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http://gizmodo.com/5039741/t+mobile...nch-details-oct-13-199-w-2+year-contract-only
Looks like a cool phone; however, does this phone even run on Windows or no?
jdoggraz said:
Looks like a cool phone; however, does this phone even run on Windows or no?
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Android OS - the Google OS
It would be funny if they called it the gPhone.
HTC Dream
I am very very very excited for this phone to come out. It will be running Googles OS called Android that will be Linux based. Most of the Android OS is open source and you can download the SDK pack here: http://code.google.com/android/download.html
The specs on the phone are unclear. I would recomend watching any of the videos of Android OS in action like this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSk9TW7z-4
Also there are some Nokia phones with Android OS running on them over the top of WM6. I guess the biggest problem they have run into is supporting the kernal drivers when trying to port Android onto other handsets.
Dream...
im dieing to know if it will have a qwery keyboard and if it will run on 3G tell you the truth after messing around with a phone that runs on windows mobile i dont think ill ever buy a phone that dont run it... but this phone is an eye catcher so i think ill buy it just to try it out and see how things go from there. cant wait to see the spec's on this phone very excited to see the specs. question is how many of you guys are really gonna buy it? UPDATE: just finished watching the video on youtube wow this truly is an amazing phone... i must say.
Cannot Record Video
This super phone cannot record video, oh no, and just imagine yourself in a emergency situation, where you need to record a little video, that's one dream I don't want to have. Man, that would be more like a nightmare to me and they call this super phone the dream and it cannot record any video at all, yeah right..........!
Technology said:
This super phone cannot record video, oh no, and just imagine yourself in a emergency situation, where you need to record a little video, that's one dream I don't want to have. Man, that would be more like a nightmare to me and they call this super phone the dream and it cannot record any video at all, yeah right..........!
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Well if it has a camera and the ability to view video.. also being Linux based.. there has to be a workaround for this.. i also felt it was a disappointment not being video ready out of the box..
Cannot Record Video
I didn't know it couldn't record video This is the first I have heard of that. Oh well I am still going to purchase it so that I can test it out.
These are the only specs that have been released that I can find.
HTC Dream will apparently be rocking 3.6Mbps HSDPA, 128MB RAM / 256MB ROM, and a capacitive touchscreen (!) - all powered by a Qualcomm MS 7201A processor clocking in at a speedy 528MHz.
When do I ever record video as it is . . . . NEVER! haha
Technology said:
This super phone cannot record video, oh no, and just imagine yourself in a emergency situation, where you need to record a little video, that's one dream I don't want to have. Man, that would be more like a nightmare to me and they call this super phone the dream and it cannot record any video at all, yeah right..........!
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didn't you forget the "crystal clear uber quality HD WOWZZ!!! Blue-Ray!!!one!" of the playback?
....Seriously who really uses a cellphone to record anything, maybe it shows that i just don't care to waste my time with it but all the 3gp videos ive ever seen are complete ****. not to mention 90% of the photos ive seen taken on a cellphone are just trash.
This Phone Does Not Camcord Video!
Let me make myself perfectly clear, I'm not talking about 3 gp video web site, movies, YouTube video clips..ect or snap shots with the camera. Example, suppose you are in a accident, an emergency situation and you need to document the event with video, well with this phone you would not be able to do that, because this so call super phone does not camcord video, That's a dream I don't want to have, that would be a nightmare for me and for a lot of other people too.................!
RussianSolja said:
im dieing to know if it will have a qwery keyboard and if it will run on 3G tell you the truth after messing around with a phone that runs on windows mobile i dont think ill ever buy a phone that dont run it... but this phone is an eye catcher so i think ill buy it just to try it out and see how things go from there. cant wait to see the spec's on this phone very excited to see the specs. question is how many of you guys are really gonna buy it? UPDATE: just finished watching the video on youtube wow this truly is an amazing phone... i must say.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080815/bs_nf/61366
The HTC phone is expected to have a touchscreen that slides out to reveal a full keyboard.
Technology said:
Let me make myself perfectly clear, I'm not talking about 3 gp video web site, movies, YouTube video clips..ect or snap shots with the camera. Example, suppose you are in a accident, an emergency situation and you need to document the event with video, well with this phone you would not be able to do that, because this so call super phone does not camcord video, That's a dream I don't want to have, that would be a nightmare for me and for a lot of other people too.................!
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The phone is not out, the specs are not clear, so how can you say it doesnt support video recording yet?
