Develop Bugs

[Q] HTC HD7 vs Samsung Focus

I'm not sure which phone to get. I have the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate right now which is just like the focus and i like the captivate (coming from the iPhone 4). I'm just not crazy about android and I have always been a lover of windows mobile. The HD2 is one of my favorite phones out and that's basically the HD7. So which one would you go for. My contract is up with at&t on November 9th so I'm not sure if i should stay and go with the focus or switch to t-mobile and get the HD7. What it really comes down to is The super amoled screen which I love vs the 4.3" screen which I love.

I would go with Dell Venue.

I'm going with the Focus myself.

Haha I'm in the exact same spot. I have a Captivate but am considering going over to WP7. Stuck between the Focus and HD7.
From a practical standpoint I'm leaning more towards the Focus simply because it has an accessible Micro SD slot and of course the superior screen quality. But I love the HD7's form factor and screen size.
Need to see the HD7 in person to determine if I'm willing to take the step back in screen quality. That's really the deciding factor.

I just pre-ordered the HD7. Don't trust engadget's review of the screen. Every other video of the phone shows it is much more vibrant and the blacks are a lot deeper. Probably because every time engadget showed it was at an angle, when realistically the phone will only be viewed directly.
EDIT: I'm coming from an amoled equipped Nexus One.

ryotgz said:
I'm going with the Focus myself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As am I. I was originally going to go with HD7/Venue but then decided Focus.

I have to go with the HD7. I have been a fan if HTC for years. At&t 8125, T-Mobile Mda, wing, G1, touch pro 2, HD2, It's only right for my to go back bow that they have another top notch device. I love my vibrant the screen is amazing but
4.3 inches for movies is just better seeing that everything thing is close to being the same. I can live with 16gigs I have 32 right now and have used only 10
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

I'd say the Focus because the size is perfect, has a super AMOLED, and is said to have a slightly more responsive screen.
I'm personally hoping the Dell Venue Pro eventually hits Verizon since T-Mobile is just a launch partner.

manlisten said:
Haha I'm in the exact same spot. I have a Captivate but am considering going over to WP7. Stuck between the Focus and HD7.
From a practical standpoint I'm leaning more towards the Focus simply because it has an accessible Micro SD slot and of course the superior screen quality. But I love the HD7's form factor and screen size.
Need to see the HD7 in person to determine if I'm willing to take the step back in screen quality. That's really the deciding factor.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know its so hard to make a decision. I love my super amoled but the hd2 has the same screen as the hd7 so if you want you can make your comparison from there.

Halabeaster54 said:
I know its so hard to make a decision. I love my super amoled but the hd2 has the same screen as the hd7 so if you want you can make your comparison from there.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Put the HD2 and the HD7 next to each other and you will see that the HD7 is clearly a better screen. The screen is more comparible to the evo.

Windows Phone 7 is a complete programming break from all earlier incarnations. It would stand to reason that some features wouldn't be implemented in the first pass. Windows Mobile was losing market share at an astonishing rate, and one of the bigger reasons was the lack of a cohesive, polished, smoother user experience. Despite the ability to tether and cut/paste. The marketplace has obviously spoken, and said that user experience is far more important that feature set. Why would a for profit company emphasize the exact ideology that resulted in nothing but eroding market share, when other companies took the exact opposite approach with mind blowing success?

Focus.
Better screen. Much better camera. Expandable memory.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I wouldn't jump on the hd7 just yet. I'm using the hd2 because my iphone4 got stolen and im tired of paying full price for iphones, I would stick with ur iPhone get it unlocked for t-mobile, and use it until something goes wrong, or sell it on ebay for some ridiculous price and get yourself covered for the hd7
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

im on the same boat... i have an evo and need to dump sprint since its signal absolutely blows at home...
originally i want to get me an hd7, but im getting a bit worried after reading some initial reviews (poor build quality, sub par camera) ill hold off on judgement on the screen till i see it personally since i have a newer build evo (hw3) and the screen looks fantastic compared to the hd2 and early evo's (hw1-2), so if the hd7 uses the same screen then it will pass...
on the other hand there is the samsung focus with the super amoled screen, vastly superior battery life reported by reviews, and superior camera, my concerns with this one is the lack of camera flash, plasticky build, and at&t's tiered data plans (has anyone had issues with this since it was applied?)
bottom line...
HD7:
+ screen size, dual flash, kickstand (love it), more developer attention, unlimited data (tethering?)
- battery capacity, average camera, average build, inferior contrast
Samsung Focus:
+ super amoled screen, camera quality, slimmer, battery life
- cheap feel, no camera flash, limited data
opinions? ? ?

mike21pr said:
\
...
Samsung Focus:
+ super amoled screen, camera quality, slimmer, battery life
- cheap feel, no camera flash, limited data
opinions? ? ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For the negatives: I've heard mixed reviews on the 'cheap feel,' some say it's not that bad, and even feels pretty good. There is an LED flash on the back, and I still have an unlimited plan.
For the positives: You didn't mention the expandable storage that the focus has, which for me is a huge plus. I've also seen a video with a Samsung exec jabbing his pen into the screen showing that it wont scratch (gorilla glass or something similar?).
Lastly, I'm not sure the battery life is a plus (maybe it is compared to the HTC?), as several sites list it as only average or even below average.

eknutson said:
For the negatives: I've heard mixed reviews on the 'cheap feel,' some say it's not that bad, and even feels pretty good. There is an LED flash on the back, and I still have an unlimited plan.
For the positives: You didn't mention the expandable storage that the focus has, which for me is a huge plus. I've also seen a video with a Samsung exec jabbing his pen into the screen showing that it wont scratch (gorilla glass or something similar?).
Lastly, I'm not sure the battery life is a plus (maybe it is compared to the HTC?), as several sites list it as only average or even below average.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanx for the clarification i must have missed the flash on the back
battery life on super amoled is awesome compared to lcd's, that is till you go to an app that has a white background (email, web, facebook, twitter) so i guess thats something i have to keep in mind...
if i could somehow get unlimited data it would be a wrap

