As the title says.
I am interested in your opinions.
Which one is the best for battery life?
Thanx
There isn't one in particular as it depends on usage and the apps installed
Fresh roms and the cyanogen 6.1
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Hi folks,
Just a thought,
Is there a clear view on where real battery drain occurs, by this I mean (for example):
o Radio;
o Kernel;
o Keep Alive Apps / General Health Apps / Background Apps.
Incompatibility between components, e.g. Radio and ROM fight over timing or API issues or .....
Like dzontra11 I'm interesterested in having a phone (good battery life like my old 6210 or 6310i) and occasional Game Use with Internet Browsing (including Gmail sync). WIFI in the flat (90%) and a little 3G around and about.
So I guess I'm asking which combos work best for general use and still be usable. My phone (won't say which radio/ROM combo ATM) informed me earlier that the battery was low, which it was. The sodding phone turned off 2 secs later @ 17%.
In my past life I looked at a lot of system performance issues (usually the classic CPU, I/O & Memory). So I'm guessing where are the current thoughts on this are by people that know in detail.
Regards
Colin
Best I have had to date is DeFroST (all versions seem to be close in usage) with juice ultimate looking after things, gets me almost 2 days with moderate usage.
I'm down to 25% after only nine hours and I don't understand why.. Lol I'm confused for real I thought rooting would improve it. And I've only actually used the phone for probably 50 minutes. Any help or suggestions
Sent from my Dinc running cm7 with incredikernel
search around for suggestions. to start off control data usage,sync control,use auto brightness,turn toggles off you don't need uninstall or freeze apps especially those that run in background for no reason that fail to cache. use a different kernel. do some undervolting. overclock and underclock when necessary.use tasker to setup screen off/on profiles for different min/max frequency ranges and governor selection,use apps to monitor usage such as drain guard and cpu spy. check apps that hog too much unwanted usage. the list goes on. if you do your research you could save yourself 70% of battery usage. using tasker alone saved me around 30%. for example my phone is fully charged before bed,I sleep about 6-8 hours while listening to music and I have about 80% once I'm awake.nothing on besides the phone's cellular radio,no gps,no data on,no 3g,no wifi,etc. not even airplane mode so sms isn't queued all night. tasker can also auto turn off gps once gps based apps are killed so it's not always on,plenty of threads on battery saving tips,majority aren't all device specific so they're universal tips
wayneb02 said:
I'm down to 25% after only nine hours and I don't understand why.. Lol I'm confused for real I thought rooting would improve it. And I've only actually used the phone for probably 50 minutes. Any help or suggestions
Sent from my Dinc running cm7 with incredikernel
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Rooting by itself won't do anything for battery life.
douger1957 said:
Rooting by itself won't do anything for battery life.
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I thought the kernel helped it. But Never mind on this post, I didn't realize that a friend downloaded a couple of apps that were running constantly in the background.
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wayneb02 said:
I thought the kernel helped it. But Never mind on this post, I didn't realize that a friend downloaded a couple of apps that were running constantly in the background.
Sent from my Dinc running cm7 with incredikernel
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agreed rooting won't do anything for your phone unless you put it to good use (uninstalling bloat apps, loading a custom more battery and performance efficient kernel, same with a better ROM, as well as countless performance/battery mods)
There are so many ways to improve performance and battery life on your phone with root, but you have to actually apply them to your phone.
POQbum said:
agreed rooting won't do anything for your phone unless you put it to good use (uninstalling bloat apps, loading a custom more battery and performance efficient kernel, same with a better ROM, as well as countless performance/battery mods)
There are so many ways to improve performance and battery life on your phone with root, but you have to actually apply them to your phone.
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What do you mean battery mods? I'm new to all of this in case you can't tell lol
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wayneb02 said:
What do you mean battery mods? I'm new to all of this in case you can't tell lol
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well I probably worded that wrong. There's mods you can do that will improve battery performance.
Check here and scroll down to the bottom where it shows performance mods:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
As a personal suggestion.
ROM: CM7 latest nightly
after you flash the ROM, flash the latest Gingerbread [AOSP] kernel:
http://www.incredikernel.com/?page_id=10
2.6.38.8 incredikernel 10/08/2011 (3277)
Then apply:
Adrenaline Shotv12.zip - found on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236779
Convert2Ext4_no_data_limit_dalvik_moved.zip - found on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1315372
Then proceed to uninstall the crap apps you don't want.
