I have my first android phone, an HTC Desire and I am very happy with it.
But the only thing that is annoying is the low memory notification when I installed a few apps. So I search the internet found that I can "root" my phone and install a custom rom and have the possibility to use apps2sd.
Now I am a bit scared to root my phone because its just new and I dont want to brick it and I dont know if I void warranty when its rooted.
My desire came with the 2.2 froyo update it has HBOOT 0.93 on it so I don't know if this possible? I think I have the SLCD version because there's nothing of AMOLED write on the box of my phone.
So then I found a patch that can do apps2sd without root but only for 2.2 froyo so I did that and I think it worked well, only if I connect with the pc and use to set the sd card to put files on it,
put it out the pc and some widgets don't work anymore that are installed or moved to the sd card? Is this also with a rooted rom or something like that? What can I do more if I root?
Do I need to install a custom rom or root and stay on the standard 2.2 froyo rom (with I am very happy with) and then install apps2sd or something like that?
Do I notice improved performance with a custom rom? Do I lost all my settings and data when I root or install a custom rom?
Oh and if I install a custom rom will it work in my country (Belgium) because I heard about a radio version or something?
Sorry if I ask to much or all the questions are noob but I am totally new to all this and I want to know more about it.
Thanks in advance
There are two A2SD version.
The one, which is integrated in Froyo and which you currently uses, allows you to manually move parts of apps to the SD card, thus freeing up some precious internal memory. However, you shouldn't move widgets or apps which run as a service in the background, else they don't work properly any longer, just as you noticed yourself. Still, with this method you should be able to significantly extent the possible amount of installable apps.
It's also possible that you have an odd app installed which just collects a lot of trash and stroes this on the internal memory as 'data'. With the app 'DiskUsage' you can see how much each app needs and, if necessary and possible clear the data of a specific app.
The other A2SD version is only available if you root your phone and install a custom ROM with A2SD+. This method also requires an EXT3 partition on your SD-Card, next to your normal FAT32 partition. After that all the apps (including widgets), the complete apps, get automatically installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-Card, only the 'data' which gets produced by the apps over the time, gets stored on the internal phone memory. You don't have to move some apps around, they just get installed on the EXT3 partition, which is 512MB big or larger.
There are two groups of custom ROMs:
#1: It is based on the HTC modified Android source code of, often called Sense ROMs, which you use at the moment. Developers took it, added some features like A2SD+, root, removed some bloatware, tweaked the kernel, ... So it's identical to your currently installed ROM just a bit faster, lighter and has some more features and customizable possibilities.
#2: It's is based on the original Android source code, often called AOSP ROM. (CyanogenMod is one of the most famous ones, DeFroST is based on CM) Those lack all the Sense features (Sense widgets, HTC Sync, comfortable copy paste, ...) but are much lighter, often have much more additional features and the latest tweaks.
Rooting and installing such a custom ROM means you'll have to start from the beginning on. So you'll lose everything. That's why you should backup your contacts, ... to restore them later, if possible.
Best is to install all apps manually again, and do the configuration from scratch. Later, you can easily flash updates of the specific custom roms on top of that.
You can flash two parts. The ROM and the radio. If you flash a custom ROM the radio stays untouched. However, some radios give you better battery life, signal strength, ..., also in Belgium, just take a look at the specific threads about the radios to find the best for you. But it's not necessary to flash the radio. The ROMs will work with your default radio, too.
UpSpin said:
There are two A2SD version.
The one, which is integrated in Froyo and which you currently uses, allows you to manually move parts of apps to the SD card, thus freeing up some precious internal memory. However, you shouldn't move widgets or apps which run as a service in the background, else they don't work properly any longer, just as you noticed yourself. Still, with this method you should be able to significantly extent the possible amount of installable apps.
It's also possible that you have an odd app installed which just collects a lot of trash and stroes this on the internal memory as 'data'. With the app 'DiskUsage' you can see how much each app needs and, if necessary and possible clear the data of a specific app.
The other A2SD version is only available if you root your phone and install a custom ROM with A2SD+. This method also requires an EXT3 partition on your SD-Card, next to your normal FAT32 partition. After that all the apps (including widgets), the complete apps, get automatically installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-Card, only the 'data' which gets produced by the apps over the time, gets stored on the internal phone memory. You don't have to move some apps around, they just get installed on the EXT3 partition, which is 512MB big or larger.
There are two groups of custom ROMs:
#1: It is based on the HTC modified Android source code of, often called Sense ROMs, which you use at the moment. Developers took it, added some features like A2SD+, root, removed some bloatware, tweaked the kernel, ... So it's identical to your currently installed ROM just a bit faster, lighter and has some more features and customizable possibilities.
#2: It's is based on the original Android source code, often called AOSP ROM. (CyanogenMod is one of the most famous ones, DeFroST is based on CM) Those lack all the Sense features (Sense widgets, HTC Sync, comfortable copy paste, ...) but are much lighter, often have much more additional features and the latest tweaks.
Rooting and installing such a custom ROM means you'll have to start from the beginning on. So you'll lose everything. That's why you should backup your contacts, ... to restore them later, if possible.
Best is to install all apps manually again, and do the configuration from scratch. Later, you can easily flash updates of the specific custom roms on top of that.
You can flash two parts. The ROM and the radio. If you flash a custom ROM the radio stays untouched. However, some radios give you better battery life, signal strength, ..., also in Belgium, just take a look at the specific threads about the radios to find the best for you. But it's not necessary to flash the radio. The ROMs will work with your default radio, too.
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Thank you for your answer and time to explain this! So if I got it right I need to install a custom rom to enable the apps2sd feature. I heard about unrevoked that can root my desire (also if i bought it with 2.2 froyo already on it, no need to downgrade)? but the unrevoked install also an other recovery? Do I void warranty if I install another recovery? It sounds a bit dangerous?
Are there roms that improved performance while recording in 720p? no framedrops etc? or its just the camera from the device is not that good for recoding in HD? Is it worth it to root and install a custom rom?