I have not read any official statement that supports this claim.
I myself can't wait to see this phone, however, my biggest concern is the apps...
I love my Resco Radio, and Pocket Tunes and Core Player, etc....I sure hope these guys will develop for Android..
I Knew You Were Coming, No Camcording On The Android, The Dream, Nightmare!
spikey911 said:
The phone is not out, the specs are not clear, so how can you say it doesnt support video recording yet?
I have not read any official statement that supports this claim.
I myself can't wait to see this phone, however, my biggest concern is the apps...
I love my Resco Radio, and Pocket Tunes and Core Player, etc....I sure hope these guys will develop for Android..
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I knew you were coming, OK(LOL)! Go to http://tmonews.com and go to http://www.tmoworld.com and read it for yourself, both web sites will tell you the same thing that I' telling you, but read it with your own eyes, seeing is believing, no video recording.......!
Technology said:
I knew you were coming, OK(LOL)! Go to http://tmonews.com and go to http://www.tmoworld.com and read it for yourself, both web sites will tell you the same thing that I' telling you, but read it with your own eyes, seeing is believing, no video recording.......!
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Like I said, I would wait for official news, not something from a blog site...
Even if it doesn't have a video recording app out of the box, doesn't mean someone won't make an app.. That's the whole point of Android.
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Like I said, I would wait for official news, not something from a blog site...
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Blog this, their is no Camcorder feature on the upcoming code name, HTC G1, better known as Google's Android or the Dream, and this is official. If you want to know anything about the Android go to the above web sites, blog that...............!
Technology said:
Blog this, their is no Camcorder feature on the upcoming code name, HTC G1, better known as Google's Android or the Dream, and this is official. If you want to know anything about the Android go to the above web sites, blog that...............!
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Actually, Google's Android is the name of the operating system, not the phone.
The phones name is the Dream.
Unfortunately, this is something that also confuses the general public about the phone..
Those unofficial blog sites you refer are missing some other key features such as GPS...
We will find out the real truth when Tmobile or HTC release official specs.. Until then, its all still rumor.
No Camcoder On THe DREAM!
spikey911 said:
Actually, Google's Android is the name of the operating system, not the phone.
The phones name is the Dream.
Unfortunately, this is something that also confuses the general public about the phone..
Those unofficial blog sites you refer are missing some other key features such as GPS...
We will find out the real truth when Tmobile or HTC release official specs.. Until then, its all still rumor.
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You can word it any kind of way you want to, bottom line still, the DREAM will not have a camcorder feature....!
Technology said:
You can word it any kind of way you want to, bottom line still, the DREAM will not have a camcorder feature....!
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Will not *have* or will not *come with* a camcorder feature? That's a bit like saying "You can word it any kind of way you want to, bottom line still, the DASH will not have WM6.1.....!" Fact is, you really don't know yet, because you're trusting blog sites that don't list sources and can't even spell "roll out" or "two" correctly.
All this negativity coming from someone who claims there's no limit to what he can make his current phone do...even surpassing the physical limitations of said phone. But when it comes to having an application written (even if delayed) that's well within a future phone's capabilities, you scoff? Truly amazing.
The thing about Android is that, being Linux-based, there's no overhead for potential developers to join the Microsoft club to develop software for the phone. The SDK has been available for a while now, giving interested people a jump at learning the internals of the new OS and trying their hands at coding applications for it. It can be downloaded and used in just a few minutes' time. Try that with WM or whatever Apple uses on that other phone. The vast majority are volunteers who do it for the challenge and the love of the code, not for pecuniary interest. Their work is freely released so that everyone has access to it and can modify it to suit themselves if need be. They don't hold their programs back and laugh at others who don't have what they do. Also, it will be so much easier to get simple apps that do one thing, and do it well. It should be a boon for end-users.
So whether or not the Dream actually ships with a camcorder application, it won't be long before it does get one. That's the beauty of a system where anyone with the know-how can write beautifully functional applications and get them to the masses for free (really free, not pirated-free.)
I like the way Beartard thinks.
It Still Does Not Change Things, No Video Recording On The Dream!
Guy, well said, still it does not change things with the current Dream, their will be no camcording feature, but I never said their would never be a camcording feature added to the Dream in the future.........!
http://pocketnow.com/rumor/windows-phone-7-series-for-htc-hd2-more-proof
"Can Adobe clarify the roadmap for Android and Windows Mobile? Based on what was announced in February and June I was expecting some alpha release during MAX and had planned for that. The announcement at MAX there was to be some preview release in December together with the Open Screen Project partners was unfortunate, but no big problem.. Unfortunately that preview release did not materialize and 2009 has passed. Mobile Flash is different from the regular Flash in that I can not get my developers to just install it on the hardware they have, I need to get funding for new phones, acquire them etc. Budgets do not come overnight, so the sooner Adobe can provide us with a clear roadmap the better.
