Re: Android Installation Issue
Dear Pros,
Kindly, I would like to inform that I have a problem when I want to install Android on my TP2 I get an error when I run the "Haret.exe" which is "Launch a script file. Default path is the same where the executable lives. default.txt" and next to "default.txt there is (Run), so when I click on "Run" a message appear "Cannot open script file \Storage Card\default.txt" . Morever, under that there's something called "Start waiting for connection on port 9999 when you connect, you'll get a remote hardware examination tool. That's it .. ?!!
So, would someone tell me how to install Android 2.2 .. ?!!
By the way, I've already installed Dual-Boot, but the issue now how install it without any problems.
Last thing .. If I run Android and use it always, so I will spoil the battery like this way .. ?!!
Thanks a lot to you.
Your Brother,
Mulham
Mulham82 said:
Dear Pros,
Kindly, I would like to inform that I have a problem when I want to install Android on my TP2 I get an error when I run the "Haret.exe" which is "Launch a script file. Default path is the same where the executable lives. default.txt" and next to "default.txt there is (Run), so when I click on "Run" a message appear "Cannot open script file \Storage Card\default.txt" . Morever, under that there's something called "Start waiting for connection on port 9999 when you connect, you'll get a remote hardware examination tool. That's it .. ?!!
So, would someone tell me how to install Android 2.2 .. ?!!
By the way, I've already installed Dual-Boot, but the issue now how install it without any problems.
Last thing .. If I run Android and use it always, so I will spoil the battery like this way .. ?!!
Thanks a lot to you.
Your Brother,
Mulham
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use the startup utility and then just check the path to haret.exe, if you would rather use dual boot then make sure haret in on root of sd card
and as for the battery, using android could spoil it as it would change charging habits
No, the default.txt error is happening because you don't have a startup.txt. Please copy the startup.txt over for your device per the FAQ.
Thanks a lot to you guys. It's working now ..
One thing more .. After the Android started up v2.2 it's so slow on my TP2, and at the same time I feel that there's some problems like when you want to choose any option it won't to open .. !!
Anyway, thanks again to you
Thanks.
Dear Pros,
I need a solution for this problem .. ?!!
I have a question about Android. It's possible to install the official ROM of Android on the TP2 .. ?!!
Mulham82 said:
Dear Pros,
I need a solution for this problem .. ?!!
I have a question about Android. It's possible to install the official ROM of Android on the TP2 .. ?!!
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No, it isn't.
Dear Pros,
Kindly, I would like to from you to provide me a link for downloading the Android build version as same as this video which is "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sZziersP7s&feature=related", so would someone share this information to be available for everyone, and I will be grateful to you
Thanks
Your Brother,
Mulham
Mulham82 said:
Dear Pros,
Kindly, I would like to from you to provide me a link for downloading the Android build version as same as this video which is "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sZziersP7s&feature=related", so would someone share this information to be available for everyone, and I will be grateful to you
Thanks
Your Brother,
Mulham
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Are you serious? Please tell me this is just a joke and that you're trolling. It's the first thread of the Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development sub-forum. Do a search next time.
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Greetings,
I recently acquired a Kinpo iDo s601 and it comes with Windows Mobile 5, does anyone have any idea about how can I upgrade it for Windows Mobile 6? I've been searching for ROMS of that kind but I couldn't find anything adequate for this PPC. If anyone have any ideas I'd like to hear from you.
Thanks in advance
João
Ptakatsuki said:
Greetings,
I recently acquired a Kinpo iDo s601 and it comes with Windows Mobile 5, does anyone have any idea about how can I upgrade it for Windows Mobile 6? I've been searching for ROMS of that kind but I couldn't find anything adequate for this PPC. If anyone have any ideas I'd like to hear from you.
