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Rate your tested roms

I didn't found any threads like this one so i decided to make one.
This thread is realy simply. Tell us what roms you have tested, your experience with them and your rating. (0-10/10 rating system)
My Tested roms so far (only one lol)
Leedroid 2.2e:
This sense rom works like a charm for me , Never had a force close or random restart. Only have had one laggy moment that was about 3 sec long.
My score: 9.8/10
Only got my desire yesterday, so haven't been able to test other roms so far. planning on test ALL desire roms tonight

Leedroid 2.2e 9/10
RCMixHD 11 5/10
RCTouch .02 7/10 if Camera worked 10/10
DeFrost 5.9 4/10
MIUI 10.22 7/10
Cyanogenmod 6 3/10

bobbenedetti said:
Leedroid 2.2e 9/10
RCMixHD 11 5/10
RCTouch .02 7/10 if Camera worked 10/10
DeFrost 5.9 4/10
MIUI 10.22 7/10
Cyanogenmod 6 3/10
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Would love if you could tell what you like/dislike about the different roms

Cyanogenmod 6 - (5/10)
I found myself wanting to install CM as soon as I rooted my desire, but the nightlies just weren't cutting it for me, just a few FC's and GPS errors at the wrong times made this ROM very unstable for me... Last I flashed was somewhere around September 20th I love the features being implimented and I look forward to a real stable release​
Pre-rooted Stock Froyo (2.10.405.2) (9/10)
This rom was the only other rom I have installed and LOVE it, with all the "optional mods" I have fine tuned and tweaked the stock ROM to exactly what I think it should be, (Deodexed Mod, A2SD+, POWERSAVING MODPACK, Super Circle Battery Mod, etc...) along with Launcher Pro and the HTC dialer, the only thing is the speed, but its not too noticable... a very good stable stock rom!​

DeFroST, OD and cm6: 10
All that sense rubbish: 0
Simply because the cyanogenmod mods will blow your brains out.
*******Sense fans - don't flame me, just my option that everyone is entitled to********

42turkeys said:
DeFroST, OD and cm6: 10
All that sense rubbish: 0
Simply because the cyanogenmod mods will blow your brains out.
*******Sense fans - don't flame me, just my option that everyone is entitled to********
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Is Cyanogenmod realy that good? tryed the beta on wildfire and it was really bad :/

Stock Sense ROM: 6/10 - Stable, Sense (htc sync) - great for starters, but no BT HID support, no A2SD+, no customization
Other Sense ROMs: 8/10 - Same as stock sense with a few tweaks which makes it pretty good and usable. However, the important thing, BT HID, remains unchanged. It's also bloated with Sense which advanced users don't really use any longer, so I don't see a sense in Sense any longer
CyanogenMod: 5/10 - Customizable, BT HID support, but bloated with pre-installed apps and poor Desire support. It also lacks, as all AOSP Roms do a good Desire - Outlook synchronization.
OpenDesire: 7/10 - Better than native CM, BT HID, better Desire support, won't be updated in the future
DeFroST: 9/10 - Much better than CM, not bloated, reduced to the basic apps, totally customizable, HAVS Kernel, lots of themes and stable, BT HID. Why not 10 points? General AOSP issue with sync, and the update rate is really high and a lot of updates aren't stable. So you have to be careful in flashing the latest ROMs and maybe skip one, two, or three updates until you get a stable again. It's a ROM for tech lovers, to play around with the Desire and maximizing its use.

I was running the latest stable version of Defost when I first rooted my desire. I could only score it maybe a 5/10 as it wouldn't send MMS msgs and wouldn't connect to my cars Bluetooth system?
Went over to Cyanogen and all my issues were resolved. Cyanogen 8/10, it would get 10/10 but I sometimes get the occasional phone rebooting on it's own?
Also how many of you guys have used the Alpharev to S-off your devices? Should I go for it?
HTC Desire. Cyanogen 6.0.2. S-ON

OpenDesire not updated anymore?
UpSpin said:
OpenDesire: 7/10 - Better than native CM, BT HID, better Desire support, won't be updated in the future
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Thanks for the input. Just curious: how do you know that OpenDesire won't be updated anymore?

