Currently stock 2.2 (3.29x), odexed ROM, rooted.
Questions:
1) Would this allow me to manually deodex my phone:
http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-themes/4620-how-manually-deodex-your-phone.html
2) If I made full backups using Titanium from my odexed, stock ROM, can I restore those apps and data back onto a deodexed ROM?
3) When I flash a new ROM, I gather most of them will wipe all the apps and files from my phone. Is that correct? Under what condition will a new ROM flash NOT wipe the data? RUUs? I'm asking because I know 3.30x is coming.
4) When someone takes the release OTA 3.3x, root it, and deodex it, can I flash it over my stock odexed ROM and not lose any apps/data, as well as have everything work?
Thank you!
Bump--will someone please provide some guidance?
Another question: If I restore apps and data from one phone to another, with both phones operating (using the same gmail account), will it cause a problem?
I was wondering if Android apps install with unique IDs that would cause confusion/conflict between devices.
Thanks.
Trying again in hopes that I get some answers, in particular, #1. If I can manually deodex my phone with the stock ROM, I won't have to rebuild everything.
Later, I presume, I can just update using a deodexed/rooted RUU without losing anything?
snovvman said:
Currently stock 2.2 (3.29x), odexed ROM, rooted.
Questions:
1) Would this allow me to manually deodex my phone:
http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-themes/4620-how-manually-deodex-your-phone.html
2) If I made full backups using Titanium from my odexed, stock ROM, can I restore those apps and data back onto a deodexed ROM?
3) When I flash a new ROM, I gather most of them will wipe all the apps and files from my phone. Is that correct? Under what condition will a new ROM flash NOT wipe the data? RUUs? I'm asking because I know 3.30x is coming.
4) When someone takes the release OTA 3.3x, root it, and deodex it, can I flash it over my stock odexed ROM and not lose any apps/data, as well as have everything work?
Thank you!
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1.) No, that was made for a different phone and if you try you will get bootloops.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=795104
2.) Yes. I've done it going from Stock 3.29 to Myn's rom.
3.) You can flash any rom over any other rom and retain your data.
It does however cause major compatibly problems as most roms are designed differently.
You can just flash over an updated version of the same rom though.
i.e. Going from version 1 to version 2 of the same rom.
Ruu's will wipe everything back to stock. (and un-root I think.)
and 3.30 won't be an OTA it is only being shipped on new phones because they have a different hardware that requires the changes in 3.30.
If everything is stock you should be able to flash it over your 3.29 rom.
4.) I am not sure on this. Just make a Nandroid backup and try it.
If it bootloops or doesn't work, just boot to recovery and restore you Nand.
Nandroid Backup before you attempt ANYTHING.
xNotta said:
1.) No, that was made for a different phone and if you try you will get bootloops.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=795104
2.) Yes. I've done it going from Stock 3.29 to Myn's rom.
3.) You can flash any rom over any other rom and retain your data.
It does however cause major compatibly problems as most roms are designed differently.
You can just flash over an updated version of the same rom though.
i.e. Going from version 1 to version 2 of the same rom.
Ruu's will wipe everything back to stock. (and un-root I think.)
and 3.30 won't be an OTA it is only being shipped on new phones because they have a different hardware that requires the changes in 3.30.
If everything is stock you should be able to flash it over your 3.29 rom.
4.) I am not sure on this. Just make a Nandroid backup and try it.
If it bootloops or doesn't work, just boot to recovery and restore you Nand.
Nandroid Backup before you attempt ANYTHING.
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Thanks so much for your reply. I read your thread on #1, subscribed, in hoping that there may be a solution. I'm confused by your response #3, and how it relates to post #3 on the thread you cited. I thought I read that you wanted to manually deodex because you don't want to re-set thing up? If a ROM flash (not RUU) will simply overlay, why would you need to re-set thing up?
A couple of follow ups--If I make a full backup using Ti-Backup from an odexed/OE ROM, doesn't the odex files get backed up with it? So when I restore onto a deodexed ROM, wouldn't that cause a problem?