What I need to know is:
- what will be the first Android phone for which a Flash Player 10.1 alpha/preview will be released?
- what will be the first Windows Mobile phone for which a Flash Player 10.1 alpha/preview will be released?
- When?
To that, the Adobe rep replies:
We're waiting for OS updates from Google and Microsoft before we can distribute a Flash Player Beta. We expect this to happen early this year. Thank you for your patience!
The first Android devices that will support Flash Player are the Droid and Nexus One. The first WinMo device will be the HTC HD2.
And in another reply, the Adobe rep mentions:
You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.
As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.
So wait a sec - if Adobe isn't adding flash to Windows Phone until version 7, and the HD2 will be the first device to have it, doesn't this mean that the HD2 will run Windows Phone 7 Series? Connecting the dots, this seems to be the case."
So what do you guys think????
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http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13719
Whilst Microsoft may have previously said there were no current devices that were WP7 capable, they may well just have reversed that.
It’s early days yet, and that’s really for our hardware partners to think about.
I cannot think any reason why HD2 cannot use Windows Phone 7 Series.
All minimum requirements are met, except HD2 has 5 buttons while the requirement is only 3 buttons.
That would be OK, there will be 2 buttons unused or even better they can be mapped to certain functionality.
But then it depends on HTC to make it happen .... or XDA gurus here
I also think this will be answered next month during MIX10.
All minimum requirements are met, except HD2 has 5 buttons while the requirement is only 3 buttons.
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lol... it's minimum three buttons of course.
I remain skeptical for several reasons regarding the Win Phone 7 minimum specs;
1. The phone must have back, search and home keys, and the HD2 lacks the search key, as well as the other two having incorrect legend (it might be possible to use the Windows key as the search key though)
2. The phone must have camera and power keys, one of which the HD2 lacks
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
5. There are not supposed to be any other keys, but the HD2 has two phone keys and volume keys
Aside from any possible key mapping, which I suspect Microsoft wouldn't be happy with, the other points lead to a deal-breaking condition.
I can't see how the HD2 would cope with the lack of four-point fingerpress recognition, although I'm not too sure when that would be used other than during two-handed typing using two fingers from each hand?
EDIT: If Microsoft do allow key mapping, then I guess the right-hand phone key could be POWER, and the left-hand one might be the CAMERA button.
Jim Coleman said:
I remain skeptical for several reasons regarding the Win Phone 7 minimum specs;
1. The phone must have back, search and home keys, and the HD2 lacks the search key, as well as the other two having incorrect legend (it might be possible to use the Windows key as the search key though)
2. The phone must have camera and power keys, one of which the HD2 lacks
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
5. There are not supposed to be any other keys, but the HD2 has two phone keys and volume keys
Aside from any possible key mapping, which I suspect Microsoft wouldn't be happy with, the other points lead to a deal-breaking condition.
I can't see how the HD2 would cope with the lack of four-point fingerpress recognition, although I'm not too sure when that would be used other than during two-handed typing using two fingers from each hand?
EDIT: If Microsoft do allow key mapping, then I guess the right-hand phone key could be POWER, and the left-hand one might be the CAMERA button.
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I doubt what's on the keys is going to be a deal-breaker. I mean, MS want people to use this new OS, and HD2 users aren't going to go and buy a new phone for it (in 98% of cases). So I can't see what harm it would do (to either MS or HTC) to bend these stupid marketing rules for existing WM7-capable phones.
Yupe 5 is more than 3, are you happy?
I want to buy HD2 to replace my HTC Kaiser, but I would wait something new from HTC (HD3? *yummy*).
In the meantime, I am playing with Android on HTC Kaiser.
freyberry said:
lol... it's minimum three buttons of course.
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guys you seriously missing the point adobe have stated that hd2 is going to have windows mobile 7 and all you can do discuss the 5 button problem lol. ive seen a demo of hd2 with flash working on 6.5 so maybe theyve delayed it for 7 because windows 7 utilises the hardware better?