@x5starguerillaa
As always, there's no perfect rom for each user. Some love that others this. I don't use MMS, an overpriced piece of junk in my opinion. SMS useless already, however, not everyone has a Smartphone, else I just use E-Mail. So I never noticed that something isn't working. That's why I don't complain
I have S-OFF, but never used the received freedom. Hadn't a use for it yet.
So no, it's not necessary, do it only if you really need it.
@Wekkel
Read in following order:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8439017&postcount=7387
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8503351&postcount=7744
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8502826&postcount=7731
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8439336&postcount=7397

OpenDesire update query
Thanks. To me, it seems OD will be made a bare ROM and that updates will still be pushed via the included update_program.
Just trying to figure out whether Android 2.3 will be slipstreamed into OD at a certain moment

@ UpSpin.
Thanks for the info on S-Off. I suppose if I get more advanced then I may go ahead but I shall leave it for now.
And on Defrost Vs Cyanogen; I probably would have stuck with defrost had it not been for the Bluetooth issue. The customization options on defrost were better and installing different kernel's and stuff was a breeze thanks to its UI. I would go back to it if there was a workaround to fix my Bluetooth connectivity? Do you know of one?
HTC Desire. Cyanogen 6.0.2. S-ON

Can't decided on what non sense Rom to use. Maybe Miui if it had Swedish dictonary.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Sense HD 10/10
MIUI 9/10
But I love Sense UI, hence why I got a Desire instead of a Nexus.
Sent from my HTC Desire

LeeDrOiD 2.2x
For sure the best Sense Rom - pretty stable and very well maintained. Great Community plus Website and people who care about it. I dislike Sense (see below), so i give it
8/10
MIUI 10.x
Interessting aspects of different GUI Design, nice approach, and a "must have seen" rom. Unfortunatly not my taste, since i like functionality as much as design
7/10
DeFrost
Obviously much love and work in it, but i hate to say i was disappointed. Where is the good stuff of cyanogenmod? Poor shell, no dropbear(sshd), not even htop? Hey, i am a linux freak, if you take away all the great linux stuff from cyanogenmod, what is left?
5/10
CyanogenMod 6.1 / nightlys
One word: Awsome!
Android 2.2.1, which none of the sense roms features
Aditional functionality like the notification-powerbar
insanely fast. if you are used to sense, you first go "wow, why is everything so smooth and fast?", if you play 3d games, you go "wow, why do i have no lags anymore and a stable framerate?", if you watch video from your cifs-server with arcmedia, you go "wow, why do videos start so fast, and why is skipping in the video not lagging like hell?"
i know all you guys love sense soooo much, but face it, sense is pure crap from system design view, looks nice, yes, but nothing you cannot replace with an even better app from the market. you get the weather clock widget, far better email apps and everything you miss on sense.
so the downside is (based on personal taste) missing some sense stuff, but the upside is always latest android, extreme speed, stability and the biggest community of all roms. not only one dev repackaging some htc stuff, but a whole crew compiling their own stuff. go for it!
10/10

Best Sense ROM:
LeeDroid 2.2x - used it since 2.2a, and haven't had an issue since. First few days will be a bit slow while it rebuilds its cache, but after that is smooth sailing. Left it because... I found out I don't need HTC Sense. Other Sense ROM that I've tried = MoDaCo, which wasn't as smooth or feature packed as LeeDroid.
Best AOSP ROM:
DeFrost is my personal favourite AOSP ROM. I have tried OpenDesire 4.0.36 and Cyanogen 6.0.1, but I kinda prefer DeFrost setup and it's overall look and feel. Definitely fast and smooth, IMO. And I love LauncherPro too
Final words; there are things in HTC Sense that you might not notice until it's gone, like the blue notification LED, text reflow, Friendstream (yes, I think it's better than the Facebook app), and having a the stock HTC settings (I answer a lot of questions in another forum, you see...) so sometimes I miss LeeDroid too

LeeDroid:
Best sense rom out there, but personally I prefer nonsense 10/10 for stability and great design though, if sense is your thing
MIUI:
I want to like it, I want to use it, but the lack of an app drawer in the main launcher is a real killer, and needs ext4 supporting, stable app2sd. 7/10 for now, will be 11/10 when those 2 things are fixed
Cyanogenmod: great rom, havent used since 6.0 though as I prefer defrost. still a 9/10 for great features/stability and support
Defrost: The best, most stable one out there in my opinion! has all the great features of cyanogenmod, a great OTA update system, and does everything I want it to. I always go back to it after trying others out

