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Just curious as to how difficult it would be or if its even possible/worth it to try at all? I know there are themes but I thought I'd ask anyways and I think it would be bad ass
First off, yes. But it's not that simple.
It's definitely possible, as the Sense UI has been ported a couple of times. The only issue is, you need a dev to do it. And to be honest, nobody shows much interest in the TouchWiz UI, Its just a bad android skin. Probably because of the HUGE list of bugs in the UI and the removal of Google Search in favor of Bing, and other random adjustments. Maybe one or two .apks will be ported, but i just don't see any reason to port TouchWiz other than to screw around. And even if, i would hope it would be a rom from The Epic, Captivate, or Vibrant. The fascinate's software simply blows.
And if it does happen, I will be suprised. It wont be easy, as The Fascinate has very different Hardware than the Incredible.
Try out Touch of Photons 2.2. Its over on alldroid's forum under dinc device stuff. It wont let me post the link here since I'm new. I used it for awhile and everything seems to work. Its not a fascinate port. Just a rom that gives a similar feel. The only thing i know that wont work is the Samsung widget option, but other than that its nice. All your camera stuff will still work since rosie is still in it.
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I do believe there is a YouTube video if u wanted to check that out too.
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clabbin said:
Just curious as to how difficult it would be or if its even possible/worth it to try at all?
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not worth anyone's time to port a 2.1 ROM. When the Fascinate is updated to Froyo then that might change, but as others said the interest in the TouchWiz UI is pretty low
I was just curious if anyone had started development on a GB ROM with Sense baked in? I am trying out OMGB right now, and am LOVING the speed increases, but I am also missing Sense like it were my first born child.
Thanks in advance.
Judging by how efforts to make a Sense+2.2 build for the Droid Eris have been going (there's no official 2.2 for the Eris), I'd have to say that it's going to be a while if it happens. They're doing a good job, but the progress has been slow.
Unless the differences between 2.2 and 2.3 are much smaller than between 2.1 and 2.2, it'll be virtually impossible until an HTC device releases with 2.3 and Sense. Even then, it'll be a challenge.
Skyraider Ginerbread
Really looking forward when a skyraider gingerbread rom arrives one can only hope X..
Porting Sense itself is pretty much impossible. HTC has all the Sense apks deeply tied into the framework. It'd be rather ridiculous to try and extract everything.
I believe a team tried it, and I'm not sure what happened, but I don't see Sense apks floating around, so I assume they failed.
What they ARE doing now is porting the full ROM. Porting an entire Sense ROM to work on another device is a lot easier.
So, to answer your question, you will not be seeing Sense ported to GB. Instead, you will see a 2.3 Sense ROM in its entirety being ported.
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Really looking forward when a skyraider gingerbread rom arrives one can only hope X..
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That's what I was originally hoping for as well, but I did some searching through his thread, and someone had already asked him about that. He said that he didnt believe the benefits were worth his time at the moment, and that he would rather work on integrating the new Sense into his existing Froyo rom. Personally, I have found GB to be much faster, but that is just me. Also, the built in SIP stack has the potential to be nice, if I planned on staying with this ROM long enough to get me a VOIP account.
Short, simple and to the point.
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Porting Sense itself is pretty much impossible. HTC has all the Sense apks deeply tied into the framework. I'd be rather ridiculous to try and extract everything.
I believe a team tried it, and I'm not sure what happened, but I don't see Sense apks floating around, so I assume they failed.
What they ARE doing now is porting the full ROM. Porting an entire Sense ROM to work on another device is a lot easier.
So, to answer your question, you will not be seeing Sense ported to GB. Instead, you will see a 2.3 Sense ROM in its entirety being ported.
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I can deal with that. I appreciate your response. I did not realize that was how it currently worked. I thought Sense was able to be ported. Bummer. Hopefully someone can get their hands on the ROM from the new Incredible HD before too long. That would be SWEET!
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Hopefully someone can get their hands on the ROM from the new Incredible HD before too long. That would be SWEET!
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That's assuming that the Incredible HD is going to launch with Gingerbread, which is no sure bet.
Sheesh Fiery, why you gotta go and make sense! I hate when people do that! It kills my mood. I sure hope you are wrong. I intend on getting the Inc HD, but by the time I am eligible (June I think), it should have the update anyway. I wish they would put out some info on that phone already, but I fully intend on playing with it at CES in 2 weeks
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That's assuming that the Incredible HD is going to launch with Gingerbread, which is no sure bet.
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It kind of makes sense though (no pun intended) for it to launch with 2.3. The Nexus S launched with 2.3, and I'm sure that all higher-end devices in 2011 will be trying to launch with 2.3 as well to keep the competition level. That, and 2.3 on VZW's 4G network would (hopefully) help to level the playing field against *faster* networks like T-Mobile's *4G* network. XD
When is the incredible HD supposed to come out anyway? I plan on holding off on a 4g phone for awhile to enjoy my unlimited data but I'm curious.
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When is the incredible HD supposed to come out anyway? I plan on holding off on a 4g phone for awhile to enjoy my unlimited data but I'm curious.
