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Hello All,
As per the subject i had my HTC Desire purchased in INDIAN grey market.....Received yesterday and everything is O.K....except the Chinese suggestions while typing....
and in language settings i have very limited options....not even US English.....
Cell is running good but can someone please help me how to get US English suggestions...????
Also wanted to know, if i root my device...Which method will be the best for me and which will be the best ROM for me to get the all basics of normal Desire....
Thanks in advance ........W8ting for replies soon......
Connect your mobile to your pc and run RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.21.405.2_Radio_32.36.00.28U_4. 06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed.exe
from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695667 . That is just a stock rom and i don't think you need to root it before you can install it. But before you do make sure that your phone is not branded.
Thanks for quick reply....CAn you please tell me how to make sure that my phone is not branded.
I know it has not been released in INDIA and i have purchased through Grey market.....
what build number do you have? settings->about phone->software information
Please find below the details...Sorry i have gioven all details as i do not know how to take screen shot
Firmware Version
2.1-update1
Baseband Version
32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.00.02_2
Kernel Version
2.6.29-b7e82785
[email protected] #1
Build Number5
1.19.707.7 CL171460 release-keys
Software Number
1.19.707.7
Browser Version
Webkit 3.1
At a guess thats an Unbranded Desire
when it loads up do you get the HTC welcome screen or a T-Mobile/Orange/O2/etc screen??
I think it is unbranded, so that is good. But maybe you should wait for someone else to join into this discussion, because i'm not fully sure and don't want you to end up with a phone which is locked.
I M Getting HTC Welcome screen....
There ya go, Official HTC ROM, just root it and your golden
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189
Follow the instructions for an unbranded Desire
Thx M8's....
DanTehManUK said:
There ya go, Official HTC ROM, just root it and your golden
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189
Follow the instructions for an unbranded Desire
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M8...
i don't wanna root my device....can i flash it with official RUU as said by Flaggie???
Just remember that with rooting you don't have any new languages, you still need to flash a custom rom. You could just first flash a generic rom (which you don't need to root for just connect your phone to your pc and run the .exe) from the xda website I mentioned before and see if you like the regular rom.
pranavd1980 said:
M8...
i don't wanna root my device....can i flash it with official RUU as said by Flaggie???
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Yeh grab it and run the .exe (post above)
Flaggie said:
Just remember that with rooting you don't have any new languages, you still need to flash a custom rom. You could just first flash a generic rom (which you don't need to root for just connect your phone to your pc and run the .exe) from the xda website I mentioned before and see if you like the regular rom.
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Thx M8...i will do the flash with generic rom....rooting is bit difficult for me as a new to android....will study 1st and then of course Custom roms too....
Good good, its all about the Custom stuff
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189
give it a read and when you feel comfy with rooting go with it, and if you get stuck just add onto the end of that topic, simples!
Dear Ones...
I tried to update firmware with generic ROM but got the error....
Can you help me with this please ???
Make sure your phone is in Bootloader,,, then into Recovery mode
The 170 error is normal. At this point your desire is in bootloader mode and you just need to reboot your pc and re run the RUU.
If tour trying to downgrade - I don't think you can without root. I tried last night and It fails. I'm on 1.21 but my phone is now network locked and as its only 2 weeks old the imei is not listed yet on any database to undo the network lock.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Thx all for support...but once again i ended up with same error.....
i have HTC Sync installed and all other thuings i had taken care while updating...no result
Can i have complete detail...i mean step by step procedure..here or anywhere written....
Don't mind...i m asking more but....i don't wanna take more risk....without knowing more facts....
and i am searching here and googleing too....FYI
thx again....
Weird for me it just worked. Do you have the android software development kit installed? http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Hi,
I have HTC Desire that was rooted and I want to restore the ROM to factory default so I will be able to receive the FROYO OTA.
