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[COMP]what's so special?

i have got an eye for this device in months but then consideret "what if it's locked or has a perfect spl???" do any of you think this will happen?
i have also been looking at the specs of Nexus versus Bravo
Nexus: http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html
Bravo: http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html
and i can't find big difference
is the thing wich turns of the sound of an incomming call software based?
does the desire have more sensors and addons than Nexus which is not software based? (and beside the FM radio)
will htc actually be sloppier than google with the updates and kernel releases?
will it be easier to work with the nexus kernel than the htc as there probably will be more updates?
and last but not least why should i pick a Bravo instead of a Nexus? (beside HTC Sense)
thank you in advance to bear over with my indecision!!

The Google Nexus isn't sold here?!
And Desire will be sold.
I think thats a big difference.
Or where can I get a Nexus
Isn't NExus US only?

nexus will allso work in europe and it will come 2 europe it just hasn't arrived yet!
im gonna get mine from usa btw, but i have seen many companys selling the N1 in denmark for 4500 kroners and above
which is a skyhigh price as i can get it for 3080 in USA without shipping (7.5 euros=1 DK)

Found a German who is selling for 688€ very expensive. That is 5160DK

its way cheaper getting it from another country!

What I would say is take serious consideration of your country's import duties and taxes, and the method of shipment before you buy.
As I have posted elsewhere on this forum, one time it actually worked out significantly more expensive for me to order some AV equipment from the USA than ordering it from the most expensive store I could find it at in the UK. This was purely due to the US shipper sending the item by courier and quoting the full description and value on the shipping documents. Upon its arrival in the UK the courier submitted it to UK customs (levying their own fee +VAT for doing so), customs then charged their import duty, and then iced the cake with full UK VAT ...that all stung me for an extra 32% on the US retail price + shipping.
...we talk about "Rip-off Britain" in the UK but it's our own Customs & Excise who are the worst culprits of ALL.
Anyhow, all I'm saying is beware, and work out those charges. I worked out that the N1 would cost 480-490GBP delivered from Google US whereas I've pre-ordered the Desire at Clove for 430GBP.
Mind you, having said that I got a pair of Oakley Juliette Ducatti sunglasses (270GBP in the UK) delivered from the US for 132GBP - but they were posted as a gift so big savings can be made.

ralle.gade said:
...will htc actually be sloppier than google with the updates and kernel releases?
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What I'm sure we will find is that HTC will not keep up with Google with releases and updates of Android ...absolutely certainly not once the Desire 2 is announced. They may issue one or two updates during th first year but once the phone is sold what incentive do they have to put time and effort into putting out updates. No, the only updates we are likely to see are those which take no resource to implement or they will put on their new retail phones in order to keep up with the N1 and will subsequently be released on their website.
However, with the N1 being Google's showcase Android device, Google has every incentive to keep the N1 as up-to-date as possible throughout it's life or until the hardware can no longer support Android so that users can show off to their mates and colleagues "Look what my Android can do today!". Hopefully then, those mates and colleagues will go out and get the next latest Android device (Nexus Two maybe?) to be part of it.

...and this situation will be even worse for phones supplied through network operators who spin their own cuts of the OS.
My wife's Orange HTC Hero went in for repair last week and by understanding from the Tech Support is that the latest Android ROM for the stock Hero is 2.7. Unfortunately, as my wife's Hero is branded from Orange it's stuck on 2.6 and I expect will be forever more. I have no faith in Orange releasing an Android 2.1 ROM for their legacy Heros.

1. you really should know about VAT and customs duty. Because here in Germany everything under 150€ has no customs duty and everything under 22€ does not need VAT when imported. So be aware of the exemption limit.
2. Google will only keep updating the nexus one till there is a nexus two.

What if it is shipped as a gift will that make a difference??

maybe but let me tell one example.
I bought a torch from China. It was shipped as a gift.
But the german customs duty personell did look into the package and they did figured out the trick. So I had to pay VAT (because no gift and over 22€). (no customsduty duty because under 150€)

u can buy nexus one in poland for about 500 euros....of course unofficial. the price is with shipping

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What if it is shipped as a gift will that make a difference??
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Doesn't matter gift or not. Customs always look at the total value and if they do not know the total value of the goods, then you will be at the mercy of the custom officer, because then they will estimate the value! In either cases you will be screwed by customs - if caught .
As for The Netherlands all goods that enters here, if I'm not mistaken from the 2008 terms & conditions on import duties, valued above 175 Euro will not be exempted from any tax duties - if caught .

