[IDEA] HTC HDD (for Touch HD Dual) - Windows Phone 7 General

Here is what a mate from my french forum (www.HTC-DEV.com) asked me to post here !
If you want to discuss about it in french, come here : HTC HDD by NAK ...
Psikopathe said:
Hi, you probably don't know me, i'm Psikopathe, i'm not a professional and i don't earn nothing to do that, it's just for fun ...
I try to imagine some cool concepts about smartphones i would like to have. Here is the last one (the HTC HDD for Touch HD Dual), all specifications and what i imagined for it is in the images below.
I'm waiting for your comments (good or bad !!!...) ...
All is here --> NAK PHONE DESIGN
Enjoy ...
Sorry for my english, i'm french !!!...
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very cool device..... i will buy as soon as it comes out... duel boot means Android and WP7 is it???

anca 2 sene sonra çıkar böyle birşey. keşke gerçek olsa !

Wow, that looks really cool. I wonder if Microsoft would ever be generous enough to support dual-boot Mobile/Phone, if given enough support from consumers.

Finally my cellphone fantacy just became a DREAM. If I ever get one of these devices in my hand my dream has just became a reality.
OMG....I just fell in love!!!

Why 4.8 inches? 5 inches should be better

This is the phone of my dreams!

That phone looks amazing... x_x It's a pity nothing this good looking ever manages to make it out to the market.

Hi, I'm back !!!... First, thanks for the administrators to have reactivated my banned account (specialy for "Svetius" who had draw attention to my ban) ... In fact they said to me that my first concept posted looked like a profesionnal advertise, so for me it means that my "work" is not so bad !!!... and thanks to "Zepiii" for the help he gave me to post this one ...
If the administrators are OK, i think that i will start a new thread in "general" section to present all of my current concepts and have your feedback about them to improve the next ones (let me know if it suits to the site guidelines) ...

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Moderators...you Are Losing It...