Just read through the thread and having owned a HD7 for a week now i'll give you some pointers:
Pro's
- The Screen is superb. It's huge, bright (brightness on high, not auto) and colours are vibrant. I've had the desire with it's AMOLED screen and can say the difference is minimal, plus when you've got them next to each other the HD7's sheer screen size outways the miniscule (even unnoticable) difference in quality. It is not the same screen as used in the HD2.
- The Build quality is brilliant. No creaks or bends, and the kickstand is firm and sturdy.
- The screen is the most responsive i've ever used. It's fantastic and imo (dare i say it?) better than that apple one. It responds instantly to your touch and scrolling through menus/webpages/etc is flawless. The pinch to zoom is incredibly impressive compared to others too.
- The camera is brilliant. It's crisp, the LED's are rediculously bright, and it takes pictures really quickly. I've been taking about 5 or 6 pictures per 10 seconds which is good if you're like me and take loads then pick the best one.
Cons
- The Battery life on my particular HD7 is dreadful, i get a day and a half at the most with what I would say is average usage. I have to charge it every night which i'm not too fussed about but if that bothers otehrs it's definately something to consider.
- The autofocus on the camera during video recording can be hit and miss. Sometimes it out-focuses itself, but if you hold it for a second or 2 it sorts itself out, so not a problem for me really.
*EDIT* After a further 2 weeks i can confirm Battery life has stabalised and after a "full day" (7am till 11pm) of use i still have half a battery left.

Can the HD7 take an SD card as currently looking at various win 7 devices

Here is the deal guys, Windows Phone 7 was never supposed to have SD card support, I think 16 gigs is more than enough, but anyways. Every time you change the Omni in the focus, you have to reformat I believe your device, so keep that in my mind.
Why MS didn't put SD support is beyond me, but what Samsung did is just use that as expendable memory, it sort of creates 1 partition, if I am understanding it correctly
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

TheGTeam said:
Can the HD7 take an SD card as currently looking at various win 7 devices
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
there is a long thread in the HD7 section about that

Buy a G2 or wait for the mystic Nexus S

So I sold my beloved Nexus One today. It had started to show its age.
I'm trying to decide between a G2 and the unannounced Nexus S.
Why did you opt for a G2 instead of waiting? What would you suggest?
Thanks for your help.

I would definetly go for the solid, metallic feel of the G2 rather than samsung's plasticky offering. And I must say that after having seen a super amoled screen in person that they're not all they're cracked up to be unless oversaturated color is your thing.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.

BUY THE G2!
That nexus crap is a IPHONE ripoff. and samsung ripped off all their customers with the galaxy series. Its just one big SLOW crap plastic. PERIOD!

I feel special having rhcp agree with me lolz...
Note to rhcp: I assume by "nexus crap" you mean the nexus S only right? I was under the impression that the nexus one was a pretty good phone...
Just wanted to add that the G2 has a trackpad which does come in handy quite a lot for me, and don't forget the physical keyboard of course (I don't THINK the nexus S has a physical keyboard, although no one's really sure of course
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.

Yes the nexus S. made by samsung!
The nexus 1 was a great phone and still is. Made by HTC!
+2

I agree. I just love the construction. Though I'm not sure how much of the keyboard I would use, I'd still like the fact that I have one.
So, I might be making my trip to the Bell Store today! How do I get this thing unlocked? Any websites you have in mind?

I got my wife the G2 after I had already purchased the Vibrant for myself. The G2 is a way better phone. While it is true that benchmarks aren't the whole story they are at least a big part of the story. Benchmarks with the G2 are better out of the box. It is just works and works fast. I am about sick and tired flashing various beta themes/roms for the Vibrant just to compensate for a crap file system and a laggy battery sucking phone. Of course I came from the MyTouch which was/is light years behind either phone.
Typical Vibrant user, "ROM x is the best ever all you have to do disable all of your running apps, wipe all of your data including SD cards, and stare at a black screen. The battery life is amazing after that. Yeah I know that I know that my internal SD card is no longer readable but ROM x is sooo fast." Well guess I am one of the those users and I am stuck with it for now. I think the best it ever ran was with the setup in my signature. Still I wish I could talk my wife out the G2 .

sold my vibrant for the g2 done. i would do that on any galaxy s or samsung s phones.

i think galazy s is pretty cool guy, he made of plastic 1ghz and doesnt benchmark anything.

best thing about the g2 is the feel, you really feel like you have 500 dollar piece of equipment in your hand. not some crappy piece of plastic.
i wouldnt hope with samsung either.
imo the only thing the g2 is missing is a tv/hdmi out.

oh god i would love an hdmi out

<--- Had an Epic4G with sprint.
It blows. Advertised having 512MB ram but your only allocated to like 300 so the phone always slowed down for any little app.
Don't get me wrong, the AMOLED screen is gorgeous (yea its over saturated) but it is also a battery killer form my experience (regardless what others say)
The cheap plastic feel the phone had was horrible, the G2 feels 10x more sturdy and its sexy.
Samsung really needs to up their phone cause the galaxy S line is garbage from my experience.

My wife runs the nexus....and me the G2.
I came from the G1.
Go with the G2!!
You won't regret it.....unless your a hopeless iPhownd myself user.....

I still never understood why Google went with Samsung this time around.

ohh come on!
g2 vs samsung nexus s!??
first thing first!
HSPA+ nexus s dont have that. supercar(g2) vs TURTLE! (nexus s) :] lol
METAL against Plastic!
g2 doesnt have front face camera, i had a mytouch 4g which prove that its NOT useful at all!
physical keyboard! ahh samsung only swype.
trackpad ohh damn no trackpad for nexus s!
g2 OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

only thing holding me back from getting a nexus s is the lack of hspa+
i miss amoled screens

sheek360 said:
only thing holding me back from getting a nexus s is the lack of hspa+
i miss amoled screens
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You miss crappy displays? I'm sorry... but for someone with great eyesight, the look of amoled screens is terrible. They have these pixels that are spaced out very strangely giving the screen this pixelated diagonal look.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.

ibemad1 said:
You miss crappy displays? I'm sorry... but for someone with great eyesight, the look of amoled screens is terrible. They have these pixels that are spaced out very strangely giving the screen this pixelated diagonal look.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
its not reflective and the galaxy s vibrant and nexus s super amoleds look great outdoors.
i like how sharp super lcd screens are, but i miss that colorful pop u can only get with amoled
and have u seen nokias varient of the amoled display in person? theyre ****ing amazing
hate all u want bro, and post all the links u want, but i enjoy amoled more than super lcd and thats that.