Thanks in advance
If you root your device you will void your warranty but there are ways of unrooting.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
an Android device has different sections you can flash, like the rom, radio, recovery, ...
If you use unrevoked it will automatically flash a new recovery, necessary to perform backups, partition the SD card, ...
Yes, you'll void the warranty, but you can flash a HTC original image to unroot, install the default radio and rom, in short, set it back to the defaults.
How well the camera works depends on the rom you use. Take a look at the specific rom, like LeeDroid, and check how well the camera works.
Is it worth? For some yes, for others no.
Because you get limited by the internal memory, it is worth for you to use a custom ROM with a2sd+.
Thanks for all advice! Now its up to me if I should root or not. I am thinking about it. Thanks to all who spend time to reply all my questions!
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Hello everyone,
I just got myself a new HTC Desire with Vodafone Branding.
HBOOT : 0.800
Software number: 1.19.161.5 (I believe this should be Android 2.1)
Kernel version : 2.6.29-b7e82785 (I guess this is still HTC original)
I wanna root my phone and if I guess that I can do further, I am also thinking of using another rom.
My main concern is that the internal memory can not fit any more apps and I still want to add more, after searching in the internet I found out that I need to root and/or to use other rom.
Second concern...I just wanna learn..
I have downloaded Unrevoked3 and the H-Boot USB driver.
From what I have read, I am all set for rooting (gonna do this tomorrow evening after work and after I have calmed down a bit, I am a bit nervous cause this is my first time ).
I have removed the HTCsync but still keeping the drivers.
I also know that I will need ClockworkMod. Make EXT2/3/4 partition with at least 512MB (I would like to make it 1gb) and optional SWAP (perhaps I will make it 256mb, do I really need SWAP?).
So, please teach me on :
1. Now about the rom, I need an Android 2.2 with optimum stability and speed, to tell you the fact, I don't even now which one and where to get it.
2. Beside the main rom, do I need also the camera and radio rom to get them running? again where to get them? How do I install them? The same way as installing the main rom (from HBOOT recovery)? Before or after installing the main rom?
3. How to make the back up of my current rom, setting, and apps? I don't have much apps yet but perhaps I would need the backup if something went wrong.
I still a whole bunch of questions but I guess those will do for now.
Please be kind and help me one this one pleaassssseeeeeeeee...
Anyway...thanks in advance.
Read in development.
Sent from my Evil Lair using Doomsday Device
1. This thread has all the rom's in it. It's all about personal taste but if you like sense i would recommend Leedroid to start with.
2. When you come form 2.1 you will need to upgrade your Radio, if you OTA upgrade to 2.2 before rooting you do not have to update your radio but you can. A link to the radio thread is also in the above link.
3.
Once you are rooted with unrevoked you can preform a nandroid form recovery or you can download Rom Manager from the market and backup via that.
If you just want to backup apps you can use titanium backup or you could sync your apps with appbrain and reinstall them.
About the ext partition, i think swap is not necessary and if you want a 1 gig partition use Gparted
Thank you very much for the answer.
I will look into those first.
If I found any trouble, I will ask you guys again.
Thank you again.
First, I wanna say thank you again.
I have read some review about the LeeDroid. It sounds very good.
I will pick LeeDroid as my first after market rom.
I will thus flash (.zip files are already downloaded in the PC) :
Leedroid 2.2e
Latest Radio ROM; 32.48.00.32U_5.11.05.27
LeeDroid 2.2e Kernel Boot Fix (Just to be sure, because I don't how my desires proc can be OCed)
DSP Manager.
My last questions:
- Is there any particular order which rom I should flash first?
Example : LeeDroid - Radio - Kernel Fix - DSP manager
-Can I flash them all with only 1 reboot (flash everything and choose reboot only once in H-Boot recovery menu)? or Do I have to flash only one at a time, reboot, and flash the next one and reboot again?
I'm not sure about radio's.
But if you flash leedroid 2.2e you need to flash it and after it (without reboot) flash the bootfix kernel.
Addons and theme's should be flash after the first full boot.
that is the correct order
you must flash the rom first, reboot, then flash the rest all in one go. REMEBER the first reboot is important!!
Got it!
Radio (I need the radio rom cause my radio rom is old, belongs to original 2.1) , Leedroid main rom and Kernel Fix in one go, then 1st reboot.
And then the other addons in one go.
and of course reboot again.
Thanks a lot guys!
aaa said:
Got it!
Radio (I need the radio rom cause my radio rom is old, belongs to original 2.1) , Leedroid main rom and Kernel Fix in one go, then 1st reboot.
And then the other addons in one go.
and of course reboot again.
Thanks a lot guys!
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check here for improved gaming performance, you can download leedroid kernel with boot fix, SD speed fix and GPU driver patch http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=825304
h3llb3nd4 why is it important to reboot after rom flash?
It needs to install the boot images for the Rom.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
lots of things came up to me this weekend, I am not able to flash my Desire.
Since I am doing this for the first time, I would like to have a quite time for myself alone, so that I am calm during the flashing just in case if something went wrong.
well...I will do it (I hope) on next friday evening...
I will write again the progress next week.
Untill now all I have done is the rooting via Unrevoked3, and installing the rom manager from android market. I haven'T even formatted the sd card.
Thanks again.
OK, Go to hell with quiteness.
I can not wait hehehehe just to anxious to start flashing.
and.....
I did it...it works...
Thank you
Flashing is not that hard...hehehehe...
I have played with LeeDroid and I have to say...This can do a lot more than the original.
Hmmm...I a fan of Sense although some say it slows down the phone.
I have tried the HTC HD ROM on my Desire, I like the new sense but too bad the camera still doesn't work. I have to go back to LeeDroid just because of the camera problem.
|OP|,
I joined this forum because I am a newbie just like you (before you got your Jedi-Flashing Wings).
I too have a HTC Desire running Android 2.2 (Kernel 2.6.32.15). I have exactly the same problem as you had - I've run out of room for apps on internal memory and the standard Froyo apps2sd thing can't shift anything else to the SD card.
