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http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2008/01/06/exclusive-windows-mobile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Here are the details of the new Windows Mobile 7 due to be released on Devices in 2009.
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.
Awesome !!!
Maybe a little too awesome. Something like this is just fine for tweakers like us, but something tells me that having to remember what all these different shakes and gestures mean is going to baffle everyday users.
That being said though, the scrollbars, pan arrows and zoom boxes are genuis.
sacwoo said:
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.
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I have a lot of faiths to the genius developers here in this forum. Having said that, I think I would probably have replaced my Hermes by then.
i would love to have this on my Phone!!! i will tell my brother to shuv his iPhone up his Asssssss
It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes
ViktorX said:
It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes
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Why? Or just a feeling?
I can see this, people walking around and all of a sudden, you see someone just shake their phone. The looks you would get from non tech savvy people.
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Why? Or just a feeling?
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Just a feeling I think that Hermes don't have enough RAM and ROM for this windows and processor may be to slow (or not)!
at least any wm6.1 around? Just waiting to see next wm6.1 on my hermes, WM7 is still far away ...
This is something that should be launched by Xmas 08 as 6.1 or 6.5. If Samsung can release a bespoke touch phone interface by this Xmas 07 (F700) - what the hell have M$ been playing at?
Sitting on the dubious laurels of WM spring to mind. The fact is that companies like Samsung (i600) and HTC (their touch software/hardware) have done about a million times more to keep WM usable than MS have done.
Remember 09 they will likely be competing with a 2nd or 3rd generation 3G iphone, probably App Unlocked in some ways, and probably Me-Too phones from all the Major phone makers.
Too little too late is my thought.
Another thought does this blog have a legit history of predictions?
yes
hope to have something before 2009
http://www.zooomr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Does anyone have aclue if our artemis will be able to run wm7 and explore all of those touch potencialities?
wm7 will not be out before 2009
so it's everybodys guess
heck ms and pda makers could have changed
cpu away from arm compable cpu's we use now
to something different by that time
Rudegar said:
wm7 will not be out before 2009
so it's everybodys guess
heck ms and pda makers could have changed
cpu away from arm compable cpu's we use now
to something different by that time
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i kind of know what you mean, but you do make it sound like its years in the future, its only next year and the technology wont have changed that much,
I dont think WM7 will work on Artemis because the supposed hardware features the OS needs, we dont have it, and if we did get wm7,it would be very limited, or just a basic new look without the special features.
I think a skin program or a special written emulation program is the best
were going to see on our devices.
joey jojo said:
i kind of know what you mean, but you do make it sound like its years in the future, its only next year and the technology wont have changed that much,
I dont think WM7 will work on Artemis because the supposed hardware features the OS needs, we dont have it, and if we did get wm7,it would be very limited, or just a basic new look without the special features.
I think a skin program or a special written emulation program is the best
were going to see on our devices.
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dude one year is looooooooooong enough in the tech industry
but i agree WM7 will be far more advanced to run on Artemis or if we did get lucky and we got WM7 on our phones,it would be very limited in use, or just a basic new look without the additional features
Same old story like XP and Vista
It will be like running Vista on your old Desktop Computer: Either you don't have graphics power for Aero or your entire system will be too slow to run this thing.
It looks nice but no thank you! By the time they have it released I will have my ultimate pda-phone and my Artemis will be trash compared to that.
WM7 compared to WM6.1?
Maybe this is a matter of me not having read enough about WM7 specs, but judging by the way WM6.1 runs on my Artemis with most animations etc turned on(FAST!), I think WM7 might not be such a far grasp. Of course, we'll know for sure when someone WM7 is released and someone is kind enough to bake a ROM for us!
Looking forward to it!
all the fun fun fun stuff is hardware based though (3d accel, accelerometers)
and they may change the entire framework of how windows mobile works. remember that odd numbered releases are major overhauls and even numbers are GUI refreshes
the hardware based godness wont work obviously, but it will probably get ported.
Remember WM6.1 is available on here for the Himalaya, originally a WM2003 device IIRC
If THATS possible.....