I am a previous owner of a samsung vibrant, and made the move to the G2 and loving it, best phone I ever had. Get the G2 and don't look back.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk

LOL @ all the fanboys....
The G2 is a great phone. It does everything I need, and its maybe 4x the speed of my old G1. 3D graphics are amazing, I was playing quake 3 with someone else today on my school network and my G2 was constantly going 55-60 frames per second while his DROID was at 20. The keyboard is amazing and the build quality is great, albeit it does come at a price: ITS HEAVY!!!! I alaways notice it in my pocket and its tiresome holing it up for a long call or something. That said, it has the best CPU available on the market and everything is smooth as butter.
The Nexus S on the other hand, will be much lighter and will come with stock android, and I don't think google will let them use their ****ty file system on such a high profile device. It will be lighyears faster than the vibrant. The SAMOLED screens are amazing; it is saturated, that's my only complaint, but the screen on my uncle's vibrant is really good. The colors are great, contrast is great, and have you seen the cool shutdown effect from gingerbread? Guess what, it will only work with SAMOLED displays. Why? Because of the way that the screens display black; it actually turns the pixels off. It will be bleeding edge and I really believe the build quality will be wayyy better than the vibrants. Just look at the design, the curves on the the S just screen sex to me.
Final call? It's you choice. The G2 is amazing and will not let you down, but don't let samsungs past mistakes stop you from considering the nexus S. Both are stock android, so luckily OS isn't a desiding factor. I guess the biggest question is, do you prefer a keyboard or a slim device?
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Surround or Focus

Hey guys... Ive had both the Samsung Focus and the HTC Surround... not sure which i want to keep though... Surround is louder which i like ringtone wise and i like the soft touch back.. I liked the screen, camera and thickness of the focus more though.... Just looking to see what other peoples thoughts were or maybe what your determining factor was...

focus, compare the screen of both phones side by side and you'll clearly see the difference

Compare them side by side using office or email and you'll notice the surround looks better. The surround does better with the lighter colors. Size really isnt a factor because even though the Focus is thinner (less then an 1/8 of an inch) because when you compare all 3 dimensions the Surround is actually smaller. Both are good picks. Just go with your gut and I'm sure you'll be pleased either way.

do you use your phone as a multimedia device or a business device? Thats kinda what it comes to.

Been using a Surround for more than a week now. It feels substantial but not clumsy and has excellent build quality. I thought the Samsung felt cheaper and had a more pixilated screen. Vote for Surround.

The ATT store I went to had the Focus and Surround side by side.. played with both and bought the Focus eventually. The Focus is really very thin and light and you wont even fell it in your pocket. Also even though its basically all plastic it does not feel cheap.

Definitely keep the Focus.

The way that I decided between the two (well, three for me) was to stand at the AT&T display and play around with both. With one in each hand, making the decision was really rather easy for me.
I was really impressed by the Focus. The large, pretty screen made me happy. I bought one.
Honestly, my impression of the Surround was that it was a terrible joke gone awry. It makes absolutely no sense to me, and it boggles my mind that the Surround was ever manufactured, much less brought to retail. Every time I see one, I want to slap Ralph De La Vega for polluting my potential choices with garbage like that instead of bringing over quality equipment.
That being said, lots of folk really seem to thing that the Surround is not a miscarried fetus of design, and as such what you should take away when considering your personal device should be what matters to you. Think about what you do or want to do with your phone on a daily basis, and apply that to the choices you have at hand. I ended up choosing the Focus, but you may decide that something else fits your desires better.

I'd hate to be the one to bump a thread but I too am looking at these two devices. I have always used qwerty phones (I have the Tilt 2 now) and HTC. However now AT&T only has the LG to choose from for a kb and its screen is small, quality is nominal compared to the other two and the kb feels horrible to the touch (and cheap).
Now I am trying to figure out which of these two phones (Focus/Surround) I want.
Focus: I like the focus for its larger screen, lighter weight and the fact that is has 1gb internal sys mem (sys mem, not storage mem). However all of the store displays of all AT&T stores I went to have a slight image burned onto the screen. They told me the screens are on 24/7 but still...the other phones don't have that. Also it lacks 50% of the space since it doesn't have the 8GB card in it.
HTC Surround: I like the brightness a little more on this screen, plus the HTC software (ie, youtube). The sound is a better obviously and it has the extra 8GB card. The screen is a little smaller though, it has way less sys mem (not storage mem), and less talk time (battery life)...at least based on specs.
I need good images, accurate keyboard for a touch kb, use it for business and space....well I have a 8GB SanDisk so I'm sure it would work in the Focus so space isn't much a concern. Battery life is important as I use my phone a lot. Also important is speed....the HTC has 1/2 the sys mem pretty much as the Focus does...yet I haven't heard anyone make any comments about this yet.
PS: Oh! and I can get the HTC Surround for 1 penny but the Focus is $99.....so that also obviously adds a little imbalance.