Then customize the mutha lovin hell out of your phone with these apps:
Widget Locker
Launcher Pro Plus -or- Go Launcher
And use Android Kitchen to finish the sexification of your phone:
http://uot.dakra.lt/
You'll end up with an amazing phone that you'll cherish forever <3
POQbum said:
well I probably worded that wrong. There's mods you can do that will improve battery performance.
Check here and scroll down to the bottom where it shows performance mods:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
As a personal suggestion.
ROM: CM7 latest nightly
after you flash the ROM, flash the latest Gingerbread [AOSP] kernel:
http://www.incredikernel.com/?page_id=10
2.6.38.8 incredikernel 10/08/2011 (3277)
Then apply:
Adrenaline Shotv12.zip - found on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236779
Convert2Ext4_no_data_limit_dalvik_moved.zip - found on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1315372
Then proceed to uninstall the crap apps you don't want.
Then customize the mutha lovin hell out of your phone with these apps:
Widget Locker
Launcher Pro Plus -or- Go Launcher
And use Android Kitchen to finish the sexification of your phone:
http://uot.dakra.lt/
You'll end up with an amazing phone that you'll cherish forever <3
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All of this.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
Thanks a lot, guess I'm gonna have a fun playing with my phone tonight lol.
Sent from my Dinc running cm7 with incredikernel
before i flash adrenaline am i supposed to wipe anything?
Rooting doesn't improve battery life. usually a custom kernel or rom will improve battery life. It all depends what you are running in the background. With Nil's Gingersense 3.5 (2.2) and tiny's latest kernel I am getting unbelievable battery life. This is in part to how well both of these things work together along with the removal of all the bloatware. I have found that if you run Yahoo IM, it tends to kill your battery faster as well. Make sure to set most of your sync options to manual or every few hours as well. It won't impact your gmail or gtalk settings.
I understood that just rooting wouldn't change a thing. I just miss worded it lol. I was already running cm7 and incredikernel. I just hadn't realized I had 2 apps running in the background killing my battery
just flashed tinys last night and waiting to see how it works. I have two batteries and one lasts much better than the other and they have both been treated the same as far as charging and discharging....
using sense 2.1 virtuos 2.0.0 rom. The same on other roms.
And that is almost 1 day with only some sms and visiting forum on toilet :lol:
Should I do some kind of calibration or recharging or something ? (something rather safe)
there are o so many things that can drain a battery , roms, radios, apps, etc
you will need to get slightly more specific such as your radio, how many hours does it last between charges, how long is the screen on for? and as much detail as you can.
also if you google search for ways to improve battery life on android phones you will get a whole lot of info, most will be goo and do it. personally id say stay away from any task killers or adding apps like juice defender (all though this is debatable) but try some things out and or give some more info. worse case scenario a new battery is cheap
Not sure how many hours. But not even a whle day. And that is not more than 2 hours of usage, like typing sms or listening to mp3 + a lil camera action.
it was always about 2 days but it got worse recently.
Default virtuouous 2.00 with sense 2.1 No additional widgets etc or applications in background
HiCZoK said:
Not sure how many hours. But not even a whle day. And that is not more than 2 hours of usage, like typing sms or listening to mp3 + a lil camera action.
it was always about 2 days but it got worse recently.
Default virtuouous 2.00 with sense 2.1 No additional widgets etc or applications in background
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I dunno. I find that hard to believe because virtuous 2.0 is very battery efficient. I got at LEAST 1 day out of it.
Sent from planet Vegeta.
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Try a fresh install and you can also try a few different kernels. I know eugene has a good sense one streamlined on another site. And virtuous 10 is a good one as well. Try those and see how they work out man. I'm sure you may have something eating your batt. Get betterbatterystats from the apps in android on this site and see what's eating that thing up. Hope these help.
Sent from planet Vegeta.
You can try to install Watchdog Task Manager. It will notify you if some background app is eating up your CPU.
5hours awake time. from 100% to 5%
That is sms, some browsing (forum).
screen 74% battery. 40% brightness
I have upgraded my Galaxy W to Jelly Bean using Custom Room (4.2.2) Cyanogenmod 10.1 alpha 2. maybe later alpha 3.
Everything runs well. but why my phone's battery drains so fast? and please help me HOW TO SOLVE IT AND MAKE IT LAST LONG TIME???
THANKS VERY MUCH....
Backup your apps, factory reset your phone. If battery drain problem persists, install Greenify or deep Sleep battery saver from Google Play to better manage battery resources.