Thanks in advance
João
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Do you have any english rom you can send me, I can buy one only with Chinese rom.
thanks
I am also looking for a wm6 rom for my Ido_Neon (s601) currently running in wm5 which i recently acquired in Dubai. If anyone has any idea how to upgrade this device please advice me too..Thanks
just like others, i got that phone today, and this is my first ppc phone, it seems quite interesting, and like someone can hack wm6.1 for us.
here is rom to download.
english
http://www.ido-me.com/downloads/S601_WWE_0211a.zip
chinese
http://www.vis.com.hk/download/s601_116_T.zip
i found a tool for decompiling the official rom from china forum, ( http://www.inv.org/viewthread.php?tid=9865 ), and i put these stuff here, so someone interested in these phone can now cooked the rom they want.
after trying several times, i think the tools on the last post has some problems.
it can decompile the rom, but it can't recompile it, even you did much of moving the dump files, the recompile files has nothing change as the orginal one, no idea why and i need help from others.
still waiting someone to mod the above files, so we can make our own wm6 for s601.
just one more push for those who wanna be our GOD.
how to install that rom??.
please..
please somebody tell me h0w 2 install that rom.. i dont kn0w hoy to install bin fle for s601.
to intall the new rom:
1, put the eboot.bin and nk.bin on sd card
2, hold voice record+ right hand buttom
3, push reboot pin
4, the screen shows 3 icon , you first format your phone, and reboot, and you update your eboot.bin, and lastly you update your os.
5, then you can flash your phone successfully.
thnks
thnks f0r d steps..
How to flash
Can somebody help me, I'm still trying to flash my phone.
What are exactilly the buttons and how should I press them?
I don't have the user manual or quick guide so would be difficult to know wich button to press without some picture.
I would appreciate some help, please
Thanks.
arthurson said:
to intall the new rom:
1, put the eboot.bin and nk.bin on sd card
2, hold voice record+ right hand buttom
3, push reboot pin
4, the screen shows 3 icon , you first format your phone, and reboot, and you update your eboot.bin, and lastly you update your os.
5, then you can flash your phone successfully.
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Hi,
How to flash?
Steps 2 and 3.
Regards
help me
someone please help me out i just formated my ido s601 and icant download the bin file english version
please if some1 who has that file please send me a copy
my email [email protected]
thanks!
another link
please somebody post another ling for downloading a rom for s601. the previous one it dosnt work anymore. thnks.
urgent reply needed
did any one have these english roms plz plz upload i formated and also changed the boot loader to some version phone started with that boot loader and in vibrate mode need both "Eboot.bin" and"nk.bin" files
iDo(600,630,601)
Also I have those there models of iDo(600,630,601) did any body tell how to dump all rom files from those devices so i can put it on xda fourm users to use
pls if anyone who has the rom files for ido s601 pls upload it. thanks
sharing is good!
Hi all,
To be more clearer than the title, each time Faman does a new ROM, I update my Trinity and so I have to re-install all my CABs. I have created a folder on my storage card and I install it one by one.
So the question is, can we have a soft installed on the storage card where you can choose all the cabs that you want to install ?
You could maybe choose for each cab if you want to install it on the storage card or on the phone and then launch the global installation
I was thinking on doing it with Mortscript but maybe something already exists.
Thanks for your help
lmr2003 said:
Hi all,
To be more clearer than the title, each time Faman does a new ROM, I update my Trinity and so I have to re-install all my CABs. I have created a folder on my storage card and I install it one by one.
So the question is, can we have a soft installed on the storage card where you can choose all the cabs that you want to install ?
You could maybe choose for each cab if you want to install it on the storage card or on the phone and then launch the global installation
I was thinking on doing it with Mortscript but maybe something already exists.
Thanks for your help
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Hi,
I'm looking for it too....
BYE, Bobo
me too!!
Stratos74 said:
me too!!
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Hi,
I've read that with Microsoft Visual Studio that's possible... as soon as possible i try to make a procedure....
But not in the nex days because i've some problem...
If someone have it ready please share with us... Thank's
BYE, Bobo
It's good to see that I am not alone
Thanks for your replies.
Is there someone who can do that ?