jh20001 said:
I'd hate to be the one to bump a thread but I too am looking at these two devices. I have always used qwerty phones (I have the Tilt 2 now) and HTC. However now AT&T only has the LG to choose from for a kb and its screen is small, quality is nominal compared to the other two and the kb feels horrible to the touch (and cheap).
Now I am trying to figure out which of these two phones (Focus/Surround) I want.
Focus: I like the focus for its larger screen, lighter weight and the fact that is has 1gb internal sys mem (sys mem, not storage mem). However all of the store displays of all AT&T stores I went to have a slight image burned onto the screen. They told me the screens are on 24/7 but still...the other phones don't have that. Also it lacks 50% of the space since it doesn't have the 8GB card in it.
HTC Surround: I like the brightness a little more on this screen, plus the HTC software (ie, youtube). The sound is a better obviously and it has the extra 8GB card. The screen is a little smaller though, it has way less sys mem (not storage mem), and less talk time (battery life)...at least based on specs.
I need good images, accurate keyboard for a touch kb, use it for business and space....well I have a 8GB SanDisk so I'm sure it would work in the Focus so space isn't much a concern. Battery life is important as I use my phone a lot. Also important is speed....the HTC has 1/2 the sys mem pretty much as the Focus does...yet I haven't heard anyone make any comments about this yet.
PS: Oh! and I can get the HTC Surround for 1 penny but the Focus is $99.....so that also obviously adds a little imbalance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Speed is never mentioned because its not that big of an issue. Windows Phone 7 was designed specifically for these devices and as such, has a minimum system requirement, and because of that, they both work very well on any of the devices on the market currently. The extra memory doesn't make much of impact on performance.
To be honest, aside from the SAMOLED screen, the Focus looks boring and feels cheap. Also, Samsung's track record for supporting their own devices has been subpar at most, for this reason alone I steer away from Samsung devices unless its a Samsung TV.
The Surround doesn't win any design awards, but I do think it looks better than the Focus and doesn't feel cheap. The speaker, while not really useful, is great for pumping out music and video (which is good since WP7 is a media-centered device). Not to mention the awesome support that HTC devices get from HTC, from software to updates, HTC has a much better track record than Samsung.
And when it comes to smartphone battery life, I think its safe to say you're not going to get great battery life period. You are gonna have to plug in your phone at least once a day, and anyone expecting it to last any more than that will be in for a surprise. So I usually ignore battery life when looking at phones (unless the battery life is really dismal).
Obviously they both have their ups and downs and its up to you to decide whats most important to you. The screen burn-in issue on the Focus is one I've heard before, so that actually would bother me quite a bit. I haven't heard any issues with the Surround really.

I just hope if I were to choose HTC, if it will last with good use until the end of the day. I am perfectly fine with charging my phone ever night. It's just when I have to charge it i the middle of the day and wonder if I even have a charger near me that bothers me. My tilt 2 has even had this issue (although usually it does ok).

can't speak much for the surround but i have a HTC 7 Trophy and it lasts through the day. however, i use mine for radio for like 6 hours of the day and by about 7pm it's dead, so i charge it at work. but still, that is using the radio for 6 hours...

which one is having trouble getting updated? get the other one.

nrfitchett4 said:
which one is having trouble getting updated? get the other one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol, this has been another factor in choosing. It's the Samsung Focus that has been having troubles. That alone has put a lot of favor towards the surround for me and installs a lot of negative assumption in Samsung's build quality.

jh20001 said:
lol, this has been another factor in choosing. It's the Samsung Focus that has been having troubles. That alone has put a lot of favor towards the surround for me and installs a lot of negative assumption in Samsung's build quality.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why don't we wait and see how a real update is handled. If NODO comes out at the same time for both devices (even if it was delayed because of the Samsung), it really doesn't matter, because both received the update at the same time.
Weighing in on the question at hand. The Focus takes some of the best pictures of any smartphone on market today. If that is important to you, then that is reason enough to get the focus.
The Focus has a very nice screen, with gorilla glass. The battery life is top notch. The external speaker isn't bad. Fast NAND memory that may likely be more reliable.
The Samsung simply has higher quality components, even though the two devices share many of the same components.
Now, I do have the Focus, but when buying a WP7 device I wasn't bound to any single carrier, so I was able to research out all the devices thoroughly, and the Focus is the one I went with.

Well I do know that I thank all for their feedback. I have decided to order the HTC Surround. There has been good reasons for both sides to get either phone but the more I read online, the more I see people complaining about the screen burn-in issue as well as upgrading windows and the history of Samsung's own efforts to update their products.
Once I have the Surround I will share my own feedback to help contribute to the pot of knowledge.

Get the Focus. Its faster, has better specs, better battery life, better screen, etc.
Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express

I have a Captivate at the moment but am considering a Focus, no other phone is even in the running. I have been spoiled by the Samsung screen.....nothing else will do. I've looked at the surround but it just can't compare.

jh20001 said:
more I read online, the more I see people complaining about the screen burn-in issue as well as upgrading windows and the history of Samsung's own efforts to update their products.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I really think this is going to end up like the whole plasma screen burn in issue - something we will hear about for years to come that is more of an issue in word than in reality. Regardless I hope that the Surround works out for you.

As a Surround user, I can say that the battery life is terrible. I love the phone although with moderate usage I still end up having to charge it around 5 PM if I plan on going anywhere that evening. Or if I make any long phone calls.

[Q] Incredible questions asap

I need some help please. I might buy this tonight. Just have couple questions. Please forgive the rush or if answers are elsewhere.
1: how does the incredible screen compare to fascinate and droid x? It has 3.7" 800x480 and droid x and fascinate bigger but same res.
Can I get swype for the incredible and how?
Can I get a stylus for incredible local in Seattle WA or online? I prefer stylus with swype.
How is smoothness of os?
Do the button on bottom light up good and be better then fascinate? Fascinate only lights up after you touch. That's stupid. I need to see them in dark rooms.
How hard to have roms? Don't wanna brick. Might like to try roms.
How is browser text reflow and smoothness of it and zooming?
Was thinking of getting it now on 1 year contract then upgrade.
I tried the fascinate but took it back the next day. Hated how the button lights only lit up after you touch them and they wouldn't stay lit long.
Was hoping for bit better text quality like reading the web. I have iPod touch 2nd gen and screen sucks compared to new stuff.
Thanks

Well... the Incredible is a badass phone, and all the things you're looking for are some of the greatest features of the phone. There are a plethora of custom ROMs available, most of which are stable and currently supported. Incredible had the first from-source Gingerbread ROM, and now sports at least 3 stable Gingerbread ROMs... As for a stylus, you might find luck with a Capacitive Stylus from HTC, and you can install Swype, but there are many other excellent keyboard options available that I personally prefer over any sort of Swype technology. It has WiFi Tethering, very fast browser, and Flash video built in.
All that being said, if you already have a decent phone and aren't in a big hurry to get a new phone, you might want to wait until the HTC Thunderbolt is released, as it is the Incredible's big brother - and identical to the Evo in MOST features.