My BaseBand ver. is: 32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2
Kernel ver. is: 2.6.29-82821fb5
I'll appreciate your help.
shpits said:
Hi,
I have HTC Desire that was rooted and I want to restore the ROM to factory default so I will be able to receive the FROYO OTA.
My BaseBand ver. is: 32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2
Kernel ver. is: 2.6.29-82821fb5
I'll appreciate your help.
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just flash one of the rooted ones from here
shpits said:
Hi,
I have HTC Desire that was rooted and I want to restore the ROM to factory default so I will be able to receive the FROYO OTA.
My BaseBand ver. is: 32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2
Kernel ver. is: 2.6.29-82821fb5
I'll appreciate your help.
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Put in the Goldcard and then run the official RUU (you can get one from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6703172&postcount=1)
It should let you install the stock 2.1. Then connect to wifi, go to settings->About Phone->System software updates and hit Check Now.
I did it that way, worked for me.
Thank you for the reply,
How can I be sure what is the ROM RUU that I need?
Hi AndroHero,
Can you please link me to the rooted versions you mentioned...
shpits said:
Thank you for the reply,
How can I be sure what is the ROM RUU that I need?
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I used the WWE version (Link: http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Bra...00.28U_4.06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed.exe). When i booted the 2.1 rom after going back to stock, I got options to choose the carrier so it could apply the internet and mms settings. Am on Voda UK. Didnn want to install the Voda ROM as i think voda always release the updates much later than the official releases. After setting up the 2.1, I did update and it worked.
Hi,
1. While installation i got an error message 171 (connection lost), it was waiting for the bootloader when it threw the error
2. I retried the whole process twice and the same thing happened.
Can any one assist me?
Thanks ahead.
shpits said:
Hi,
1. While installation i got an error message 171 (connection lost), it was waiting for the bootloader when it threw the error
2. I retried the whole process twice and the same thing happened.
Can any one assist me?
Thanks ahead.
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Reboot the phone in fastboot mode, i think its press and hold the volume down button as you switch the phone on. then use volume keys to select fastboot and select it with the power button. When you leave this on there, run the RUU and it should work. WITH A GOLDCARD (IMPORTANT).
My desire is unlocked, why do I need a GOLDCARD?
I did exactly what you suggested. I moved it to fastboot but I still get the same
ERROR[171]:USB CONNECTION ERROR
This happens after the PC restart the device so it is not a 'physical Connection' issue.
I have my phone unlocked and the SIM working. From what I read, I need goldcard if I wan't to unclock my SIM...
Please advise
I successfully installed the RUU ROM, but I'm not getting the 2.2 OTA... What should I Do?
My phone is unbranded and unlocked, do I still need a gold card to restore to factory state for warranty purposes?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
If you purchased the Desire and it was on an x.xx.405.x software version then you don't need a gold card.
Don't people bother to actually absorb information as this is pretty n00b stuff...
I keep offering to help out with FAQs because this sort of information is not clearly stated. But thanks for letting me know. And I presume HTC read this forum and would know our tricks but apparently its still not a problem.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
EddyOS said:
If you purchased the Desire and it was on an x.xx.405.x software version then you don't need a gold card.
Don't people bother to actually absorb information as this is pretty n00b stuff...
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How would anyone know what version of the software his phone had when he purchased it? I, for instance, knew nothing of the "rooting world" when I got my unbranded unlocked desire, so now, after the OTA upgrade, I don't think I can retrieve that information: am I correct?
In order to absorb information, someone has to give it to you. The process is long (for some longer maybe), but I'm sure you were a n00b once and I hope nobody treated you this way.
Luca
That is correct but if you'd read all threads/information logic would dictate that perhaps it's wise to make a note of what it comes with out the box and make sure you have a back up route in case things go pear shaped/need to be reversed. If all you've done is root the phone and not flashed a ROM then you can still check but if you're now on a custom ROM then you're kinda screwed (unless you just wanna be on an unbranded ROM then you can obviously so this).