Lim Wee Huat said:
Backup your apps, factory reset your phone. If battery drain problem persists, install Greenify or deep Sleep battery saver from Google Play to better manage battery resources.
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Thank you for your suggestion... I will try....
Electro Tobib Muhajir said:
Thank you for your suggestion... I will try....
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when you just flashed the battery will definitely be shorter. Let it recharge for a few cycles before determining whether its good or bad battery life. Keep in mind however that even at full potential, the battery will not last for more than 2 days even at light usage.
if battery life is more important to you compared to "the newest OS" and whatever extra features it brings with it, then I highly recommend installing acro's CM9 RC2 (yes it is ICS) as the 2.x.x kernel is far better at battery life than 3.x.x (i'm currently testing it and I can already feel the difference! I believe I can reach 2.5 days at modest usage but I will have to update you on that after my first few discharge cycle for battery to reach potential after flashing new rom). I do, however notice a few annoyances with RC2 (not sure if its really the ROM, or the custom kernel i'm using, or Nova Launcher is to be blamed), so if it continues to bug me I may just switch back out to latest ICS =p.
If keeping with the latest JB is important for u, best thing you could do is download a custom kernel for it that supports UV(undervolting), then get IncrediControl and tune down your UV based on some voltage tables you can find in FAQ. This alone won't bring you a HUGE improvement in battery life but its definitely an observable difference. On top of UV, try to UC(underclock) your CPU to 1GHz. Most daily functions, apps and games (depending on how intensive it is) will work perfectly smooth even at 1GHz. IMO, the most important point of UCing is you will notice a very significant difference in the heat of your battery (ie backcover of your phone). Heat is generally bad for the battery (shorter life + faster draining) so UC is definitely a good thing to do =). Of course, on top of all those, get greenify and wakelock detector(WLD) from market to control your not-so-frequently-used apps. Use WLD to track down what is keeping your phone awake (hence drain more battery) and use greenify to hibernate all the not-so-frequently-used apps you have (example of things you DON'T want to greenify: whatsapp and gmail as you don't want to kill these 2 programs when you lock your screen. You want to continue receiving whatsapp messages and gmail when you locked your screen right? XD! Examples of things you SHOULD greenify: games, music player. Maybe some of the games or other apps may keep a background service active, secretly using your battery even though the last time you used it was 2 days ago!)
Finally, if your wonder is about 1-1.5 years old, chances are your battery is already bloated (perhaps you can feel your battery through the backcover of your phone even!) A bloated battery is a dangerous and short-capacity battery. Even with the best rom you may only push through a day from 100-0%. If your battery still looks fine but your phone is nearing its birthday, go ahead and do some online shopping (ebay or local equivalent, like malaysia we have Lelong.com.my) and get a battery for your phone. Its usually much cheaper than buying from telephone shops.
EDIT: Adding on to all of that, choosing a good governor+i/o scheduler combo is important as well. If our phone is similar with the S+, smartassv2+sio(i've used this, its quite smooth and battery is good) OR OnDemand+noop is thought to be very good in terms of battery life and responsiveness. Lulzactive is also very good but its not so easy to tune it so i usually would stay away from it. Do bear in mind that although the former 2 combo is good, it still highly depends on how you use your phone so there will not be a universally best governor+io combo. Both of those suggested by me are supposingly best in responsiveness as well as deepsleep battery conserving (only if the assumption that our roms work the same as the roms tested in S+, which MAY NOT be true).
TL;DR? try smartassv2+sio (u may change this using IncrediControl, get from playstore). Then if you are not satisfied with your current performance/battery life, you may continue experimenting by changing governor and i/o scheduler one at a time. If you are doing the testing, make sure to have some way to record your tests if not you will 100% be deceived by placebo!(with actual numbers you will clearly see whether your feeling is placebo or if there really is an improvement)
I'm having some seeeeerious battery issues with alpha3. With just 15 minutes screen usage in a day, battery settings says my screen used up more than 20% of the battery! This just for consulting the time and the weather.
oribunokiyuusou said:
I'm having some seeeeerious battery issues with alpha3. With just 15 minutes screen usage in a day, battery settings says my screen used up more than 20% of the battery! This just for consulting the time and the weather.
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Sounds like your battery is bloated. Can u show me a screenshot of your battery graph and app usage?
oribunokiyuusou said:
I'm having some seeeeerious battery issues with alpha3. With just 15 minutes screen usage in a day, battery settings says my screen used up more than 20% of the battery! This just for consulting the time and the weather.