What's special is the physical keys and the optical trackball.

talk me out of it...

i'm about to hit the checkout button on expansys-usa. i just don't see a gsm version officially hitting the states until probably february and it'll probably be only 16gb version. what's a tech addict supposed to do?

Do what I did and click Check out.

Give in. I did. We can sell the 16 when the 32 or the SGS3 hits. I was tired of waiting and you only live once. Enjoy!

Just got mine from there and its bad ass my friend. Sorry I can't help you here.
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If its something you truly want, and you want it now, you don't really have another option do you?

lmao. some friends you are. if this was a crack pipe, somebody would be lighting the lighter, holding the pipe, holding my head and punching me in the gut.

I was in the same boat. I had the order screen up, staring at the pay button. Finally I just effin pressed Pay now. I sold my GS2 and paid a good chunk more for this phone. It arrived today. It seriously is the most amazing phone I've ever used. I have an iPhone 4 now for work and a GS2 before it for personal. The combo of ICS and this beautiful device just make for an awesome out of box experience. If you really want it, if you keep looking up stuff about it and thinking about it...buy it. You won't regret it.

it doesn't help i've already bought a mhl adapter, 6" rt angle to rt angle 3.5mm cable, screen protector, tpu case for it and an otg cable.

no GSM until February ? Why ffeb? There is not an official release date for the GSM. No one knows if come Monday Google will announce a date.
Youre gonna buy it now for $750 and watch next week its for sale for $550 from Google

Do it.
My GNEX arrived this morning and it's easily the best tech purchase I've made in a long time.

audi09 said:
no GSM until February ? Why ffeb? There is not an official release date for the GSM. No one knows if come Monday Google will announce a date.
Youre gonna buy it now for $750 and watch next week its for sale for $550 from Google
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well, canada is unofficially dec. 7. and verizon is unofficially dec. 8. i'm sure verizon has at least a 60 day exclusive on this. i just don't see the u.s. getting any love any sooner because google has failed to give us any details on an unlocked usa version.

pukemon said:
well, canada is unofficially dec. 7. and verizon is unofficially dec. 8. i'm sure verizon has at least a 60 day exclusive on this. i just don't see the u.s. getting any love any sooner because google has failed to give us any details on an unlocked usa version.
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I would say your best bet is to at least wait for the release in Canada and then import it from Canada. You'll probably get a better deal that way. The official release date in Canada is Dec.8 and that's just a matter of less than two weeks so I would say wait until then and see if there is any more news on the GSM version in USA, and if not, import it from Canada for a smaller price
EDIT: Actually, either way the unlocked Galaxy Nexus from Bell is $649 without tax so with taxes and duty fees etc. its probably going to amount to the same price. Lol, I guess that was no help after all

mohitrocks said:
I would say your best bet is to at least wait for the release in Canada and then import it from Canada. You'll probably get a better deal that way. The official release date in Canada is Dec.8 and that's just a matter of less than two weeks so I would say wait until then and see if there is any more news on the GSM version in USA, and if not, import it from Canada for a smaller price
EDIT: Actually, either way the unlocked Galaxy Nexus from Bell is $649 without tax so with taxes and duty fees etc. its probably going to amount to the same price. Lol, I guess that was no help after all
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i already thought about that. it'll end up over $700 regardless. thanks anyways.

mohitrocks said:
I would say your best bet is to at least wait for the release in Canada and then import it from Canada. You'll probably get a better deal that way. The official release date in Canada is Dec.8 and that's just a matter of less than two weeks so I would say wait until then and see if there is any more news on the GSM version in USA, and if not, import it from Canada for a smaller price
EDIT: Actually, either way the unlocked Galaxy Nexus from Bell is $649 without tax so with taxes and duty fees etc. its probably going to amount to the same price. Lol, I guess that was no help after all
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Ya importing from the UK is cheaper and you can get it now.

I wish I could talk you out of it.. but after using the device for a few hours, I just can't.
btw, where did you get your OTG adapter? I'm looking for one at a decent price.. hoping to avoid ebay, if possible..