I'm in the same boat as you. I want to flash to the new 3.30 dodexed ROM so I can remove some taskbar icons (and get the newer ROM), but I don't want to re-setup everything I have done with my OE Evo ROM.
But, if I understand you, I CAN flash the 3.30/deodexed/rooted ROM over my OE 3.29 odexed ROM and everything will remain?
Thanks again! (and for the Nandroid reminder too)
Edit:
I see why this won't work--it's an RUU, therefore it will wipe?
[Supersonic RUU 3.30.651.2 | Kernel-Build149] - Flashable Zips - Odex and Deodex Ver.
snovvman said:
I thought I read that you wanted to manually deodex because you don't want to re-set thing up? If a ROM flash (not RUU) will simply overlay, why would you need to re-set thing up?
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In theory flashing over a similar rom should not cause a problem since all the files are the same.
So if that's right, you wouldn't loose any of your settings since it would kind of be like an upgrade.
But that's a good point. I didn't even think to just flash a DeOdex'd version of the same rom over my Odex'd rom.
The thing that stopped me from successfully de-odexing my rom was the framework-res.apk, any modification of the .xml's in that file would prevent the phone from booting. So I don't know if that will cause a problem if you flash the De-Odex'd rom on top.
Titanium Backup(TiBu) actually restores everything like home screen layouts, ringtones and settings and the donate version has hypershell that makes it so you dont have to click install on every app.
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If I make a full backup using Ti-Backup from an odexed/OE ROM, doesn't the odex files get backed up with it? So when I restore onto a deodexed ROM, wouldn't that cause a problem?
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I can't be completely sure, but I wouldn't try restoring system apps.
When I switched to a DeOdexed rom I went though every backup and didn't restore any of the system apps that would have still been Odex'd.
But I imagine TiBu would just replace those system files with the original Odex'd ones which kind of defeats the idea of DeOdex-ing, lol.
snovvman said:
But, if I understand you, I CAN flash the 3.30/deodexed/rooted ROM over my OE 3.29 odexed ROM and everything will remain?
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I think if you do that you would end up with DeOdex'd system apps but you would have to go though and delete the .odex files from /system/apps/.
It might not even work flashing a DeOdex'd rom over an Odex'd rom.
If it does work, your data should still be there.
snovvman said:
I see why this won't work--it's an RUU, therefore it will wipe?
[Supersonic RUU 3.30.651.2 | Kernel-Build149] - Flashable Zips - Odex and Deodex Ver.
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That is actually the rom extracted from the RUU.
So a wipe is probably recomended, but I don't think rom's touch the part of the phone where our settings are stored so it shouldn't wipe. (if it works)
http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Supersonic/<-- that's the official RUU files, but they will reset your recovery back to stock and probably remove root.
That's going to be a really long post, haha. xD
Anyways, I would say do a Nandroid Backup or two (just in case) and wipe data, cache, and dalvik and flash the 3.30 rom .zip that was in the link you posted.
Then use TiBu to restore everything with the exception of the apps with red names, as those are system apps.
You need to restart you phone after TiBu finishes restoring.
You can always go back to your original nand backup if it doesn't work out.
I was reluctant to leave stock but once you try a better rom you wonder why you didn't switch earlier.
Hopefully someone with more experience can add to what I missed.
Thank you again for taking the time to reply.
Is it true that only system apps are odexed? What about market applications? I understand the concept of not restoring (via TiBu) system apps, but is it possible that there are other applications use the odex file?
I'm curious whether the state of odex/deodex is a system-wide property, where, if the system (phone) is deodexed, new installed are laid down as deodexed, and that would be the oppsite to be true for odexed phones?
When TiBu backs up an app that is odexed, does it backup both files and later try to restore both, even onto a deodexed system?
I presume it would be okay to restore "data only" on the system apps (going from odex to deodex)?
Lastly, not that I'd want to, I presume running deodexed precludes any possibility of OTA updates? Also, what about system app updates, like the recent Visual Voicemail update? Will it get installed as odexed because it is OE?
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Okay I have flashed Calkulin's Rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712695
The one without the OTA update that killed Root (I haven't updated to that yet )
I rooted using Toast's method - I did part 1 of his root. For part 2, I did this one
For part 2, I did this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705113
I'm trying to flash a new ROM now. Maybe damage protection or even FROYO (Yeah froyo sounds better)
I also want to do the NOVATEK FPS bandaide as well.
