Hey guys im having trouble with my phone when setcpu is running. When ever i come out of lock screen it takes a few seconds to be able to do stuff on my phone, like its waking up from sleep. Also some times i get this message and it has to reboot.
"Sorry activity htc sense (in application HTC Sense) is not responding."
Im running the 2.6.32.15 king # 4 kernel.
My set CPU settings are on 1.15 GHz max and 460800 MHz min. Im running conservative at the moment but it does it on other scaling like performance and on demand. my setting for screen off is 460min 614 max.
Is there anything im doing wrong? or should i be using a different kernel? What kernels are the best? Thanks
I would bump up the lower end to about 600. I have have issues lower than that coming out of sleep.
im running virtuous 2.7
power saving kernel
Main Profile is 245-998 ondemand
Screen Off is 245-384 ondemand
I do not have that problem... but it would be a lie if I told you i didn't before!
I was having this problem you are talking about when my main profile was set to conservative.
EDIT: Back up your setcpu + settings in titanium... Uninstall it (or freeze it) and see if the kernel can run it just fine cause it probably will. Most kernels already have the settings for optimum performance and even the devs who make them (like hydra) say that it will work best without setcpu.
Source: http://www.hydrakernel.net/hydra_kernels_information.htm
"I recommend not using the setcpu controls or governor with these kernels. Let the stock governor do the work. If you have setcpu installed I recommend clearing out the settings before flashing the kernels. You can use it to monitor cpu speeds or an app from the market called systempanel if so desired."
I am new to the setcpu app I am wondering how do I know how much frequency my min and max should be to help my phone out more. Can anyone help me on that plz?
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It will depend on which ROM and kernel you're running, but generally, overclocking doesn't do much good for you. I do however run my Main Max @ 1113 and Min @ 245. I then have a profile set for Screen Off Max @ 245, Min @ 245. This has helped a lot with battery life. This is on CM6.1.1 and the SBC stock kernel.
Also, there are the Scaling options. They will vary based on the kernel you're using. Generally, their names speak for themselves, so pick appropriately. I use Interactive when available, or Ondemand as a second choice. If you choose Performance, you will stay clocked at the highest speed until over ridden by a profile, so don't bother with that one unless it's for testing only.
One thing to think about is that Setcpu doesn't play well with HAVS, so if you're running a kernel with that built in, they will be fighting each other.
Also, if you're running a stock based rom with a stock kernel, you will need to disable Perflock if you want Setcpu to be able to really do it's job. So, while in Setcpu, tap Menu > Perflock Disbaler and attempt to disable perflock. Once it is successful, pick set on boot and close that window. Now Setcpu can work properly and you can start saving battery.
If you're primary goal is to get amazing battery life, I highly reccommend you try some of the new SBC kernels that have trickle charging built in. That's what I've been using since they came out, and it is amazing what a little tweak can do for you. SBC Kernel Thread
I have a HAVS kernel (Net's 4.2.2 SBC CFS Aggressive HAVS) and as I understand it any sort of CPU Tweaking application will cause conflict and probably a system crash, correct?
Also, can some recommend me any applications that compliment Juice Defender well. I have Juice Plotter already. I am looking for an aggressive auto task killer that's customizable along with any other suggested applications. Thank you!
A system crash is a possibility but they will basically just counteract each other and either make your battery life worse or give a performance hit.
SetCPU helps dynamically underclock/overclock based on certain scenarios. You can set what scenarios you want. Another option is AutoKiller. It isn't Auto Task Killer. Its a different application. Not quite sure how this works but you can research it. However Froyo does a good job managing most applications.
But if you are looking for customization I would go with SetCPU and AutoKiller
Thank's however since I'm running a HAVS kernel I won't use SetCPU. However I will look into Autokiller. Thanks
Vulf said:
Thank's however since I'm running a HAVS kernel I won't use SetCPU. However I will look into Autokiller. Thanks
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o.o a ton of people use set cpu with havs... its not setting voltages... its setting the cpu speed...
I just installed setcpu and ran it. My phone crashed about 10 seconds after I allowed root access. Tried twice more with same results.
aimbdd said:
o.o a ton of people use set cpu with havs... its not setting voltages... its setting the cpu speed...
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Its the governors that conflict. Not sure on the exact technical specifics but think of it like OCing a comp.