Apreciate
there are a couple of apps that will do cab installation for you.. There's info under the backup/restore section of the trinity upgrade guide on my site. Sorry I can't be more specific, just checking in real fast on my iPhone
racerx_ said:
there are a couple of apps that will do cab installation for you.. There's info under the backup/restore section of the trinity upgrade guide on my site. Sorry I can't be more specific, just checking in real fast on my iPhone
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Downloaded !
I'll try it.
Thanks for your help
Is it working ? I'm interested in too
lmr2003 said:
Downloaded !
I'll try it.
Thanks for your help
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I can't found anything...where you have found it?
MatteoC said:
I can't found anything...where you have found it?
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Have a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308100
yeah that's the one. Sorry my memory was a bit foggy. Settings saviour gets me back up and running with all my software within 15 minutes of a flash
lmr2003 said:
Have a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308100
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Thank'you very much!
lmr2003 said:
It's good to see that I am not alone
Thanks for your replies.
Is there someone who can do that ?
Apreciate
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I've already posted a mortscript to do this. you can see it in the collection of mortscripts.
jiggs said:
I've already posted a mortscript to do this. you can see it in the collection of mortscripts.
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Where can I find you collection ? I'm interested in that.
Thanks
I have tried the tool as I have just flashed my Trinity to the the Faman's v4 full D ) and it works fine. It will retreive all your bluetooth devices, your My documents folder... It's great
I think jiggs refers to a thread in the Development and Hacking forum...
But I don't think a mortscript is good for your purpose - not because of the script he wrote is bad nor mortscript itself is bad, the thing is you actually need to install mortscript manually before you can invoke that script and thus defeating your original idea to install everything automatically....
If mortscript can be compiled into a standalone executable, that would be better
== MOD EDIT ==
please check stickY
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Hi there,
First of all! Great forum! You guys have build a great community and I like it. But I hope you can help me with this. i know there are a lot of threads about this, but because all the different type of phones/android versions ect... I don't know what to do...
My question, how can I get Adroid running on my HTC Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium). I have the standart version, so not a branded one.
I've tried to install it but android won't launch. Maby one of you could create a mini tutorial or a noob tutorial, because I think there are more people like me (with less knowedge of phone tech) who want to run android on their phones. I hope you could help me!
Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Sami
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997
Rhodium XDAndroid Rebuild .CAB WWE(02/24):
Please download the appropriate .cab for your device!
Rhodium/Touch Pro 2 Android .cab:
Rhod210 Download
Tilt2 Android .cab:
Tilt2 Download
NEW: Rhod100 fr/uk/de Android .cab:
Rhod100 Download
Instructions for .cab:
Cab is only WWE for the moment. If you still want to try this build skip down to the .rar for any other language.
If you are installing this over an old version of android, and you do not format your SD card, make sure that you at least delete data.img file from your SD card!
Copy to SD card
Install: This .cab does install directly to your SD card.
Soft Reset your handset
Run Haret from start menu and enjoy!
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how could it be simpler?
Samich2007 said:
I have the standart version, so not a branded one.
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so download the rhod100 and run it.
where do u dl haret.its mentioned but theres no dl link
cdiesel said:
where do u dl haret.its mentioned but theres no dl link
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Haret is part of the android program. (haret.exe)
You can either use a file explorer to navigate to storage card/android/haret
or with the .cab installs (anything after 2/22) you will get an icon in your start menu.
Reefermattness said:
Haret is part of the android program. (haret.exe)
You can either use a file explorer to navigate to storage card/android/haret
or with the .cab installs (anything after 2/22) you will get an icon in your start menu.
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yea thanks i did a little digging and was finally able to understand that
i dont know why posts like this are started. its so easy to use this perfect cab file! nothing else to do. if people would read just 10 minutes in other threads all questions should be answered...
how could it be simpler?
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I have the standart version, so not a branded one.
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so download the rhod100 and run it.
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Hi Thanks I've used that thread but used the wrong cab. Didn't know that rhod100 is the standart version
Thank you! It works now, but is it a known problem that you cant fill in the correct code (PIN code for your SIM?).