Miui -- Best battery life I have ever experienced.
Cyanogen -- Most stable.

celestialspring said:
Miui hands down. Best battery life I have ever experienced.
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Cyanogen 6.1, five and a half hours of sleep, 2% battery drain. Does miui use less?
Sent from my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz

mad-murdock said:
Cyanogen 6.1, five and a half hours of sleep, 2% battery drain. Does miui use less?
Sent from my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
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I lost like 1% overnight 10hrs plus (wifi / gps / bt switched off)
but have now moved to cyanogen as Miui did not let me choose which account I wanted to add a new contact to. May be there is a way.

Which ROM is running on your Desire... Please Vote

...Since the last Poll started a long time ago, I thought it would be nice to see whats the most favorite Rom on the market at the moment.
So please vote for your Rom and maybe describe your choice...

CyanogenMod Nightly here as my sig says.

oxygen rom
i prefer AOSP roms

Still the wrong forum, has nothing to do with Development....

Oxygen ROM. It's best for me.

karloe said:
Still the wrong forum, has nothing to do with Development....
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i would say it has to do with development in the aspect that we can see what roms are most used and that might help the developers deside what ppl want in there roms and maybe add some features that other roms have to there´s to get it more popular.
would also help new ppl decide what rom to take since they will prolly start with the one most ppl use couse that must be allround good and pretty general appealing also it gives a better oversight of what roms that there are.

I use Defrost now cause I like the AOSP Rom, but when I do use Sense, it's LeeDroid All the way..
Both are super stable, have almost all features people require, and if they dont, the dev's are usually able to include it within a couple releases. Also, both dev's spend alot of time interacting with the communities on the forums, which is a great sign of ANY rom!

My own Rom Based on the HTC Stock Froyo 2.10.405.2...

Many of us been using leedroid... I wish there's a leedroid version of non sense super fast stable rom... hope oxygen makes it perfect ^^ i love everything about non sense, but sense dialer is just owning...

I'm running LeeDroid 2.2f because for me, it's a good ratio of classic HTC Sense feeling to root and modding options. Or, to put it like this: It allows me to use all the good things about Sense without restricting me too much. Perfect for a user who, like me, is pretty new to Android.

My prerequisites are sense, UI close to stock, normal battery consumption, a2sd+ and UVOC.I have tried the following over the past couple of weeks:
Leedroid 2.2f- too much bloatware, monstrous battery consumption but the most reliable
dj droid 1.8 - closest to stock, has battery z mod, stable, doesn't have OC, a2sd doesn't function properly.
AuraXTSense 8.0- I'm sticking with this one, it is not bloated, a2sd+ works, fast. Clock with weather widget acts strange but working most of the time. I wouldn't call it unreliable but I managed to freeze it two times [email protected]
Cyanogen 6.0.2. - no sense.
Rom by ieftm - I was planning of sticking with this but it needs to get fixed. One time it installs properly, the other I'm in a boot loop. Changing between recoveries doesn't help here.
Hope this helps.
Sent from my Desire

I`m running CM 6.0.2 because i like Stock Android and it suits me fine...

I use Leedroid 2.2 f as Outlook sync is needed. It's very stable, fast and frugal with SetCPU and Juice Defender configured.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I tried the rest but stuck to the best Leedroid wins hands down

Oxxxxxyyyyygggggeeeennnn FTW!
Really, it's a good AOSP ROM.

gotta be defrost, fast reliable, and always updates!

after having tried almost all roms here around now I'm still (more than a month) with Ox
latest beta (0.2.2) is very fast & stable

Running MyTouch 4G.. or Robociks other great roms. Works smooth and well.
Sent from my HTC MyTouch 4G using Tapatalk

I'm using LeeDroid, in part because it's close to what i was moving from and because i also sync with Outlook. I've not yet been brave enough to remove Sense completely, as i'm guessing the HTC sync will go with it.