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The only official word we have received is that they would be showing some devices off at CES, and are planning on releasing up to 6 LTE handsets in Q1. They have said they would have a 4g Moto device in February, and there have been some leaked pics of the Mecha/Thunderbolt/DInc HD, HTC Merge, as well as a Samsung 4g device floating around. Some are speculating that with all the leaks, as well as a site put out there by HTC saying basically that they were first in 4G for Sprint, TMobile, and will be again, that they will show off the devices and at least one, likely the DInc HD will be available as soon as the next day. So I guess that is my long way of saying, hopefully Jan 7.
T-Mobile is not 4g no matter how much they want to think they are
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If I recall correctly neither is Verizon LTE or Sprints WiMax. 4G is the second gen LTE and WiMax.
But I want a IncHD so bad. Not even for the not even close to 4g speeds. Seeing as we only just got 3g where I live 2 or 3 years back.
You are both correct, and incorrect. Originally whatever group gets to decide what is the fourth generation said that only the second generations of those technologies were truly 4G, however; now, according to one of the sites I check regularly (I cant remember if it was Gizmodo, TechCrunch,Engadget or all of the above), that group has loosened up a bit and said basically, It is not really 4G, but it kinda is, so we dont care what you call it.
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Here is that article.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/18/itu-capitulates-admits-that-the-term-4g-could-apply-to-lte-w/
What happens if you take the sense apks from a sense rom, put it in a 2.3 rom, sign and flash? force closes? boot loops? ill try it some day but i have stuff to do for now
Any further update on this question? I know that there are a lot of frankenstein roms out there with aspects of Gingerbread thrown in with the Z Sense 2.2 ports, ie. icons, keyboards, je non se quoi. But I'm certain that there must be some further action that has been taken on an actual GB w/ Sense 2.0 rom.
At the very least, someday soon there should be a stock rom update that can be ported (if the DInc doesn't miraculously get it near the same time that the new 4g devices receive it or debut with it)
There has been a lot of dev's trying to get gingerbread and sense to work but no luck yet....HTC hasn't released a cdma phone with gingerbread yet so its hard to do from scratch
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I ordered and received the HTC video out cable for the Incredible and am now wondering how I get the video out function to work on my phone. I'm rooted and running CM 6.1, does the video out function exist for root?
It does, just not on AOSP ROMs (such as CyanogenMod). You'll need a Sense ROM. Hope this helps.
But if I understand correctly, the wiimote via bluetooth connection does not work on any sense roms correct?
Right, as far as I know.
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Well that's just damn cruel!
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So who do I gotta bribe to work on implementing the video out feature from Sense into a CM Rom!?
why are you still on 6.1?
7 is much better! still no video out though.
I'd just like to say, to ALL Rom bakers, PLEASE put TV-Out in your Roms. Please share the code with all other Rom bakers. Cell phones don't last long, and development for this phone will be dead in 2-3 years. We gotta develop the crap out of this thing while we can. We're at a point now, where unlike previous generations, this generation of phones could have use even after they aren't on a plan. So, when you buy that new phone in a few years, you can still use your D-Inc for other things......like TV-Out! Or wifi! OR OR OR......well, You get the idea.
Anyways, my HTC Vouge is absolutely worthless now. Great phone in its day......no use now. Lets not let our D-Inc's suffer that same fate. TV-Out for ALL Roms!
Does any one think we'll see it? I don't think we will.
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If/when the update comes, I'm sure it'll just be sense 1.0. I seriously doubt HTC or Verizon are interested in giving us extra features on a 1.5 year old device, they'd much rather we upgrade.
Not to mention, the leaked GB update was sense 1.0, which I'm assuming would be a decent indication of what we'll see.
it is possible that we could see 2.1 with elements of 3.0 but it is not likely most likely it will be 1.0.
I would be expecting something a lot like a Z rom personally.
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I would be expecting something a lot like a Z rom personally.
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After all the excitement over in the Thunderbolt forum, you had to come see us huh? Ha ha
Very unlikely. The Desire guys over in the UK are getting a dumbed down version of sense 1.0. If we even get Gingersense, we'll get 1.0 most likely.
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Very unlikely. The Desire guys over in the UK are getting a dumbed down version of sense 1.0. If we even get Gingersense, we'll get 1.0 most likely.
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Yeah but the Desire has a lot less storage than the Incredible. That is why they got a "dumbed" down version of sense right? It's still very unlikely though since the Evo didn't get a newer version of sense.
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I don't think we'll get gingerbread, but anyways. I don't think it will have sense 2.1 (if we get an update to sense, that's what we'd get) Mainly because they just aren't gonna bother with that. It's a rather old device, and a lot of the people who bought it are now already or coming up for an upgrade. The problem isn't our phone can't handle it. our phone can handle sense 3.0 well. But don't even think about getting that. The sense 2.1 roms are considered the lower sense roms that perform so well, it would actually probably overall perform better. Hell for an example, they put 2.1 on the wildfire s, go look at it's specs and tell me our phone couldn't run it stock. I'm just saying, we won't get it, even though we easily could.
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I think we'll get gingerbread just not an upgrade to sense. Even though, like you said, our device could easily run it.