And second I can't charge my battery with the usb cable is this also a known problem?
Thanks
Regards!
Sami
Samich2007 said:
Hi Thanks I've used that thread but used the wrong cab. Didn't know that rhod100 is the standart version
Thank you! It works now, but is it a known problem that you cant fill in the correct code (PIN code for your SIM?).
And second I can't charge my battery with the usb cable is this also a known problem?
Thanks
Regards!
Sami
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Disable your pin in WinMo as stated in my release notes.
Samich2007 said:
Hi Thanks I've used that thread but used the wrong cab. Didn't know that rhod100 is the standart version
Thank you! It works now, but is it a known problem that you cant fill in the correct code (PIN code for your SIM?).
And second I can't charge my battery with the usb cable is this also a known problem?
Thanks
Regards!
Sami
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as mentioned above
read the XXXX manual before posting...
edit:
ok Reefermattness was faster again
Mod Edit: Keep language clean juniors use XDA, also sometimes best to say nothing........
Oké thanks
Works, xD I will read better next time,
And is there a version from android that can enable the wifi on the touch pro 2?
Samich2007 said:
Oké thanks
Works, xD I will read better next time,
And is there a version from android that can enable the wifi on the touch pro 2?
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next question which could be answered in minutes reading other posts...
NO there is no android version with working wifi for rhodium yet...
Oké i'm sorry... Hope it will be availible soon.
Samich2007 said:
Oké i'm sorry... Hope it will be availible soon.
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I have Android installed on my phone and it works fine except one MAJOR thing. I messed up the touch screen calibration and now I can't use the touch screen in android and I cant figure out how to recal the touch screen in android.
Got it. i just deleted the ts calibration file from the android project folder and started android again.
lhwparis said:
as mentioned above
read the ****ing manual before posting...
edit:
ok Reefermattness was faster again
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Ok man maybe you can help me out with the problem im having. I go to file explorer and i launch Haret.exe and it immediately takes me to the linux booting page with the penguin at top. But it soon stops saying "Cant access tty. Job control turned off. And it doesnt move from there. What am i doing wrong?
delete all the contents from the .cab file you downloaded, make sure your memory card has wiped any remaining files from the original download, re-install and make sure you are downloading the correct .cab file for your handset, install to memory card and try again.
Yo Ihwparis chill out. This is a forum for information trading and gathering. Everyone was a noob at one time or another including you and asked questions that have been asked a million times already. Stop treating people like idiots. Help them or stop reading the thread. Someone else will help them out. It's not that serious. I can tell you one problem here that I encountered was a thread would be started and trail off into someting completely different never answering the first question. After reading pages upoon pages you get nothing. Some people like myself have real lives and real jobs and dont have time to sit here and read every post. If you take it so serious maybe you should sticky an informative how to guide and maybe that will stop people from bothering you so much.
gary-09 said:
Ok man maybe you can help me out with the problem im having. I go to file explorer and i launch Haret.exe and it immediately takes me to the linux booting page with the penguin at top. But it soon stops saying "Cant access tty. Job control turned off. And it doesnt move from there. What am i doing wrong?
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Is the folder in the root of your memory card?
dutch169 said:
Yo Ihwparis chill out. This is a forum for information trading and gathering. Everyone was a noob at one time or another including you and asked questions that have been asked a million times already.
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I was actually on XDA for about 6 months, reading, before I finally decided to even MAKE an account, because I didn't want to be "That Noob". It was about another 6 months to a year before I posted anything at all. As you said yourself, most questions have already been asked a million times. This means that it is only a matter of reading, before you find someone that has asked the same question. In most cases once you find the question, and read a little further it leads you to the answer. He was smart enough to post in the correct sub-forum, which means he must have read through the forums a bit anyways. It wouldn't have taken much more work to read the top 3 sticky threads in that same sub-forum, and find the answer to the question.
I can get the whole thing to load however I cannot ever get the start screen (touch the androind to start) to ever let me touch it. The only thing that works is the keyboard input. Any suggestions?