buggs1a said:
I need some help please. I might buy this tonight. Just have couple questions. Please forgive the rush or if answers are elsewhere.
1: how does the incredible screen compare to fascinate and droid x? It has 3.7" 800x480 and droid x and fascinate bigger but same res.
I love it. I think those screens are a little to big. The phone is compact and the screen is big enough
Can I get swype for the incredible and how?
Can I get a stylus for incredible local in Seattle WA or online? I prefer stylus with swype.
How is smoothness of os?
Has one of the fastest processors out there...smooth as it gets compared to other phones out now.
Do the button on bottom light up good and be better then fascinate? Fascinate only lights up after you touch. That's stupid. I need to see them in dark rooms.
Yes works perfectly
How hard to have roms? Don't wanna brick. Might like to try roms.
No it's easy
How is browser text reflow and smoothness of it and zooming?
As smooth as it gets on Android
Was thinking of getting it now on 1 year contract then upgrade.
I tried the fascinate but took it back the next day. Hated how the button lights only lit up after you touch them and they wouldn't stay lit long.
Was hoping for bit better text quality like reading the web. I have iPod touch 2nd gen and screen sucks compared to new stuff.
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Answers in red

Thanks guys.
How does the bottom 4 button lights work?
How is the screen quality for text? Reading the web and stuff. I'm just curious because it's important to me. The size is smaller then I prefer but it's not bad considering I can get it for cheap with the 1 year contract and my business discount.
The thunderbolt seems cool. Just upset that they kept the same dang resolution. To me that's pathetic and unacceptable. Ticks me off lol. I want 1024x768 or whatever on a 4" or bigger. Meaning wish list. iPhone screen is amazing and would love something like that. I would like it bright too.
Umm. How would a rom be put on it? Is it simple like just install and it does everything?
I am just nervous because of thunderbolt coming and it's screen etc. I'm thinking of cost and myself being so impatient. I have no phone now. Took fascinate back next day after I bought it and canceled my line. Only had it the one day.
Where are some pics of roms?
I thank you all very much.

Hi,
Some questions I can help with; others, not so much.
I converted to the Incredible from BlackBerry a couple of weeks ago, and one aspect of the learning curve has been getting accustomed to the text size. I notice it mostly on the browser. The screen zoom is a huge plus for me.
I've tried Swipe (beta), but without a stylus. It worked pretty darn good--and I liked its accuracy, as well. It just stopped working one day, though; don't know why.
Pictures of ROMs... The ROMs aren't hardware; they are firmware. Do you mean screenshots of the different ROMs? Those are available by doing a search, here or elsewhere.
Good luck with your purchase, and please post back here with your choice.
Cheers!
Sent from my HTC Incredible using XDA App

Screenshots yeah.
I had the Touch pro 2 and loved swype. I wrote more just to use it. Stylus makes it easier cus I could see the letters better.
How clear is the text and how do the lights work on the buttons? I'm curious of how good thunderbolt screen will be. Same res.

Lights on the buttons are based on room lighting. If the room is bright, the buttons are off. If room is dark, the buttons are lit whenever the screen is lit. The buttons are very bright. I actually wished they had a brightness setting so I could turn them down, that's how bright they are.
If you're getting a new phone, as long as it's not new old stock, I think it should have the SLCD screen which is very crisp and sharp. Most people prefer the AMOLED for some reason, but I prefer the SLCD by far. The AMOLED screen looks grainy, like it has a worse dot pitch than the SLCD. Ever heard of the term "screen door effect" to describe a video screen with too much gap between the pixels? That's how the AMOLED looks to me. The colors are very vibrant, but TOO vibrant, very over-saturated and fake looking. The SLCD, in comparison, is very crisp and smooth, text is much crisper and sharper. Colors look much more natural. You can tell the AMOLED from SLCD by going to Settings -> About Phone -> Hardware Information. Look for Hardware Version. 0002 = AMOLED, 0003 = SLCD.

Thanks so much.
I went today a few hrs ago and got the incredible. 14 day return window so I may exchange it for the thunderbolt. I got a clear screen protector and case. Not antiglare as that makes it look like I'm looking through a screen. So I prefer clear.
Got it for around $160 or so and a $50 mail in rebate on top of that bringing it to about $120-$140 total for the phone and 1 year contract.
Hardware says 0003.
Screen is Very nice. Crisp. Smooth ui. Nice lighting on the capacitive buttons. Don't like the htc keyboard though. Need swype. How do I do that? Box says it has 2gb sd card preinstalled. I thought it had 8gb storage?
Hmm. Once I get swype and if I like it I'll be able to get a stylus verizon sells for the iPad. Capacitive stylus is all it is. Awesome cus it's available in the store. I didn't get it cus I want to get swype on here first.

buggs1a said:
Thanks so much.
I went today a few hrs ago and got the incredible. 14 day return window so I may exchange it for the thunderbolt. I got a clear screen protector and case. Not antiglare as that makes it look like I'm looking through a screen. So I prefer clear.
Got it for around $160 or so and a $50 mail in rebate on top of that bringing it to about $120-$140 total for the phone and 1 year contract.
Hardware says 0003.
Screen is Very nice. Crisp. Smooth ui. Nice lighting on the capacitive buttons. Don't like the htc keyboard though. Need swype. How do I do that? Box says it has 2gb sd card preinstalled. I thought it had 8gb storage?
Hmm. Once I get swype and if I like it I'll be able to get a stylus verizon sells for the iPad. Capacitive stylus is all it is. Awesome cus it's available in the store. I didn't get it cus I want to get swype on here first.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
to get swype go here http://beta.swype.com/ and I think that it is still open but I'm not sure... then when you get the email dl the installer and install swype... remember to go to keyboards and select swype as an input method but I think the installer does it for you automatic...
the 003 is a SLCD which looks great but the amoled original has deeper contrast...
honestly the galaxy s screen is the best screen in verizons line up but the samsung ui isn't as polished as HTC sense... enjoy your incredible

It should also be mentioned that the Amoled screen also suffers from burn in. I have had mine less than 6 months and the notification bar clock and the buttons for Google Listen show plainly on any white screen .Even with insurance (best buy) there is a $150 deductible and the loaner is a pos flip phone.
Also keep metal filings, rust, fine steal wool and the like away from the rear speaker. Magnetic/ferrous stuff can get in there and will make it sound like it is blown.
One other thing, If you are going to get a case I have to recommend the 3 layer armor case from Seidio. Normally I swear by OtterBox but they pushed the Inc aside for the Iphone. The reviews for the armored OtterBox have mentioned a loose fit and such. I have no such issues with the Seidio. I went with the armored 3 layer one w/belt clip and have been very satisfied. I cried when I dropped my first Dinc without a case.
You also might want to think about a spare battery and a charger for it. Bright screens and 1ghz cpus eat 1300mAh batterys for brunch. At least that is when mine dies, I wake 5am so about 5-6 hours full use,streaming wifi audio out of speaker with gps going, and widgets all over the place. I got the 1750 that fits with the same stock back so I can still use standard cases.
All and all. I Love this phone.

