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Just curious what people like other than Cyanogen. If CM (which seems to be the favorite) didn't exist, which would you choose?
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Well, yeah man, but I was hoping we could do it constructively. There's no need to go off on him. Even if you're right, you'd get more sympathy from people by skipping the name-calling. Sorry if you think I'm out of bounds. Just trying to be fair.
well, i loved 3rd sense untill i decided to play with themes... great froyo/sense rom
Well I enjoy any AOSP Roms, trying to stay away from sense Roms. I seen so much of it on my touch pro 2.
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Ok, I'm sorta indifferent as to which roms are my favorite, etc.
When I got my original myTouch, I was a religious Jesterdroid/Pandoradroid user [stock Android, themed, with some ported Cyan goodies as well as some MotoBlur enhancements and animations]. I was sorta afraid, if anything, to use anything different, since every time I flashed a different ROM, one of the phone's capabilities would be wonky [ie camera would be weird, soft keyboard would randomly FC out of nowhere, various apps weren't compatible, etc].
When I got my slide, the first thing I flashed was Cyanogenmod, and it was a totally new experience, but I missed the Stock Sense that the Slide came with. When 3rd Sense came out, I hopped onto that bandwagon and used that religiously until CM 6.1.1 came out, and everything worked. Everything.
I like the organization and flow of Sense a lot, because I like seeing a contact being connected through Peep [Twitter], Dialer [Phone], and Friendstream [Facebook] in one place, as opposed to many different places that stock Android has. HTC has it right in terms of their UI. Although it can get really bogged down at times, since a lot of things are running at once, I prefer Sense over Stock Android.
But at the moment, the only decent Sense rom [for the Slide] needs the Froyo kernel from T-Mo, so it still isn't working 100%. I know that once it drops [IF it drops] 3rdSense will come up to par with Cyanogenmod. But until then, I'm sticking with CM.
[and I'm currently using CM with Cyanoginger flashed over it]
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Well, yeah man, but I was hoping we could do it constructively. There's no need to go off on him. Even if you're right, you'd get more sympathy from people by skipping the name-calling. Sorry if you think I'm out of bounds. Just trying to be fair.
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What you said wasn't out of bounds at all.
I'm also currently on 3rd sense and would love to see another update of it. It's pretty close to perfection. MusicMan and etu_aty have also posted respectable roms. You don't see much Espresso stock in all its glory or a decked out Froyo. Actually, you don't see those at all. This is exactly what we need. I'm a fan of Cyanogen roms, but we don't need copycat roms (even if the source code is different than Cyanogen's) trying to be better when they offer the same thing as the last rom.
I love CR_Mod. Chiefz seemed to let it go for now and MusicMan came and did something with it. Cyanoginger is also a fresh take on the CM source with further advances to working properly. And really, all roms seem to be pretty fast so they're just about equal in speed. The fact that there's less bloatware makes it even smoother. These are exactly what we need.
This thread is asking for comments on roms you LIKE, other than CM, it is not a place to flame other members. Any more of this flaming/disrespecting others will result in infractions.
I couldn't care less if people like or dislike a particular rom or dev, I do however care that recently people have been using this forum to vent their anger at others. I'm not prepared to let this continue. If you have a problem with someone take it to PM or report their post. Let this serve as the one and only warning that I will start issuing infractions if this behaviour continues.
I should point out that this is a general warning to everyone, not just the people who have recently had posts deleted in other threads.
To answer the op, cyanogenmod is the rom of choice because people love customization. Plus people like solid roms. From experience, cm has more features and is more stable. Plus, if google ever releases a new version of android, cyanogen is usually the first to give it to us. I think i just have cyanogenmod loyalty since our G1s stopped getting OTAs after 1.6 and cyanogen kept us up-to-date. I've tried sense roms on the G1 one. They ran so slowwwwwwwwwww!
