First, the story: Kaiser / leaky shower / drip drip drip / RIP!
My kaiser has gradually come back from the dead after drying on my desk for a month.
I can no longer flash anything except the stock 6.1 winmo rom. I've tried all methods: SD & USB both work for the said stock rom but nothing else.
My tricolor screen reads: KAIS130/ SPL 3.28.0000 / CPLD-8
I'd like to flash android back on this thing but I can't Any clue?
I have mtty access too if it helps. When I flash anything through usb or SD card, I'm stuck at 0% or on the "loading screen".
I've read many threads here but no solution works for me. I'm not excluding the idea that something may have fried permanently in this kaiser so I'm more looking for some troubleshooting directions, to make sure.
Water immersion can cause a lot of problems, not so much from the water itself, but rather the deposition of metal across leads and junctions caused by electrolysis of the solder used to join components to the pcb.
Provided the damage is not too widespread it is sometimes possible to revive the device, however it requires a complete disassembly and careful inspection of practically every component and connection on the mainboard, and the careful brushing clean of any 'furry' component terminations or leads.
I am surprised that it actually boots and is able to be flashed with WM.
If it is a stock SPL then you will need to HardSPL it anyway, since it will not allow you to flash anything other than stock otherwise.
Note that as far as I am aware, 3.28 is a stock spl, rather than HardSPL which is usually 2.29 or above.
Another thing, have you tried running android from SD? I know it is not quite the same, but if it works on SD, there is no reason for it not to be nand'able
This is actually the second time my Kaiser has been drowned in water (first time is now referred to as "the 2009 faulty Roman air-conditionning incident" and it took 6months for the Kaiser to recover) and full disassembly and cleaning helped A LOT in both cases (green stuff inside). I can now say that my Kaiser is water-proof At least it's built like a tank - except for the cheap breakable plastic shell.
I tried so many complicated solutions that I didn't even try android on SD I'll look into it tomorrow.
PS: Latest stock rom from Hong Kong can't be flashed ("not allowed"), only my French rom is flashable.
Provided you can flash something 6.1 you can run android from SD, and also should be able to HardSPL it to allow flashing of other roms, including the android nand boot nbh.
I think it's incredible that your kaiser has survived this twice, I'd take good care of it from now on, third time you may not be as fortunate
coincoinlapin said:
First, the story: Kaiser / leaky shower / drip drip drip / RIP!
My kaiser has gradually come back from the dead after drying on my desk for a month.
I can no longer flash anything except the stock 6.1 winmo rom. I've tried all methods: SD & USB both work for the said stock rom but nothing else.
My tricolor screen reads: KAIS130/ SPL 3.28.0000 / CPLD-8
I'd like to flash android back on this thing but I can't Any clue?
I have mtty access too if it helps. When I flash anything through usb or SD card, I'm stuck at 0% or on the "loading screen".
I've read many threads here but no solution works for me. I'm not excluding the idea that something may have fried permanently in this kaiser so I'm more looking for some troubleshooting directions, to make sure.
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if you flased the 1.65 radio version i have heard people having issues with it. i think somewhere on this forum there are instructions to get a different version on which wil then reopen your ability to flash the custom roms.
Yes
ghghgh14702 said:
if you flased the 1.65 radio version i have heard people having issues with it. i think somewhere on this forum there are instructions to get a different version on which wil then reopen your ability to flash the custom roms.
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Radio could interrupt some things. But then again, with jumpspl or sspl (dont know which one is correct, the one with the froggy icon) makes you go into bootloader mode from ram if im correct. You should be able to hardspl then...
The radio version which does that is 1.65.17.10, which is not available from the Ultimate Radio Thread, for that very reason, it is only that particular radio, not the other radios in the 1.65 series that causes the problem.
I am using the 1.65 radio in my sig, and have flashed and reflashed many times, with no problems.
zenity said:
The radio version which does that is 1.65.17.10, which is not available from the Ultimate Radio Thread, for that very reason, it is only that particular radio, not the other radios in the 1.65 series that causes the problem.