Yikes! I had no idea AMOLED suffers burn-in. It makes complete sense though, it just never occurred to me before. I searched Google and found many people reported it.
Yes, the Incredible comes with a 2GB SD card, but it does have 8GB of storage too. So altogether you have 10GB.

Just don't leave the screen on for over a 8 hour period, otherwise you should be fine
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

I like my droid incredible. Got it yesterday. Got stylus for using it with swype today. I can't even imagine how awesome it'd be with a much higher res.
I got the phone for $130 about for 1 year cost. After $50 rebate of course. Actually it cost me $169 with 1 year cost. Then $120 after the rebate. So this should be fine for a year and hopefully HTC will release a 4.3" screen with big resolution.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

Hmmmmmmmmm

First Impressions.

Surprise no one did a first impressions thread yet lol.
In here we give our first impressions of the phone so far like your opinion on the performance, screen, sound, camera, build quality, battery life etc.
First I'll like to say that the build quality is amazing. Coming from an epic 4G, I am not sure if my words have any strength but it just feels so nice. It looks very sexy as well. I can't stop staring at it lol.
This is the best screen I have ever seen. It is so sharp and detail in a way I would have never expected. I personally liked the over saturated colors on Samsung's amoled screens but this screen made me feel as if it was too cartoony looking now.
As for performance, I feel like reviewers gave me false expectations. Don't get me wrong, this is a super fast phone but people made it seemed like there would be no lag at all but I notice occasionally hiccups. Note that this is a minor complaint because for most of the time, this is a very smooth experience. The quadcore processor makes this phone a beast!
Battery life has surpassed my expectations. The standby time is great for me. I can use this phone heavily, stop using it and barely experience a drain. Eco mode helps and it charges fast as well.
I came from an Epic 4G so even the cons of the phone is a pro for me since everything is an upgrade. I have nothing but praise for this phone.

latindor17 said:
Surprise no one did a first impressions thread yet lol.
In here we give our first impressions of the phone so far like your opinion on the performance, screen, sound, camera, build quality, battery life etc.
First I'll like to say that the build quality is amazing. Coming from an epic 4G, I am not sure if my words have any strength but it just feels so nice. It looks very sexy as well. I can't stop staring at it lol.
This is the best screen I have ever seen. It is so sharp and detail in a way I would have never expected. I personally liked the over saturated colors on Samsung's amoled screens but this screen made me feel as if it was too cartoony looking now.
As for performance, I feel like reviewers gave me false expectations. Don't get me wrong, this is a super fast phone but people made it seemed like there would be no lag at all but I notice occasionally hiccups. Note that this is a minor complaint because for most of the time, this is a very smooth experience. The quadcore processor makes this phone a beast!
Battery life has surpassed my expectations. The standby time is great for me. I can use this phone heavily, stop using it and barely experience a drain. Eco mode helps and it charges fast as well.
I came from an Epic 4G so even the cons of the phone is a pro for me since everything is an upgrade. I have nothing but praise for this phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with your statements. I also do notice small occasional hiccups which are most likely software related. Hopefully LG will address this in a future update or Jelly Bean release.
Camera is pretty much the only complaint I have about the phone. It's really disappointing. Another software issue that I hope LG will fix in the future.

I just played with one 10 minutes ago at the Sprint store and walked away thoroughly impressed. Loved the sleekness and the feel of the phone. Screen was amazing and the camera was awesome. The speed of the phone was blazing fast. Loved the phone. Looking forward to possibly owning one in the near future.
Beamed From My CM10 GS3

This is definitely one of the best phones available I love everything only things that could be better would be jb, aokp or cm10
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda premium

I see little bugs in lgs software sometimes but overall not issues whatsoever. My experience has been in line with everyone else as far as battery it just overheats too much. Im cool with keeping brightness at 31 but i shouldn't have to. I'm sure its the beasty processor i live with it but im hoping for an amazing jellybean ota update. Fingers crossed. .....
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda app-developers app

genaro12543 said:
I see little bugs in lgs software sometimes but overall not issues whatsoever. My experience has been in line with everyone else as far as battery it just overheats too much. Im cool with keeping brightness at 31 but i shouldn't have to. I'm sure its the beasty processor i live with it but im hoping for an amazing jellybean ota update. Fingers crossed. .....
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am seeing small bugs here and there as well. Like the home screen animations "skips" sometimes when swiping through the screens.
Or the Music player list scrolling is pretty smooth and as soon as you play a song, it becomes choppy. What's up LG? A quad-core CPU can't handle playing music and scrolling through a list?
The Korean version is expected to get Jelly Bean next month so hopefully LG and Sprint and get their stuff together and give us the update quick.

I'm coming from the SGSII (ET4G). Off the back, the build quality of this phone is amazing. The phone is beautiful and it feels great in hands. Not that I ever really had any complaints about samsung but wow, now i REALLY feel the difference. Because of sleekness though I am alot more paranoid about dropping this phone. Going to order a case today for it. The display is also great. Although its taking some time to get used to (as far as colors). Performance wise, the phone is much faster than my rooted sgs2. I have noticed a hiccup here and there but its not enough to complain about. After getting official ICS on the SGS2, there were days I just wanted to throw that phone because all the ICS builds were so buggy and battery life was horrendous. So comparing to that, ICS on the LG is great and battery is far better than what I had so it's good for me. Camera wise, I am still playing with it. The photos are okay but not great. Although, has anyone tried the video camera? As far as video is concerned I am very pleased with what I am seeing. All this phone needs is some Jelly.