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dude one year is looooooooooong enough in the tech industry
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Its not even a year now though, in 5 months time it will practically be 2009. And in my opinion, the only real major change in PDA's is the release of a WM device with an accelerometer (Diamond). I am confident that WM7 will be available for the P3300 in its full glory
Oh, and the odd number/even number thing is rubbish, if thats actually true, where is WM4/2004? :|
It's 2009
It's February 2009, and it's still not out now.
I saw some screenshots of supposedly running WM7 (with photo of ugly-looking bird as wallpaper), though.
i think that was WM6.5 , not 7
thanksszxsx
Hello everyone. Can I have some expert opinion please? Do we think that the tilt 2 which was just released last Oct. and I just got mine last week, will be able to support windows mobile 7? Do we think that AT&T will upgrade the OS when it comes out? Being and owner of win mo phones since the 8125 first came out, I know how slow AT&T is to release updated OS's.
This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
I'm not an expert at all...
But it seems like it's one thing for W7 to be somehow cooked to run on the TP2, but another thing for it to run well, without excessive lag (for example).
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This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
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This is a great point. Whenever someone dares to mention WinMo7 on the TP2, you get flamed and the spec impossibilities yelled at your face. But exactly my point about what people said "couldn't" be done!
It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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The Zune OS is based off of the Windows CE kernel, which is also the base for Windows Mobile, so there wouldn't be complete incompatibility as some of the false rumors lead you to believe. There are a lot of blatantly false rumors floating around on even the most respected WM sites, so take every unconfirmed rumor you read about WM 7 with a grain of salt.
Though I would love Windows Mobile 7 on the Touch Pro2, I have to say that it's pretty unlikely it'll happen. First, to everyone who gives the example of WM6 running on WM5 devices and WM6.5 running on WM 6.x/5.x devices, the reason this is easy is because all these operating systems (WM5-WM6) run the same Windows CE 5.2 kernel. It's a lot easier to backport an OS when it uses the same kernel. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be based off Windows CE 6 or 7, and it'll likely take a hell of a lot of low-level work to get WM7 on the Pro2.
If you don't believe me, look in this thread at PPCGeeks, where some of the most technical people discuss this issue in more detail. It seems to me that we'll need a new everything, from the SPL and bootloader to new hardware drivers (since it's extremely unlikely that WM7 will support the Qualcomm MSM series considering the rumored WM 6.5.x and WM 7 coexistance scheme, where only 6.5 supports lower end devices and hardware like the MSM series).
I'm not saying I don't want WM 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, but I am trying to be realistic here, so I'm gonna say it's likely no to WM 7 on the Pro2.
one guy from htc russia announced WM7 minimal requirements: 8Gb onboard, CPU1GHz,FM, 5Mpx,compass,G-sensor,3,6",WVGA.
but of course its not true
My Universal (2005) came with wm5!
Then upgraded to wm6, then to wm6.1 and I got it working with wm6.5
I´m sure the great chefs here will manage something so we can have wm7 for sure!
Did a quick search on the the forum and didnt find anythign..
Is this going to eventualy be able to be ported for the tilt2?
I have to say i am pissed on what it is looking like so far, I really liked windows mobile because it was different and had multaple devices that you could choese but I would like to try it at least.
I know it may be too early but thought I would see if someone knew
Windows 7
From what I have heard, All current wm 6 phones will not be able to upgrade to wm7. I beleive they are upgrading all phones that will have wm7 system with better, faster processors and the current phones dont have them and ultimately wm7 won't work on them. Consequently wm7 wont be coming out until well into 2011.....atleast the 3rd quarter.....as rumors have it that is....hope that helped.
also it is rumored wm7 requires capacitive touch screens, we have resistive with the tp2.
There will be NO WM7 for the TP2 .. Really I dont want it.. you wont be able to get all the COOL apps we have or do all the things we do to hack out phone as easy! all APPS will need to come through the app store like the apple iphone..
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There will be NO WM7 for the TP2 .. Really I dont want it.. you wont be able to get all the COOL apps we have or do all the things we do to hack out phone as easy! all APPS will need to come through the app store like the apple iphone..
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yep, you also have to use internet explorer, bing search, bing maps, zune marketplace. you get no real customization or third party apps. its horrible. htc sense looks better tbh. what youre gonna want running on your phone in a year is android.
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Did a quick search on the the forum and didnt find anythign..