Easy way of at least finding out if you're branded or not is to just try and flash a stock WWE RUU without a gold card - if it completes then you're unbranded
Yes, I was a n00b once (Android n00b April this year) but I didn't ask any questions - I just lurked and read other posts and learnt by others mistakes and only asked if I wasn't sure what I was doing. I've had previous mobile phones and so knew about checking version numbers so always make sure I know what I have before trying anything like rooting (or the equivalent term for other makes)
Thank you Eddie.
As a matter of fact, I haven't rooted the phone yet: still in the info gathering stage as I just purchased the phone a month ago. I come from "stupid" phones so never had this problem/opportunity before.
I know for a fact that my phone is not branded, but I don't know:
1) which is the software + radio I should download to restore my phone in case I don't like what I get with rooting;
2) which rom to install: in this specific case, the more you read, the more you get confused. I read some people installing the same rom and one saying it is slower than Luancher Pro + stock rom, others that claim that it is faster than anything they've ever tried (and, mind you, they are talking about the same rom!)
3) last but not least, all guides I found in Italian are relative to using unrevoked with windows 7, while I still run xp and it seems that xp poses some additional problems. I just created a virtual machine on my pc to start using ubuntu, but I never even seen the thing!
However, thanks for the help and sorry about being a little snappish in my previous post. I guess we all approach this problem with different attitudes: some would like it to be a real one-click easy procedure and so keep on asking until they find somebody who does it for them!
Ciao
Luca
Yeah I agree to anti-n00b remarks are getting really old. I'm sure many of us have tried searching threads and doing the right thing, so can we all just get over it? I've offered 6 times now to help create FAQs and not one of the anti-n00bs has offered to help.
Anyway, so I understand then that for those with unbranded / unlocked phones it is a simple matter to restore to factory state. Just thinking in case the USB connector broke or something, which worries me a lot because often connections are rather wobbly although I'm not sure how much that has to do with cheap cables or what.
Hi,
I have a serious problem and I could not fix it with anything I tried. Today I had the notification of the official 2.3 update for desire hd. I dowloaded it then the phone is stuck at the htc logo. I tried from bootloder to make factory reset recovery and also tried to flash some roms in fastboot mode.
None of them worked.
My first choice is to get back to 2.2 froyo, but I would like to hear recommendations about custom roms, especially if you have any rom advice wihch can increase battery life etc. I am not an expert in flashing roms however I can also consider for a custom rom in the light of your suggestions. Please help it would be much appreciated.
Regards...
is there anyone who as some comments??
Hello, that sounds rubbish Had you been running a custom ROM before? What network are you on?
got the same problem here too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14568001&postcount=12
thanks a lot but in this thread it says that it can not be downgraded if it is 2.37 or higher when i have tried to flash a rom i see that the it is currently 2.37.720.3.
Do you there might be also another way??
somebody please help, i am really stuck and can not find any solution, i started to think the phone will be brick. isnt there any suggestion...
and no one has tried the 2.36 RUU!? (stop trying the PD98IMG's off the SD)
i also tried to flash 2.36 up to 2.37 it also did not work....
hlfhs said:
i also tried to flash 2.36 up to 2.37 it also did not work....
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Use the RUU and your pc to downgrade it to 2.36, it should work regardless of what you have on your phone.
first of all thanks for your comments.
let me tell you what i have done step by step.
ifound the rom below name specified.
RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_HTC_WWE_2.36.405.8_R_Radio_12.54.60.25_26.09.04.11_M2_release_187331_signed
i enter the bootlodaer because i can not get anywhere else. i plug in the usn then select "fastboot" and it show fastboot usb.
then i run the ruu from pc it starts to flash ( it shows current version 2.37.720.3 and will 2.36. etc. )
then black screen with white htc logo comes but nothing moves further and at the end i get the " Custome ID Error "
i do not know may be i am using the wrong rom if you can please provide another link to another rom or may be a different solution with a custom rom...
i am really stuck at this.
thanks in advance...