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that 20% is not actually the 20% of the battery juice. It is 20% of whatever amount of battery is drained due to the display being ON. Like if your battery is used from 100% to 90%, then only 2% is used by the display.
I am not sure if I could explain what I mean.
EDIT: Hmmm maybe I misunderstood what you said... If that is the case, disregard.
And also my galaxy W will use all of its battery charge when the display is constantly ON for about 3-5 hours.
Actually, I've figured out what it was. It was Google Now. Chewing away at the battery without saying a word anywhere in the battery screen. I am now back to my old 3 days battery.
you need to install cpu spay from google play and you need look deep sleep time.
this reaction is typical if your coming from a stock or at least cm9.
there has been a lot of arguments about battery life of cm10 and above.
in my opinion, there really is a difference, i mean cm10+ drains battery faster.
and the reason being is of course the features there is in cm10++.
if you're after battery life, stay with stock or cm9 (for now).
but if you feel like your in with cm10+ and you don't want to go back like me, then may want to try these tricks:
1) using Titanium Backup, freeze the apps that you don't really use.
- in my phone i froze pico tts, voice search, talk back, etc. (i even froze google search )
2) i use an app called "autostarts", it can disable auto starting of app including those of the system.
- in my phone, i disabled google maps in every activity. ex. after startup, connectivity changed, wifi connected, widget updating
3) disable system settings which also contribute to battery draining.
- disable location service when your not using it
- disable automatic backup/restore
- disable haptic feedback
- disable autosync
- disable the top battery drainers when not in use (wifi, mobile data, gps, bluetooth)
- and many more just explore
4) do not use so many widgets (my home screen has 0 widget)
5) do not use live wallpaper
6) charge only using the original charger, not from other phone/brand, not from a usb port
- the best way to charge is to avoid using the phone until it's fully charged
7) finally, install only apps that you really need. just keep a backup of your not so often used apps and install only when you need them
If you think about it, everything i wrote above contradicts with the original concept of Android.
But that's life, sometimes you have to trade something in order to achieve another.
Our phone was baked as Gingerbread, now we want to make it taste like Jellybean.
We have all the ingredients, but we don't have a jelly bean pan to make the candy molds.
So we improvise, we work around, we do some shortcuts, we make alternatives, certainly it will cost something.
egagah said:
when you just flashed the battery will definitely be shorter. Let it recharge for a few cycles before determining whether its good or bad battery life. Keep in mind however that even at full potential, the battery will not last for more than 2 days even at light usage.
if battery life is more important to you compared to "the newest OS" and whatever extra features it brings with it, then I highly recommend installing acro's CM9 RC2 (yes it is ICS) as the 2.x.x kernel is far better at battery life than 3.x.x (i'm currently testing it and I can already feel the difference! I believe I can reach 2.5 days at modest usage but I will have to update you on that after my first few discharge cycle for battery to reach potential after flashing new rom). I do, however notice a few annoyances with RC2 (not sure if its really the ROM, or the custom kernel i'm using, or Nova Launcher is to be blamed), so if it continues to bug me I may just switch back out to latest ICS =p.
If keeping with the latest JB is important for u, best thing you could do is download a custom kernel for it that supports UV(undervolting), then get IncrediControl and tune down your UV based on some voltage tables you can find in FAQ. This alone won't bring you a HUGE improvement in battery life but its definitely an observable difference. On top of UV, try to UC(underclock) your CPU to 1GHz. Most daily functions, apps and games (depending on how intensive it is) will work perfectly smooth even at 1GHz. IMO, the most important point of UCing is you will notice a very significant difference in the heat of your battery (ie backcover of your phone). Heat is generally bad for the battery (shorter life + faster draining) so UC is definitely a good thing to do =). Of course, on top of all those, get greenify and wakelock detector(WLD) from market to control your not-so-frequently-used apps. Use WLD to track down what is keeping your phone awake (hence drain more battery) and use greenify to hibernate all the not-so-frequently-used apps you have (example of things you DON'T want to greenify: whatsapp and gmail as you don't want to kill these 2 programs when you lock your screen. You want to continue receiving whatsapp messages and gmail when you locked your screen right? XD! Examples of things you SHOULD greenify: games, music player. Maybe some of the games or other apps may keep a background service active, secretly using your battery even though the last time you used it was 2 days ago!)