originally i used sense roms and tried various others (had to go back to sense as aosp roms stuttered and were laggy in comparison for me with 7 full screens). now i go between open desire, oxygen and miui (but with zeam launcher).
really at this point, it's a toss up between the latter 2 - at least until gingerbread comes out

Just got a Desire

hello guys,
i own a htc magic and i just got a desire for my brother ;( (yea i know, ill get my one soon though) and i want to root it and put a custom rom on it.
i just have a few general questions.
what stable rom would you recommend? which one is the most popular? and what recovery should i go for?
and another one should i go ahead and get a class 6 micro sd card or am i good with a class 2 one?
thank you.
ps apologies if it is in the wrong section.

class 2 will do, leedroid is a good stable sense rom, use unrevoked method for rooting, if ur ph is branded make a gold card. see the sticky in this forum called "complete guide to rooting"

Hi there!
It's been ages since i got my Desire, and I am still satisfied - Your Bro made a good choice .
For the recovery, I use Clockwork-MOD. Now, people have reported USB bricking when using the latest version (and I can attest to that, as it bricked me, and it is a pain in the arse to fix). However, the convenience of nandroid working from rom manager, and verification disabled by default make it worth the risk IMO. You would probably want to go for AmonRA-2.0.0 GSM which is feature packed and has not had reports about usb bricking. UnrEVOked will root and flash your recovery, but if that doesnt work, you can always use FASTBOOT. I recommend that you disable Security, and use AlphaREV to S-OFF the desire, as it will allow you to ues FASTBOOT and give you R/RW permissions in android.
In terms of the MicroSD card, I am using a Class 2, and have no troubles. the CLASS is only its minimum sustained write, some Class 2 cards exceed Class 6 cards, just luck of the draw.
Regarding a stable rom, you will get a billion and one different oppinions.
If you like Sense UI, I suggest AuraxTSense or LeeDroid (for the old version of Sense), or ReflexTSense or RCMixHD (for the new version of Sense - Sense HD).
Sense vs Sense HD: Both have different benefits. For example, HD roms have a more intuitive interface (in my opinion). However, in terms of performance, I find that the Old Sense roms are much smoother and reliable. Again, just my opinion. However, Sense Roms (both old and new) have less battery life than competing roms.
You then have CyanogenMOD type roms. These roms are built from the source, and are updated all the time. They have a very complete feature set, and have lots of users to help with. Oh, and Bluetooth HID works out of the box (it will not work on Sense Roms). Battery life is good too. However, the interface is not consistent, and some of the stock applications (such as the dialer, or the music app) have (in my opinion) a downright ugly look about them. But again, everything works very well, and they are very speedy roms.
Finally, you have (my recommendation) MIUI. MIUI is based on the Source (like CyanogenMOD, kinda), and adds a very very well implemented interface. The dialler, for example, is better than the Sense one, I recon. Prettier, lots of functionality (recording calls is two button presses away). Everything that works in CyanogenMOD roms works in MIUI (except the newest camera features and Bluetooth HID (but are workarounds for both)). MIUI comes stock with a brilliant music application, custom lockscreen (with music controls and spectrum vis), File manager, Contacts, Messaging and FM radio (the FM Radio that is found in CyanogenMOD based roms came from here).
So that is what i recon; MIUI is a great rom to start with. It has good battery life, it is one of the fastest type of rom on the block (faster than other roms build from the source, in some cases) and doesnt require you to install many applications to add functionality that you would expect it comes with.
Also , it is updated every friday (and translated version are usually released the same or the next day).
I use the Au-MIUI version (www.miui-au.com) created by S-Murpyh, who keeps a very well rounded release, and great support.
Just my opinions, though.
Josh.

thank you very much for the quick responses. for me sense is old, cyanogen im using on my magic which is great no doubt, but MIUI sounds tempting will check it out further.
thanks very much for the info and the description. ill be on my way now guess ill give MIUI rom a whirl.
sorry again about thread placement.

Oxygen if you can do without Sense apps. If Sense apps are a necessity, then you should go for Pays. IMHO...