Some mobos have dynamic OCing. They adjust voltages based on CPU draw. If SetCPU sets CPU speed but HAVS reduces voltage... it would cause a crash. Its always better to have one thing deal with both CPU and voltage.
I'm not a full blown expert with kernels and how they function. All I know is to not mess around with SetCPU + HAVS kernels. It was always unstable or a massive battery drain for me based on my testing.
sekigah84 said:
Its the governors that conflict. Not sure on the exact technical specifics but think of it like OCing a comp.
Some mobos have dynamic OCing. They adjust voltages based on CPU draw. If SetCPU sets CPU speed but HAVS reduces voltage... it would cause a crash. Its always better to have one thing deal with both CPU and voltage.
I'm not a full blown expert with kernels and how they function. All I know is to not mess around with SetCPU + HAVS kernels. It was always unstable or a massive battery drain for me based on my testing.
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Setcpu does not do anything that a user with root access and terminal emulator can't. Setcpu does not actively do anything related to cpu speed or voltage in way shape or form. What setcpu does do is set the min and max speed the cpu can scale to and the parameters specific to the governor (up-threshold for one).
The governors also don't conflict with setcpu because setcpu does not do anything that a governor does.
The only things setcpu does is allow you to specify what governors and cpu speeds to use during screen on/off, charging, and battery levels through the use of a gui.
Technically setcpu does not interfere with havs its the settings that cause the issues. Again, what setcpu does any root user with te can do. If you issue the wrong settings in te and your device "crashes" is the user going to blame the settings or te? With the way some people are they would probably claim te interferes with havs instead of realizing that the setting combo they issued is not stable.
Setcpu is a great gui to tweak cpu parameters but don't confuse it with an app that actually controls the dynamic cpu frequency scaling or its voltages.
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Setcpu does not do anything that a user with root access and terminal emulator can't. Setcpu does not actively do anything related to cpu speed or voltage in way shape or form. What setcpu does do is set the min and max speed the cpu can scale to and the parameters specific to the governor (up-threshold for one).
The governors also don't conflict with setcpu because setcpu does not do anything that a governor does.
The only things setcpu does is allow you to specify what governors and cpu speeds to use during screen on/off, charging, and battery levels through the use of a gui.
Technically setcpu does not interfere with havs its the settings that cause the issues. Again, what setcpu does any root user with te can do. If you issue the wrong settings in te and your device "crashes" is the user going to blame the settings or te? With the way some people are they would probably claim te interferes with havs instead of realizing that the setting combo they issued is not stable.
Setcpu is a great gui to tweak cpu parameters but don't confuse it with an app that actually controls the dynamic cpu frequency scaling or its voltages.
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Ahh there. someone more knowledgable then me explains it perfectly.
I've run set cpu plus haves kernel for the last month... as have almost everyone using savagedzen.. thats what they recommend. If it was causing issues i am sure we would know by now. 100%stable... 0 random reboots! (well... accept for when i didn't follow directions xD)
aimbdd said:
Ahh there. someone more knowledgable then me explains it perfectly.
I've run set cpu plus haves kernel for the last month... as have almost everyone using savagedzen.. thats what they recommend. If it was causing issues i am sure we would know by now. 100%stable... 0 random reboots! (well... accept for when i didn't follow directions xD)
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I believe you and am not discrediting you but how come when I run SetCPU on a kernel with HAVS, it crashes? (Tried 4.3.1 and 4.2.2.) I moved the maximum value from the default 944 by maybe one or 2 notches up and the device freezes and crashes. Maybe Netarchy's kernels aren't compatible with CPU Tweaking programs? Anyone out there running a Netarchy Kernel w/ HAVS + SetCPU successfully?
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I believe you and am not discrediting you but how come when I run SetCPU on a kernel with HAVS, it crashes? (Tried 4.3.1 and 4.2.2.) I moved the maximum value from the default 944 by maybe one or 2 notches up and the device freezes and crashes. Maybe Netarchy's kernels aren't compatible with CPU Tweaking programs? Anyone out there running a Netarchy Kernel w/ HAVS + SetCPU successfully?
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Again, it is not setcpu it is your settings. You said you moved the slider "one or two notches up" (overclock) from the default 944? The evos default max is 998. Either way, with what you said you are overclocking and your device cannot handle the overclocked speed.
Like I said, you can do the exact same thing that setcpu does through terminal emulator. Instead of blame setcpu you should observe the speed/governor combo you are using.