I just don't know where to start. I read somewhere someone said you just re-flash a rom again with the recovery...but I don't want to screw up.
Can someone post a very brief what I should do or lead me please?
FYI, the Rom you flashed from the first link provided is stock rooted with the latest update.
Anywho, you heard right, you flash new roms the same way you flashed that Rom. Download the Rom to your sdcard, boot into recovery, wipe data cache and dalvik, flash from sdcard, choose the Rom you put on there and confirm. That's all there is to it!
The important thing to remember is to always wipe before you flash, this will ensure no errors occur.
Hey thanks for backing up data I heard nandroid and titanium which one is better
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Two different things. You should have at least one nandroid that you know works, this is used encased you beef anything up from flashing or something and you want to return your phone to the exact state it was at when you did the backup. That's the purpose of nandroid, to backup a complete image of the state your phone is in, Rom and all (excluding radio and wimax)
Titanium is a utility you use to backup all of the apps you have installed, along with their data and market links. This is usefull when flashing a new Rom so you can easily restore all of your apps without having to download and install them again and again.
Check this, it answers quite a bit of your questions and then some.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710513
I have researched a little bit on the subject, but I am still confused about the purpose of DeOdexing. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DeOdexing decompile apks and allow for modification of apks? Why do some roms use a deodex while other use the default odex?
Also more importantly, if I were to flash a deodex rom, could I revert back to odex if I were to make a nandroid backup (prior to flashing) and restoring from the backup (or does this make a permanent change in the file structure)?
Sorry if I am way off basis on my interpretations of odex vs deodex, but this is all new to me.
Thank You,
RTC
Pretty sure I know this...
Deodexed ROMs allow the developer to more easily customize the phone interface.
For example, if you want to change icons or application configuration files. They are not packaged up in a deoxed rom. This allows them to be edited after the ROM is distributed.
There are alot of rom modifications that can only be flashed overtop of a deoxed rom. This is because they need to edit the system files that are packaged in a odex rom. This is where you have to pay attention.
You should not have to do a nandroid backup to flash between odexed and deodexed roms. When you flash a rom you are basically overwriting the system. A nandroid backup is probably overkill, but it will definitely work. The more nand bakups the better.
amw2320 said:
You should not have to do a nandroid backup to flash between odexed and deodexed roms. When you flash a rom you are basically overwriting the system. A nandroid backup is probably overkill, but it will definitely work. The more nand bakups the better.
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he doesn't want to flash, quite the oposite he wants to NOT flash.
and yes, you can, while you deodex your phone, your original apks and it's odex files can be backed up, in fact it's a sugested step if not required, you can use those files later to restore your odexed apks.
WarDrake said:
he doesn't want to flash, quite the oposite he wants to NOT flash.
and yes, you can, while you deodex your phone, your original apks and it's odex files can be backed up, in fact it's a sugested step if not required, you can use those files later to restore your odexed apks.
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Holy freaking necro, can people not read post dates, this thread is from july, around the time the evo was first released.
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Hi all.
Perhaps this is a newbie query but here you go.
I've been flashing stock rooted OTA's from the beginning, and always chose Odexed over Deodexed I suppose because of file size. Now, I'm looking to diversify and have the ability to theme etc.
Can I flash a deodexed over an odexed rooted 4.53.651.1 OTA with out data loss?
I assume I can just wipe dalvik, and cache then apply yes?
The specific thread I'm referring to is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17642327&postcount=1
As I'd like to incorporate this with out flashing an entirely new rom. I'm cool with stock rooted goodness.
Thanks!
Best bet is to do a nandroid backup and try it out. If you have issues, just restore your backup.
If it doesn't work out for you, you can always just backup everything you need with Titanium Backup and an sms backup app if you want to save your messages. Then do a full wipe and flash the deodexed rom. The only data you will not be able to restore is your homescreen. It may restore, but widgets will not load.