Is this going to eventualy be able to be ported for the tilt2?
I have to say i am pissed on what it is looking like so far, I really liked windows mobile because it was different and had multaple devices that you could choese but I would like to try it at least.
I know it may be too early but thought I would see if someone knew
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I´m sure a great Chef will manage to port it in some way
Have a read on WP7 section to follow all details
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=605
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also it is rumored wm7 requires capacitive touch screens, we have resistive with the tp2.
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Considering the HD2 has a capacitive screen and they were able to port that over to the touch pro 2 I'm sure it IS doable. They also had said they the Sense 2.5 interface would run to slow on our phones and now its blazing fast.
That said.... odd's are it'll get ported to the HD2 well before the touch pro 2.
I have no doubt that it'll get ported though, buy that time though I'd be ready to upgrade my phone anyway
It's extremely doubtful at best that this device will ever see Windows Mobile 7. One problem lies in with the hardware. Windows Mobile 7 will not be made or compiled for the MSM7xxx series of processor, only the newer, faster chipsets like the Tegra and Snapdragon. I don't see any way around that unless we can get the source and compile it ourselves. Next is the kernel. Windows Mobile is designed in such a way that the kernel must fully support the device's hardware. Windows Mobile isn't designed like Windows for PC, where you can simply put it on and it does all the driver work. We need full drivers to run Windows Mobile 7, drivers I might add do not and will never exist unless we write them.
In addition, what about the bootloader? The bootloader will very likley need to be updated so it will boot Windows Mobile 7, but how to go about doing that? Porting a new version of Windows Mobile is a hell of a lot harder than porting Sense 2.5 or any other software. It's also going to be completely different (and more difficult) than porting Windows Mobile 6.5 to Windows Mobile 5 or 6 devices, since the kernel is totally different.
I think that the only way this device will ever get Windows Mobile 7 is if someone has a Windows Mobile 7 Rhodium test ROM for internal use by Microsoft, and it gets leaked here. Otherwise, we're probably out of luck.
It's not that I don't want Windows Mobile 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, I'm just thinking realistically.
ME WANT D:
mine is a tmobile one
ME WANT ME WANT D:!!!
this is the facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/We-want-Windows-Phone-7-on-Our-Htc-Touch-Pro-2-NOW/162988837078172?v=wall
Let's start making noise!!!
atomiq said:
ME WANT D:
mine is a tmobile one
ME WANT ME WANT D:!!!
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it is good to want. one always desires what they cant have.
sh4d0w86.
The best you can get on a Touch Pro2 is a Windows 7 theme, which can be had from all over the site. One appeared on the frontpage recently, I believe. Neither Microsoft nor any other company will ever release an official update for this device to bring it to Windows 7. There are hardware requirements for the operating system that the Rhodium does not meet. The two biggest ones being the lack of a 1GHz processor and a capacitive touch screen. Without those two components, this operating system will never, ever make its way to the Rhodium platform. Your best bet will be to get the HTC 7 Pro when it makes its way into retail stores. This is basically the TP2 with the hardware requirements for WP7.
i know but they could make a Lite version for us at least, and work with what we have, i'm sure something can be done. i'm so tired of wm 6.5 and the slugishness, and crappy apps for wm, perfect example the facebook app, we dont even have an official app of pandora etc etc. when i tried the Xdandroid it felt so different, smoother and faster (even without the cancerous overclock).
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i know but they could make a Lite version for us at least, and work with what we have, i'm sure something can be done. i'm so tired of wm 6.5 and the slugishness, and crappy apps for wm, perfect example the facebook app, we dont even have an official app of pandora etc etc. when i tried the Xdandroid it felt so different, smoother and faster (even without the cancerous overclock).
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You're missing the point. The UI isn't too heavy for us. There are hard coded requirements in the OS. If the device doesn't meet them, it will not run. The OS will not function without a capacitive touch screen, 1 GHz processor, or a minimum of 8GB of storage. You are asking for the impossible here. The other matter is with the SD cards. WP7 bonds the SD card to the device in a sort of RAID 0 array. This means you would have to hard reset your device anytime you removed the SD card. That's why the WP7 devices hide the SD cards from the user. This isn't a matter of the company not paying attention to its customers, it simply isn't possible for them to put this OS on our devices. The only WM6 device that is even capable of running WP7 is the HD2.