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http://pocketnow.com/rumor/windows-phone-7-series-for-htc-hd2-more-proof
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To that, the Adobe rep replies:
We're waiting for OS updates from Google and Microsoft before we can distribute a Flash Player Beta. We expect this to happen early this year. Thank you for your patience!
The first Android devices that will support Flash Player are the Droid and Nexus One. The first WinMo device will be the HTC HD2.
And in another reply, the Adobe rep mentions:
You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.
As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.
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This is why I hate Internet rumours; people never bother to think.
The two posts being referred to in the Adobe forum are more than a month apart. It's obvious that the decision not to issue a version of FlashPlayer for WM6 was taken during that one month gap.
When the guy posted back in early January, they were still intending to release a version for WM6.5; at that point the plan was that the HD2 would be the first WM6.5 phone able to run it.
By early February they had changed their plans; having discovered that WM6.5 lacks certain crucial API's they decided to cancel the release of FlashPlayer for Windows Mobile altogether, and not release anything for a Microsoft platform until WP7 is available.
There is no logical connection between the HD2 and WP7 there; the two things feature in entirely different plans.
What Shasarak said.
THINK if you have read correctly what i have written than you would understand ive seen a demo of HD2 running flash infact heres a video http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup13.html
the video clearly shows hd2 with 6.5 working with flash so the api bulls*** is rubbish. Even if it was the case that there was some API missing Adobe could have included in the software?????
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THINK
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My anger wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the idiots at pocketnow who lack basic comprehension skills.
yustheman said:
if you have read correctly what i have written than you would understand ive seen a demo of HD2 running flash infact heres a video http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup13.html
the video clearly shows hd2 with 6.5 working with flash so the api bulls*** is rubbish. Even if it was the case that there was some API missing Adobe could have included in the software?????
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Well, there are two possibilities, there. One is that the so-called Adobe rep quoted at pocketnow doesn't what know what the f*ck he's talking about, in which case speculating about WP7 appearing on the HD2 on the basis of what he says is clearly entirely pointless; the other is that the rep does know what he is talking about, and that what you saw was an alpha version with support for only a subset of Flash functions, and that there will now never be a finished version because some of the missing features require api's that WM6.5 doesn't have.
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My anger wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the idiots at pocketnow who lack basic comprehension skills.
Well, there are two possibilities, there. One is that the so-called Adobe rep quoted at pocketnow doesn't what know what the f*ck he's talking about, in which case speculating about WP7 appearing on the HD2 on the basis of what he says is clearly entirely pointless; the other is that the rep does know what he is talking about, and that what you saw was an alpha version with support for only a subset of Flash functions, and that there will now never be a finished version because some of the missing features require api's that WM6.5 doesn't have.
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My apologies........
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3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
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#3 is a software adjustment. The hardware itself is capable.
I haven't seen #4 listed as a requirement anywhere. Reference? They didn't sound like they were pushing video-calling at all. I don't even think their reference model had a forward-facing camera.
#4 is not a reqiurement
#5 is wrong as well, of course there may be other keys (like send & end)
The search and camera keys are required for new devices, but not a reason not to provide an upgrade.
What I can say is, an official upgrade is possible and seemed very likely from what I've heard some time ago (I can't reveal more, you have to trust me) but the last I've heard was that it's getting increasingly unlikely (lots of politics there...). I expect an official announcement of their decision when it launches in the US.
Right now, it's a waiting game and we can only hope...
And please, don't ask me, that's all I can say.
Seems like the majority of the blogs/sites don't think before posting (or just do it to generate traffic). At least MTW questioned the "realness" of the stuff: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-1-support-for-windows-mobile-6-5-wait-a-sec/
And how the **** did Pocketnow see any hint/connection with a WP7 update for the HD2 is beyond me.
MasterTP said:
At least MTW questioned the "realness" of the stuff: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-1-support-for-windows-mobile-6-5-wait-a-sec/
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My working hypothesis today is that Adobe has indeed cancelled any plans to release Flashplayer for WM6.x, but that they are lying about their reasons for doing so. Happy to be corrected on any point if there is conflicting evidence, naturally.
We've seen Flash 10.1 running on WM6.5, so their statement about missing APIs is clearly a lie.
freyberry said:
We've seen Flash 10.1 running on WM6.5, so their statement about missing APIs is clearly a lie.
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Well, we don't know that every feature of Flash was supported, and we certainly don't know that every feature was supported at an acceptable level of performance.
Seriously, do you think they would have developed it for months if they could have known from the beginning that it would not work?
It was almost ready. They've shown it on video. At that state, you normally know about the APIs you need. Plus, WP7 will offer even less APIs.