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I'm also a big fan of CM but unfortunately, it gave me a huge problem for some reason where I couldn't call one of my contacts. I was helped through it by T-Mo tech support for about a month and eventually I just decided it must be the ROM so I unrooted and everything's been fine. Clearly some combination of the root and my network connection didn't gel. So, sadly, I had to give up CM 6.0. I was hoping to inspire some good dialogue about the functionality of other ROMs to see what people think about the other things going on in the Slide ROM world.
Those of you who have said "other", let us know which ones and why!
I don't get it. Noobs love stock for some reason. They call custom roms buggy and glitchy whilst they are on a non overclocked, battery eating, sense 2.1 ROM.
We must CONVERT them to the custom ROM side. I dont make roms for people to call them buggy without even. looking at them.
Feel free to share your views and flame here. The wildfire s modorator doesn't really care anyway.
Okay, I'll bite.
First of all, I'm not sure if "noobs love stock" is entirely accurate.
From what I've directly seen/heard, I'm actually experiencing the opposite. Newbs are coming out of the woodwork with their (perfectly adequate) WFS and saying "Hey, I heard there's a custom ROM for this thing! That sounds like hacking! Hacking is cool! Therefore, I want it!"
I don't think a lot of the "noobs" (I hate that word... we were all NOOBS at one point) fully understand what they will gain (and, more importantly, LOSE) by upgrading to a custom ROM. I don't think there's any custom ROM out there right now that makes my phone objectively better. Instead, what you get are custom ROMs that do a, b, and c better, but in the meantime they break features x, y, and z. It's up to you, the user, to decide if you can live with the trade-off and what features are honestly the most important to you.
You say, "They call custom roms buggy and glitchy" but I think that's because, generally, they are! Of the 15+ ROMs I've tested, a lot were simply buggy or glitchy. Almost all had at least 1 minor problem with them. In the end, it comes down to "can I live with this bug?"
You're right - no one should call your (or any) ROM "buggy" if they haven't actually tried it. That's just stupid. But I'm getting the impression that isn't the actual core of your complaint. You want to see everyone convert to a custom ROM. Well, I'm on board with that... but you gotta understand: the stock ROM is actually quite good. I will grant that it comes with too much bloatware. But the Sense UI is simply stunning and stable. Almost everyone I asked says they miss it (after upgrading to a custom ROM) and they simply "learn to live without it"). I don't want to learn to live without it. I want my Sense experience, minus all the bloatware, stable, and a decent battery life.
You complain about the stock battery life? But I find custom ROMs MUCH worse at handling the battery than the stock (all other settings being equal). Dunno why this is, but it just is.
In a nutshell, users will just have to decide for themselves.
If you create a grid, like I did (sorry I don't have the link handy, but it's on XDA somewhere) and compare each ROM side by side, one thing will become immediately obvious to you: while each ROM may excel in 1 or 2 features, no one ROM excels in ALL features. So, you're back to the user having to make a decision: what do I value more? And any time she has to do that, she won't be 100% satisfied with a custom ROM because she'll know, in the back of her mind, what perfectly useful function she had to give up in order to move to the new custom ROM.
If you need specifics, I'll give you specifics. But for now, I promise you that each custom ROM does at least one thing worse than stock.
- Anthony
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p.s.
Lest I be regarded as "ungrateful", I just want to make it clear:
I am currently running a custom ROM and I am extremely grateful for all the chefs who cook us up these yummy things. I've expressed my gratitude several times across several threads. That, however, is not the issue here. The issue is that I still find myself having to learn to live with a deficit (or two) after upgrading to a custom ROM, as described in my above post.
I totally agree with "Tigger31337"...
btw I am using stock 2.3.5 which I have modified a little for my needs with some scripts and I am really happy with it...stock is stable for sure, I hope you new sense3.5 rom gets to where the stock is because i would like to support you and to use the better sense
Kind Regards
I think users who run custom roms are doing so because they like to tinker, not because they make their phones that much better.
I run CM7 but its got a bug with the camera flash and therefore makes it perhaps less better than stock, but I flashed it because this stuff interests me.