Rom.
Hey man,
i guess the custom rom you want depends whether you like the classic android
froyo and it's speed, or the slightly more lagging, yet much more good looking,
htc sense. If you're opting for the latter, then i would suggest RCMix's HD rom for
speed and stability, but like i said, if you prefare the classic froyo UI then i would
personally recommend DeFroST-6.1, im currently using it and i've found it an
absolute dream.
Have fun whatever you opt for,
sam.

be forewarned... MIUI kind of taste like iPhone fever.
...but maybe thats just me.

[Q] A Crapload Of Questions

So yeah, I have a crapload of questions.
I recently asked about rooting and keeping HTC Sense. In retrospect, I don't think I'll need Sense, I just tried out AppLauncher, and I have to say, I think I'm sold on it. I'm just wondering what exactly HTC Sense has? Is there anything it has that I'll really miss? So far the only thing I can think of is the HTC Sense website for a lost phone, backing up data, and the weather widget/FriendStream...though adding Facebook to HTC sense shows all my contacts in the Phone button which is a huge piss off, but meh.
So that being said, I think I'm about ready to give rooting a shot, but now I've been confused with even more things. And the more I read the more I get confused. Especially where I have to downgrade the firmware, I'm wondering if it's still okay to do this, since the guy at Bell told me if I didn't do / get certain updates I'd have to send my phone back to HTC for repair.
There's stock Android, Cyanogen, and it seems like a million other ROMs. Which is the best to use? If I want total customizability, but also good functionality?
Finally, I'm using a Bell-branded Desire Z on the the Bell network. So Whatever I do will need to work okay with it.
As I've said, I'm totally new to this, and I'm scared to hell of bricking my phone since I just signed a contract and don't to shell out $500 bucks for a new one.
There's just so much info on this forum and it's a bit overwhelming/confusing, not that a lot of info is a bad thing, I'm just lost lol.
EDIT: If anything I wrote seems too rambling or doesn't make much sense please specify that and I'll clarify it.

cant help you root your phone but just follow the instructions that the person who writes the threads say. It's not that easy to brick your phone unless you just completely dont follow directions.
1. Downgrade is perfectly fine, it's to allow you to use a certain method to root your phone.
2. Try out different roms to see what you like, it's like asking whats your favorite video game, how can you really choose, some will agree some wont. I personally like the Miui roms which is the iphonelike and android UI mashup. the apps built in are nice on the eyes, the physics of the phones movement is very smooth, it can oc to 1.5ghz, and you can just download a launcher to replace the original if you dont like it.
3. ask the dev's on the thread if your not sure. i have no idea about bell, but it would seem that it shouldnt have any affect on rooting your phone, just maybe the radio but that is different then rooting or flashing roms.
P.S. you might miss the small things from Sense like, it looks nice, turns on fast, widgets, the dialer to search contact, incoming calls doesnt disrupt navigation, and it's original live wallpaper lol.

So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
I guess more of what I'm asking is just based on people's experiences what the best route to go is. I know there are different tastes, I'm more concerned about reliability, so I'm sure people could help with a ROM choice with that criteria.
So downgrading firmware won't affect phone performance? And can it still be reverted to stock in case the phone needs warranty repair? Just trying to cover all my bases.
And thanks, I'll ask around in the deg thread.

Bloodlvst said:
So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
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There are usually apps available that provide Sense functionality to non-Sense ROMs. In regards to the above, you can try DialerOne.

To help you with the ROMs think of them in terms of how different Linux OS's are setup (if you know a bit about this).
You have the base OS's such as Cyanogen. Now some one doesn't like the look of that so they change the Frameworkres.apk to give it defferent colors, transparencies, icons and so on. Now they want a few extra apps to be included in the install so they add them to the /system/app directory or add a /data directory. Repackage it and now they have a custom OS called WINNING ROM (or whatever). These are easy to do and can be completed in a matter of minutes since there aren't any big alterations in the base coding of the OS. This is why you see a lot of ROMs that look like Cyanogens and the developer usually (and should be) states what version of some one elses ROM it's based off of.
Then you have ROMs that tweak certain parameters for speed or add other functionalities to a ROM such as a custom kernel, audio/video codecs, a2ext, compcache/linux swap, and others. Plus a complete custom UI (launcher), port parts of other ROMs such as Sense to work on their ROM, and toms of other things. These take days, weeks, or even months and usually have release cycles and updates. Cyanogen, Virtuous, Enomther, Villain, and a few others make up these ROMs.
Hope that helps with your ROM quest. It can be a bit overwhelming but remember to ask, ask, ask, and then ask some more and also read, at least the OP (original post) and a few pages past that. Some people may get upset and flame you for it but most will be glad to help in any way.