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I couldn't care less if it was 1.0 as long as its something Gingy. Gives me something to do. Not to brag but it would be nice if we could atleast get something close to how my Rom is. Or newts 2.1.
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Why would they? Then you have no reason to upgrade your phone. Root you phone and do it yourself, there are plenty of good/stable sense 3.0 GB roms available
I was waiting too thinking it was coming out soon.
Got sick of waiting and rooted, now I know rooting was a damn good choice. Have alot of options.
UnrEVOked.
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Even if we only get Sense 1.0, the kernel from HTC will give the devs something to work with.
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as i said in the last thread, we, will not be seeing GB on the dinc any time soon, the phone was EOL'd in march, and if they give us that then we have no official reason to upgrade. Verizon, as a buisiness, does this to get people to buy newer phones, they tried it with the continuum, however that got froyo thanks to inmuts down in legacy playing around with the fascinate kernal.
i am on buisiness gingersense 3.0, not a very big fan of 3.0, but i LOOOVE the 3.0 lockscreen. (i can turn on the phone and get right to making a quick phonecall or snapping a pic if i need too)
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as i said in the last thread, we, will not be seeing GB on the dinc any time soon
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I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm not saying otherwise, I'm just saying that unless you're on HTC's dev team or have some inside knowledge on Verizon's update schedule, it's all speculation.
I really couldn't care less. I'm fine running roms, and it's nice to change it up every once in a while. My upgrade isn't till June anyway(February with early upgrade)
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I really couldn't care less. I'm fine running roms, and it's nice to change it up every once in a while. My upgrade isn't till June anyway(February with early upgrade)
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It's nice for dev's to work on the official updates rather than leaks/ports, though.
True, although I use the gingersense leak for my roms and it is smooth as butter.
I doubt we see anything more than 1.0, but its not really an issue with all the ports out now. Would be curious to see if a dev can take the update and load 2.1/3.0 items into it though.
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
An interesting change, I'd say...
Care to give those of us to lazy to read this, the readers digest version?
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Care to give those of us to lazy to read this, the readers digest version?
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CM9 will come with root access turned off (from the rom) by default. There is a new option so that you can turn root on be it for
Disabled,
Enabled for ADB only
Enabled for Apps only
Enabled for both.
That's all this really is.
Root is taken out of the builds for security purposes. You can enable root through adb.
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CharlyDigital said:
Root is taken out of the builds for security purposes. You can enable root through adb.
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You CAN enable ADB root using ADB which almost seems like a security flaw ADB root access is off by default as well.
But from what I have read ADB will not be required to set this. It just has to be changed by the user from the development options.
I have been wondering about this for a looooooong time. When we root our devices we are voluntarily opening up the biggest hole possible. I'm glad to see it addressed in such a practical manner.
Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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....maybe it's just the devices you've owned?
Ask someone with an OG droid, or someone with an Evo, or a Hero, or a GSM Samsung Anything....Hell, CM7 is fantastic on my Nook Color....Cm9 is too, though--I don't remember--I think It's a kang....
The only issue I've had has been with CDMA Samsung handsets...
EDIT: I guess what I mean to say is, there is so much to support that unless you have one of the heavily supported (or easily supported) devices then the fact that it boots up and works at all should be impressive enough.....On all the above mentioned devices I had a nearly flawless experience far preferable to stock....and even with the CM7 kangs (though I haven't tried the CM9s yet). I'm not so sure we'll ever get official support at this rate, though I'm not convinced that's a death sentence. Bubby's Cm7 was working nearly flawlessly for me, aside from a scant few mildly irritating bugs....
kthejoker20 said:
Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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I saw nightlies left and right on my OG Evo and though the E4GT may not get official CM7 support, We'll surely get offical CM9.
They couldn't get much done for a while because they were using older servers that couldn't keep up. Now they have nightlies going on the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Xoom, Asus Transformer, Asus Transformer Prime, and the HP Touchpad.
I'm sure we'll get nightlies soon enough and you'll be seeing official functioning ROM's everywhere.
We already have functional CM9.
What is AOKP built on anyway?
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http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
An interesting change, I'd say...
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I think they're trying to go mainstream, maybe OEMs will start putting CM on their phones instead of their own skins. It would be a huge selling point.
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maybe OEMs will start putting CM on their phones instead of their own skins. It would be a huge selling point.
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Problem is the root is still easily accessible. You would see them providing rooting methods for their own software before you saw that. The carriers would also want nothing to do with it. The manufacturer still has the concern of warranty while the carriers have the concern of tethering etc. Carriers likely would never reject an entire manufacturers line, they will always have to cave to some things they do not like.
Though selling unlocked devices with CM much as PC manufacturers will sell hardware with alternative operating systems isn't outrageous. As for the concern of warranty and software caused damage. Routers for example have set a precedent in the support of custom firmware while maintaining warranty. There is plenty of unbricking support in routers. Though providing accessible jtag interfaces in devices that would be sold both retail and unlocked would probably be interesting. Thats just a need in a worst case scenario though not required.
They do seem to be moving in that direction for whatever intent or purpose.