Andrmgic said:
I wish I could talk you out of it.. but after using the device for a few hours, I just can't.
btw, where did you get your OTG adapter? I'm looking for one at a decent price.. hoping to avoid ebay, if possible..
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Amazon. If i remember correctly it was about $7 usd. How we going to charge the phone and use usb at the same time. Google. Y u no have sd?
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I hit the check out button last Friday, got my GN today. . .love it. Just do it.
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I almost hit the purchase button. Had everytbing filled out. Theres is still something inside of me hoping for a 32 gig gsm version. I dont want to go through the hassle of selling a phone just tothe upgrade internal memory. I already need to sell my nexus one and e71.
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Ok, I'll play devil's advocate for this thread. I happen to be one that really wants this phone as well, however I am going to wait just a little while longer for any rumors that it will be available 'legitimately' in the US for GSM. A few thoughts Im having:
- Warranty. If I were to buy from Negri, Handtec etc, while they most likely would assist in getting my device fixed, it would still take probably 2-6 weeks and 9 months down the road they may not be as helpful to expedite it. Also, they may give you a loaner phone, otherwise you would have to provide that while you're phone is in the shop.
- I have a feeling the US based GSM phones will be $599 for 16gb. While its only $100 less than buying it right now, I figure its worth the small wait.
- While I believe everyone's opinion over this phone, I also wanted to at least see a Verizon version of the device at a Best Buy just to make sure.
I have gone through a lot of android devices lately and hoping to find the right fit for me. Assuming the Nexus is, I hope to own it for at least 18 months. For others, feel free to refute me and maybe I'll be suckered into buying now as well

I'm one of the unlucky Handtec people still waiting on my pre-order and I would still hit the checkout button even with the foreknowledge of this. It's one of the few phones out there where the hardware and software are working together rather than the multitude of phones that are indeed hardware powerhouses but have the OS slapped on seemingly as an afterthought.
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Surprised all big uk retailers don't have accessories.

Bought my nexus today, but was surprised to find that none of the big uk retail shops, carphone, phones4u, vodafone, 02,have any accessories for the galaxy nexus. Am I missing something?, cause the phone has been released a while back.?

marvi0 said:
Bought my nexus today, but was surprised to find that none of the big uk retail shops, carphone, phones4u, vodafone, 02,have any accessories for the galaxy nexus. Am I missing something?, cause the phone has been released a while back.?
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Why would they, it's the same the world over, any decent and/or cool accessory might as well be a unicorn that will show up 12 weeks after you order it from some obscure website and pay $100 for shipping.
I don't think it's feasible for brick/mortar stores to carry many of these accessories since most consumers are generally happy with the "universal" junk and the devices change so quickly. Unfortunate, I agree.

One of the things we have to accept as Nexus users is that Nexus will never be mainstream phone heavy supported with acessories. It is obvious that the Nexus idea is not interesting to carriers and oems, since they cant fill it up with bloatware and it makes people wanting others phones to be upgraded for the last super-cool Android version.
This is my second Nexus phone and I dont plan to buy a non Nexus again, but I accepted the fact that I will be with the minotiry. Phones like the Samsung Galaxy S are much better for oems and carriers and will be much more marketed/supported.

Thanks the only problem is, I now have to wait for the accessories I ordered online, which will take days, that's the problem, even the corner shops, that sell all kinds of fake accessories, don't have a screen protector, and having owned my fair share share of smartphones, this is a first, not to find a single shop selling nexus specific screen protectors.

[Q] Import HTC One X or AT&T One XL

I'm looking over in different threads talking about defects in the phone and what not. I'm not usually superstitious, but without fail I've had to replace every smartphone I've ever owned at least once. (iPhone 3GS went twice, Evo went 5 times, MyTouch went once, Amaze went once, Sensation went twice, One S went once, would have gone back again but T-Mobile let me out of my contract and I sent it back) I should note that every time I've listed was for defects. My friends can't believe my track record with smartphones... but I love my phones all the same. I especially enjoy my HTC phones.
So to make a long story short (too late) I'm considering the One X because I have to switch back to AT&T after a long hiatus. Sadly no choice in this as its for work. I have the choice of getting a One X International edition from EBay, Craigslist or the marketplace here and have my 32gb of storage, Tegra 3 for gaming and an unlockable bootloader, but must contend with the possible absence of enforceable warranty since it IS imported...
OR
I can swallow my pride as an IT guy... and go for the local varient.
With its only 16gb of storage (only 10 really useable in my experience with the Amaze).
With its S4 chip (nice, but I do like me some Tegra 3 exclusives.......)
And its Warranty that I can go to one of several local corp stores and have enforced. Our local stores are actually pretty decent.
I don't want to have to own several devices to get the experience I want. I really want to go with the International version for the gaming library open to the Tegra 3, such as Dark Meadow. I know some games end up getting ports or hacks to allow play on other devices... but I like things to "just work" sometimes without too much hassle. I have to deal with hassle day in and day out with my job, I like my devices to be toys once I get home, not more work.
So... yeah. Thoughts?