If you flash a non-Sense ROM, you will miss the HTC camera app. Its far and away better than the stock Android one, and I haven't found any Market camera apps that measure up, either. Also, the camera button on the Sense builds seems much more responsive than on CM7.
Also, I'm not sure about this, but the Sense ROMs seem to have better or more hardware codecs for playing a wider array of video formats. Lots of the videos I've tried on CM7 and CM6 are only playable using software decoding (on a variety of players, but RockPlayer is my favorite) and end up super laggy (very low frame rate) and audio way out of sync. On stock Sense and Virtuous, those videos play fine, hardware decoding, silky smooth, and audio in sync.
There are some aesthetic stuff, like HTC does some pretty significant theme changes for Sense, and you will lose customizations like the HTC Skins. And you will lose the HTC widgets (like the clocks) and apps (stocks, weather). But as mentioned, there are lots of Market apps that pretty well simulate many of the Sense apps and widgets, or are very suitable replacements.

Thanks for the detailed replies guys.
KCRic, thanks for list of known ROMs that's basically what I wanted to know, and your Linux flavour comparison helped too
Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
Thanks!

Bloodlvst said:
Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
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Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
BTW, be sure to click the "Thanks" button if you found responses to be helpful!

ROM LIST
Sense ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Shokouhi 2.0
Desire S G2 Port Sense2.1
Probably others.
Froyo - Android 2.2
Virtuous
Stock ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
CyanogenMod 7
Stock Gingerbread 1.7
iceandfire 1.7
Pyromod 1.2
GingerVillian 1.5
meXdroidMod
Froyo - Android 2.2
CyanogenMod 6
Others of unimportance now.
The Other ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
MIUI (The 2.3 one)
Froyo - Android 2.2
MIUI (The 2.2 one)
LiquidVillian (Or whatever it was called.)
I probably just wasted 10 minutes of my life doing this, but meh, it was something to do.
Now to kill myself since I had to listen to Nickelback through it. Damn 4Music.

I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.

redpoint73 said:
I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.
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AOSP Based.
There should be 2 categories. CM Based and AOSP.
But I don't think there are any AOSP ROMs. Which I hate, cos when people say they've built a stock ROM, but it's based on CyanogenMod.

redpoint73 said:
Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
BTW, be sure to click the "Thanks" button if you found responses to be helpful!
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So I'm guessing no one has cooked up a weird ROM that is like Cyanogen with the Sense camera app lol.
Anywho, I really only have a couple of questions now.
Would you recommend Gingerbread or Froyo? I'm guessing Gingerbread probably runs better / is better than Froyo, but it's hard to say.
Also, how easy is it to restore my phone to factory condition if I need to?
And finally, I read the wiki, it says to make sure I have the windows USB drivers installed...do I just throw those in my windows drivers folder?
EDIT: Wanted to add, the instructiosn for recovering to stock doesn't include the version. So any help there is appreciated.
Or you know, if any of you would be so kind to PM me / add me to IM if you've done this on a Bell phone in Canada that would be awesome too

The drivers go in your Android SDK folder, where ever adb resides. At least on XP and Vista that's the case - I'm not sure if the adb issue was ever resolved in Windows 7. You could always use VM linux or dual boot linux if you like, it's much easier imo. Wubi works too I think.
When it comes to Froyo vs. Gingerbread it's literally like a linux in the sense that one is completely stable and well known by this point (Froyo) an the other is bleeding edge, not stable at times, some things are just not compatible unless you port them, and peoples knowledge base on it isn't as thorough.
I've never returned this phone to stock, which I assume you mean s-on and no superuser permissions. So I have no idea how difficult it is, though I do know you need to make sure you 100% know what you're doing before attempting it - especially if you have s-off. It's a pandoras box if you mess it up.