The majority of users want a phone to make calls, text and run a few apps and stock does that. Most users have no idea their phones can run custom roms and even less idea how to flash a rom.
As for bloatware, custom roms are guilty of this as well. Does CM7 need to come with a torch app built in :-0
Scott
scott_doyland said:
As for bloatware, custom roms are guilty of this as well. Does CM7 need to come with a torch app built in :-0
Scott
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I see what you are talking about with bloatware. That's why I keep my stuff from .sense in /data/app where possible, so users can uninstall if they wish.
Users can uninstall bloatware once their phone is rooted.
Hi, users can uninstall bloatware once rooted but I think its not too healthy for the system as often users don't know what is safe to remove.
Much better to put apps that can be uninstalled without causing any system instability into /data/app as mentioned above. That's a really good thing to do as it allows the user to know what they can safely uninstall.
Scott
My opinion
I also do love custom ROMs especially CM7 with its awesome settings and theme chooser.
Also debloated sense ROMs are good (who wants peep, stocks, all the crap from htc).
Now my opinion on the WFSDEV Team
Do they work together? I don't think so
The ACE team is a real team, they do massive work, CM9 and other great ROMS
The chat is empty, and never worked well
No CM9, will it ever come
I asked for help with a cwm zip (week ago), the team didn't even look at it
Massive flood of sense 3.5 ROMS, based on the port of 1 person.
This will make it very clear for users which rom to choose of course
I hope it will get better soon if not, I'm going to leave the DEV team, because now, not a proud member.
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I also do love custom ROMs especially CM7 with its awesome settings and theme chooser.
Also debloated sense ROMs are good (who wants peep, stocks, all the crap from htc).
Now my opinion on the WFSDEV Team
Do they work together? I don't think so
The ACE team is a real team, they do massive work, CM9 and other great ROMS
The chat is empty, and never worked well
No CM9, will it ever come
I asked for help with a cwm zip (week ago), the team didn't even look at it
Massive flood of sense 3.5 ROMS, based on the port of 1 person.
This will make it very clear for users which rom to choose of course
I hope it will get better soon if not, I'm going to leave the DEV team, because now, not a proud member.
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very true. we need to re-think this. cm9 is a mess, as only one dev is making breakthroughs and he's gone on holiday or something.
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very true. we need to re-think this. cm9 is a mess, as only one dev is making breakthroughs and he's gone on holiday or something.
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I agree. I am making a "dev lounge" a.k.a. "job management system" however it needs work.
Hi guys and gals.
I am not very familiar with the AT&T/Rogers ROMs and I would like to hear people's opinion on what they run most of the time. From what I understand so far, Task650's seems very popular and from running it for a couple of days, I can see it's very smooth and fast. Vanilla RootBox seems to have the very latest bells and whistle which is always nice, but it also has nightlies which can mean a lot of flashing and less stability.
Am I wrong to think that a good pick for a great ROM that is very stable is Task650s while something very cutting edge would be Vanilla Rootbox?
I like the fun stuff like everyone else, yet I also want stuff to work. I'm okay with the occasional FC, it comes with the rooting experience but issues with getting calls, mms, sms, or basic functionality loss is kind of a big deal.
Thanks!
Flashing takes approximately 35 seconds (including gapps). It probably took you...I'm guessing... 3 minutes to write that post. In that time you could've flashed one of the ROMs and be that much closer to figuring out which one you like better.
Also, no ones forcing you to flash all of the nightlies. That's why they invented changelogs. If you see something cool in the changelog, flash it. If not go for a walk, hit on some chicks, or terrorize a group of school children.
Alright gotta go I need to start a thread asking which flavor ice cream I should be eating.
From my history of flashing roms - Task's AOKP has given me the best experience. Smoothness and stability is the definitely the best with his rom, his roms also come with tons of a bells and whistles and if anything is ever broken, he is pretty quick to fix it.
Haven't tried rootbox in a few months - by bells and whistles, what exactly do you mean?
EDIT: I'm on Telus and have had no issues with Task's AOKP with regards to receiving calls/sms/mms... I think you should be fine.