I can oc my evo to 1.26 on my personal kernel without it rebooting on certain governors but on others it would reboot randomly and I don't set cpu parameters through setcpu, I use te, init scripts, and tasker.
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Setcpu does not do anything that a user with root access and terminal emulator can't. Setcpu does not actively do anything related to cpu speed or voltage in way shape or form. What setcpu does do is set the min and max speed the cpu can scale to and the parameters specific to the governor (up-threshold for one).
The governors also don't conflict with setcpu because setcpu does not do anything that a governor does.
The only things setcpu does is allow you to specify what governors and cpu speeds to use during screen on/off, charging, and battery levels through the use of a gui.
Technically setcpu does not interfere with havs its the settings that cause the issues. Again, what setcpu does any root user with te can do. If you issue the wrong settings in te and your device "crashes" is the user going to blame the settings or te? With the way some people are they would probably claim te interferes with havs instead of realizing that the setting combo they issued is not stable.
Setcpu is a great gui to tweak cpu parameters but don't confuse it with an app that actually controls the dynamic cpu frequency scaling or its voltages.
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Couldn't have said it better. The common misconception around these parts is that SetCPU has some negative effect on kernels with HAVS and this is just untrue.
Maybe I'm getting some terrible luck. I've always gotten negative results from using both SetCPU and HAVS. Tried different settings and recommended settings from others. As well as trying to tweak it myself. Not working so I just removed it and HAVS worked better on its own.
Sorry for the misinformation.
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Maybe I'm getting some terrible luck. I've always gotten negative results from using both SetCPU and HAVS. Tried different settings and recommended settings from others. As well as trying to tweak it myself. Not working so I just removed it and HAVS worked better on its own.
Sorry for the misinformation.
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The common practice with setcpu is to use it to underclock when sleeping. Depending on the governor you use (besides powersave) you are actually causing the cpu to struggle when completing tasks if you limit the max to 245 for example. During sleep if it needs to perform a task and that task would normally complete in 1 second at 998 mhz imagine how much longer it would take if it was capped at 245.
I have had better results not underclocking while sleeping. I would suggest using setcpu to specify to use the conservative governor when sleeping, ondemand/interactive/smartass when screen on (depending on which one you want), and interactive/ondemand while charging without under/overclocking at all and using the default freqs (245 - 998). I'm certain you would be surprised at how your evo behaves after that.
I don't know though... if race to idle applied here why would phone manufacturers ever under clock their phone? It kind of confuses me. Rti applies to computers but not phones? doesn't make sense.
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I don't know though... if race to idle applied here why would phone manufacturers ever under clock their phone? It kind of confuses me. Rti applies to computers but not phones? doesn't make sense.
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My last post may have been a bit confusing so I will clarify. When I said underclock I was referring to the practice of capping the max freq to 245 which is what most people do. If you cap the freq at 245 you are essentially underclocked all the time and would cause your cpu to work harder.
The evo underclocks automatically when the cpu load is low enough (idle for example) to save on power, reduce temps, and to basically keep the system running. But I would assume that most of us who have used setcpu have seen how lousy the evo runs when it can't scale up (locked at 245) when using the evo. The governors will underclock the cpu on their own if the device reports it does not need the higher freqs and this occurs during sleep/screen off as well.
Ugh this is quite frustrating. Perhaps it's the current kernel I'm using that's the problem?
Vulf said:
Ugh this is quite frustrating. Perhaps it's the current kernel I'm using that's the problem?
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Have you done testing to make sure your phone plays well with the more aggressive kernel? If using SetCPU is causing your phone to reboot then you may want to adjust your overclock, switch to the less aggressive kernel, or update to the newest netarchy SBC powered kernel; 4.3.2.
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Have you done testing to make sure your phone plays well with the more aggressive kernel? If using SetCPU is causing your phone to reboot then it you may want to adjust your overclock, switch to the less aggressive kernel, or update to the newest netarchy SBC powered kernel; 4.3.2.
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I'm not sure how I would go testing my kernel? I mean I've been using it since yesterday morning and there haven't been any FC's/phone crashes or anything strange so I guess the aggressive HAVS works well with my phone. I'll try upgrading to 4.3.2. I'm assuming it works fine for you?