Ah okay, I'll definitely stick with Froyo for now then. I've always stayed 1 version behidn with Fedora lol.
I did get the drivers working, made my gold card, about to downgrade my firmware.
Are the instructions the same for 1.84.666.2 ?
Edit: Successfully rooted. Now time to find a new ROM. thanks again for all the help. Quesiton though, I have no HSDPA icon anymore...do I need a new "radio" or something?

No, it will do that and some ROMs don't have either the 'H' or the 3G' icon - just depends on the developer. You can still flash a different radio - anyone listed in the G2 radio sticky will work, flash a few and see what works best for you.
There's also a radio version/.ril file issue being debated so you might check that thread too and flash the zip provided just to be safe. I think it's in the G2 questions forum but I can't remember.

[Q] Does flashing a custom Desire Rom always involve hassle?

Can one expect a hassle free experience when flashing a Desire ROM?
Apologies if this question covers old ground, but as somebody who used to happily flash their Trinity every other day without fear or problems, I am struggling to find the same experience with Desire.
I've done all the prep work (rooted, S Off, etc) but can't seem to find one custom ROM that does not have specific individual pre-flashing requirements (e.g. ext2 partition as opposed to ext3 or ext4), or post-flashing fixes for problems that can often only be found by wading through pages of thread (e.g. camera won't work unless you...., sms notification won't work unless you......).
Maybe I am being over cautious as the Desire Stock Rom does seem a pretty good ROM already.
What I'm hoping is that people will leave proactive feedback to help people liek me who are concerned that flashing a custom ROM on the Desire is going to bring sleepless nights and hassle in trying to find fixes.
I thank you in advance for any feedback and advice.
Mattster.

Mattster_spv said:
Can one expect a hassle free experience when flashing a Desire ROM?
Apologies if this question covers old ground, but as somebody who used to happily flash their Trinity every other day without fear or problems, I am struggling to find the same experience with Desire.
I've done all the prep work (rooted, S Off, etc) but can't seem to find one custom ROM that does not have specific individual pre-flashing requirements (e.g. ext2 partition as opposed to ext3 or ext4), or post-flashing fixes for problems that can often only be found by wading through pages of thread (e.g. camera won't work unless you...., sms notification won't work unless you......).
Maybe I am being over cautious as the Desire Stock Rom does seem a pretty good ROM already.
What I'm hoping is that people will leave proactive feedback to help people liek me who are concerned that flashing a custom ROM on the Desire is going to bring sleepless nights and hassle in trying to find fixes.
I thank you in advance for any feedback and advice.
Mattster.
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IT completely depends on which ROM you are flashing.. if you want hassle free ROM then flash stable ones.. They may have little bugs but won't bother you....
A good ROM will boost your desire performance Also...
Happy Flashing
DONT FORGET TO HIT THANKS BUTTON AT BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE POST IF THIS HELPS YOU

my experience is mostly positive 10ish roms todate

An ext partition is pretty much standard on most rom's My advice would be to make a 1gb ext4 partition as this is what I've had from the start and never had to re-partition it.
Pick an established rom that has got good feedback in the thread and you'll have no issues.
Some rom's have a few bugs, but some of the better one's are completely bug free.
And once you start flashing and skipping from rom to rom you won't want to stop

zedmarcus said:
An ext partition is pretty much standard on most rom's My advice would be to make a 1gb ext4 partition as this is what I've had from the start and never had to re-partition it.
Pick an established rom that has got good feedback in the thread and you'll have no issues.
Some rom's have a few bugs, but some of the better one's are completely bug free.
And once you start flashing and skipping from rom to rom you won't want to stop
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Thanks Zedmarcus (and everybody else) for the comments. I've done a 1gb and ext4 partition so I'm glad you said that.
Maybe I should go for the Rom in your signature then... I was expecting people to start listing stable roms but I appreciate a lot of it is down to personal choice.
That said, if you want to mention say 3 roms you've had good experiences with that would be good too!
Mattster.