Finally, if your wonder is about 1-1.5 years old, chances are your battery is already bloated (perhaps you can feel your battery through the backcover of your phone even!) A bloated battery is a dangerous and short-capacity battery. Even with the best rom you may only push through a day from 100-0%. If your battery still looks fine but your phone is nearing its birthday, go ahead and do some online shopping (ebay or local equivalent, like malaysia we have Lelong.com.my) and get a battery for your phone. Its usually much cheaper than buying from telephone shops.
EDIT: Adding on to all of that, choosing a good governor+i/o scheduler combo is important as well. If our phone is similar with the S+, smartassv2+sio(i've used this, its quite smooth and battery is good) OR OnDemand+noop is thought to be very good in terms of battery life and responsiveness. Lulzactive is also very good but its not so easy to tune it so i usually would stay away from it. Do bear in mind that although the former 2 combo is good, it still highly depends on how you use your phone so there will not be a universally best governor+io combo. Both of those suggested by me are supposingly best in responsiveness as well as deepsleep battery conserving (only if the assumption that our roms work the same as the roms tested in S+, which MAY NOT be true).
TL;DR? try smartassv2+sio (u may change this using IncrediControl, get from playstore). Then if you are not satisfied with your current performance/battery life, you may continue experimenting by changing governor and i/o scheduler one at a time. If you are doing the testing, make sure to have some way to record your tests if not you will 100% be deceived by placebo!(with actual numbers you will clearly see whether your feeling is placebo or if there really is an improvement)
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thanks a lot. that's very helpful for me..
klacenas said:
this reaction is typical if your coming from a stock or at least cm9.
there has been a lot of arguments about battery life of cm10 and above.
in my opinion, there really is a difference, i mean cm10+ drains battery faster.
and the reason being is of course the features there is in cm10++.
if you're after battery life, stay with stock or cm9 (for now).
but if you feel like your in with cm10+ and you don't want to go back like me, then may want to try these tricks:
1) using Titanium Backup, freeze the apps that you don't really use.
- in my phone i froze pico tts, voice search, talk back, etc. (i even froze google search )
2) i use an app called "autostarts", it can disable auto starting of app including those of the system.
- in my phone, i disabled google maps in every activity. ex. after startup, connectivity changed, wifi connected, widget updating
3) disable system settings which also contribute to battery draining.
- disable location service when your not using it
- disable automatic backup/restore
- disable haptic feedback
- disable autosync
- disable the top battery drainers when not in use (wifi, mobile data, gps, bluetooth)
- and many more just explore
4) do not use so many widgets (my home screen has 0 widget)
5) do not use live wallpaper
6) charge only using the original charger, not from other phone/brand, not from a usb port
- the best way to charge is to avoid using the phone until it's fully charged
7) finally, install only apps that you really need. just keep a backup of your not so often used apps and install only when you need them
If you think about it, everything i wrote above contradicts with the original concept of Android.
But that's life, sometimes you have to trade something in order to achieve another.
Our phone was baked as Gingerbread, now we want to make it taste like Jellybean.
We have all the ingredients, but we don't have a jelly bean pan to make the candy molds.
So we improvise, we work around, we do some shortcuts, we make alternatives, certainly it will cost something.
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yups...nice suggestion... thanks very much...:good::good::good:
Lim Wee Huat said:
Backup your apps, factory reset your phone. If battery drain problem persists, install Greenify or deep Sleep battery saver from Google Play to better manage battery resources.
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THANKS...
oribunokiyuusou said:
I'm having some seeeeerious battery issues with alpha3. With just 15 minutes screen usage in a day, battery settings says my screen used up more than 20% of the battery! This just for consulting the time and the weather.
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me too.... more than 20%, whereas my battery is in sleep screen and in the lowest brightness
Me too
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smeone here is right about cm9 rc2 i just flashed it and used a while.. battery seems to be 2x longer than 4.4 kitkat
here is there link
http://mygalaxywonder.blogspot.sg/2012/09/cyanogenmod-9-cm9-alpha-build-8-for.html
Magpir said:
smeone here is right about cm9 rc2 i just flashed it and used a while.. battery seems to be 2x longer than 4.4 kitkat
here is there link
http://mygalaxywonder.blogspot.sg/2012/09/cyanogenmod-9-cm9-alpha-build-8-for.html
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No....no....no....
That link will redirect you to a website that has kanged Arco's hard work and NOT given due credit....
Here is the correct, original link....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1576874
........right here on XDA...
This might be my S2, or it might be my W...but it's definitely CM