I am using the 1.65 radio in my sig, and have flashed and reflashed many times, with no problems.
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sorry, knew it was one of the 1.65, since he said he flashed an official rom if he has 1.65 it will be that version so I didn't look up the complete version as that was enough info for him.
I was too optimistic...The Kaiser recovered only for two days - I tried haret to load Android from SD, but it hung at some point.
Now there's a new error message, which also appeared after the first drowning: The sim door is open ... device will shut down in 10 secs. ZAP!
@MathijsNL
I'll have to look into your Froggy thing
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I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
lagoskon said:
I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
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The only problem here, is that I remove the radio from my stock rom before flashing, and I have had no HR or freezing problems.
Edit: Though.. atm, a single rom flash doesn't last much more than a day...
interesting thread
I don't take shortcuts, I follow the dr's order down to the T, and does take a good half an hour to 45 min to get things running, I will monitor of quicker way of doing it, if it saves me time, I would love to know too, so .. here I am watching with anticipation.
zocster said:
I don't take shortcuts, I follow the dr's order down to the T, and does take a good half an hour to 45 min to get things running, I will monitor of quicker way of doing it, if it saves me time, I would love to know too, so .. here I am watching with anticipation.
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I'm from Mars m8
NEVER FLASH RADIO WITH CUSTOM ROMS TOGETHER
ONLY RADIO
ONLY CUSTOM OS
OR RADIO WITH OS FROM ORIGINAL SHIPPED HERMES WM6.1 ON mars
anryl said:
ORIGINAL SHIPPED HERMES WM6.1
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there's no official shipped wm6.1 for hermes as i know
I know all this about not flashing Radio all the time with roms. I just say that the sequense of parts is not the same.
It should be IPL,SPL, Nothing , OS without flashing radio and NOT IPL,SPL,OS, Nothing which is the case now
lagoskon said:
I know all this about not flashing Radio all the time with roms. I just say that the sequense of parts is not the same.
It should be IPL,SPL, Nothing , OS without flashing radio and NOT IPL,SPL,OS, Nothing which is the case now
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Whatever the order of the pices, wouldnt the firmwear still have to go to the same places in the chip? Or you would end up in brick town.
Didn't someone say the HR's where due to part of the chip not being overwritten, and when you flash another rom, (that isnt a FULL shipped) it ended up causing incomparability issues?
veyka said:
Whatever the order of the pices, wouldnt the firmwear still have to go to the same places in the chip? Or you would end up in brick town.
Didn't someone say the HR's where due to part of the chip not being overwritten, and when you flash another rom, (that isnt a FULL shipped) it ended up causing incomparability issues?
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Remember guys the Real Big Storage ROMs overwrite the ext_rom portion to use as the extra storage, since it wasnt designed to do this we can assume that sometimes it might not work correctly.
Sure the tools and everything work fine with it all most of the time.
The reason flashing an official ROM seems to remedy the issues with Hard Resets is that if you reflash everything, the flash memory is refreshed back to the correct OS and ext_rom arrangement, then flashing an RBS ROM onto this area should in theory work fine thanks to the "spring clean" of the memory area.
mrvanx said:
Remember guys the Real Big Storage ROMs overwrite the ext_rom portion to use as the extra storage, since it wasnt designed to do this we can assume that sometimes it might not work correctly.
Sure the tools and everything work fine with it all most of the time.
The reason flashing an official ROM seems to remedy the issues with Hard Resets is that if you reflash everything, the flash memory is refreshed back to the correct OS and ext_rom arrangement, then flashing an RBS ROM onto this area should in theory work fine thanks to the "spring clean" of the memory area.
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Thanks for clearing that up, though it was long those lines! (So close, but so far)
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Thanks for clearing that up, though it was long those lines! (So close, but so far)
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It wasnt until recently that I experienced any hard reset issues with any of the ROMs here, i noticed that leading up to a Hard Reset or freeze at the boot screen things such as file operations and running programs seemed to fail...with access denied errors and etc..