Like you said, most of it comes down to personal choice. And before this turns into another "which rom is best?" "it's all down to personal choice" threads, I'll give you a quick rundown on some of the rom's that I've tried (and/or read about) and my own "personal" views on them.
Basically, there are two main types of rom's:
The first is Sense rom's, which are the stock or modded versions of the standard HTC rom's. Some people swear by them, saying that they have all the stuff you mostly need already on them, and that they have all of the bells and whistles on them to make them look flashy. Other people argue that they are full and bloated with stuff you will probably never need, and this leads to slowdown, lags and generally a less "free" android experience.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1315961
This is the Sense rom of the moment right now. Originally developed as a personal rom by Sebastiaan15, it's now one of the most posted about rom's. It's a 3.5 Sense rom (the most recent, apart from the newly announced ICS 4.0) that Seb is constantly (ie pretty much every day) updating. From personally trying it I'd say it's a good rom that has a lot of good things going for it, but there are still issues that are being found with it and Seb is constantly fixing and changing things. If you want the latest flashy Sense rom then maybe try it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318370
michaelm_007's 3.5 rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1250815
coolexe's 3.5 rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016940
This is a very stable Sense 2.1+3.0 rom that has lots of users and good reviews. Being a mixed Sense rom it has the stability of a 2.1 rom with some of the bonus bits from 3.0 Unfortunately the developer baadnewz has stopped development on this rom and so what you get is what you get as there are going to be no new versions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
If you are an app addict you might want to try this rom. Droidzone has developed a 1.9 Sense rom that has Data2sd which means that you can dictate the amount of app storage you want. Although not the latest version of Sense, it is stable and fast and Droidzone offers good support.
(Look out for Sense rom's by Alex-V, michaelm_007, coolexe, Droidzone, tamirda, and Leedroid (who is also not developing for the Desire anymore) as these are experienced developers with great rom's available here on XDA).
The second types of rom's are the aosp (Android Open Source Project) rom's. These are non-Sense rom's that run the purest form of the Android operating system without the "bloat" of any HTC Sense over them. Whilst many would argue that they are not so pretty as Sense rom's, a lot of people would say that because they are back to basics (so to speak) rom's, they don't suffer any of the lag caused by the Sense programming. By adding a launcher (such as Go Launcher Ex) from the market they can be just as flashy as a Sense rom. Also aosp rom's are generally better on battery life due to not being as "heavy" as Sense rom's. These are my rom's of choice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957291
miui-xj is a "different" type of aosp rom, that in my opinion borrows a lot form the Apple school of interface. If you are looking for something a little "different" it might be worth a try. I've tried this myself and didn't particularly like the design, but a lot of people like the visual aspect of this rom, along with the themeing side of it. Updated weekly, it is a well supported rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=880465
GingerVillain 3.3 is a great aosp rom that the developer (Richard Trip) is very active in the development of (his girlfriend has a Desire so he'd better be ). Offering a fast, stable rom that has added goodies courtesy of Cyanogenmod, I would wholeheartedly recommend trying this rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229003
Although ihlades has now stopped development of this rom, I would say this is a very fast and stable rom that has no known bugs. This is also one of my favourite rom's and the one I am currently using (don't always believe my sig).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227419
dGB is an extremely "light" aosp rom that has been developed by rootSU (a very active member of this community). Although not to everyone's taste as it is so very light, I found this to be an extremely fast and stable rom (thanks rootSU, I tried it last week and was very impressed, Redux2 dragged me back though ).
Mention must also go to Oxygen (not available here on XDA, but google it), and Cyanogenmod7.
As always (always!) it depends on personal preference.
The views expressed in this post are my own and I don't need to be flamed for putting them here. If I missed any rom's or developers I apologise, this does not mean they are not quality, it just means either I haven't used them or I forgot about them. Any mistakes I'm sure will be pointed out.
I would always recommend reading threads and researching for yourself. Also, experiment, try different rom's and see what works best for you.
I'm sure other users will offer differing opinions, but these are mine.
Hope it helps.

Fantastic help Zedmarcus... thanks very much.
You've given me the confidence to get the most out of my Desire, and hopefully any other new Desire users who read this post.
Looking forward to working through your much appreciated suggestions.
Mattster.

Loving the experience of a ROM with no Sense:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1229003
So much more responsive (especially compared to the custom Sense roms I have now tried) and some of the graphics are wonderful, e.g Keyboard, Caller screen, Messaging. Glad I asked. Hope others are persuaded by this post to take the plunge. Interested in all feedback from new flashers too.
Mattster.