Their answer is nonsense. I'm sure they're lying.
Flash is dead.
HTML5 is the new way.
EOS().
Paul Thurrott from Windows Phone Secrets have revealed, well, some secrets about the upcoming Windows Phone 7 updates.
He writes that we can expect two updates this year – the first expected to be announced this week, but only pushed in February by carriers, will be called NoDo (for no donuts), will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset, a CDMA location stack, and a number of software fixes.
Of note is that the Snapdragon-based Qualcomm 7×30 chipset comes with HDMI output and the ability to play back 720p video on both its host device and a HDTV. It also supports Flash 10.1.
The next Mango, will come some time later in the year, and bring Internet Explorer 9 with with the Trident 5 rendering engine, HTML 5 and Silverlight, and gesture support. This 75xx (actually version 7.2) update will apparently bring additional, unrelated features as well.
Paul also mentions that Microsoft does not intend to push a number of small updates, but only a few large updates per year, which should mean long waits between each one.
Source:
wpcentral.com/thurrott-details-2011-wp7-updates-mango-and-nodo-as-no-donuts
wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-updates-nodo-and-mango-coming/
I still believe that we'll see at least 3 updates in the year. 2 small ones and one large one.
Carriers could hold up and update for 1 cycle. That "advantage" would seem close to useless if the cycles could be almost a year apart.
You misspoke when you said updates are pushed out by carriers. Updates are released by Microsoft but tested by carriers before officially released.
From the article:
Thurrott reports that NoDo will RTM in January, with consumers seeing the update in the early February timeframe, after testing by carriers.
I don't think it would be logistically feasible to push tons of updates and bug fixes as they come up, instead of cumulative updates.
The carriers have to certify them, and I'm sure that they have to be given a certain amount of time to do so.
Though I would like to see an aggressive update schedule. Maybe one every 3 months.
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Paul Thurrott from Windows Phone Secrets have revealed, well, some secrets about the upcoming Windows Phone 7 updates.
He writes that we can expect two updates this year – the first expected to be announced this week, but only pushed in February by carriers, will be called NoDo (for no donuts), will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset, a CDMA location stack, and a number of software fixes.
Of note is that the Snapdragon-based Qualcomm 7×30 chipset comes with HDMI output and the ability to play back 720p video on both its host device and a HDTV. It also supports Flash 10.1.
The next Mango, will come some time later in the year, and bring Internet Explorer 9 with with the Trident 5 rendering engine, HTML 5 and Silverlight, and gesture support. This 75xx (actually version 7.2) update will apparently bring additional, unrelated features as well.
Paul also mentions that Microsoft does not intend to push a number of small updates, but only a few large updates per year, which should mean long waits between each one.
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wpcentral.com/thurrott-details-2011-wp7-updates-mango-and-nodo-as-no-donuts
wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-updates-nodo-and-mango-coming/
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actually he said that there will be more small updates between now and mango.
Though mango sounds like a great update (IE9 with full silverlight and html 5)
The fact that "Mango" is being labeled as the "Entertainment Branch" makes me wonder about what the "Business Branch" is.
I think it's safe to assume that there is a Business Branch. So I wonder what priority is given to it. Will it come before or after Mango? Will it be released concurrently? What types of updates would fall under "Business Branch"?
I would say letting carriers in "testing" the update is a bad move on Microsoft's part. If it is anything like Palm, a carrier will push the update rather quickly (Sprint), while the other carriers will release it much latter (one month or more) and only because customers were getting pissed (AT&T and Verizon).
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I would say letting carriers in "testing" the update is a bad move on Microsoft's part. If it is anything like Palm, a carrier will push the update rather quickly (Sprint), while the other carriers will release it much latter (one month or more) and only because customers were getting pissed (AT&T and Verizon).
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As it was said above, the carriers don't push the updates. When MS released WP7 they said all devices would get updates at the same time, regardless of device or carrier.
The proclamations of imminent failure are rather humorous. It shows 2 main things to me.
1. Some people have very short attention spans, and can't fathom the idea of a "long term plan"
2. Some people think that every other consumer wants the same thing that they do
Microsoft is in this for the long haul. The fact that they have stated that they don't expect to be in a position to beat the major players for at least a few years shows that they are looking at this as a long term investment.