Hey Guys...there Are As Many As Five Forums Requested Of Late And The Mods Have Just Not Waken Up.
Htc Gene
Htc Phoebus
Htc Vogue
Htc Shift
Htc Polaris
....guys This Thread Is Dedicated To All The People Who Want Their Own Forum. And Lets Start Voting To Show The Strength.....
+1 Vote :d :d :d :d
well not sure about the other devices but the shift has not being released yet! for sale so a forum would be of little use at the moment but once the people who own these devices increase we can expect a change. but not till then. and also lets not be negtive these guys perform a great service to us and dont get paid they only get my and hopefully others respect and support....
just FYI Mod's CANNOT create new forums.
STILL
hey i agree that the mods do a lot for us .... on the other hand if the mods alone cant create sub forums...who can do it...coz if there will be forums ..people will automatically join..and when people will join thr will be constructive discussions goin on...even if it is for a TO BE released fone...aint it
nyxneo said:
hey i agree that the mods do a lot for us .... on the other hand if the mods alone cant create sub forums...who can do it...coz if there will be forums ..people will automatically join..and when people will join thr will be constructive discussions goin on...even if it is for a TO BE released fone...aint it
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Only the admins can add new forums, of thoses admins i think only 1, Flar, is active and she has the flu atm...
nyxneo said:
Hey Guys...there Are As Many As Five Forums Requested Of Late And The Mods Have Just Not Waken Up.
Htc Gene
Htc Phoebus
Htc Vogue
Htc Shift
Htc Polaris
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Hi All,
My apologies for not responding earlier but as midget explained I wasn't able to due to sickness.
The HTC vogue has been added if i'm not mistaken this is the codename for the touch dual.
The HTC shift has been added.
The HTC polaris is added.
Gene and Phoebus are still under discussion within the mod forum.
I hope everyone understands that we don't create a forum for every device HTC thinks up (although we'd love to) but we are short on space and for every new forum we need mods to support them..
HTH HAND,
Flar
hii flar
well i can understand ur side...but HTC has just not thought about the GENE.....GENE is selling hotcake majorly.....plz do sumthin about it....
nikhil
what about a nike forum ... i got one. it is on sale at least in uk and germany.
When you check the new posts,you see only the Kaiser,Elf and Tytn under discussion.I own a gene,but I think the factors standing in the way of its forum are:
1. Nobody can come up with a WM6 upgrade. No point in discussing something that doesnt have any issues/problems. What are we gonna do at that forum,brag about a stable handset?Really,now.
2. Not enough Gene owners speaking out.No advanced users interested in tinkering with it.The ROM Kitchens arent very helpful to the RUU either.
3. Refer to point no.1
Flar said:
The HTC vogue has been added if i'm not mistaken this is the codename for the touch dual.
The HTC shift has been added.
The HTC polaris is added.
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touch dual is "nike", "vogue" is touch for USA (CDMA) with different chipset from original touch and dual... Completely different devices
please, add a forum for touch dual aka htc nike
forum for HTC TOUCH DUAL
YES YES YES...please, add a forum for touch dual aka htc nike
Yes please. The Touch Dual needs to have a separate forum!
Flar said:
Hi All,
My apologies for not responding earlier but as midget explained I wasn't able to due to sickness.
The HTC vogue has been added if i'm not mistaken this is the codename for the touch dual.
The HTC shift has been added.
The HTC polaris is added.
Gene and Phoebus are still under discussion within the mod forum.
I hope everyone understands that we don't create a forum for every device HTC thinks up (although we'd love to) but we are short on space and for every new forum we need mods to support them..
HTH HAND,
Flar
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What about HTC Cavalier, it's more than 3 months that I've made a request for ia new forum???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319855&highlight=cavalier
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321724&highlight=cavalier
Cheers.
Vukile said:
When you check the new posts,you see only the Kaiser,Elf and Tytn under discussion.
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No Way. On the forum home page there is indeed a "no new posts" icon in front of Himalaya WM6, but that's not correct. The Hima is very much alive and kicking and so are the Hima community and the WM6 cooks.
Maggy said:
No Way. On the forum home page there is indeed a "no new posts" icon in front of Himalaya WM6, but that's not correct. The Hima is very much alive and kicking and so are the Hima community and the WM6 cooks.
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So you mean to say that some PDAs have had forums for so long they ran out of things to talk about?Thanks for the support.
No, I mean that there is actually a lot of exciting action going on in the Hima board. Hima rules.
Maggy said:
No, I mean that there is actually a lot of exciting action going on in the Hima board. Hima rules.
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So youre saying if we had our own forums we'd be enjoying the same exciting action? Your generosity knows no bounds.
Vukile said:
So youre saying if we had our own forums we'd be enjoying the same exciting action? Your generosity knows no bounds.
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Of course I hope you get your own boards. But you'll have to create your own exciting action, I'm affraid. Why not start the action in here, in the general discussion area? Publish an exciting ROM, a kitchen and some interresting questions about your device right here and soon enough the admins will transfer them to your own brand new area. At least that's what I'd expect. I'm not an admin or a moderator.
Personally, I think the current list needs to be categorised into generations because despite having a screen resolution of 1280x1024, it remains an absolute pain in the arse to scroll through everything to find the forum you want to go to... perhaps firstly categorising the phones into their various "generations" with no pictures just names (although a horizontal line of phone images across the top similar to the wiki would be good since that wouldn't bloat things too badly) but overall, the idea of just dumping them into Generation categories would save on a hell of a lot of scrolling in any case, and images at the top can enable the casual idiots to find the correct phone.
That's my thinking anyway.
Maggy said:
Of course I hope you get your own boards. But you'll have to create your own exciting action, I'm affraid. Why not start the action in here, in the general discussion area? Publish an exciting ROM, a kitchen and some interresting questions about your device right here and soon enough the admins will transfer them to your own brand new area. At least that's what I'd expect. I'm not an admin or a moderator.
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Id rather excite the wallet of some programmer who comes up with the ROM I want.That, as you say, will set the benchmark/starting point,which is what I said in my first post on this forum.
Btw,forgive the sarcasm in my previous posts. I was watching BBC News and they were putting words in some guys mouth. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Nice shiny new forum, Thanks!