I'm really interested to learn how your phone handles apps now. Does your phone think it has 1 gig of internal memory? Are you able to shift every app to the SD card? Did you have to give up your HTC apps and widgets?
I would really appreciate any feedback.
Cheers!
Yup...limited room for installing apps is my main or perhaps my only reason of flashing my desire with modified rom.
- About the 1GB thing, well I didn't do it since I wanna try the flashing procedure just as it is described in youtube desire rom flashing guide (not confident enough to do it all alone), and it is shown in youtube using only 512MB
But, I will try it later (planned on december after I finish my university assignment).
-Well, I have flashed and used it only for about a day or two, so I am still not 100% sure, but all the apps I have downloaded and installed are all going to the SDCard. I guess all of them will eventually go to the SDCard.
-HTC Apps and widgets? Everything is there, as far as I noticed until now.
Now, I am enjoying the DSP equalizer, apps to SDCard (16GB ), but still afraid of OCing.
SMS, WLAN, Camera, E-Mail, etc. seem to work smooth, no bugs found so far.
My Desire seems to run faster than with the original rom, but it is just my subjectiv comparison.
The phone won't 'see' your EXT partition but when you install apps the quoted storage will barely go down...I have a 1GB EXT3 partition on my SD card for when I use a custom ROM, its 16GB so I don't miss the space as I'm on a stock ROM at present and don't use many apps
EddyOS said:
The phone won't 'see' your EXT partition but when you install apps the quoted storage will barely go down...I have a 1GB EXT3 partition on my SD card for when I use a custom ROM, its 16GB so I don't miss the space as I'm on a stock ROM at present and don't use many apps
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If the storage are going down or used slowly, is it worth to have 1GB as EXT3 or just leave it be at 512MB?
Depends on the ammount of unneccessary apps you plan to install
EddyOS said:
Depends on the ammount of unneccessary apps you plan to install
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Hahahahahahaha....
You got that one right on the spot.
Most of my apps are games.
Games are not considered as necessary apps.
I will stick with 512MB
Thanks EddyOS and |OS|,
This sounds awesome! I've got 14 MB remaining on my internal memory and a long list of apps I still want to play with.
With this news I'm going to jump into the whole flashing/rooting thing (incidently why do both of these terms have sexual overtones?).
LeeDroid here I come!
|O2| did you use the Unrevoked root method? Could you possibly post the youtube link that you mentioned? I am, as you were, quite anxious about turning my beloved Desire into an expensive paperweight so any extra tips would be very appreciated. (I have heard that it is fairly simple and has a very low risk but I'm still a bit hesitant)
Thanks again! What a wonderfully helpful community this is!
Hi all, my first post here, i cant help it but i am nearly 65, bald and retired !.
I treated myself to a Desire last week, un-branded, £10 month with Tescos.
I have been Rooted a few days now, i want to Flash a Rom next, but with so many out there, where do i start ?.
At a guess i do believe i should try CyanogenMOD 7 , but please bear in mind i am completely new to this Smartphone business and i am slow in picking things up, so is "CM7" a bit too much for my grey matter, or am i putting obsticles in the way that dont really exist !
I was very pleased with my faultless rooting, and i have rehearsed the Rom Flashing continuosly using Rom Manager which looks as if it does all the dirty work for me.
If there is a ROM for noobies i havent found it yet !!!!
Tim
You don't have to be a expert to use Cyanogenmod but i would say it's more complicated then something like Leedroid. If you flash the nonA2SD version you have nothing else to worry about, like partitioning your sd card.
One important thing to realize is that Cyanogenmod and Sense rom's are quite different, is there a particulate reason you mention Cyanogenmod? Because if there is you might as well learn how to use it from the beginning.
Also don't forget to make a nandroid (backup in rom manager) before you flash a other rom.
TheGhost1233 said:
You don't have to be a expert to use Cyanogenmod but i would say it's more complicated then something like Leedroid. If you flash the nonA2SD version you have nothing else to worry about, like partitioning your sd card.
One important thing to realize is that Cyanogenmod and Sense rom's are quite different, is there a particulate reason you mention Cyanogenmod? Because if there is you might as well learn how to use it from the beginning.
Also don't forget to make a nandroid (backup in rom manager) before you flash a other rom.
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Hi Mr Ghost, i am well pleased somebody replied, CM7 is simply the one that crops up the most. The word Sense, does this by any chance mean HTC Sense ? so if a Rom doesnt have Sense that must mean it doesnt have many or any of the features that make my current ROM more friendly to use.
If CM7 doesnt have SENSE does that mean that the keyboard doent do Landscape mode ?
LEEDROID yeah i could have a go at that one, TA ......... i dont really want to have to partition my SD card, i read about a Goldcard if you partition etc. which doesnt sound v. good.
O yes, i found that Rom Manager Backs Up my original ROM and Wipes, does it ONLY wipe the phones memory ?
thanks for you help
tim
Yes Sense means HTC Sense and you will lose some of the features, but not the landscape keyboard. However i would say HTC Sense makes the android introduction a bit easier and user friendly.
A goldcard is not the same as a card with a ext partition, but as long as you don't run in to space issues there is no need to partition your sd card.
Yes the wipes will only affect the phone memory, the sd card is untouched. Contacts are backed up with gmail but stuff like apps, sms, wireless settings ect is lost unless you back them up yourself. (Titanium backup)
TheGhost1233 said:
Yes Sense means HTC Sense and you will lose some of the features, but not the landscape keyboard. However i would say HTC Sense makes the android introduction a bit easier and user friendly.
A goldcard is not the same as a card with a ext partition, but as long as you don't run in to space issues there is no need to partition your sd card.
Yes the wipes will only affect the phone memory, the sd card is untouched. Contacts are backed up with gmail but stuff like apps, sms, wireless settings ect is lost unless you back them up yourself. (Titanium backup)
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Thanks, so it is LEEDROID for starters thanks buddy, i still dont know what a Goldcard is though, perhaps i dont need to know LOL.
