichever recovery you currently are using jiust encase you delete something important. I removed apps related to live wallpapers, friend streams, twitter etc. Features I don't use. Hope this helps.
I forgot to ask. Do you have a SD-EXT partition set up? May want to look into that.
Removing system apps doesn't free up storage for installing user apps. You can manually move apps into the system partition if you want, but you have to redo that after that app gets upgraded. The other option is to play with MTD partition size as mentioned in the thread you found.
You can't flash the apps to system/data?
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You can't flash the apps to system/data?
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/system/app is where they'd go. You don't necessarily need to flash them there, you can use Titanium or a root-capable file explorer to move them. Some apps need some extra steps to work with their native libraries though. In addition the problem I mentioned of updates going back to /data/app instead of updating in the system partition, you also have to keep track of what you've moved in and do it again if you flash an updated ROM (without wiping).
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/system/app is where they'd go. You don't necessarily need to flash them there, you can use Titanium or a root-capable file explorer to move them. Some apps need some extra steps to work with their native libraries though. In addition the problem I mentioned of updates going back to /data/app instead of updating in the system partition, you also have to keep track of what you've moved in and do it again if you flash an updated ROM (without wiping).
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You are correct. Good points.
I don't have an SD EXT but I'll look into that. The link I posted helped alot. Thanks for all your help guys.
hi guys .. i don't know if this is a dumb question .. i am not expert at flashing custom roms .. in my titatinum backup info .. my system rom got 200+mb free and now i want to flash a custom rom but its size is 300mb+ ?? should i still continue or is there anything else to solve this??
As anyone with DarkTremor's A2SD is well aware, the sd-ext partition is utilized as a symbolic link from within /data.
As a user of a custom recovery with the nandroid backup/restore feature, you're also well aware that you can back up both data and sd-ext.
If you choose to back up both, you end up with two large img's... the one for sd-ext being slightly larger than the one for data. Both of these img's contain all of the stuff within data (what a waste of space!).
Since sd-ext includes data (when using DT's A2SD), is it sufficient to only back up sd-ext, and not data as well? Basically, what should I be backing up? Seems wasteful to back up both-- If I back up only sd-ext, I'm concerned that the /data dir will never be created. And if I back up only /data, I'll miss the extra 30 or so megs that the sd-ext img has over the data img (what makes up that difference, I'm not quite sure).
Any thoughts?
Make a backup in each form that you discribed and check the results after trying to restore your backup of question.
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Make a backup in each form that you discribed and check the results after trying to restore your backup of question.
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Yeah, I COULD do that... but I figured at least a hundred people on here have already figured this one out before me.
No risk no reward!
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I use a2sd and I nandroid everything, but cache and regularly go back to nandroids of my stock/rooted ROM and back with no problems. That's the reason I back up all of it, just in case. I'd rather be safer than sorry.
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No risk no reward!
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No sh!t, but there's likely some who've already done it. Isn't that the point of the Q&A forum-- so those who aren't sure about taking risks can ask questions, and gain expertise from those who already have?
You my friend are lazy and snotty, sorry I replied.
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No sh!t, but there's likely some who've already done it. Isn't that the point of the Q&A forum-- so those who aren't sure about taking risks can ask questions, and gain expertise from those who already have?
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I don't back up sd-ext personally because I never wipe it before a flash. There is no real need, unless you are using newer mik roms.
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You my friend are lazy and snotty, sorry I replied.
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I'm looking for someone to explain a little bit about the difference between backing up data and sd-ext when using DT's A2SD. You haven't offered any explanation-- you only pointed out the obvious.
There are a LOT of lazy questions in this forum. Unless you happen to know the answer to mine or can show me where my search failed, go harass someone else ya f*ckin' troll.
I do, however, appreciate that your replies continue to bump my thread... so thanks for that I guess.
If DTA2SD is utilized then the APKs are not on the phones internal storage, they are on the sd-ext.
However all of the saved information from the apks (logins/game saves and such)are not on the sd-ext, that is stored on the internal memory.
So, lets say you do a nand backup without the sd-ext.
1 - if you wipe the sd-ext then nand back, your apks will not be restored, but when you re-install the apks, your saved info from the time you backed up will be restored. All you have to do is re-install the apk.
2 - if you dont wipe the sd-ext and then nand back, all of your info and apks will still be there, but if you installed another apk after you did the nand, any info you have saved from that particular apk will be gone(not the apk itself).
Now, lets say you do a nand backup with the sd-ext.
All apks and information from the time you did your backup will be restored, but again if you have installed any apks after the nand, they will be gone, along with any saved information.
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Because the saved information is not on the sd-ext, there is no need to wipe the sd-ext before flashing a new or updated rom. It is the same as having apks pre-installed. Doing this keeps you from having to redownload all of your favorite apps, but any saved info will be wiped out.
The only exception is when developers move system apps to /data(such as the newer mik roms). If they do that, then you may have to wipe the sd-ext before flashing new or updated roms.
If you wish to keep the saved information from your apks between rom flashes, then I would suggest backing up the data through Titanium backup. However you may experience problems restoring data from certain apks, so to be safe i only restore data from apps i know do not cause issues. Most games do not cause issues, but retoring data from apps like lookout have been known to cause bootloops and such.
Hope this helps.
Lots of good info there... thanks!
I know for sure that the data.img in my nandroid backup holds apks. If it didn't, there'd be no way it could be 300MB. Similarly, my sd-ext is a little larger (like 311MB).
So what happens if I don't wipe my sd-ext, but wipe my data instead? Since components of data are within sd-ext (specifically, the apks), wouldn't that in turn wipe most of sd-ext too (since it would follow the symbolic links)?
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Lots of good info there... thanks!
I know for sure that the data.img in my nandroid backup holds apks. If it didn't, there'd be no way it could be 300MB. Similarly, my sd-ext is a little larger (like 311MB).
So what happens if I don't wipe my sd-ext, but wipe my data instead? Since components of data are within sd-ext (specifically, the apks), wouldn't that in turn wipe most of sd-ext too (since it would follow the symbolic links)?
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That would only happen if DTA2SD was activated, which it is not while in recovery.
As far as I know, the only folders from /data that are moved to the sd-ext are /data/app and /data/app-private. All the other folders and info remain on the internal storage. Dalvik can be moved, but it isn't set to do so by default in most roms.
Edit: What Rom are you using? I looked at my data.img from synergy and it's 190.76MB, and the last time I backed up my SD-ext it was only 77.03MB
low internal storage on my HTC m8. i want to remove unwanted system applications. is this possible on rooted (TWRP) HTC m8? please help.
Try TitaniumBackup
This is Not working. It uninstall application I selected. But it's exist. And I restarted phone. Still it's exist.please help
Make sure you are using superSu with the last binaries
Super su v2.76. Is there any newer version
Get Titanium Backup Pro. It can do this and so much more. Totally worth it
It's titanium pro
On this device, the system partition is write protected, even with root. You need to install wp_mod to delete system apps.
I've seen folks accomplish it other ways (I think changing permissions in ES File Explorer or similar "root" explorer) in addition to Titanium mentioned above (which I can't personally say works or not). But wp_mod is the most common way I've seen discussed to delete system apps.
Its all a bit irrelevant. The system (OS) partition is not normally user accessible; nor will deleting system apps change the size of the system partition. Nor will deleting "bloatware" system apps does not increase your user data storage. The only exception to these points, is if you intend to install user apps as system apps (which again, will require wp_mod or similar). But that's getting pretty fancy and I don't think that is what you are talking about.