Also programs failed to save registry data aswell, coreplayer repeatedly asked for the activation key (which ofcourse ive got).
Leading me to believe that the storage portion of the OS was not working correctly...and since thats the part we have (pardon the term) misused )) then perhaps a reflash to the old configuration to give the storage area a flat format would do the trikc...which it did.
So its definatly advised, even if you havent experienced the issues, to one in a while before you flash a new ROM, flash an official ROM which uses and ext_rom aswell to give it a quick clean out.
lagoskon said:
I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
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OK I FOUND IT WHAT YOU MEAN THE TOOL FOR IT IS htcRIE_0.4.0.49.exe as it opens the original ROM deletes ipl spl gsm and saves new orig rom with the order off flashing - splash splash extrom os
my GSM module has something wrong,i think.when i flash 6.0.it was failed.when i flash 6.1 which without radio.nbh. it was successful.and then,first time boot up.sys must be reboot.OK,reboot.it stop in the secondsplash.it can connect pc with the activesync.but the phone screen is the secondsplash....i dont know why...pleaes help me..
thanks~~
I'm having almost the same problem. When booting, my phone gets stuck at the second splash screen every time. I tried reflashing numerous different ROMs, but I get the same problem every time. Occasionally, with a Dopod factory ROM, I get it to boot to the "no SIM" menu in Chinese, but after tapping through the menus, it just restarts and gets stuck at the 2nd splash screen. I searched all over the internet for various radio ROMs, but I can't find ones specific for the Cavalier. I tried some for different HTC WM6 phones, but it stops at 7% and tells me that the ROM isn't right for the device. I'd like to try a new radio ROM if I can, so if anybody has one, can you post it???
ttknf said:
I'm having almost the same problem. When booting, my phone gets stuck at the second splash screen every time. I tried reflashing numerous different ROMs, but I get the same problem every time. Occasionally, with a Dopod factory ROM, I get it to boot to the "no SIM" menu in Chinese, but after tapping through the menus, it just restarts and gets stuck at the 2nd splash screen. I searched all over the internet for various radio ROMs, but I can't find ones specific for the Cavalier. I tried some for different HTC WM6 phones, but it stops at 7% and tells me that the ROM isn't right for the device. I'd like to try a new radio ROM if I can, so if anybody has one, can you post it???
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I don't think this has to do with the radio. From my experience in testing out cooked ROMS and trying to cookm my own ROMS for the Cav, the filesystem is a bit temperamental with too many flashes. I have had to format my ROM filesystem half a dozen times to fix small glitches such as incomolete flashes and hard locks. I can throw together a radio ONLY update for you but I doubt it will fix anything. This post describes how to unbrick (or format you phone) but you will lose ALL of your data and do it at your own risk.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428589&highlight=brick
ookba said:
I don't think this has to do with the radio. From my experience in testing out cooked ROMS and trying to cookm my own ROMS for the Cav, the filesystem is a bit temperamental with too many flashes. I have had to format my ROM filesystem half a dozen times to fix small glitches such as incomolete flashes and hard locks. I can throw together a radio ONLY update for you but I doubt it will fix anything. This post describes how to unbrick (or format you phone) but you will lose ALL of your data and do it at your own risk.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428589&highlight=brick
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I've already followed this process with MTTY numerous times, it had no effect. Also, when I did info 8 and task 2a, there were no bad blocks to begin with. Is there something else that can be done w/MTTY to fix things? It'd be great if you could dump that radio.nbh onto this thread just to see if that'll fix things.
ttknf said:
I've already followed this process with MTTY numerous times, it had no effect. Also, when I did info 8 and task 2a, there were no bad blocks to begin with. Is there something else that can be done w/MTTY to fix things? It'd be great if you could dump that radio.nbh onto this thread just to see if that'll fix things.
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Here is the Radio (05_GSM.nb) in the nbh. It's the one from the Dopod shipped ROM but I checked the versions and the HTC one is the same version. Copy this nbh file to your ROM Update folder and flash away. Hard SPL is recommended. This is a straight radio dump and I am not responsible if you brick your phone.