One small problem, LEEDROID isnt available in the list of roms in Rom Manager, i suppose i shall have download it "manually" and get it in the relevant Rom Manager Folder, great sorted i should be able to do that.
I have Titanium Backup Pro as well so its best if i Backup "All user apps" that should be sufficient, yeah ? and itll be no good Backing up ANYTHING ELSE, becuase if restored it would mess up LEEDROID, am i correct with that assumption ?
tim
Yes i would say start with Leedroid.
Best thing is to only back up user apps, i never back up anything else. Most likely it will mess something up.
The goldcard is only needed when using a RUU with branded devices, for normal flashing you don't need one.
Just download the Leedroid noA2SD version and put in on your sd, not in any folder just on the sd. Then in rom manager go to install rom form sd and find the zip file.
Edit: looks like the site went down, here's another link. http://db.tt/FBKcMZD
Thanks for that info pal, youre a star.
I havent seen any mention on this site (although i havent searched for it yet) of the battery not lasting very long, however, off topic i suppose, and you can bollock me for that if you like,:-
for internet on my Desire at home i always use my home WiFi, my off topic question is, does WiFi take more out of the battery than using my Providers GSM/WCDMA connection ? i have hardly made a dent on my Providers Data allowance.
tim
What uses more power depends a bit on how strong your 3g signal is, if it's weak it will probably use more power on mobile data and if it's strong, wifi will use more data but this is no gonne make a significant difference on your battery life.
Usually the battery life gets better after some time, also let your battery drain once until the phone powers itself off and then charge it, while it's off, till it's full. Then use it normally again.
Absolutely brilliant Pal, thanks for sticking with me answering my questions for the last hour or two, it was really good of you thanks.
I will definitely try that with my battery next time it needscharging up, thanks.
I will report back tommorrow whether or not i still have a fully functioning phone, LOL. i feel far more confident about "doing it" now, afterall i'm not likely to be "doing it" with anything else ROFL !!!
tim
phew i had difficulty in locating the file, i eventually found the Leedroid Rom here
http://leedroid.com/bravo-roms
I also saw a "radio" file for the same Rom, dam, i have downloaded the latest version and will put it on my SD card the same place as the Rom file in the ROOT directory.
Until i got an Android Phone, i had only used Windows in all it's various versions, of course in Windows, the word ROOT simply means the Top (or bottom?) of the Folder Tree
but of course the same word can mean several hundred pounds when getting it wrong
PS.. do i need to do anything with this extra feature:-
•Re-added “Mod install location” to No A2SD build•
Tim
Root of the sd means not in a folder.
If you are currently on android 2.2 there is no real need to change radio. If you do change radio make sure you are absolutely sure what you are doing.
And you shouldn't have anything to do regarding the mod installation location.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Thanks that is what i was trying to say !.
Ok on the other two things, ta
Tim
Leedroid Flashed yippee
Thanks for all your help Mr Ghost, i am happily using the Leedroid Rom now, all went smoothly, the battery is still going down preety quickly, i am getting a new battery from HTC any day now, which may perform better than my original ?, but at least i shall have a spare LOL.
Tim
Cheers, another noob reassured. Don't have the excuse of even being close to 65.
I'll be going for the other, with the sd-card option.
Any pittfals I should be aware of?
germsandbugs said:
Cheers, another noob reassured. Don't have the excuse of even being close to 65.
I'll be going for the other, with the sd-card option.
Any pittfals I should be aware of?
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Backup your sd first, and remember to make an external partition if you want it to work with any a2sd rom!
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Backup your sd first, and remember to make an external partition if you want it to work with any a2sd rom!
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Hey, yeah i used the NON A2SD version and i must say it was very easy, i already had the market version of A2SD pro anyway, which works very well, if it causes so much more extra bovver, having to Partition the SD Card !, with the A2SD included in the Rom, why bother ?
What is the advantage, if any, of having this App on a Rom ?
tim
timmy toad said:
Hey, yeah i used the NON A2SD version and i must say it was very easy, i already had the market version of A2SD pro anyway, which works very well, if it causes so much more extra bovver, having to Partition the SD Card !, with the A2SD included in the Rom, why bother ?
What is the advantage, if any, of having this App on a Rom ?
tim
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No you misunderstand. To get more storage, there are several methods on android.
You get a froyo rom, which allows moving apps to the sd card. However not all of these apps can be moved over, and it is just the app data that is moved.
Method 2 is rooting and flashing a ROM which supports A2SD / A2SD+. This is very different from the apps to sd found on stock froyo. This allows pretty much all apps to be moved, and also moves things like the devlik cache and so on to the sd. It offers far superior storage to stock. For example on stock froyo with apps moved to sd, I can instal maybe 30 apps before I run out of memory. By contrast, I currently have over 100+ installed with A2SD running GingerVillain custom ROM with 64.9mb internal memory remaining.
I'm not the best at explaining things. Check out this FAQ, should answer all your questions.
http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-updated-17-02-11-a.html
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No you misunderstand. To get more storage, there are several methods on android.
You get a froyo rom, which allows moving apps to the sd card. However not all of these apps can be moved over, and it is just the app data that is moved.
Method 2 is rooting and flashing a ROM which supports A2SD / A2SD+. This is very different from the apps to sd found on stock froyo. This allows pretty much all apps to be moved, and also moves things like the devlik cache and so on to the sd. It offers far superior storage to stock. For example on stock froyo with apps moved to sd, I can instal maybe 30 apps before I run out of memory. By contrast, I currently have over 100+ installed with A2SD running GingerVillain custom ROM with 64.9mb internal memory remaining.