Customer ID error normally means you need a goldcard
www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-make-gold-card-for-htc-desire-hd/
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App
thanks for yor suggestion i will definetly try it and give results.
but please excuse my lack of knowledge, according to the instructions i have to use " gold card helper " via phone. my phone is now unusable. i have one android hd2 do you i can create the goldcard on hd2 according to the desire hd setting s and use it on desire hd????
thanks again...
i tried the godlcard solution but now it gave the error 140 bootloader version.
the only thing different than the steps it says chosee mmc2 value but on the goldcard helper i only saw mmc1 and i have sent the e-mail according to that...
what should i do?
does anyone has any suggestion??
since now the bootloader is pooched, you've pretty much bricked the device unless you can get your hands on the original ruu that your carrier uses.
Hi Gurus,
Since the last two weeks , I have tried almost all the options to debrand the Htc Desire Orange UK version, but not success, Below was my cell stock information when I purchased it.
Htc Desire Black Edition (PVT1) not brown one
Froyo 2.2
Hboot = 0.93.0001
Radio = 5.10
CID=ORANG001
I wanted to debrand it to generic from the Orange then I rooted it with UnRevoked and S-Off through AlphaRev and executed the file "RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_159811_signed.exe" from shipped Roms.
After that I got the Radio V2 Fail, When I restarted the cell, there was no display, even the charging light was off.
I contacted a person that has RiffBox, he flashed it and changed the CID from ORANG001 to HTC__001.
My cell new configuration is as below :
Hboot=0.930001
Radio=4.06
CID=HTC__001
Right now I have only fastboot and hboot access with no ROM in cell phone .
After that I tried almost all the Roms from the shipped-roms's bravo secton, they gives 2 types of error upon executing :
1. partition update failed (error on Radio v2 pu fail)
2. signature verification failed.
I want to debrand my cell to generic one , so that I can get rid of Orange stuff.
I am stuck at that point, needed the expert guidance to pass through this situation.
Thanks
No Guru answered till yet !!!
Given that you are s-off and rooted why would you not just install one of the stock rooted ROMs from the second post in this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
I personally would not have changed the CID, can you install your stock RUU anymore?
Thanks 'welshbloke70' for reply.
Well, After having flashed with RiffBox my cell is no longer rooted or s-off.
Currently I have just fastboot and only hboot menu access. RECOVERY is not operational now.
When I turned on the cell, it directly comes to fastboot menu due to no
ROM in cell after flashing. So in this case I can only install from RUU or PB99IMG.zip, the xda link you gave have all the the ROMS but for rooted cell phones.
As now I have changed CID (HTC__001) which is the generic one, so I dont get any CID error upon installing generic RUU.
Any other suggestion would be appreciated.
Thanks,
welshbloke70 said:
Given that you are s-off and rooted why would you not just install one of the stock rooted ROMs from the second post in this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
I personally would not have changed the CID, can you install your stock RUU anymore?
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alidsd said:
No Guru answered till yet !!!
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I guess the forum is out of gurus so you're stuck with us lot. Try this thread to solve your problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796975
Hi Paul,
I think the Gurus/expert are there are too much busy thats why they can not respond.
Well I saw your given link. It requires clockworkmod or Armon recovery, currently I am not rooted, so can not use the roms there.
Thanks,
paul.c said:
I guess the forum is out of gurus so you're stuck with us lot. Try this thread to solve your problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796975
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Do you have a Gold Card??? Cause your problem sounds pretty bad. Since you aren't rooted and you don't have a recovery, it is pretty obvious that you can't install a custom ROM.
I guess you tried also the latest version of RUU which is 2.29.405.5 if you are from EUROPE.
From what I've read you can flash an branded RUU or another RUU on a branded phone only if you have a Gold Card. Now I don't know if this applies to you since you are no longer branded, but you can give it a shot if you haven't tried yet.