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Awesome. Thanks.
Thanks for honoring our request.
whoo hoo!
somewhere i will be visiting a lot !
regards
T
good to know!
lol gona find some good things here in the future
Great, will everything regarding those items in earlyer threads be posted here?
wow, this is new!
roll on tomorrow when my blackstone arrives!
Welcome to this new shiny place
some existing links :
WVGA Skins for Touch HD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446995
Blackstone Touch HD Themes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3039982#post3039982
I hope we can see new stuff here soon, about when HardSPL is released ! lol
Just Ordered Mine today
I just ordered mine today. I had to choose between the Touch HD and the Omnia.
HTC Touch HD Pros
-Everything
HTC Touch HD Cons
-Price
but I think at the end of the day it'll be worth it. I sold my HTC G1. It was fun while it lasted, but I need a big boy phone. The G1 has potential but it's like a toy compared to the THD
I'm so anxious to get it. (after paying 850 usd)
How do you guys like it so far?
SWEET!
Now I can give my device regular attitude change.
am new to htc but have just got a htc touch hd. can any one tell me how to put new themes onmy phone. what software to i need if any
thnx
Nice new forum
It's still missing a HSPL.. lol
I like mine quite much, but I`m a newbie and noob when it comes to the advanced software stuff, but I am really looking forward to play with it
Oo don`t get offended anyone if I ask stupid Questions....
thanks for this new area
thanks a lot guys for this new section!!!
It will be easier
A Nice new forum
Yes we have it also
Thanks a lot for this new sub-forum
great idea, it's perfect now

iHD project?!

Hi my friends, i wait iHD app...when?!
what is this app supposed to do
is a project appeared in summer, even spring for which i have not heard anything...pity, it was interesting( graphics as iphone)
there are quite a bit programs/skins like this. tried ifonz ?
HTC sense is a better interface than android anyway.
bgmarian said:
Hi my friends, i wait iHD app...when?!
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I can`t understand WHY you BUY a HD when you want to look like iPhone ?
Even the iPhone is cheeper one so Just Buy one iPhone and you will have all "I" Things on
@tsalta.... if i like the iphone, was not on this forum... I DONT UNDERSTAND how a guy with this language, became a "senior member"...
It was a program( like iFonz, WAD...etc) of enthusiasts for enthusiasts of people on this forum.
I think you need to appreciate and respect everyone"s work....if you understand me....
Hi bgmarian,
If you like the iphone interface, you can use Iphonetoday 1.3, this is the fastest and best iphone like interface for windows mobile.
Find more about it, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508429
bgmarian said:
@tsalta.... if i like the iphone, was not on this forum... I DONT UNDERSTAND how a guy with this language, became a "senior member"...
It was a program( like iFonz, WAD...etc) of enthusiasts for enthusiasts of people on this forum.
I think you need to appreciate and respect everyone"s work....if you understand me....
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I understand you but i can tell you that you can use the SEARCH and find what u need. Guy with my Language?
See this "Hi my friends, i wait iHD app...when?! "
You wait iHD when?! this sound me like a comand i cant understand you clear what u want exactly if you ask normal i can tell you where to find solution or similar interface like iHD but with this that you wrote sound not very cool....
Also i respect everyone in this forum and appreciate all the work also im trying to help with what i can why you mess other peoples when we have conversation betwen me and you?
NO COMMENT i will not write you anything anymore i don`t have time ....
Crappy English much ? =D
Why you want ApplePhone Interface, if you started to hate WM face, try to use I, Robot (Android) face, should be more advanced!!!