I'm not the best at explaining things. Check out this FAQ, should answer all your questions.
http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-updated-17-02-11-a.html
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Thanks for that buddy, i've got LEEDROID without A2SD, you have explained with A2SD extremely well, and in a way i can understand, although i can move a lot of Apps to my SD Card, i have noticed i cannot move all of them !, I learn summat everyday. thanks.
tim
timmy toad said:
Thanks for that buddy, i've got LEEDROID without A2SD, you have explained with A2SD extremely well, and in a way i can understand, although i can move a lot of Apps to my SD Card, i have noticed i cannot move all of them !, I learn summat everyday. thanks.
tim
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Yup definately worth upgrading to get more storage. Backup apps with titanium backup or mybackup root, then flash a2sd enabled rom, if N1 table user type scripts to enable in terminal and then restore apps. Simples
williamj1 said:
Yup definately worth upgrading to get more storage. Backup apps with titanium backup or mybackup root, then flash a2sd enabled rom, if N1 table user type scripts to enable in terminal and then restore apps. Simples
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AAAhhhh, Now you have completely befuddled me !, i dont know what you mean by N1 table table scripts in terminal etc.
I think i will stay as i am thanks, i am not quite so serious at getting my hands dirty as most of you are !. LOL
tim
IMPORTANT: Stable to me means little to no bugs after months of use, not hours or days. This is not a thread for experimentation
Hi there,
I'm currently using mildwild 4.3 on my original HTC desire.
The intention to begin with was to get a ROM that would be as stable as possible and would cause me as little fuss as possible and basically I could continue using with the desire until the desire itself gave up with battery, too many falls, a cracked screen etc, none of which has happened yet so is still going strong.
This phone is for business use and I don't enjoy having to change ROMS like a lot of users on the site would, I just want something that works and will give me the least amount of hassle.
The phone does restart itself on occasion but this has happened with other ROMS I've used too.
I'm not too pushed about having the latest and greatest apps and gadgets which may be offered in the latest android versions. I'm happy with what 4.3 offers, anything extra would be a bonus.
Now the issue with 4.3 again is the internal space. Right now if I go to apps > manage > all, I see I have 129MB used and 19MB free, I've been using LinksSD as an extra APP on 4.3 and have moved all I can to the SD card, so I can't free any more space. Unfortunately if I'm giving it heavy use and get a lot of emails etc, the USED/FREE ratio changes and if free gets to about 15MB, then I get the space warning and synching to the phone stops and I can't get important business information which I sync with the calendar etc.
I've managed to keep it steady around the 19mb mark but what prompted this message was the release of a new app I want which takes up 30mb as opposed to the current one on the phone taking up 10mb, I'm afraid this will use up my precious few MB and will give me the synching issues again.
So what I was wondering is, does Mildwild 5.5 (or greater) handle the internal space in a different way that as long as I have decent sized SD card, I should never have space issues with the internal memory? This is important also as both my friend and my father are having internal space issues with their original desire and if I find a solution would like to help them too.
If you could please advise on the most stable version of Mildwild for the HTC Desire and if there is one that handles the internal space differently to 4.3 and would therefore never give me internal space issues as long as I have a decent SD card inserted. 4.3 isn't the answer it seems, but hopefully there is an alternative?
Stability is of prime importance, given the phone is used and is crucial for my business and may be put on my father and friends phone too, I need to make sure I don't have to touch any phone due to bugs etc, hopefully ever! I'd also like everything to simply "work", video recording, bluetooth etc.
Any feedback, direct links to suggested ROMS etc would be greatly appreciated! I'd prefer to not stray away from Mildwild as before installing 4.3 I did a lot of research and I'd rather stick to what I know.
I would stay with oxygen, but you should update to the latest version.
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I would stay with oxygen, but you should update to the latest version.
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Thanks for the reply, so 4.3 is oxygen and 5.5 isn't? What's the latest oxygen do you know and does it address the space issue? What are the main reasons you suggest sticking with oxygen? Stability?
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Thanks for the reply, so 4.3 is oxygen and 5.5 isn't? What's the latest oxygen do you know and does it address the space issue? What are the main reasons you suggest sticking with oxygen? Stability?
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5.5 is an old CM7 based Mildwild.
4.3 is an old Oxygen based Mildwild.
Newer oxygen here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1353861
I would choose oxygen because it is the most stable custom android rom I know.
And if you would like more space, either change hboot, or check the sd-card partition guide in my sig.
I concur with MW's Oxygen-based ROMs as the most stable and reliable choice for your phone. However, instead of the most recent version (called MW-4.9 JG), I'd recommend version MW-4.4.
Why? Because up until that version, the ROM base that MildWild used was Oxygen w/ roalex tweaks, and from MW-4.5 onwards he went back to pure Oxygen. I find the roalex tweaks to be a very nice extra touch to the ROM, they make it feel like a more polished, finished piece of work.
Bottom line is, it's the best ROM I ever had on my phone, and after using it for months I've yet to encounter problems with it.
Thanks a lot for the continued support folks.
Ok, so given that oxegen is the most stable, I'd like to stay with that. Would there therefore be much difference between the 4.3 I'm currently using and 4.4 and then of course, 4.9? I do like polished tweaks, but if there's more stability in 4.9 I'd rather that.
So I guess it's either stick with 4.3, update to 4.4 or update to 4.9
Now, if I update, will either 4.4 or 4.9 provide a better way to manage the internal space issue?
I'm not very technical when it comes to these things, in fact, I had to pay someone to do a teamviewer session with me to guide me through doing the ROM etc in the first place so if I can avoid another ROM install, I'd prefer that.
Will changing the hboot (haven't a clue how to do that ) or following the guide in your sig coincide with 4.3, 4.4 or 4.9 do you think and if so, will completing the guide step by step mean no more space issues as long as I've free space on my SD card?
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Thanks a lot for the continued support folks.
Ok, so given that oxegen is the most stable, I'd like to stay with that. Would there therefore be much difference between the 4.3 I'm currently using and 4.4 and then of course, 4.9? I do like polished tweaks, but if there's more stability in 4.9 I'd rather that.
So I guess it's either stick with 4.3, update to 4.4 or update to 4.9
Now, if I update, will either 4.4 or 4.9 provide a better way to manage the internal space issue?
I'm not very technical when it comes to these things, in fact, I had to pay someone to do a teamviewer session with me to guide me through doing the ROM etc in the first place so if I can avoid another ROM install, I'd prefer that.