There is a large portion of the mobile phone using market that hasn't upgraded to using a smart phone yet. Many people are happy with their regular phones because they feel that they don't need the features of a smart phone. However, every year, more and more of this very large market slowly moves over into the smartphone arena. These are people who want something that is slick, easy to use, and interesting. They don't need every feature under the sun. These are the kind of people that made the first iPhone such a success even though it severely lacked features compared to Windows Mobile. These are the people that the "Really?" commercials are targeted towards. People who haven't already jumped on the smartphone bandwagon because it just all seems like "too much."
The fact that MS is planning major upgrades to WP7 at all is awesome. It shows that while they are going for the casual feature phone user, they also want to get smartphone users as well. And the fact that they're doing it so quickly is even more awesome. After all, how long has the phone been out now? 2 months? 3 months by the time of the first update? Not too shabby.
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Just a few I garnered for you:
http://blog.wirelessground.com/windows-phone-7-success-or-failure/
http://www.conceivablytech.com/4653...hone-7-failure-microsoft-will-buy-ad-company/
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7-even-bigger-disaster-i-thought-912
http://mosspuppet.com/2010/03/15/windows-phone-7-is-already-a-failure/
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/662...phone-webkit-html-5-ie7-browser-google-ap.htm
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/gartner-predicts-windows-phone-7-will-not-succeed
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I clicked on some of these articles and some were from March, September, and right around the time of launch. Seriously?
From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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It's supposed to be current generation hardware that has that.
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From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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The MSM7x30 is a second generation snapdragon that has improved GPU (as used in the T-Mobile G2). Though, based on the wiki this is 800 MHz. Guess we'll have to wait for the actual details.
All current WP7 phones use the QSD8250, so this won't benefit existing phones.
poedgirl said:
As it was said above, the carriers don't push the updates. When MS released WP7 they said all devices would get updates at the same time, regardless of device or carrier.
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With that being said, can't Microsoft themselves push the update as early as next week? The first update seems really minor.
MartyLK said:
A consumer oriented model would have brought the features out either at launch or soon there after. And a consumer oriented model would not hold out on features that are common in the market already for such a long period of time.
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If the features were ready at launch or around launch, they would have been released. We don't have the functionality because it's not ready. It is no more complicated than that.
abhinayp said:
From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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lqaddict said:
Yet MS orchestrated the iPhone funeral during WP7 launch...
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So MS can't do that because they feel (and they do) that they have a good competitive product?
The thing with articles is because they influence public outlook on stuff (for the most part). How many claimed WP7 was gonna fail because KIN was discontinued? Articles nowadays are usually biased toward or for a certain platform and hardly treated as fact. It's always an opinion of some person.
I think you missed my point that a very large percentage of potential customers aren't interested in a list of "features" that could be checked off.
Many people who are transitioning from feature phone to smart phone just want the transition to be nice and painless.
You're looking at things from the perspective of a veteran smartphone user. And most people aren't.
I disagree that the mango update is an issue. It's not like android where half the devices are still on 2.1 with 2.2 released months ago and 2.3 just released.
Updates will be across all phones, yes it will take time to get them, but what OS gets releases out fast?
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I disagree that the mango update is an issue. It's not like android where half the devices are still on 2.1 with 2.2 released months ago and 2.3 just released.
Updates will be across all phones, yes it will take time to get them, but what OS gets releases out fast?
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Only thing on this thread that hasn't made me cringe with "WTF?!", so thanks for that.
Did anybody really expect HTML5, Silverlight, Copy & Paste, Multitasking within 2 months of release and bug-free?? That's impossible. They've only been working on the entire OS for just over a year ffs. I'm amazed we're even using WM7 right now, let alone getting ANY sort of an update within a few weeks.
People on this thread just sound like this is their first early adoptation of a phone. Welcome to the gadget world, friends.
Anyone plans to write API for it? , I feel a looser when I see compus on IPhone..
we personally couldn't write the APIs for it. if someone manages to (probably the best way would be to nick the one out of LG phones that is utilised for Google Goggles), it would be homebrew only and not permitted into the market place.
The compass is a required feature of all WP7 handsets so it seems odd there's no API... Perhaps it's coming in the future?
it will be coming in the mango update along with some more APIs, at least that was what was hinted from CES. the mango update isn't set to be released till augest/september though which is a bit of a bummer.
on this post http://wmpoweruser.com/two-windows-phone-7-updates-coming-before-mid-year/, it seems that the "january" update is coming out at either late february or march: "Just wanted to let you know that the article regarding "two updates’ for WP7 is incorrect, partially. There will be indeed two updates, but CDMA is coming as part of the first update. This is due out late Feb / Early March. The reason the update is so late is due to the CDMA support."
so it seems that this'll be coming out likely on march. sucks! The longer MS delays this update, the more their platform could potentially suffer.