I have found that it always helps my phone to do a full wipe every few weeks, even though I've only flashed updates of the same rom for the past few months. I could get away without wiping data, but I like a fresh start every now and then. Things run more smoothly, and I cut down drastically on my number of useless apps by not batch restoring everything.
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I was running Android Revolution HD 6.1.5, updated to 6.3.1
without wiping any cache, just download 6.3.1 and
flash it into my phone, just asking is it a correct method?
And, how do i flash mod into desire hd?
Like the same as flashing rom?
Help is appreciated.
Thanks.
With ARHD (and most other ROMs), it's a good idea to wipe before flashing a major new version of the ROM.
For ARHD, this means when either of the first two digits in the version number changes. So from 6.1.x to 6.3.x, you should wipe, or from 6.x.x to 7.x.x (when it's released). Use the superwipe script provided in the ARHD first post. But from 6.3.1 to 6.3.2 you won't need to wipe anything.
The reason for this is that a change in either of the first two digits in the ARHD version number means a new version of Android or a new base firmware from HTC. Some of the key system files will be different, and you're much more likely to have problems if you just upgrade without wiping in between.
Wiping does mean you have to set up your apps again, or you can use Titanium Backup to restore them (user apps or data only, don't restore system apps or data). But wiping is worth it to avoid having any problems later on.
Most mods are in flashable zips and you can flash them in Recovery the same way as the ROM. It's always a good idea to take a backup in Recovery first, just in case something doesn't work or you decide you don't like the mod. The mods overwrite system files, so you can't uninstall them - you have to restore a backup.
Hope that helps, and happy flashing.
preacher65 said:
With ARHD (and most other ROMs), it's a good idea to wipe before flashing a major new version of the ROM.
For ARHD, this means when either of the first two digits in the version number changes. So from 6.1.x to 6.3.x, you should wipe, or from 6.x.x to 7.x.x (when it's released). Use the superwipe script provided in the ARHD first post. But from 6.3.1 to 6.3.2 you won't need to wipe anything.
The reason for this is that a change in either of the first two digits in the ARHD version number means a new version of Android or a new base firmware from HTC. Some of the key system files will be different, and you're much more likely to have problems if you just upgrade without wiping in between.
Wiping does mean you have to set up your apps again, or you can use Titanium Backup to restore them (user apps or data only, don't restore system apps or data). But wiping is worth it to avoid having any problems later on.
Most mods are in flashable zips and you can flash them in Recovery the same way as the ROM. It's always a good idea to take a backup in Recovery first, just in case something doesn't work or you decide you don't like the mod. The mods overwrite system files, so you can't uninstall them - you have to restore a backup.
Hope that helps, and happy flashing.
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Thanks alot, Just wondering. do i do a advance or a normal backup for the Recovery backup nanodroid
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Thanks alot, Just wondering. how do i back up my mods from the Revovery
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Power down the phone and then hold volume down while you press power on to get into recovery. When you're in recovery there should be a backup/restore menu that has everything you need.
When you backup it basically takes a snapshot of your phone and saves it with a filename that has the date & time (and for 4EXT recovery, it also has the ROM name). When you restore that backup, your phone goes back to the exact state it was when the backup was made.
So for titanium backup is to restore apps and etc
While the Recovery nanodroid is to restore back to everything + rom
i did super wipe and install 6.3.1 and install some custom mod
CRT and BlueHD, Thanks alot !
VinFinalist said:
So for titanium backup is to restore apps and etc
While the Recovery nanodroid is to restore back to everything + rom
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Exactly right.
Hmm, if i reformat my sd card, will the nanodroid backup
wipe out together?
Yes, but you can copy the folder to your PC and then copy it back afterwards. It's the clockworkmod/backup folder on your card.
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Yes, but you can copy the folder to your PC and then copy it back afterwards. It's the clockworkmod/backup folder on your card.
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Oh i see, Thanks a lot, Seriouesly without your help,
My phone won't get to so far. Right now
The Theme BLUEHD is so awesome, Super smooth,
And my Battery life seems to Increased!
No problem, glad you're enjoying the ROM and theme.