Will changing the hboot (haven't a clue how to do that ) or following the guide in your sig coincide with 4.3, 4.4 or 4.9 do you think and if so, will completing the guide step by step mean no more space issues as long as I've free space on my SD card?
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i'm also on V4.3, not upgraded because of reasons ZeGuitarist has stated, i would suggest trying to stick with it if you like the rom itself. the space issue is separate to the rom, and is because of two reasons:
- you're still on stock hboot. changing hboot allows repartitioning of internal space to use it more efficiently: currently on stock hboot your system size is 250MB, but the rom's system is only ~140MB, so you waste 110MB. this can be converted to extra data space by changing hboot to cm7r2. it's system is only 145MB, and you waste only say 5MB, and you get bigger 287MB data partition.
- you're using link2sd which you don't need to, the rom can use the ext partition by default.
what i would suggest
- backup all user apps (titanium), contacts (to google) and sms if you need to.
- nandroid backup so you have a safe point to return to
- s-off (use revolutionary, search for guides)
- change hboot to cm7r2, would recommend using fastboot (again search for guides)
- full wipe, reinstall rom
- enable applications on sd-ext by default here, do not use link2sd anymore
- restore apps
it assumes you have partitioned your sd card correctly using gparted or 4ext recovery, follow abaaaabbbb63's guide. you can check your space using apps like 'diskusage'.
this setup can have a lot more space for apps, you shouldn't have to manage your space issues on most roms as long as you know where and how things are stored before asking about "low memory"
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i'm also on V4.3, not upgraded because of reasons ZeGuitarist has stated, i would suggest trying to stick with it if you like the rom itself. the space issue is separate to the rom, and is because of two reasons:
- you're still on stock hboot. changing hboot allows repartitioning of internal space to use it more efficiently: currently on stock hboot your system size is 250MB, but the rom's system is only ~140MB, so you waste 110MB. this can be converted to extra data space by changing hboot to cm7r2. it's system is only 145MB, and you waste only say 5MB, and you get bigger 287MB data partition.
- you're using link2sd which you don't need to, the rom can use the ext partition by default.
what i would suggest
- backup all user apps (titanium), contacts (to google) and sms if you need to.
- nandroid backup so you have a safe point to return to
- s-off (use revolutionary, search for guides)
- change hboot to cm7r2, would recommend using fastboot (again search for guides)
- full wipe, reinstall rom
- enable applications on sd-ext by default here, do not use link2sd anymore
- restore apps
it assumes you have partitioned your sd card correctly using gparted or 4ext recovery, follow abaaaabbbb63's guide. you can check your space using apps like 'diskusage'.
this setup can have a lot more space for apps, you shouldn't have to manage your space issues on most roms as long as you know where and how things are stored before asking about "low memory"
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Hey,
Thanks a lot for that info, it looks like it's going to be a bit too complicated for me to do myself. I need the least amount of downtime on my phone as possible, but I've an android expert I can call on who can do these things over teamviewer so I'll see what he thinks and if he can do it.
So you're saying if I do the above, I can continue using 4.3 (or 4.4 I guess I may as well update to while I'm at it?) and should have a lot more recognised space to do for internal apps and the likes and then that's the most efficient way I can possibly make the most of the Desire?
I don't play games and I don't bother with any apps I don't have true long term use for, so hopefully if it's done right, that will be it!
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Hey,
Thanks a lot for that info, it looks like it's going to be a bit too complicated for me to do myself. I need the least amount of downtime on my phone as possible, but I've an android expert I can call on who can do these things over teamviewer so I'll see what he thinks and if he can do it.
So you're saying if I do the above, I can continue using 4.3 (or 4.4 I guess I may as well update to while I'm at it?) and should have a lot more recognised space to do for internal apps and the likes and then that's the most efficient way I can possibly make the most of the Desire?
I don't play games and I don't bother with any apps I don't have true long term use for, so hopefully if it's done right, that will be it!
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it's not that bad. there are guides for everything, most of us here have achieved everything by ourselves with no prior experience and without being android experts...
personally, i would recommend doing it yourself, that way you learn a bit too. much easier to work out for yourself if things go wrong. i would say that if you learnt how to do it in the first place, you'd understand the space issues a lot more.
but yes, this method just results in the same rom (or slightly upgraded one, think 4.4 had the same sd-ext settings, not sure), but with more efficient space layout for apps.
you could install 'diskusage' right now before you do anything, that will help the understanding of where your low space comes from. you'll see loads of free wasted space on /system
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it's not that bad. there are guides for everything, most of us here have achieved everything by ourselves with no prior experience and without being android experts...
personally, i would recommend doing it yourself, that way you learn a bit too. much easier to work out for yourself if things go wrong. i would say that if you learnt how to do it in the first place, you'd understand the space issues a lot more.
but yes, this method just results in the same rom (or slightly upgraded one, think 4.4 had the same sd-ext settings, not sure), but with more efficient space layout for apps.
you could install 'diskusage' right now before you do anything, that will help the understanding of where your low space comes from. you'll see loads of free wasted space on /system
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Thanks again for the feedback. Given the problems I've seen this guy face before when things don't go smoothly, I think I'd rather have him at hand. I'm pretty much watching what he does and doing the phone end of things so learn as I go along anyway. I popped him a link to your post #7 above when I saw it so I'll see what he says. I'm probably going to do 3 phones at once too as my friend and father are having space issues aswell so be well worth having an expert on hand!
Actually, any chance of a link to the correct 4.4 I should be going for?
I'll drop a link later, and add some more links to my personal recommended tweaks (like island3r's modded kernel so you can use smartassV2 governor, etc.). I'll update this post.
ZEDIT: Here's the links:
- MildWild-V 4.4: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1zu8dquw2echwhd/MildWild_V-4.4.zip
- Latest Thalamus kernel modded by island3r: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31096646&highlight=smartassv2#post31096646
- AGPS patch: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ggtgzme8bqscbq3/agps.patch.google.build.alt.v3.1.zip
- Stock bootanimation (don't flash this, manually put it in /data/local on your device's internal memory): https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3tek2gq9678lzk/bootanimation.zip
You're welcome.