Till we get an offical word from CDMA providers, it does not mean anything. Thanks for the post but, it's kind of what they have been saying for a few weeks now.
You'll see CDMA phones as well as the Copy and paste on the same day..
DavidinCT said:
Till we get an offical word from CDMA providers, it does not mean anything. Thanks for the post but, it's kind of what they have been saying for a few weeks now.
You'll see CDMA phones as well as the Copy and paste on the same day..
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Don't you mean "official word from MSFT"?
In any case, I'm happy enough to wait for copy and paste or any other functional updates. I'm not too happy about having to continually wait for bugfixes though, they need to start getting these out as and when they're fixed.
I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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I have scratched my head raw over that and other things MS is doing...erm...not doing...with WP7. I have the idea they are kind of gun shy. They have the best mobile OS skeleton ever created and are terrified they may screw it up some minor way. So they are tippy-toeing as though walking on eggs with WP7 integration.
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This is a big mistake on the part of MS. Waiting for CDMA???? They have an obligation to their early adopters before supporting CDMA, IMHO. The issues with SD cards on Samsung Focus devices is no trivial issue and waiting 2 months to solve this is unacceptable. They need to get their heads on straight and start presenting a logical and believable issues and features update path to the market. They may be the 300 pound gorilla in the room, but there are a whole bunch of other gorillas who have been in this room for much longer. This is absurd and nonsensical.
OMG WE HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH LONGER FOR SUPPORT ON CDMA (which quite frankly sucks) and copy and paste (which I'm sure very few will use) on our OS that is just as close as any other to perfect? man that sucks, I dont know what I'll do... oh wait, I'll go play some original xbox live titles and use my zunepass while watching netflix all seamlessly. Duh! I understand that the verizon people are upset and whatever but I mean CDMA shouldve been dead long ago anyway...
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OMG WE HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH LONGER FOR SUPPORT ON CDMA (which quite frankly sucks) and copy and paste (which I'm sure very few will use) on our OS that is just as close as any other to perfect? man that sucks, I dont know what I'll do... oh wait, I'll go play some original xbox live titles and use my zunepass while watching netflix all seamlessly. Duh! I understand that the verizon people are upset and whatever but I mean CDMA shouldve been dead long ago anyway...
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I agree with most of that, and I don't think anyone is really saying they suck for taking their time getting CDMA support. Heck, I don't even think most people are that bothered about Cut'n'Paste (or any other added functionality) takes a little longer. What I, and reading comments on other websites - most people - have a problem with is their unwillingness to supply hotfixes as and when they have been patched and tested.
I hate bringing up the camera, yet again, but they touted the dedicated camera button as a killer feature - and for me, it is, I tend to use the camera lots - but having the camera settings revert to sucky mode every time means the whole feature is dead. By the time you've fiddled around in the settings to get a good photo, the moment has passed and that great photo you were gonna take turns into a blurfest of someone's back. Not delivering a fix for this by now is outrageous. Being told there will be no update (and by update I really mean bugfixes) until March is even worse. Being told we have to wait until March when their publically available information first stated January is friggin unforgiveable if you ask me.
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I agree with most of that, and I don't think anyone is really saying they suck for taking their time getting CDMA support. Heck, I don't even think most people are that bothered about Cut'n'Paste (or any other added functionality) takes a little longer. What I, and reading comments on other websites - most people - have a problem with is their unwillingness to supply hotfixes as and when they have been patched and tested.
I hate bringing up the camera, yet again, but they touted the dedicated camera button as a killer feature - and for me, it is, I tend to use the camera lots - but having the camera settings revert to sucky mode every time means the whole feature is dead. By the time you've fiddled around in the settings to get a good photo, the moment has passed and that great photo you were gonna take turns into a blurfest of someone's back. Not delivering a fix for this by now is outrageous. Being told there will be no update (and by update I really mean bugfixes) until March is even worse. Being told we have to wait until March when their publically available information first stated January is friggin unforgiveable if you ask me.
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What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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Drivers for different chipset probably.
Earned
I have been the staunchest defender of WP7 and MS, and I will continue to be but this type of inaction in the face of real issues (I don't give a rats rear end about C&P) makes it very tough. My own feeling is that this tortoiselike approach is going to earn MS few friends in the market. This is not the Windows desktop market. Although I have to say, having auto update set on my Windows XP, I get regular hot fixes sent automatically to my laptop. Shouldn't we expect the same or better in this face paced market?