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Haven't tried rootbox in a few months - by bells and whistles, what exactly do you mean?
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I was mostly remembering that for awhile on the Rezound, ROMs were out but SMS/MMS wouldn't work well. I didn't see that issue with any rom I tried for the G3.
Well I tried both and when I look at features, I find it hard to tell them apart. Today's version of Rootbox has HALO which I think can be useful, and there's also the PIE stuff but I don't care about that feature.
I wouldn't be surprised if Task comes up with a version with HALO integrated, I'd definitely go for that.
I remember for the Rezoune, there were ROMs like ViperRez which was packed with features, but wasn't very stable.
On the other hand, there was stuff like CleanRom which was basically Vanilla with the bloat removed. Nothing exciting, but very stable.
So all I wanted to know was am I correct to think that Task releases less roms that perhaps don't have all the latest stuff but always runs solid, while Vanilla has the latest at perhaps the cost of a few more bugs.
Thread cleaned, and, thread closed...This is not a place for self-righteousness and rudeness.
Additionally, this looks a lot like a "best rom" thread, which we do not do around here, read, learn and form your own opinion, and always be courteous and respectful in your posts and exchanges with users.
Try to help, and, if you cannot, log off and find some other place to be ungrateful. This is not the place for that.
Ok I've been using Jelly bomb for a while, its ok seems to have some cool features and performance tweak tools pre-installed.
But a lot of other stuff shoe horned it that just seems to be for aesthetics, and perhaps overlap, and confilict, stuff like pimp my rom always crashes, I was never able to get flash to work properly.
I'm considering going back to just the Vanilla Stock DeOdexed rooted, and building up from there.
The things I'm most interested in having are, performance tweaking tools, decent functional features like TORCH
WiFi Tether even USB Tether if someone has gotten it to work on the GN2.
I want Touch Wiz, I really like the stock S-Note I've bought Papyrus, and Autodesk, I still prefer S-note for some things.
I don't care about all the buttons re themed, in fact I don't want a total theme I'll figure that out if I cared that much.
I prefer the stock water/ink effect for the galaxy note lock screen.
I would like to make sure I have access to the hidden menu stuff, and multi window for all.
I would like some way of forcing connection optimization wizard off. It seems to always be checked on, when ever I look at it.
I find the fact that groups like Team Venum have so many projects, yet no comprehensive guide to their projects anywhere very confusing, I don't want to waste hours test driving every custom rom.
simple and seamless, with little Fan Fare, is what I want.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
You really should place this in Q and A. You will get more positive responses there. All phones respond to roms differently, you are best off trying and nandroiding until you find one you like. good luck.
Thanks and I really don't know they seem pretty hostile in there when people ask for recommendations not sure how or why a rom will behave wildly differently on the same device owned by a different person, unless Samsung has some HUGE QC issues, since this is the Galaxy note 2 thread shouldn't behavior be consistent?
Also I'm still confused about groups like Team Venum having a multitude of Roms.
Shouldn't A "TEAM" Be working on one MAIN rom
or if its working on Multiple roms, shouldn't they have a somewhat comprehensive thread, discussing the different roms and how they might best serve
a users needs?
Honestly I don't have time to keep up and read thousands of pages of threads dedicated to various Roms, that don't even seem to declare what the roms
strengths and weaknesses are, just a list of things changed, added and modified.
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Thanks and I really don't know they seem pretty hostile in there when people ask for recommendations not sure how or why a rom will behave wildly differently on the same device owned by a different person, unless Samsung has some HUGE QC issues, since this is the Galaxy note 2 thread shouldn't behavior be consistent?
Also I'm still confused about groups like Team Venum having a multitude of Roms.
Shouldn't A "TEAM" Be working on one MAIN rom
or if its working on Multiple roms, shouldn't they have a somewhat comprehensive thread, discussing the different roms and how they might best serve
a users needs?
Honestly I don't have time to keep up and read thousands of pages of threads dedicated to various Roms, that don't even seem to declare what the roms
strengths and weaknesses are, just a list of things changed, added and modified.