Hit thanks pretty please?
Thanks a lot for that. I don't want to complicate things too much as I think I'll be doing this to 4 phones at the one time, my own, my friends, my fathers and a back up desire I have for business. What would the tweaks do exactly?
I heard back from my android expert anyway and he said the following:
To the best of my memory (And my chat records!), your phone is on the stock HBOOT with the standard partitioning. If you'd like to go all the way and repartition the phone and set up a stable ROM w/ Apps2SD and all the bells and whistles, it can definitely be done but everything will be brought back to a clean slate on all three phones (Including the contents of the SD Card) so they'll all need to be backed up.
Ideally, what we could do is...
Change the HBOOT to Cm7 R2 or Oxygen R2 (Which is a bit more lean and splits it 100MB system and 332MB data)
Flash the latest stable Cm7 or Oxygen based ROM depending on what you prefer
With clean and empty SD cards, we'll partition it for 1-2GB apps2SD and set up the ROM to use that space
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So I guess I should stick to Oxygen for both the Hboot and the Rom? So Mildwild 4.4 and what about the Hboot? EDIT: Just saw that eddiehk6 suggested Cm7 R2, Which would be best in my situation I wonder?
Consdering I'm having space issues in the current set up, so applications > manage > all shows 129mb used, 20mb free, how much can I expect that to change by? It wouldn't be worth all the hassle on 4 phones if it's only going to make it an extra 50mb or so, will it completely change the way the space is handled and I should have no more space issues with moderate use until the phone packs in itself?
Post updated.
I'd recommend cm7r2 HBOOT. You can expect plenty of space for user apps, if you follow these steps:
- Flash the ROM (and, optionally, the mods I posted).
- Go into system settings > applications > development > check "sd-ext" and reboot. The ROM will mount and recognise your sd-ext partition from now on.
- Go back into system settings > applications > preferred install location. Select sd-ext and reboot.
- After reboot, you can reinstall all your apps. With the above settings, apps will be installed on sd-ext by default. You can change this for any separate app at any point should you wish, though (for example, I like to keep widget I'm using on internal memory). This is one of the advantages of roalex's Oxygen mod over standard Oxygen, btw.
If you need any more help, give me a shout. Cheers!
Thanks a lot for that and for all the links above too!! Very much appreciated, I'm not too tech as I said but I'll point the other guy to your posts and we'll hopefully get all the phones sorted to make the most of them and they'll be stable as possible until they compose
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Post updated.
I'd recommend cm7r2 HBOOT. You can expect plenty of space for user apps, if you follow these steps:
- Flash the ROM (and, optionally, the mods I posted).
- Go into system settings > applications > development > check "sd-ext" and reboot. The ROM will mount and recognise your sd-ext partition from now on.
- Go back into system settings > applications > preferred install location. Select sd-ext and reboot.
- After reboot, you can reinstall all your apps. With the above settings, apps will be installed on sd-ext by default. You can change this for any separate app at any point should you wish, though (for example, I like to keep widget I'm using on internal memory). This is one of the advantages of roalex's Oxygen mod over standard Oxygen, btw.
If you need any more help, give me a shout. Cheers!
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Hi ZeGuitarist, is there anyway to port JB transition animations to MW4.4 Oxy? framework-res.apk ll do ?
Thanks
karthikus said:
Hi ZeGuitarist, is there anyway to port JB transition animations to MW4.4 Oxy? framework-res.apk ll do ?
Thanks
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You can't simply use a JB framework-res.apk on a GB rom. Best you can do is manually replace the icons and stuff
karthikus reminded me of one thing actually, in the current bluetooth settings on mildwild 4.3, it's not possible to rename bluetooth devices but apparently in ICS and JB it is, is it possible to get this functionality while doing the updates without risking stability I wonder?
It doesn't exactly solve my problem I posted about here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83280543 but it may help..
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You can't simply use a JB framework-res.apk on a GB rom. Best you can do is manually replace the icons and stuff
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How about replacing framework-res apk from latest MW Oxygen (which has JB animations) to the old version. Will it work coz they both have different base ?
I was telling my friend that I'd be able to help his memory issue and he said he found something that would give 2gb of internal memory, as opposed to the 332 or so I'd get from doing the methods above. It's described here: http://www.andreagrandi.it/2011/08/...emory-to-2gb-using-cyanogenmod-7-and-data2sd/
Does anyone know if this is indeed possible?
I'm running Lollipop InsertCoin on my M8 on AT&T. I'd avoided early Marshmallow because the external SD Card access was broken. If external SD Card access, without integrating into the ROM (so I can still use the card in a reader) is working now, is there a thread comparing the current InsertCoin, Cynanogen, LeeDroid, ICE, etc ROMs?
Thanks
I know of no such thread.
SD access was broken on CM13, but AFAIK fixed around early March. I say "AFAIK" since it was a problem on CM13 across all devices; and I don't use CM on my M8, but do on my Samsung Tab Pro 8.4. It was fixed on CM in general, so I assume it was also fixed on CM for the M8.
SD access was never broken (per se) on Sense ROMs. But with MM, by intention, you do need to grant access to individual apps (either when prompted upon opening the app, otherwise you need to do it in Settings>Apps). This leads some folks to think SD access is "broken".
Fantastic answer! Do you have a suggestion as to how one should choose between the current top ROMs, if SD access will work regardless?
Wotta said:
Fantastic answer! Do you have a suggestion as to how one should choose between the current top ROMs, if SD access will work regardless?
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Its a highly personal decision. Everyone has different preferences, likes, needs, etc.
If you like Sense, but want more customization options, pick a Sense based custom ROM. If you want something different from Sense, try GPE or AOSP ROMs.
Beyond that, its largely a matter of reading the ROM descriptions, see what features appeal to you the most. Then flash the ROM and try it out. Before flashing a ROM, make a TWRP backup of your current setup; then you can easily revert, if you don't like the ROM you flashed.