mayday

guys...i'm in a dilemma and thought you could help me...
maybe this isn't the right section to do so but...didn't have the idea where else to post this
should i swap my hero for a touch pro 2
i love senseUI and android as it is beautiful,simple and so on,but lacks some software (which is not too important but...still counts)
i checked prices and tp2 is still more expensive (maybe because of the OS)
i have experience with abut 15 htc wm devices but never got hands on tp2...
so based on hardware vs hardware and your experience...what do you suggest
Hi farkub,
If I´m not mistaken you had an Universal right?
Go for Rhodium with no doubt!
Is the best hardware keyboard device to this date and 2010 models won´t be better.
Hero is ok but Android is too young and immature for now, perhaps in the future...
Just my opinion
Cheers and hope to see you on this section soon
nah i had artemis,himalaya,magician,hd,hero,diamond,hermes,herald,kaiser, and several more..but you probably ran into me in general and hermes section
i saw your poll...and thank you for it...
as for the immaturity i thought so too
but half of it went away when i got hands on hero...and the other half still stays (birth dates tell for themselves)...maybe 2.1 firmware is better but too bad i'll not have it when the htc's 2.1 upgrade comes out hehe
thanks for the opinion orb,much appreciated
as i thought i will go for tp2...at least for fun because it's a thrill to change and trade phones and to discover every of them
as we all know...there will never be a perfect one (the technology goes on and it's not quite good for the market to give the perfect one to the crowds)
hardware to hardware...
TP2 wins .. no brainer!!!!!
In all specs, TP2 is better than Hero!
Software???
I had the HTC Diamond
Windows Mobile sucks!!! It just does not have that many good software out there.. and when you find them.. Prices are higher.
I was waiting for the Diamond 2 to come out.. but got tired of waiting so I tried the Hero...
Wow... I dont see me going back to WM!
Hope that helped!
farukb said:
nah i had artemis,himalaya,magician,hd,hero,diamond,hermes,herald,kaiser, and several more..but you probably ran into me in general and hermes section
i saw your poll...and thank you for it...
as for the immaturity i thought so too
but half of it went away when i got hands on hero...and the other half still stays (birth dates tell for themselves)...maybe 2.1 firmware is better but too bad i'll not have it when the htc's 2.1 upgrade comes out hehe
thanks for the opinion orb,much appreciated
as i thought i will go for tp2...at least for fun because it's a thrill to change and trade phones and to discover every of them
as we all know...there will never be a perfect one (the technology goes on and it's not quite good for the market to give the perfect one to the crowds)
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Wow!
You had a lot of devices, nice!
It´s great to know we will be seeing here!, it´s always nice to see familiar members
More than agree with the last part of your post!
Cheers,
so i swapped them today...let's see how long will this relationship last hehe
as for never coming back to WM....i wish i didn't but my current needs are a bit more pointed towards wm because of some specific software which can help me in my studies...i'm studying mechanical engineering and all that great software really helps out sometimes
i really liked android...and i still do,but this was a clean swap 1 for 1,and this still is a phone with better value...and i'm thinking about selling the tp2 already...it's brand new,no scratch on it....with all goodies...so if anyone wants we can talk...but till then i'm gonna enjoy it while i can
and believe it or not...i'm a windoze hater
but software forces me to use it...both in pc and ppc worlds
(but still i use ubuntu most of the time on my pc hehehe)
thank you dan and orb
TP2 owns every other phone I've had, including the sucky iPh*** 3gs..
Hardware vs hardware, it's the smoothest WM phone I've had, using Valkyrie's rom of course.
Update radio, and mess with the settings a little, and you go yourself a bestfriend.
Imo, I think android's are crappp.
oh yeah which rom do you people suggest
valkyrie seems to be a decent one....probably energy roms are good to but that tone of bluer really irritates me
and for the radio...i put blackstone radio rom to a diamond and the battery life doubled...so is the 1.17.**.** blackstone radio also good for this one or you suggest other maybe
and for messing with stuff...that's what keeps me with WM
i'm a tweak freak
Hi
If you are thinking on sell your TP2 let me know (PM)
As for ROM try Energy phoenix (Sense 2.1) this version:
EnergyROM_28008_RHODIUM_04.Dec.2009_Standard
If you can´t find it let me know and I´ll send it to you
Cheers,
is everything blue? ...hope not...i will pm you...but i have to find a way to get the payment...since accepting payments via paypal doesn't work here in bosnia (or that's at least what one guy told me)....any ideas?
farukb said:
is everything blue? ...hope not...i will pm you...but i have to find a way to get the payment...since accepting payments via paypal doesn't work here in bosnia (or that's at least what one guy told me)....any ideas?
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Do you have a paypal account already?
If so PM me and send me your email account and I can try making a "test deposit" if 1USD to see what happens
I think it should work
orb3000 said:
...Android is too young and immature for now, perhaps in the future...
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i definitely agree with this. I love android but still to young for me. and the TP2 is an awesome phone, best htc i've ever owned and i always wow people when i pull it out. wouldn't have it any other way!
People know the hero, most peeps haven't seen the TP2 and the keyboard and screen blow them away. i've converted 2 crackphone users over to TP2!! {applause}
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rvt1000 said:
i've converted 2 crackphone users over to TP2!! {applause}
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Great for that!!!