It's rumored that the HTC 7Pro should be out next quarter. Maybe you should just wait for that. It's basically the TP2 with the specs needed for running WP7.
I don't really think the hardware is the problem, I think they dont want to take the time to figure out how to get wp7 (basically titatinium on steriods) to work on 6.5 devices.
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I don't really think the hardware is the problem
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You have any actual knowledge/facts to back that up? Just saying something doesn't make it so. I think its been pointed out on these forums that WP7 is written for a different ARM processor than older WM versions.
And the poll choices are dumb. Not wanting something that is impossible and will never happen does not make one a conformist.
hahaha, its as if developers are Santa Clause or something. Maybe if your good enough, one of them will provide us with a perfect android/winmo 6.5 and 7 SUPER port! Ya know, because of course the newest technology can be put on 2 year old phones.... its just that the the darn DEVELOPERS are tooo LAZY!!!
hopefully it is the sarcasm is noted.
Before you start saying "i want, I want"
maybe you should study your device and the software/hardware it came with. Its actually good to do these things BEFORE you buy the device. you see, i have a touchpro2 as well, and it is indeed the perfect device for my needs. and though it aint an EVO, i wouldnt define it as sluggish. but I guess you just have to know how to use your equipment if you want it to work right.
and i like how the "no, im conformist" vote is winning.
bro....maybe you should just get an iphone or something. i dont wanna see you ruin perfectly good htc devices.
Well, I mean, if you guys want to get completely rewrite WP7 for the Rhodium's processor, go for it! As has been said before, system requirements are not met and the actual OS is written for a different kind of processor. WP7 will never be more then a idea for our phones unfortunately. Rhods' processors are only around half of what WP7 needs bare minimum, and at most can be OC'd to 768 mb/ 787mb, about 3/4 of the minimum. Aside from the lack of the ram, space, hardware support, and really just any basis to go on, it should be easy to port. Not.
Hate to sound like a pessimist or a jerk, but before you guys go around talking about how you think it's not a hardware problem or that "someone could do it", maybe you should read up on the idea.
And before anyone asks, WP7 was ported to the HD2 because an HD2 and an HD7 are, from what I heard, almost identical hardware wise. Plus, the HD2 met the running hardware requirements.
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I don't really think the hardware is the problem, I think they dont want to take the time to figure out how to get wp7 (basically titatinium on steriods) to work on 6.5 devices.
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Crap in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up faster.
Mods this thread should be closed...
I have a touch pro 2, and I know deep down inside that it's crappy CPU (that was outdated when the phone was new) would not be able to handle Windows Phone 7.
Anyone who says it's not the hardware on the TP2 is 100% wrong, it's all about the hardware, CPU, memory, buttons, this is why it can't run WP7.
Even if it COULD be ported, it would be slugish and would never be as smooth as a WP7 phone. WP7 is about the experiance, what is the point if your going to put it on a a device that will not give it.
Just install this theme...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859799
It really gets as close as your going to get (look at the end of the thread, there are new updates to files) with a Touch Pro 2.
I'm one who dreams for it to work but, no one is going to re-write all that code for a old outdated disco'd phone.
If your on T-mobile, sell your TP2 and get a HD7, done...
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Mods this thread should be closed...
I have a touch pro 2, and I know deep down inside that it's crappy CPU (that was outdated when the phone was new) would not be able to handle Windows Phone 7.
Anyone who says it's not the hardware on the TP2 is 100% wrong, it's all about the hardware, CPU, memory, buttons, this is why it can't run WP7.
Even if it COULD be ported, it would be slugish and would never be as smooth as a WP7 phone. WP7 is about the experiance, what is the point if your going to put it on a a device that will not give it.
Just install this theme...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859799
It really gets as close as your going to get (look at the end of the thread, there are new updates to files) with a Touch Pro 2.
I'm one who dreams for it to work but, no one is going to re-write all that code for a old outdated disco'd phone.
If your on T-mobile, sell your TP2 and get a HD7, done...
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You know quite a bit, including how to tell the mods to do their jobs. Sounds like a Napoleon complex