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Have you done testing to make sure your phone plays well with the more aggressive kernel? If using SetCPU is causing your phone to reboot then it you may want to adjust your overclock, switch to the less aggressive kernel, or update to the newest netarchy SBC powered kernel; 4.3.2.
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This.
Very sound advice and yes some evos can't undervolt as well as others. Always remember too that the stock kernel for the evos use CFS. If you are using a bfs kernel that could also cause issues. Some evos run better with bfs versus cfs but it's really going to come down to the amount of time you want to put into testing and confirming what your evo likes.
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I'm not sure how I would go testing my kernel? I mean I've been using it since yesterday morning and there haven't been any FC's/phone crashes or anything strange so I guess the aggressive HAVS works well with my phone. I'll try upgrading to 4.3.2. I'm assuming it works fine for you?
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Yeah, it does. How far are you trying to overclock before your phone freezes/reboots?
Whats up guys? I have a question about using the Set CPU app.
Is it really worth it to use this app? Will it actually make an improvement in my battery life?
I don't want to use this app to speed up my phone, but to make it better on battery life.
I know you can set up profiles, but I'm not sure on what good setting would be to use. Can anyone give me some insight on this?
Also I'm running the latest version on MIUI and the Tiamat kernel.
P.S. Is there better kernels to be used then Tiamat?
Thanks in advance.
also I'm running the latest version on MIUI and the Tiamat kernel.
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maybe it's just me, but am getting better bat life with the stock kernal. I ran the tiamat for a few days, switched back and it was obvious to me.
With Tiamat the default governor is smartass, which has a built in setting for when the screen is off, that only lets the phone see a max of 368640, which will save on battery life and does.
Now if you want to get into using your own profiles then an app such as Setcpu can be helpful.
I have been using this and this in place of Setcpu. It's a little faster reacting to the changes form screen off to on. Just another option.
I like the Tiamat Kernels as well as JD's Kernels. They both work well with Miui, at least on my phone anyway.
I've used Set CPU for awhile, but then got away from it. I'm back on it now since MIUI doesn't have a built in OC. I would try the two PacerguyDon suggested. I have used the andrev_oc it is fine. The second one appears to have more functions than Set CPU. Set CPU doesn't allow you to under volt if that is what you are looking for.
I saw that Set CPU is $0.99 on Amazon, if you want it. However, I would try the other two for free and donate to the one you like best.
I have been using JD's Kernel the last few days and it seems to provide better battery life than stock. I originally tried using the Smartass govenor, but had to go back to On Demand. The Smartass was causing screen wake delay when receiving a call.
I stole this from another PacerguyDon's post and it breaks down the different govenors found in most OC apps.
Govenors
Set CPU is free for XDA members. It also does allow undervolting according to their post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419
I just spent some time doing some miscellaneous tweaks to the smartassv2 gov on the new Lionfish kernel. I am extrememly battery conscious with this tweaking as i will soon be giving this EVO to my father who has to rely on in for business. I followed the info in a few other threads and thought I had what i needed to make the correct changes so I made them. I've noticed that after the changes I've made, the cpu scaling seems to be rather erratic, meaning it never really settles at low frequency. I don't know if this is due to the stock setting of the gov as i didn't check the scaling before hand or if it has to do with my changes.
my current settings are as follows
768000= awake_ideal_freq;
245000= sleep_ideal_freq;
499200= sleep_wakeup_freq
85=max_cpu_load;
70=min_cpu_load;
38400= ramp_up_step;(left at stock)
38400= ramp_down_step;(left at stock)
10000= up_rate_us(left at Stock)
20000= down_rate_us(left at Stock)
I didn't touch the rampup/down of the scaling intervals or anything, so i don't really understand why this is happening. And sugestions out there?
shameful bump....
If you're running Sense I wouldn't recommend that low of a main clock, and honestly if your dad knows nothing of rooting I'd unroot it, leave everything stock, and let him fair with it, wouldn't want the device bugging out on him after all.
SavocaFTW is right, you are way under, just use on demand it will be just fine, if you set the evo values to low the system gets whacked out bad.
I've been using newest lionfish 1.2 and V6 supercharger with setting #8. Tried it just for kicks and its been working great for battery life. Use System Tuner Pro. Don't use Set CPU. I use ondemand 768-245. One other you thing to do is use a file manager to navigate to the system/etc folder and scroll down until you find the init.post_boot.sh file and either delete it or move it to your sd card. This is the cause of most of problems i'm sure.