[Q] Is anybody working on a GingerBread port to Wave ?

Hai Developers and my buddy Friendss !!
I am really dissappointed with Bada 2.0 (Delayed) and I wish to know whether anyone is working on a Port ...... ! I have seen the overclocking of WAVEDROID to 1.6 GHz (Great work mate Great WORK) and was thinking whether developers can port GingerBread on WAve !!! I use GS II and wwould like to seen that in my Wave too !!!
I am really amazed with the porting of Froyo to Wave !! I never thought that might be Possible !! (Hats Off the guys behind it !)
It android 2.3 POssible ???
never
koray06tr said:
never
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why ?
is there a technical issue that make it impossible ?
Hej youre against the rulez man, Android forum is on the other site, you just have to read the Forum specific headlines, before you post.
Shame on you.
And there is a sticked post FAT on the Forums Head and you done it against, posting without thinking we dont see here lovely.
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
i'll port it for you just give your wave to me for testing purposes!....
hell,....i will even do honeycomb or icecream sandwich for you......just need that useless phone of yours.....(i wont ask for any donations...)
but if you pay me just a little bit i can even port IOS9..(yes the one which is still to be released!....)
i know people like go to the store to but a anderoid phone....but those F**king storekeepers must have just put a gun on your head and foreced you to buy a wave with BADA....
i only port for people who are in your condition (people who buy phones without researching about them i.e. what they offer what they don't and after a year or so wake up and decide that the want anderoid on the wave and then join a forum and post (AGAIN WITHOUT SEARCHING.....lol)in placese asking for anderoid on wave and only offering thanks and a bunch of silly questions regarding how they bricked there wave while flashing anderoid from a tut!)..
ignorance is a bliss....(you are a real life example!)
well my offer is still open!.......im nearly 99.9% done with everythingjust need your wave for testing purposes!....
regards.....LOL
Hellseekar.....
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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that is brilliant
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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looooooool ) ha ha
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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WOW an awsome web site to bad i am a real bada user and i am proud to be one
so i will not go and chenge to android
and just do you know all you madaf*&^&s STOP and think maybe bada is better and every way then any OS
but............................................
to bad the stopid samsung don't publish the bada os stronger then her stoipd galaxy s 2 bla bla bla etc....
and make the sdk esayier and more intractive (not to way you think perbers) for getting more develepers to make better and more apps to the system
and useless apps like a map for a small town at japan
why the hell i will ever need that crapy apps
we want stronger and more complicate games that use the all benefet of bada os
and why are the waves so low on system like take the wave 3 when all most the new smartphones at the market have better screen and better prosesers and more ram . RAM IT'S ALL WE THE HELL NEED RAM IT'S THE ANSWER!!!
ps. i know that i am making a headache
larioteo said:
Hej youre against the rulez man, Android forum is on the other site, you just have to read the Forum specific headlines, before you post.
Shame on you.
And there is a sticked post FAT on the Forums Head and you done it against, posting without thinking we dont see here lovely.
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Sorry mate !!! How to move this thread or should i remove this and post it again ??
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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LoL !! looks fnny but it used the Search and didnt find any thread named like this !!