I'm getting a terrible batter life on mine...down to about 5% by the end of the day. I looked in the battery info and it says Android OS is at 66% for battery use. Anyone have any idea why?

sarspants said:
I'm getting a terrible batter life on mine...down to about 5% by the end of the day. I looked in the battery info and it says Android OS is at 66% for battery use. Anyone have any idea why?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I get high android os usage also... averaging 8 ish hours
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda premium

Android usage is also top battery drainer for me but supposedly this display is supposed to be pretty low power? The display on my 3D absolutely destroyed battery but I'm getting a lot longer out of this phone.
My opinions pretty much reflect everyone else's. This phone is simply amazing in every way. Huge props to LG on this thing. Sleek and professional design with superb build quality, matched with a high quality screen and a fairly loud speaker. Performance is always snappy, there are very minor stutters every once in a while but such is android. 95 percent of the time it is extremely fluid though. And I actually like LG's UI and the ease of quick memo, much better than Sense.
One thing I'd like to add that I don't think I've heard anyone say yet is that the audio quality is simply amazing. Sounds SO much clearer and natural compared to my Evo (using headphones obviously).
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda premium

I got mine Thursday on my lunch break. That particular one had a problem where I could hear myself in the phone. Not an echo like you get from time to time, but almost like it was going physically through the case of the phone. 24 hours later took it back and exchanged it. The one in the store DID NOT do this and neither does the exchanged one.
Coming from a S2 Epic 4g Touch, which feel off my kitchen table and busted the screen and having to go back to my Evo, this thing flies. I absolutly love the speed. I have not fully tested out what I need it to do, but so far, I have no complaints on the performance.
The things I do dislike. No swappable battery, but this seems to be going the way of the dodo bird anyway. Hopefully the battery consumption is, as great, as they say it is. I was also dissapointed in no SD card and the ringer is crazy quiet, especially when you lay it down with the speaker down. I have never had a phone be this quiet before and the speaker was on the back as well.

Great upgrade but...
I had the HTC EVO 3D last which eventually died on me. Two strips on the phone became unresponsive (had to use predictive texting all the time m ><) and the back camera failed so every time I switched the camera it would just flip the image.
LG Optimus G
PROS
Gorgeous screen
Incredibly fast
Lots of memory space
Light weight
Thin
Beautiful construction
High res camera
Nice software usability
Amazing contact profiles
Great social integration
CONS
Searching contacts takes a long time (it searches every field)
Large white space at the keypad which SHOULD contain most recent contacts
Most recent contacts is in the history tab, a second action to dial
Clicking a user after searching their name in the keypad pastes their phone number instead of auto dials
The home widget screens sometimes lag horribly and visibly refreshes each icon
Camera has a yellow tint
Camera has a blue tint with flash
Poor reception in Atlanta?
Folders can only contain so many icons
Cannot choose picture associated with user

im10er said:
[*]Poor reception in Atlanta?
[/LIST]
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're in Atlanta, too? I've noticed, at least in my area, the only places I get 4G is when I'm in my car, on the road. Have only had the phone for a week, though, with not much traveling (just to and from work, and some shops in Edgewood and Ponce area).
My overall impression with this phone, coming from an EVO 4G, is that this thing is simply beautiful. The phone I originally purchased had color-banding issues as well as a slight backlight bleed on the top of the display (viewing a photo in fullscreen from the gallery app, without zooming, shows this bleed, I've noticed), so I took it back for a replacement. The replacement had an even worse backlight bleed in the same place. With some complaining and nagging at the store, I managed to get a second replacement which still has the backlight bleed and color-banding issue. I have since discovered that this is a manufacturing defect that exists on all Optimus G's, which is unfortunate, but I'm learning to live with it. The backlight bleed is easy to ignore, but the color-banding is very noticeable. A simple swipe down of the notifications panel will show the quick settings bar, which has a striped/banned effect on the gradient. Comparing this device's screen to others (SGSIII and iPhone 5) shows that this display is unique in this regard. Such a shame, considering all the great things about this phone.
Also, while the camera isn't flawless, it certainly isn't always trounced by Camera Zoom FX - For example, the other day I was in the coffee shop and took some sample shots with the stock camera that were too dark. Switching to Camera Zoom FX produced an over-exposed picture that wouldn't change exposure, despite metering in different areas of the viewfinder. This left me very confused. Hopefully the stock camera will be fixed (more or less) in the Jellybean Update due this December. I won't root until I get it. Haha

This phone is sex. The camera, although not always top notch, turns out good, detailed photos with very natural tones. I adore this display. I like Samsung's super amoled, so I didn't quite know what to expect, yet this display has stunned me with a warm variety of natural colors.
I personally love the stock keyboard. I had bought swiftkey on my Nexus S and assumed I would need it for this phone as well, but I have been impressed with the stock keyboard to a tremendous extent.
Now, a complaint I do have is regarding the temperature of this processing beast. It tends to run hot. Which sometimes prevents me from putting the screen at 100% brightness. I was a bit shocked, but it seems a small price to pay for a quad core processor and a huge screen.
This is a very nice phone. Love it.
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda app-developers app

im10er said:
I had the HTC EVO 3D last which eventually died on me. Two strips on the phone became unresponsive (had to use predictive texting all the time m ><) and the back camera failed so every time I switched the camera it would just flip the image.
LG Optimus G
PROS
Gorgeous screen
Incredibly fast
Lots of memory space
Light weight
Thin
Beautiful construction
High res camera
Nice software usability
Amazing contact profiles
Great social integration
CONS
Searching contacts takes a long time (it searches every field)
Large white space at the keypad which SHOULD contain most recent contacts
Most recent contacts is in the history tab, a second action to dial
Clicking a user after searching their name in the keypad pastes their phone number instead of auto dials
The home widget screens sometimes lag horribly and visibly refreshes each icon
Camera has a yellow tint
Camera has a blue tint with flash
Poor reception in Atlanta?
Folders can only contain so many icons
Cannot choose picture associated with user
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try contact sync from play store. You can use contacts fb pic as contact pic.. If I'm not mistaken ever since 4.0 Facebook stopped allowing to sync FB contacts to mobile contacts
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda premium