I think there is a tutorial on how to make a Gold Card even if you can't access the phone or see the screen. I'll look for it and post it here.
Hope this helps you.
UsManyDead said:
Do you have a Gold Card??? Cause your problem sounds pretty bad. Since you aren't rooted and you don't have a recovery, it is pretty obvious that you can't install a custom ROM.
I guess you tried also the latest version of RUU which is 2.29.405.5 if you are from EUROPE.
From what I've read you can flash an branded RUU or another RUU on a branded phone only if you have a Gold Card. Now I don't know if this applies to you since you are no longer branded, but you can give it a shot if you haven't tried yet.
I think there is a tutorial on how to make a Gold Card even if you can't access the phone or see the screen. I'll look for it and post it here.
Hope this helps you.
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Thanks 'UsManyDead' for taking interest in my case. The answers are as below :
1. Yes, I have gold card, for now its useless. Because as I know we need the gold card only if we are going to install a rom that is different from the current cell CID.
In my case I have already changed my CID from ORANG001 to HTC__001 and any generic RUU supports HTC__001 so there is no need of gold card in my case.
2. Any custom rom can not be installed due to fact that cell is no more rooted.
Only PB***.zip or Ruu can solve the problem. I have tried almost all the roms and ruu from shipped-roms. but they give 2 types of errors as I mentioned in my first post. I have also tried 2.29.405.5 many times but no success.
I know the options are becoming very few , but I hope that I will pass through this failure from you and xda community users.
Any other advice will be welcomed.
Thanks
Hello once again. I just read a little more about your problem, which is very rare but found some good threads you should read and try.
REMEMBER TO READ THEM IN FULL ( FROM FIRST PAGE TILL THE LAST ONE ) and maybe post your problem there, might be easier to get help.
First thread: ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=880268 ( even if it is for bricked SLCD, something in there might actually help, for example how to get the PB99IMG.zip from a RUU file)
Second thread (a continuation of the first): ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831734
Third thread (where I actually found your exact problem): ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000385 . Someone explains some kind of "voodoo" to be done to repair the error you get, and there are positive results, and I think you can use the first 2 thread to get the PB99IMG.zip.
Give it a try and remember to read them in full to understand. Hope this helps. Good luck.
Image of what you get : ht tp://www.imageupload.org/?d=4D9499D01
Can you still get in to fastboot?
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
Hi mate don't know if this can help you....i got usb bricked with my rooted and s-off desire. I flashed a an RUU thinking it would solve my issue but of course it just left me with a USB Brick unrooted! You can't write to that and no access with Adb. I got great help from Unrevoked page which fixed me by getting me back to root.
I summarised the process here:
="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14459375&postcount=520"Here
Hope you might have success with your issue. If this does not help directly you might follow the link to the help page on UnRevoked.....
Sent with Desire.
Thank all of you for taking interest in my problem.
At the end I have got success BUT with failure. Here is my story.
1. Erased and Flashed with RiffBox with CID=11111111 (super id)
2. Kept cell phone in refrigerator for only 5 minutes.
3. Installed the new ROM from PB99IMG.zip (PB99IMG_2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_159811_signed.zip ) without any error.
4. Kept cell phone again in refrigerator for only 5 minutes.
5. Started the cell phone for the first time and executed setup and went till the Home screen fine.
6. Tried some games and flash intensive web sites, and ohhh the phone rebooted.
It rebooted again and again. Untill I pulled out the battery and put it again after 30 minutes, but was unable to reach home screen.
Again kept the cell phone in refrigerator and phone works for a short time before it starts reboot loop.
So the main problem is rebooting now.
I spent nearly 16 hours on net , reading forums/posts for solution but at the end found that there is no solution except the motherboard replacement.
I am in PK and here is no HTC service center. I bought it second hand so dont have any warranty card/info with me.
So its just like a piece of scrape for me.
Anyways again thank you all for the great help. May be this refrigerator solution could work for anyone.