Haven't uploaded yet, will upload shortly.
ookba said:
Here is the Radio (05_GSM.nb) in the nbh. It's the one from the Dopod shipped ROM but I checked the versions and the HTC one is the same version. Copy this nbh file to your ROM Update folder and flash away. Hard SPL is recommended. This is a straight radio dump and I am not responsible if you brick your phone.
Haven't uploaded yet, will upload shortly.
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Are you gonna upload that radio rom?
I've read lots of comments, these very unwanted random hard-resets are suppose to be a common bug, however the suggested fixes dont seem to work for me, anyone else having the same issue?
Note: The issue must be software related, it only started happening to me immediately after a ROM update a few months back.
What usually happens:
- Install a ROM -> Configure It -> Install Apps... all looks good
- At some random point (could be days or weeks) the phone will lock up (usually on the password screen)
- A soft reset is required to rectify the lock-up
(i.e. the red button on back of phone)
- Phone hard-resets itself
Suggested Solutions:
1) Upgrade to HardSPL 1.93 - made no difference
2) I have tried running MTTY a few times, also no difference
3) Try different ROM's, I thought it might be just a bug with the WWE ROM, but it happens with the Energy ROM too
Just out of interest:
Interestingly, my wifes phone, which I do exactly the same updates on (same phone, same ROM, same Radio, etc), is working completely fine...
Hi
i had the same problem...for solve the problem, just flash the stock rom...you can download from htc website...than you can flash any rom you like and everytjing will work fine.
for any help just ask!
businello2000 said:
Hi
i had the same problem...for solve the problem, just flash the stock rom...you can download from htc website...than you can flash any rom you like and everytjing will work fine.
for any help just ask!
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Hi, thanks for suggestion, although yep I tried that too. There is no stock ROM for an imported phone on Optus, but I just used the stock Telstra one that was on the forums, then after a while went back to the WWE ROM, and the same issue still occurs.
No other ideas for resolving the hard reset issues?
Next time it happens, I might try pulling the battery out instead of using the reset button on the back of the phone.. but clearly something is wrong :-/
i have had this a couple of times, about 6 months ago and last week. i just flashed a different ROM, flashing the same one again didnt help, so just downloaded a different one and went with that.
seems to be ok now
flash this rom and do a hard reset after flashing:
http://uploading.com/files/WY03RBG2/Stock rom noSPL no Radio.rar.html
I've also posted the same link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4057376&postcount=3
matrix77 said:
flash this rom and do a hard reset after flashing:
http://uploading.com/files/WY03RBG2/Stock rom noSPL no Radio.rar.html
I've also posted the same link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4057376&postcount=3
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Thanks again for suggestions so far, but above fix only lasted about 5 days before another intermittent phone crash & subsequent hard reset, much the same as I have had experimenting with a range of stock and other ROM's :-/
I don't think the fix is as simple as just putting a Stock Rom -> Hard Reset -> MTTY -> New Rom -> Hard Reset. Im pretty sure its a software problem, but I dont see how the problem can survive such rigorous formatting...
Is noone else having the problem? Sounds like most are solved with 1 use of MTTY.
I searched a lot and found your thread.
I was upgrading my friend's Diamond, when he tells me that it hard resets itself without a reason. At first I thought it was the ROM's problem, so I switched to another one. But after I flashed the ROM, during the process of setting up the phone (settings, softwares), at some random point of installing random software, the phone says that the software was not installed successfully. After several re-flash, re-install, and ROM switching, it appears to me it's not a software problem.
It seems that it's at some point when the internal storage (not the NaviNAND) reaches a specific size, the device would fail and hangs (or not, randomly, but you can't install anything further), after a soft-reset, it will hard resets itself instead, it looks like some "badblocks" (sort of) on the internal storage NAND to me.
Is there a way to figure out if my theory's correct? I'm wondering if there is any tool that can run some diagnose on the internal NAND. If I'm correct and there is tool that can do so, it must have the ability to mask the bad pages on the NAND, right?