this phone is pretty g
so i have been waiting to get an upgrade since march... i was on a blackberry 8530 and it was falling apart. through the months i managed to bypass the evo lte for the gsIII, then to be later completely let down by that device. i guess it came down to value, i couldnt see myself spending 200 bucks for either of these phones so i continued to wait. come october i hear the specs for the OG and it seemed like it was going to be the phone that the gsIII should have been. quad core, 13 mp shooter, and 2 gb ram... epic. I knew the phone was going to come out for 200, compared to the evo lte for about 100 and the sg3III for about 150 regular price. Expecting for there to be deals on these phones, I was still debating on making the purchase for 200 and not too just wait for a price drop. When I saw the preorder price of 150 I got pretty damn excited. heres a phone that just came out for the same price as the sgIII, with better specs. Well I ended up having to wait a little longer for a discover card that I had just been approved for. Come last week I see the best buy price... $100, no freaking way. I got my card walked in the best buy with confidence at made my purchase, actually got one for my dad too. So yeah anyways after one week I have come to some of the same conclusions as the rest of you guys.
Build quality/screen: The phone looks and feels fantastic. This screen is great, I put a couple hd .mkv's and they run so smooth and look so good. I can even play them as a text!
The OS: ICS seems to run with few hiccups, and LG's skin is pleasing. But yeah everything is so smooth and accessible. Apps load so quick. I dont know how much of this is just because its my first android phone or the phone itself. I notice some of you all noticed the stutter when swiping through the home screen menus. I got this alot, especially when exiting apps or switching to landscape mode. I think I found a semi-solution by switching the scroll effect to carousel. It seems much more smooth to play with. I have also noticed the lag when scrolling through longer menus, like in the music app while scrolling through songs. I have a hard time believing this is not a software issue, the cpu and ram on this phone should run those things like butter. Also i think this is a glitch ive experienced like 3 times. I'll be sending a text, usually a long one, and suddenly the delete key gets stuck or something. I cant do anything except sit there and watch my message get deleted. Its super frustrating. It seems to stick even after, backspacing any new character I type. I think I have to exit out and return to the message for it to actually stop.
The battery: I dont know if I'm satisfied. I haven't tried it standby with music for very long, but it seems to drop pretty quick on with normal use. Ive been playing around with leaving wifi off, or on with the data, and either way it still seems pretty draining. Im not even at full brightness. Im really worried how long this thing will last watching movies or playing games. Android is at 44% right now. Also its a shame it isn't removable.
Temp: The phone can get pretty hot also. There is actually a spot, on or right under the logo on the back that actually can get intolerable at times. Maybe it only happens when using the phone while charging, but it was still surprising. The rest of the phone stays pretty cool
The camera: From what I've taken, I'm pretty happy. I like the "cheese shutter" feature for taking self portraits with the main camera. It is weak in low light, but isnt every phone camers? One issue that exists is the flash and the actual taking of the photo seem out of sync. I can't tell if its just me, but I get fulled when the actual photo is snapped, especially when the screen shows a photo right before the flash. I'm sure this could be solved with future updates.
The RAM: Yeah there are two gigs, but I seem to always have around one being used. Even with all tasks stopped, I can't get it under ~960mb in use. It was actually around 1.07gb until I did a restart. I dont know if this is all being sucked up by ICS, but should I be worried?
Storage: Im really upset over the absence of microsd slot, but I knew about that before I made my purchase. I mean 32gb built in is quite a bit more than what comes standard in other phones. I have no idea how people survive with an 8gb iphone, to me with some high quality music and bigger apps, that memory will vanish. I have noticed, though, on the stock file manager, the main directory is "/mnt/sdcard". This is pretty suspicious. I'm wondering if there actually is a card slot, but we just can't access it? Has anyone opened her up to see?
Overall: I love it, and at $100 I can't complain. I am looking forward to the Jelly Bean update or to possibly rooting the device to run a custom rom. Either way great phone!
PS. This is my first post. I wouldnt have registered if I didnt have so much to say.

Mrichelo said:
I managed to get a second replacement which still has the backlight bleed and color-banding issue. I have since discovered that this is a manufacturing defect that exists on all Optimus G's, which is unfortunate, but I'm learning to live with it. The backlight bleed is easy to ignore, but the color-banding is very noticeable. A simple swipe down of the notifications panel will show the quick settings bar, which has a striped/banned effect on the gradient. Comparing this device's screen to others (SGSIII and iPhone 5) shows that this display is unique in this regard. Such a shame, considering all the great things about this phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hate it when people say what I'm about to say, but I'm saying it - I have none of these problems. There is no gradient on my quick settings bar. It's solid gray with no banding anywhere. With photos, I've got several with totally black or dark edges around the entire frame and I see no light bleed. My wife has the same phone and doesn't have these issues, either. Not trying to diminish your problem because it's obviously a problem. Only reason I'm saying it is that I haven't read anywhere that these are manufacturing defects.

@mosesjohn, That was a nice post, enjoyed reading through it. About the ram thing, I experience the same thing and I find it quite odd. When I had my Epic 4G using Jellybean, over half of my 512GB of ram was being use so to find that this phone is using half 2GB shocked me. I assumed that android just reserves a certain percentage of ram kinda like all OS reserves memory in a HDD/SSD. Either that of LG's UI is taking up a lot of resources.

Kchitown1977 said:
Try contact sync from play store. You can use contacts fb pic as contact pic.. If I'm not mistaken ever since 4.0 Facebook stopped allowing to sync FB contacts to mobile contacts
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can merge/join contacts if you log into LG Social+. I'm able to get FB photos for contacts (as well as their social statuses). Though, I wish the auto-suggest worked better. Took me a while to get all my contacts linked right.

latindor17 said:
@mosesjohn, That was a nice post, enjoyed reading through it. About the ram thing, I experience the same thing and I find it quite odd. When I had my Epic 4G using Jellybean, over half of my 512GB of ram was being use so to find that this phone is using half 2GB shocked me. I assumed that android just reserves a certain percentage of ram kinda like all OS reserves memory in a HDD/SSD. Either that of LG's UI is taking up a lot of resources.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks!
about the ram... it helps knowing im not alone. it might just be that ICS likes to utilize whatever it can, without taking up more than half of the ram. I mean its going to be really hard to use 1 gb of ram with apps/games, and if ICS runs smoother because it uses the rest, fine by me. I just hope its as efficient as possible, without sacrificing performance.