kamui957 said:
but must contend with the possible absence of enforceable warranty since it IS imported...
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You can buy it from an authorized dealer in the UK and it comes with a two-year warranty. I just sent an SGS2 to the UK for repair and Samsung paid to ship it to them and I had to pay 10GBP to have it shipped back. I got my One X from Handtec and it arrived overnight via FedEx. If you buy from Negri or Expansys-USA you can send it to them if it needs repair and they ship it to their overseas affiliates who deal with HTC locally. It takes a lot longer though because of all the hand-offs. SquareTrade also covers grey market phones and if you Google it they're having a 30% off deal for Mother's Day. Buying from Handtec or Clove in the UK assures you'll get a UK (EU) handset. Negri and Expansys have been shipping Malaysian units. Also with the international version you'll get updates directly from HTC, a lot of features AT&T removed (HTC apps, CloudDrive integration), and none of AT&T's crapware. It doesn't matter if you're rooting and ROM'ing. I can't use use non-standard ROMs because I travel overseas a lot so I always get my phones from the UK.

Is there a hardware or software or build quality difference between the Malaysian and EU handsets?
The main reason I'm wondering is because VAT seems so high. I mean, I go from a phone that's just over $600 to a phone thats well over $700... That extra $100 is not appetizing at all really.
I don't do a lot of traveling, I just prefer the international version of this phone to the AT&T variant because it feels like AT&T gave us a worse phone for the same price...
I do tend to root and rom, but having the stock rom without clutter gives me more time to enjoy the phone without having to replace anything.
In the end though I guess what I need to know on the international front is if there is a real difference between the Asian and European One X International or if its just the rom that comes on it (which I guess I can just flash the european rom if its just a software thing)
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Just checked Handtec and VAT doesn't apply since its being shipped outside the UK via FedEx. At least not according ot everything from before I press "buy"
Shipping does raise it to 630 though compared ot the 609 + free shipping...
So I guess it still stands with the Malaysian vs EU phone differences.

kamui957 said:
Is there a hardware or software or build quality difference between the Malaysian and EU handsets?
The main reason I'm wondering is because VAT seems so high. I mean, I go from a phone that's just over $600 to a phone thats well over $700... That extra $100 is not appetizing at all really.
I don't do a lot of traveling, I just prefer the international version of this phone to the AT&T variant because it feels like AT&T gave us a worse phone for the same price...
I do tend to root and rom, but having the stock rom without clutter gives me more time to enjoy the phone without having to replace anything.
In the end though I guess what I need to know on the international front is if there is a real difference between the Asian and European One X International or if its just the rom that comes on it (which I guess I can just flash the european rom if its just a software thing)
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Just checked Handtec and VAT doesn't apply since its being shipped outside the UK via FedEx. At least not according ot everything from before I press "buy"
Shipping does raise it to 630 though compared ot the 609 + free shipping...
So I guess it still stands with the Malaysian vs EU phone differences.
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I don't think there are any physical differences; they're all built in the same place. If you're not going to root and replace the ROM, get the UK phone. The Asian phones have Asian english where the UK phones have UK english. Neither have U.S. english out of the box.

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I don't think there are any physical differences; they're all built in the same place. If you're not going to root and replace the ROM, get the UK phone. The Asian phones have Asian english where the UK phones have UK english. Neither have U.S. english out of the box.
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Would you say the UK phone would be easier to get warranty serviced than an asian one through Expansys?
As for the english, I will be rooting and romming eventually, but I could live with UK english easier than Asian english...

[DISCUSSION] Shall we expect Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals?

I was looking at possibly purchasing the ROG Phone II soon, but Black Friday and Cyber Monday will be right around the corner by the time I know for sure. This would be the first time I've considered Asus, so I'm wondering if I should hold off until those sales, or if any sale would be worth waiting for. I looked at some of last year's sales from them, and it looked like most prices were $50-100 off similar priced products, and I didn't see any that included the original ROG Phone.
Should we expect more of the same with sales that aren't all that special, or is there a chance they could surprise us with something worth waiting for?

I'm keeping my eye on this while I wait for any surprise Black Friday sales. I don't know if this site is reputable though.

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I'm keeping my eye on this while I wait for any surprise Black Friday sales. I don't know if this site is reputable though.
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From what I've read, that site is reputable in that you'll get your product, but understand what you're getting. They are falsely advertising that this is an international version. In reality, they are selling the spec limited China Tencent version that's been "unlocked" (their wording, which I'm assuming means had the global ROM flashed). You can tell by the lower 128 GB/8 GB specs and their sample photos even show the Tencent logo on the back. For us in the U.S, that means less frequency and carrier support than what little the true NA version has, and no warranty because it's a grey market item that's been tampered with.
I know a lot of U.S. users have the Tencent version, flashed it to the global ROM, and are happy with it despite its limitations, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. After learning more about the whole GSM/VoLTE issue since I made this thread, I'm having a hard time even recommending the NA version to anyone in the U.S. I've pretty much decided I'm not going to be getting it.