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not so much "wildly" different, but kernels may have different effects on different devices, ie, some phones can take a higher overclock than others that will freeze up and or reboot. It's really more about nuances as most of the peeps are enthusiasts on this forum, a little means alot.
Try Mack's or Miijah's... they are both stellar.
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not so much "wildly" different, but kernels may have different effects on different devices, ie, some phones can take a higher overclock than others that will freeze up and or reboot. It's really more about nuances as most of the peeps are enthusiasts on this forum, a little means alot.
Try Mack's or Miijah's... they are both stellar.
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Yay A recommendation Thanks, now I have something I can investigate.
I find the fact that groups like Team Venum have so many projects, yet no comprehensive guide to their projects anywhere very confusing, I don't want to waste hours test driving every custom rom.
i dont get the first part at all..if you dont wanna spend hours on here i advise you to not root your phone if your not willing to learn about how it works..trying out the roms is what its all about to see whats best for you not what someone else thinks is good for you..
I agree with what evolving is saying, they're not making a product to sell. This is they're past time and hobby, they don't have to make the roms if they don't want to. If you don't feel like trying them out then don't, stick with what you know or try a stock rom. I do know what you mean, some roms do feel bloated but again it's up to the user. I found my rom and I've tried just about all and I thank all the developers for creating so many to choose from.
Did I miss the download link to this rom since it's in development?
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss :flipoff2:
-SoA: Son's of Android™
MiguelHogue said:
Did I miss the download link to this rom since it's in development?
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss :flipoff2:
-SoA: Son's of Android™
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I heard this rom makes toast for you. could someone tell me where to find the settings for that?
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I heard this rom makes toast for you. could someone tell me where to find the settings for that?
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Is it Android 42....Zebra Cake????
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I clung to my OG4G until a month ago mostly because the roms I was using were so superb - Myn's Warm and Myn's Synergy. I finally got the Note 2, I rooted it right out of the box and have been tweaking things myself while searching for a good ROM.
Reading the First Posts were always fun (sarcasm) and informative enough for me to know their claims were insane and I really don't want Pacmen or Blobs showing up constantly, anyway... Then I hit on Goodness Noteworthy 1.07...
This is a GREAT ROM. Deodexed, slick, fast, good looking, and it includes a ton of nice tricks for tweaking things yourself. And d/l and flash the 3 Minit Add on.
Can't recommend it more highly.
Try Digi's ROM. Very stable. I believe the battery and 4g icons are themed the rest is pure Stock.
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Digiblur is a nice, consistent rom; I use it with perseus kernel. It has all the Samsung nosense out if it yet retains the good stuff including hardwriting Samsung keyboard.
I have to close the thread (its run its course) and move it to Q and A. Please follow the rules... even I can't post questions in the development section... And yes not only am I a Moderator here but I'm the leader of that confusing team too...
Not closed???? Lol :beer:
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So, granted, there aren't many custom touchwiz based ROMs out, but do you find xposed and wanam make custom ROMs superfluous?
Looking at what's out for both our and other models, I haven't seen anything that can't be done with xposed. I've debated downloading one just to rip the buildprop. But after removing the bloat on my own, I can't see any reason to flash anything other than a new kernel, when it comes, and possibly AOSP stuff, when they come.
Am I alone here? I mean no disrespect to the devs who've released stuff, I just don't see much beyond manual edits that I've already applied through xposed. I realize it's early, but I also can't imagine what can be done beyond bundling random crap the dev fancies.
I come from the Note 1, so I've had to survive on AOSP for the last year, so maybe I'm missing something obvious?
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So, granted, there aren't many custom touchwiz based ROMs out, but do you find xposed and wanam make custom ROMs superfluous?
Looking at what's out for both our and other models, I haven't seen anything that can't be done with xposed. I've debated downloading one just to rip the buildprop. But after removing the bloat on my own, I can't see any reason to flash anything other than a new kernel, when it comes, and possibly AOSP stuff, when they come.