Thanks,
Ali
Have you tried changing cid back to orange and flashing correct ruu?
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
No, I didn't try to change the CID to orange. And there is no orange related PB** or RUU on shipped roms.
I dont think Orange have done some customization in kernel or any other part.
I have seen threads running the generic version on orange brand phone. So it shouldn't be a issue, however bootloop problem is not related to either generic or orange brand rom , its related to motherboard.
Have you seen any post in which generic rom is initiating bootloop while the orange rom solved it ?
Thanks,
Ali
No Ali, I haven't. Seeing that you are in the dead end, I think that its worth trying everything from scratch. Don't know much about cid change, but could it be that cid is in a few places and now that you've changed it it sort of fights itself ? Will have a look into all this a bit later, I'm far from guru, but with a bit of luck should be able to find some info.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
Hi tinky1,
Well, I have complete nandroid backup (boot, data, recovery and system images). I did it when I was rooted by unrevoked (clockworkmod).
Currently I have installed stock rom '2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_ release_159811', so how can I restore my earlier backup (i will again change the CID to orange, no issue) ?
Please remember i can not root now due to boot loop problem.
Any suggestion ?
Ali
So what do you actually have working? Bootloader, fastboot, recovery? Does phone bootloop when (if you can) you go into one of these?
Currently I have working fastboot and hboot. Recovery is not working , it stuck on HTC green logo.
Normal phone startup is also not functional, it reboots itself before it reaches 'Quietly Brilliant' logo.
I have managed to install Cyanogenmod 7 but the bootloop problem still exist. Analyzing the problem.
Sent from Hell using XDA Application
Hi all.
This is my GF phone so i have no idea about them. Been working fine until today. She popped the wifi on and it said there was a new update do you want to update and she said yes so im assuming she has updated to the new firmware. After that it rebooted and then just hung on the HTC logo screen. This is all stock never been messed about with so just shop bought if you like and all official.
I can get into the boot menu ETC and ive recovered it and that still didnt work but the recovery only seemed to delete all my data im guessing as that was the only option
Can someone please help ?
Thank you
Did you go on the thread named Troubleshooting conveniently stuck on top of the thread?
I did mate. its says to format all those listed but all i had was wipe all data. i dont have a clue how or what to flash onto this
Whats does s off and s on mean mate ?
bortak said:
boot into fastboot. Go to shipped-roms.com and find the right RUU for your network provider (right RUU = one for your network provider, and ending in the highest number [therefore newest]). Plug the phone in via usb, run the RUU.
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Having trouble finding the right one for my network provider. uk t-mobile
Sorry for being a noob
http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...9.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_157560_signed.zip
bortak said:
http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...9.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_157560_signed.zip
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Thanx for that mate but thats outta the bravo isnt it not the desire link where i was clicking ?
JMensy said:
Thanx for that mate but thats outta the bravo isnt it not the desire link where i was clicking ?
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If you have enough trust to ask an experienced member for help, you should have enough trust to use what you're given!
Desire = codename Bravo.
Eris = codename DesireC
confusing I know
bortak said:
If you have enough trust to ask an experienced member for help, you should have enough trust to use what you're given!
Desire = codename Bravo.
Eris = codename DesireC
confusing I know
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I have trust just have no experience with a HTC, im a S2 man.
Right have the Bravo, But you say boot into fast boot which ive done connected via usb which is done, but then Run RUU. How do i do that ive been looking about and re-read your sticky but im either thinking RUU is a programme or RUU is a rom ? im a little confused and dunno how to run lol
Thanx for your help mate which is really appreciated but sorry for my htc noobness
RUU is a Windows program which flashes a firmware onto your device. Read more: Desire Unbricking guide and Goldcard FAQ
After installing HTC Sync, you uninstall HTC Sync alone leaving the drivers installed. Then run the RUU and follow onscreen instructions.
Thanx Guys, appreciate all the replys and the help