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I'm keeping my eye on this while I wait for any surprise Black Friday sales. I don't know if this site is reputable though.
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Gear best seems pretty reputable.
Other user is right though. You would have to send it back to china for warranty (through your vendor) or just hope asus will take care of you (which in my case they usually have, I buy a lot from them)
If I was considering the 8GB version, I would definitely try to look for the indian 8gb/128gb model. I think It says ROG on the back instead of tencent and has an all glass back instead of metal and glass.

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Gear best seems pretty reputable.
Other user is right though. You would have to send it back to china for warranty (through your vendor) or just hope asus will take care of you (which in my case they usually have, I buy a lot from them)
If I was considering the 8GB version, I would definitely try to look for the indian 8gb/128gb model. I think It says ROG on the back instead of tencent and has an all glass back instead of metal and glass.
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Something new? I want one for Europe... Spain, concretely. Where to buy?

For what it's worth, they do have a couple black Friday deals now.
https://store.asus.com/us/category/blackfriday
It looks like they are offering the Tencent version in the U.S. Officially now? I guess instead of improving the offering, they want to sell us a worse product that is barely useable on our networks. I'm losing more and more respect for that company any time I look up info about this phone.
Plus it's sold out. Have they ever had any in stock? Lol

https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/vivo-etc/1879-asus-rog-phone-2-8gb-128gb.html
Pretty much the lowest price I have seen so far. Gearbest, AliExpress, banggood - all those stores have higher prices at this moment.

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https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/vivo-etc/1879-asus-rog-phone-2-8gb-128gb.html
Pretty much the lowest price I have seen so far. Gearbest, AliExpress, banggood - all those stores have higher prices at this moment.
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That's the China Tencent version, which I wouldn't take even if it was free. The NA version is already obsolete by design with limited band support and no VoLTE or Wi-Fi calling, so why would I want something worse than that?
I do need to correct myself, though. The Asus black Friday page is selling the original ROG phone, not the ROG phone 2.

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That's the China Tencent version, which I wouldn't take even if it was free. The NA version is already obsolete by design with limited band support and no VoLTE or Wi-Fi calling, so why would I want something worse than that?
I do need to correct myself, though. The Asus black Friday page is selling the original ROG phone, not the ROG phone 2.
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I do not care about the design, both functions you have mentioned are not supported by my mobile provider and it supports all bands here, so I guess it's just up for personal preferences.
Most people I have contacted in EU are getting the Tencent version, it just gives us most of stuff we need.

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I do not care about the design, both functions you have mentioned are not supported by my mobile provider and it supports all bands here, so I guess it's just up for personal preferences.
Most people I have contacted in EU are getting the Tencent version, it just gives us most of stuff we need.
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I see on your profile that you are in Poland. Black Friday is a U.S. retail event, so that's why this thread is focused on the North American version of the phone. I understand you have different priorities, but our GSM networks are scheduled to be shut down within the useable life of the phone. At that time, the ROG Phone 2 will no longer be able to make a phone call in the U.S. The only way to make calls would be through VoLTE, which Asus has said they don't intend to enable on the NA version. It's not a personal preference issue here, it's a basic usability problem.

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I see on your profile that you are in Poland. Black Friday is a U.S. retail event, so that's why this thread is focused on the North American version of the phone. I understand you have different priorities, but our GSM networks are scheduled to be shut down within the useable life of the phone. At that time, the ROG Phone 2 will no longer be able to make a phone call in the U.S. The only way to make calls would be through VoLTE, which Asus has said they don't intend to enable on the NA version. It's not a personal preference issue here, it's a basic usability problem.
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That's right. But the Black Friday is now much more popular in other countries (althrough the deals are not somehow interesting, mostly fake discounts), that surely wasn't a thing some years ago. However, there was 1 person from EU asking about Black Friday deals too, so I just wanted to point to some available discounts.
Didn't know about the scheduled network shutdown in US, that explains why US buyers avoid the Tencent version.

Maczuga said:
That's right. But the Black Friday is now much more popular in other countries (althrough the deals are not somehow interesting, mostly fake discounts), that surely wasn't a thing some years ago. However, there was 1 person from EU asking about Black Friday deals too, so I just wanted to point to some available discounts.
Didn't know about the scheduled network shutdown in US, that explains why US buyers avoid the Tencent version.
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And I didn't realize Black Friday was a thing elsewhere now. Hopefully it's not as violent as it sometimes is here in the states. XD