I also recommend to read (at a minimum) the most recent couple pages of the ROM(s) you want to flash, to see if there are common bugs, issues or tips.
Ok so I have a HTC ONE M8, it says it has Android 6 and Sense 7 and I am in UK.
I have unlocked the bootloader, installed TWRP 3.2.3-0 (and backed up) and Rooted with SuperSU 2.82
So all I need is a rom...
I have been looking for hours trying to decide which rom to try but I am at a loss.
My needs are simple...
1. The newest version of android I can get (just to annoy my dad)
2. I must be able to blacklist calls and texts (without needing an app)
3. No bloatware, I don't want my phone doing anything unless I want it to.
4. Things like blinkfeed are totally not wanted.
5. I am not even sure what sense is, I am pretty sure I don't use it
That will do it, thank you for looking. Suggestions?
alphalvr said:
Ok so I have a HTC ONE M8, it says it has Android 6 and Sense 7 and I am in UK.
I have unlocked the bootloader, installed TWRP 3.2.3-0 (and backed up) and Rooted with SuperSU 2.82
So all I need is a rom...
I have been looking for hours trying to decide which rom to try but I am at a loss.
My needs are simple...
1. The newest version of android I can get (just to annoy my dad)
2. I must be able to blacklist calls and texts (without needing an app)
3. No bloatware, I don't want my phone doing anything unless I want it to.
4. Things like blinkfeed are totally not wanted.
5. I am not even sure what sense is, I am pretty sure I don't use it
That will do it, thank you for looking. Suggestions?
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First, you need to know there is no "golden rom" that will make everyone happy. You have to try them out yourself and see which one you like the most.
Anyway, to answer your questions:
1. Lineageos 16 currently is the only rom with android pie. However it's very early release, so minor and major bugs are to be expected. I'd recommend you lineageos 15.1 instead - oreo isn't that old and the rom is very stable.
2. It's possible on lineageos 15.1 and roms based on it, should also be possible on 16. Not sure about sense roms.
3. Almost all of the custom roms don't have bloatware. Also you can get root and delete apps you don't need.
4. Blinkfeed is only in stock roms. You can disable or uninstall it.
5. You're using it 100% of the time. Sense is the name of android skin on htc devices. It includes changes in look, feel and some functionality compared to stock android. You should know there are sense based roms - they are based on the stock rom, retaining sense functionality and look and custom, pure android roms - those have only minor changes in them and feel and look like stock android.
Great answers in the previous reply. Just wanted to add:
What qualifies as "bloatware" is completely subjective. The goal of the makers of these built-in apps (whether it be a manufacturer, carrier, or even Google themselves) is to provide useful apps. But that doesn't always work out, and certainly not always for everyone. However, what qualifies as "bloat" to one user, is a useful or even necessary app for another. So you say "no bloat" doesn't mean too much; without you being specific about what you want/need and what you don't. Therefore, there are various approaches/answers:
- If you refer to HTC specific apps, these won't be present in any of the more current ROMs. By definition, HTC stopped supporting this device with OS updates at Marshmallow. Anything after that, will be non-HTC and therefore AOSP or "pure Android" based.
- The AOSP based custom ROMs will often allow (even require) you to flash Google apps (gapps) separately from the ROM. This also allows you to choose which gapps package to install, and therefore tailor to your own needs. From minimal installation to get Android to work; to full suite of Google apps (many of which, a lot of users will consider bloat).
- Any pre-installed apps can be disabled or removed with root. Although you should take caution, as removing some bloat apps may break other phone functions. Unless you research and know the specific app is safe to remove, better to disable or "freeze" it with a root app like Titanium Backup. Then test the phone for a while, to see if there are any resulting bugs or issues.
Thanks, I have never really got into the whole Android and Iphone thing. My best ever phone was a Nokia N-gage and I only stopped using it recently due to my eyes not being what they once were.
My last phone was a LG nexus4 and I have only switched it up to the M8 as i saw it in a friends house with a broken screen.
I can already see it is a tad more responsive and to be honest the stock rom is probably fine for what I do (nothing + odd game) but where is the fun in that
Going to download lineage 15.1, sounds like a good start.
one last thing my M8 is 16GB of which 6GB was used, then I backed it up and that sucked up another 4GB so what happens exaclt when i install a rom does the original 6GB become free again? i have installe roms before back in the early days but my memory like my eyes aint what it once was
OK so i just jumped in and followed the 15.1 instructions (i think) Installed the rom, the suggested superuser thing and that went ok, but when installing the gapps (nano) it failed with lack of space. Doing something wrong??
The rom is starting with pink balls so I am almost there......and it is working. I went back and tried to flash gapps nano again and it actually says there is insufficient space on the system partition.
Resized it, then it seems to have worked. thanks guys i love it so far.
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one last thing my M8 is 16GB of which 6GB was used, then I backed it up and that sucked up another 4GB so what happens exaclt when i install a rom does the original 6GB become free again?
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No storage is going to free itself up, from flashing a custom ROM. You will have to free it up yourself. You can delete the LOS ROM zip, once it has been installed. Although, I like to keep copies of custom ROMs on my computer for a while, just in case I need it again in the future.
If you have an SD card installed to the device, you can have your TWRP backup on the SD card, which will free up a lot of space. As you've seen, the TWRP backups take up a ton of storage! Having a backup on the device (either SD or internal storage) is "best practice" in my opinion; so it is handy in case you need to restore that backup.
You'll never get all 16 GB of storage. A significant amount is taken by the system (OS) and other uses. I think something like 12 GB of user-accessible storage is all you will ever see on a 16-GB device. And this starts to be eaten up the moment you start installing apps and using the device.
You guys have been a great help, I ordered a 2nd m8 off ebay and a genuine HTC dot matrix case although I now realise the dot thing is part of sense which I no longer have. whoops
I didn't realise at the time because everything seems to work but when i was installing I kept seeing a red line of text. iirc it was something about unable to access dalvik partition? I only realised it shouldn't have been saying that when I watched a youtube video of installing a rom that wasn't plagued by this line.
I need to do it again to try and figure what was going on.