hellseekar said:
i'll port it for you just give your wave to me for testing purposes!....
hell,....i will even do honeycomb or icecream sandwich for you......just need that useless phone of yours.....(i wont ask for any donations...)
but if you pay me just a little bit i can even port IOS9..(yes the one which is still to be released!....)
i know people like go to the store to but a anderoid phone....but those F**king storekeepers must have just put a gun on your head and foreced you to buy a wave with BADA....
i only port for people who are in your condition (people who buy phones without researching about them i.e. what they offer what they don't and after a year or so wake up and decide that the want anderoid on the wave and then join a forum and post (AGAIN WITHOUT SEARCHING.....lol)in placese asking for anderoid on wave and only offering thanks and a bunch of silly questions regarding how they bricked there wave while flashing anderoid from a tut!)..
ignorance is a bliss....(you are a real life example!)
well my offer is still open!.......im nearly 99.9% done with everythingjust need your wave for testing purposes!....
regards.....LOL
Hellseekar.....
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Well ! I bought the wave because of its specs ! LoL !! I bought it on the second day of its release in Germany ....(actually i should have bought the G S I but due to my urgency I choose Wave) !
Your reply was nice but I Used the Search to find any post about this Topic (While posting a thread it automatically searchs for the thread that resembles this post but it didnt show any thing so I thought no one has posted this !)
Thanks for the reply mate !!
oleg is working to port a fully working android 2.3 on wave. he said the work would be done on autumn but still no news from him. he is our last hope. all we have to do is wait wait and wait. have a nice day
we have to wait wait and wait... bada2.0 is coming...
There's an ocean between bada and android. Wave will burn its processor trying to port android OS..
szb314 said:
we have to wait wait and wait... bada2.0 is coming...
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it doesnt satisfy me.
shadowkavi said:
Well ! I bought the wave because of its specs ! LoL !! I bought it on the second day of its release in Germany ....(actually i should have bought the G S I but due to my urgency I choose Wave) !
Your reply was nice but I Used the Search to find any post about this Topic (While posting a thread it automatically searchs for the thread that resembles this post but it didnt show any thing so I thought no one has posted this !)
Thanks for the reply mate !!
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mmmm......well it didn't show cos you are posting in a wrong place.....where we take bada seriously (well...about 99.1%)
hellseekar said:
mmmm......well it didn't show cos you are posting in a wrong place.....where we take bada seriously (well...about 99.1%)
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Yeah ! thats my Fault Posting here !!!! SCREW ME !! LOL !!!!!!!! Thanks for the Info !!! I have bought a TouchPad and i will be donating for porting android into it ... and i also want to donate for the android gingi to the wave (I will contribute !)
73nokian said:
oleg is working to port a fully working android 2.3 on wave. he said the work would be done on autumn but still no news from him. he is our last hope. all we have to do is wait wait and wait. have a nice day
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Thanks for the Info mate !!! We need to put some money to Mr.Oleg and Boost him up !! (I will donate soon)
Oleg said that he doesn't want money, he simply likes messing with his wife's phone. Also we really don't have any news from him, so who knows if he's still working on the port. Just sucks that this is a one man show. Bada sucks balls, but the phone is awesome and cheap.

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