Hi guys ,
I want to install Ubuntu on omnia 2 like HD2 and other ppc ...
is there any one that have experience or have haret and startup file ?
thanks a lot
threeFX said:
Hi guys ,
I want to install Ubuntu on omnia 2 like HD2 and other ppc ...
is there any one that have experience or have haret and startup file ?
thanks a lot
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Hi. Have you found something?
Iam trying to install Ubuntu on omnia 2 too.
Ubuntu_Mobile this is not in development...
I you found something please POST IT thx
Found the cure!
I've uploaded ubuntu for omnia II to my site.
I'm currently working on it so you can make and receive calls with it.
linkmnia2geek for downloads go to Downloads & Screenshots page.
if you are interested e-mail me at :[email protected]
the love for Omnia II
arash i can't find your site :-( i am very interested to know where i could download all i need to put ubuntu on my omnia2, so i hope you could write again your site so i can go there
News
To everyone that wants news:
1_check this thread for news...
2_check you message box...
3_pm me...
the love of beloved Omnia II
arashtarafar said:
To everyone that wants news:
1_check this thread for news...
2_check you message box...
3_pm me...
the love of beloved Omnia II
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ohohohohoh thank you a lot for your help
@arashtarafar
1. Your site says it has tutorials... These two files are tutorials (according to tutorials even domain www.omnia2geek.com does not exist)?
2. You didn't even wrote what is working and what is not (probably You are using files from android alpha pack, so everything is not working?).
Ubuntu on my site
@voyteckst
I can't put my domain name here because of the laws but check your message inbox.I've sent it for you.
I do have tutorials for installing ubuntu.just go to my site,the downloads and screenshots page and click on "DOWNLOAD TUTORIALS".
I'm currently working on Android 2.2 on omnia 2 and I hope I can manage it.
I've built a new ubuntu build for omnia 2 by merging omniubuntu(ubuntu on i900),Andromnia 2 kernel and Rhobuntu.the new ubuntu is named OXIIGEN.if you're interested you can:
1.check this topic everyday
2.pm me
3.visit my site and leave comments
4.find me on modaco
5.e-mail me(if you want my e-mail address pm me)
OR you can join my team and take part in my projects!
if any question don't hesitate...ASK!
The love of Omnia II
Hey @arashtarafar, I tried to download the files from your site, and the 4shared server are blocking my country for download - I think - maybe if you can move the files to other server I will can download them...
Thanks!
seems that many users have problem with 4shared.
OK.I'll try to upload to somewhere else...
Hi Arashtarafar,
Very nice development! Congratulations.
I cant download the images from the hosting.
What feature is working in this rom?
Android: Almar & Sandor make phone work, you can contact at
http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000-omnia-ii-gsm-rom-discussion/322429/android-on-omnia-ii-i8000/
Android features to finish: Last part of Sleep, partially implemented cam(60%)/3g(?)/sensor(50%).Thats all.Accelerated video partially works(samdroid) (http://twitter.com/INB2ENSECURITY)
Hope to see Ubuntu soon !!
Best wishesS!
More news at:
http://code.google.com/p/omnia2droid/wiki/LatestNews
Hi Arashtarafar,
I'm very interested in trying ubuntu on my i8000, I've got a custom rom on it now but it's not really doing it for me. As I'm experimenting with Linux MCE I'd like to use my i8000 as an orbiter which would work perfectly with Ubuntu I suppose.
So if you'd please send me a link to your site
risley said:
Hey @arashtarafar, I tried to download the files from your site, and the 4shared server are blocking my country for download - I think - maybe if you can move the files to other server I will can download them...
Thanks!
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you can download OXIIGEN from RS...
OXIIGEN features
Hi.I thank all who have waited till now but their wait is to an end.