Hello All,
About to be first time rooter and want to ensure I have a complete understanding of how things work before I fully commit. I’ve been trying to piece together information from various threads and I think I have a basic understanding of how things work. Can you please help me verify?
1. When you flash a ROM, the ROM automatically comes with a kernel. The kernel can be stock or custom, but regardless, all ROMS have a kernel automatically bundled when you flash the ROM. Correct?
2. Once you flash a new ROM and the corresponding kernel it comes with, you can swap out the kernel with something else, as long as it says it’s compatible with that ROM version. For instance, if the ROM says it’s built from 4.0.4, as long as the kernel you want to swap says that it’s compatible with anything 4.0.4, then you are good to go. Correct?
3. Radios need to be updated manually. Most ROMs and kernels do not update the Radio in most cases (or do not have radios bundled)…. With one of the exceptions being the Official Google ROMs. If I were to flash a leaked Stock 4.0.4 OTA Verizon ROM, I would actually get a new ROM, Kernel, and Radio. Correct? If I were to flash AKOP (or another popular ROM), I would get the ROM, bundled kernel, but NO radio. Correct?
4. A Nandroid backup backs up the ROM, Kernel, all applications installed, app user configurations/preferences…… basically everything EXCEPT the radio. If I were to restore a Nandroid backup, there is no need to restore apps and reconfigure apps/preferences…. It’s a snap shot in time (or whenever the last backup was made). Correct?
5. Using Titanium to batch backup apps/preferences is really only necessary when you want to flash a new completely different ROM and want to restore your apps from a previous completely different ROM. Correct?
6. Let's say I'm rooted and unlocked boot loader and on a custom ROM..... Verizon pushes out a new OTA update Stock ROM (let's say 4.0.4). What do I need to do? Restore 4.0.2 Stock from Google's developer website? If I were to restore the Google developer Website 4.0.2 version, my assumption is that I lose root (boot loader still remains unlocked). Do I need to re-lock the boot loader for Verizon OTA updates?
7. When I install a new ROM, do I loose root unless the ROM specifically says it comes with Root?
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8. Nandroid backups do not back up the SD card folder. This should be done manually (copy directory to Computer every once in a while). Correct?
9. When I installed space heavy games, I should have installed the game data portion (when it prompted to store at App level or SD Card Level) in the SD Card directory. Now if I Nandroid, It will be unnecessarily larger because it’s taking the game data stored at the app layer correct?
10. When you flash new ROMs or restore Nandroid backups, the sdcard directory remains unaffected. Correct?
11. Only when the boot loader is unlocked/re-locked is when the SD Card directory gets wiped. Correct?
12. Let’s say I need to restore to factory (back to stock – original ROM, Kernel and Radio, no traces of root, locked boot loader, etc.)…. All I do is go to Google’s DEV download ROM site, download the latest official ROM. It will restore the ROM/kernel combination and the original radio associated with the stock ROM, gets rid of all traces of root (since stock does not have root access). I will have to manually re-lock the boot loader (which will in turn wipe the SD Card directory). Correct?
13. Can someone shed some light on "GAPPS". I realize they are a bundle of Google Apps, but once I install, will I still get updates from Google Play when updates occur? Do GAPPS just save time from having to manually download? If I restore from titanium backup (after ROM and GAPP install), I need to ensure that I do not restore any app that falls into the GAPP category correct?
So did I pass? Is my understanding there? Am I missing any essential basics? Thank you all for your input!
1)correct
2)correct
3)correct
4)correct......it also backs up radio too
5)usually a good rule with tb is to only restore apps and app data, and not system setting an prefs so things dont bug out going from rom to rom
6)usually best to wait until dev updates their custom rom to new firmware(devs update rather quickly) better than unrooting then rooting stock rom only later to flash a custom rom that has been updated to latest firmware
7)most if not all custom roms are already pre-rooted
YOU PASSED!!!
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Thanks sean.... especially for elaborating on bullet point #5. I think I've read that somewhere regarding only doing the user apps/apps data, but forgot to ask. I'm pretty excited about doing this.
A Nandroid will definitely not backup your radio.
Did a quick search around the interwebs.... artvandelay seems to be correct. The majority seem to say that radios will not be backed up.