Am I alone here? I mean no disrespect to the devs who've released stuff, I just don't see much beyond manual edits that I've already applied through xposed. I realize it's early, but I also can't imagine what can be done beyond bundling random crap the dev fancies.
I come from the Note 1, so I've had to survive on AOSP for the last year, so maybe I'm missing something obvious?
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Comparable to custom ROMs? Sure. Make them superfluous? Nah. Custom ROMs still have a lot more under-the-hood low-level tweaking that can seriously enhance any user's experience. X-Posed and Wanam module give a huge amount of versatility (especially on the UI end of things) and much, much more. But a complete, custom ROM still offers the best, fully-loaded package, imho.
I like running on as much open source software as possible, so no. Wanam just adds more closed source on top of closed source TouchWiz. I like frequent updates as well.
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Comparable to custom ROMs? Sure. Make them superfluous? Nah. Custom ROMs still have a lot more under-the-hood low-level tweaking that can seriously enhance any user's experience. X-Posed and Wanam module give a huge amount of versatility (especially on the UI end of things) and much, much more. But a complete, custom ROM still offers the best, fully-loaded package, imho.
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You're right. Or I should say, I hope you're right. I think I've become numb to threads about ROMs. For the most part, any ROM thread's contents are interchangeable. "Better battery", "buttery smooth," "GPS tweaks," etc.
It's like walking trough a grocery store where there is only 1 type of food - let's say peanuts. Rows and rows of peanuts. And on these peanuts are little eye catching slogans. New recipe! Less fat! Great taste! Sure there may be some minor differences, but one could believe that some jerks just splashed words on the label with no real differences in the product. But your aunt, well she swears by one particular brand. You try to explain to her that it's a placebo, but there's no helping her. She just firmly believes they do something different.
Now, big metaphor over, I'm not insinuating devs lie. What I am saying is ROM threads are mostly marketing slogans. And those slogans are used in everyyyy thread. You made an edit to the build.prop that "should" affect battery life, has no means to measure its efficacy, and is used by every custom ROM around? Cool. Advertise better battery! I think a dev going into more details about what they actually did rather than "faster! Better! Awesome!" would make their product seem like more than decompiling a few apks, following a guide, and recompiling.
The differences in AOKP to CM to PA are very visible to at least a power user. The differences in tw ROMs seem, maybe just seem, to be a few superficial cosmetics, and, well, just take the dev's word on the rest - it's definitely a new improved recipe!
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You're right. Or I should say, I hope you're right. I think I've become numb to threads about ROMs. For the most part, any ROM thread's contents are interchangeable. "Better battery", "buttery smooth," "GPS tweaks," etc.
It's like walking trough a grocery store where there is only 1 type of food - let's say peanuts. Rows and rows of peanuts. And on these peanuts are little eye catching slogans. New recipe! Less fat! Great taste! Sure there may be some minor differences, but one could believe that some jerks just splashed words on the label with no real differences in the product. But your aunt, well she swears by one particular brand. You try to explain to her that it's a placebo, but there's no helping her. She just firmly believes they do something different.
Now, big metaphor over, I'm not insinuating devs lie. What I am saying is ROM threads are mostly marketing slogans. And those slogans are used in everyyyy thread. You made an edit to the build.prop that "should" affect battery life, has no means to measure its efficacy, and is used by every custom ROM around? Cool. Advertise better battery! I think a dev going into more details about what they actually did rather than "faster! Better! Awesome!" would make their product seem like more than decompiling a few apks, following a guide, and recompiling.
The differences in AOKP to CM to PA are very visible to at least a power user. The differences in tw ROMs seem, maybe just seem, to be a few superficial cosmetics, and, well, just take the dev's word on the rest - it's definitely a new improved recipe!
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I agree that this sort of thing happens - there is an element of buzzword that you see more often than not. I'm also not a fan of such things, but it is what it is - that being said, not all TW rom threads do that (though they are possibly a bit less popular as a result lol). Sure seems like it sometimes though