OXIIGEN is uploaded to the web completely and the download links are at the secons page of my site.
ubuntu features:
synaptic
KVkbd
cpu meter
pc-like terminal
... ... you can manage filesystems in terminal!!!
ubuntu works on any I8000 rom(the newer the better)
I don't warn but it warns that ubuntu will work in 32-bit mode
note that don't use it for a long time.due to the processor that has to manage all the processes(data,graphic and...)and because it has no fans it might overheat!
arashtarafar said:
Hi.I thank all who have waited till now but their wait is to an end.
OXIIGEN is uploaded to the web completely and the download links are at the secons page of my site.
ubuntu features:
synaptic
KVkbd
cpu meter
pc-like terminal
... ... you can manage filesystems in terminal!!!
ubuntu works on any I8000 rom(the newer the better)
I don't warn but it warns that ubuntu will work in 32-bit mode
note that don't use it for a long time.due to the processor that has to manage all the processes(data,graphic and...)and because it has no fans it might overheat!
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no worries man, as long as I can make phone call and send text message then it shall be fine.
@arashtarafar Great work, keep it up, u have our support
Thank you for the upload, I´m downloading the files, it worked, you have made a wonderfull project, I think if you can talk to the almar on the project omnia2droid he can send you the drivers that you need to improve your project...
Keep doing the good job! It will ensure that omnia 2 will not die with time...
good day i am trying to run Oxiigen on a i8000 and keep on getting kernal panic ..downloaded , expanded it put it in my storage and ran haret.exe , boot's into bootloader and then i get a kernal panic..reboot in 30 secounds ...any help thanks got it ..nm..thanks
capercb said:
good day i am trying to run Oxiigen on a i8000 and keep on getting kernal panic ..downloaded , expanded it put it in my storage and ran haret.exe , boot's into bootloader and then i get a kernal panic..reboot in 30 secounds ...any help thanks got it ..nm..thanks
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thanks for notifying me of some troubleshooting explanation:
if you get kernel panic make sure your cpu mode is set to Auto...
hi guys, i want to know is it possible for us to install java apps like opera & other symbian apps which are exclusive to symbian OS with its exclusive tweaking capabilities to work on SGS2 ?
i mean i like so many apps in symbian OS which r still not available for android. i really miss them.
can anyone here pls write a program where we can convert .jar/.jad to .apk on the fly... either web based / at offline using a siftware is ok.
i tried several solutions like upontek.com & netmite.com etc.... none of them work..
it would be great to have such softwares pls.. i am badly in need of that software. pls help me....
manuvaidya said:
hi guys, i want to know is it possible for us to install java apps like opera & other symbian apps which are exclusive to symbian OS with its exclusive tweaking capabilities to work on SGS2 ?
i mean i like so many apps in symbian OS which r still not available for android. i really miss them.
can anyone here pls write a program where we can convert .jar/.jad to .apk on the fly... either web based / at offline using a siftware is ok.
i tried several solutions like upontek.com & netmite.com etc.... none of them work..
it would be great to have such softwares pls.. i am badly in need of that software. pls help me....
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You could try this, never tried though
http://www.netmite.com/android/
http://www.netmite.com/android/srv/2.0/getapk.php
not working for me bro.... i have posted the same in my first post that its not working right ?
anyone else know about it ? i am sure chainfire knows definitely about this.... r u listening buddy ???
manuvaidya said:
not working for me bro.... i have posted the same in my first post that its not working right ?
anyone else know about it ? i am sure chainfire knows definitely about this.... r u listening buddy ???
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Sorry didn't saw that. I don't know then.
Try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4598392&postcount=2
FPRobber said:
Try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4598392&postcount=2
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Thanks for ur reply, but its not working on my SGS2. so many FCs after i installed it & tried to open...
any solution for that ? did it work in ur phone ?
https://market.android.com/search?q=opera&so=1&c=apps
maedox said:
https://market.android.com/search?q=opera&so=1&c=apps
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cant i do that myself in my SGS2 market itself ???
anyway, like ur sense of humor.... i wanted to know is there a wayto run jar/jad apps on android... because i wanted to run some modded apps which run perfectly on symbian but not android yet. because those modded apps r in jar format. hence i asked for an emulator or a converter software...
thanks anyay...