Look, if some of these issues are allowed to fester for 2 more months, MS has earned all of the negative feedback they have asked for. This is a new OS for goodness sake, you want to put your best foot forward especially in a market served by vendors who have mature or maturing competitive products. If you can't, you want to appear to be as responsive as you can so missing features and real problems become non-issues. In other words, who cares, MS will fix it immediately.
This is unacceptable and anyone looking at this objectively must feel the same.
Agreed
neoxphuse said:
small updates, one every 2 weeks should be sufficient. i've had my for over a month now.
they need to implement faster. sometimes i don't understand. as the previous poster says, really? saving camera settings? come on.
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There is no excuse for this and other issues. AT&T and Samsung sell SDHC cards as accessories for the Samsung Focus. There are serious issues with these cards and several threads in these forums address those. No Flash support is a real issue. Many sites I visit regularly I can no longer view animations, something I could do with WM 6.5.X custom ROMs. Come on now, if the chefs customizing for WM 6.5.x can provide this, why can't MS? I am not going to go on. These are ussues and not missing features. How real is multi-tasking, who knows. How real are the three issues I mentioned above - very real!!! I went to the noaa.gov site to look at animated radar maps, no go. I tried to buy my daughter an ecard from Hallmark and tried to view the cards before buying - no go. This is rediculous. I am waiting for the telltale signs of sdhc card problems to begin popping up as I add more data. What kind of experience is this, MS. You want my vote on this and your sincerity in fixing these issues? I don't think so.
Flash is Adobe product, nothing Microsoft can do to speed up the flash player development from Adobe (which outsourced all its devs to India).
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Flash is Adobe product, nothing Microsoft can do to speed up the flash player development from Adobe (which outsourced all its devs to India).
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actually this isn't entirely true. whilst adobe flash is not microsoft's product as stated, it is up to MS on how the implementation is done. and MS has acknowledged that they are working closely with adobe to implement flash into windows phone without breaking it's integrity or hindering performance. hence for the august/september release of it.
MartyLK said:
What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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You do that... and remember to let us know in a few months when you've finished customising and hacking it so you can actually do something useful on it.
This is worrying. Looks like they were really really unready when releasing WP7.
This delay - if true - is really annoying.
Because some things on WP7 are idiotic and should be improved ASAP.
Camera not remembering settings is a joke. But I also think c&p should be here earlier.
But what is also worrying is how late will be the next update? When most of the countries will be supported? What about Bing?
Because all of the rumour I read is c&p. OK we need it.
But in fact looking as a whole, in most countries WP7 is still a cripppled product. I have no native letters in keyboard, no language support, can't buy Marketplace stuff etc.
Basically it is ridiculous. I see nowhere any sign of change.
With all the sympathy I don't imagine waiting a year or more for that, and considering amount of work which has to be done by MS... Looks like a bad JOKE.
I start to think that the first update will be decisive factor.
Call me weird, but I love the fact that camera resets itself to default settings, it's the best way to make quick shots and be sure the result will be more or less decent.
As regards update delay, you never know what's happening. They may have found a bug in their update system or whatever.
Just so you guys know, MS is now promoting the behaviour of the camera not saving settings as a FEATURE, clearly listed in their how-to on pictures; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/take-a-picture-or-record-a-video.aspx. So I wouldnt necessarily expect a fix anytime soon.
MartyLK said:
What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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Thanks that was really helpful
Joking aside, I actually like the way all my settings pop back to the defaults each time I take a new round of photos. I use the default settings 99% of the time and get pretty good results. If I set the camera for, I dunno, sepia, for one session, the last thing I want is to then quickly take an important pic later on, only for it to come out bloody sepia again, just because my last shoot was sepia.
The default settings are fine for those quick point-n-shoot moments, the moments where the dedicated camera button really helps capture the shot before its gone.
I for one think Microsoft should leave things as they are.
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Just so you guys know, MS is now promoting the behaviour of the camera not saving settings as a FEATURE, clearly listed in their how-to on pictures; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/take-a-picture-or-record-a-video.aspx. So I wouldnt necessarily expect a fix anytime soon.
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and Ballmer would use his favorite phrase: " it's not a bug, it's a feature!" xD... like who cares if nobody like it... =P Anyway the default mode is the best for many different conditions but it should have at least "save" option or avutosave and one button "default".