EDIT: There's a way to re-produce the situation. Just download some big apps (several MBs big) and install them in order. It will almost always hang at the same point.
The only solution is:
1st MTTY and run task 29 to format the device to make it clean and no left over stuff from the last ROM.
2nd Install different ROM
If you have bad sectors in the device, MTTY might not help much here, I guess.
Hi maddie, yes you might be onto something, I assume you already tried the usual fixes: (Stock Rom -> Hard Reset -> MTTY -> New Rom -> Hard Reset)? You can tell it to format the NaviNAND during the hard reset.
I think my issue might be different to yours though, as mine does not happen 'when installing software' mine happens days/weeks after setting up the phone.. It usually goes down like this: I pull the phone out of my pocket -> its locked on the password screen usually (cant type) -> pull the battery out or press the soft-reset button -> bang.. phone hard-resets.
I will make 1 suggestion though, instead of using all the nice fancy mods, and SPB Mobile Shell (looks like sense ui), I went back to a boring old stock rom, and well after 1 month its still going.. I absolutely hate it, but I dont want to buy another phone quite yet, so gonna go old-skool.
Let me know how you go, and as above if you did all the standard suggestions? It sounds like you need to somehow instruct the phone not to use those bad memory spots, but ive no idea if such a tool exists im afraid.
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I searched a lot and found your thread.
I was upgrading my friend's Diamond, when he tells me that it hard resets itself without a reason. At first I thought it was the ROM's problem, so I switched to another one. But after I flashed the ROM, during the process of setting up the phone (settings, softwares), at some random point of installing random software, the phone says that the software was not installed successfully. After several re-flash, re-install, and ROM switching, it appears to me it's not a software problem.
It seems that it's at some point when the internal storage (not the NaviNAND) reaches a specific size, the device would fail and hangs (or not, randomly, but you can't install anything further), after a soft-reset, it will hard resets itself instead, it looks like some "badblocks" (sort of) on the internal storage NAND to me.
Is there a way to figure out if my theory's correct? I'm wondering if there is any tool that can run some diagnose on the internal NAND. If I'm correct and there is tool that can do so, it must have the ability to mask the bad pages on the NAND, right?
EDIT: There's a way to re-produce the situation. Just download some big apps (several MBs big) and install them in order. It will almost always hang at the same point.
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I got the same problem recently and I am still trying different way to solve it.
My Hard-reset happen:
After flashing new rom -> Installation of software ->
-> launching programs -> when some got may holding or loading without response
-> Soft-reset (red bottom) -> It automatically Hard-reset....
Similar thinking with you, I think that maybe one of those reasons leading the hard reset:
1. Device got bad sector while flashing for different roms;
2. New Radios got bug and crash with the new version of roms;
3. Too many things stored in Internal Storage;
kenleekwanho said:
1. Device got bad sector while flashing for different roms;
2. New Radios got bug and crash with the new version of roms;
3. Too many things stored in Internal Storage;
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I like this logic, im in the position of owning 2 HTC Diamonds with identical ROM, Radio, Applications, 1 works perfectly, 1 is resetting.
It 'probably' indicates that its hardware related, I doubt its Radio (due to the other phone working fine), so could be Internal Storage or Bad Sector.
Im not even close to filling up my internal storage though, so if its storage related, perhaps a particular sector is the problem (like maddie was mentioning).
Thanks for all your opinions!
It's the first time for me to think it's the Radio's problem. It comes to me now it seems this situation starts when I flashed the 1.15.25.14 radio. I will try another radio and update here.
I dont 'think' its Radio, but worth a shot.
I cant consistently reproduce my issue, so it could take me a month to find out if ive fixed the issue.. and there are a lot of variables in a month. But sounds like you have a way of reproducing it consistently, gl.
OK, it doesn't seem to work. I think that's it..
Maybe I should start looking at the bootloader commands..
ive got the same issue, but only with some ROMs, for example, the AZTOR X3 and GEN.Y D2 didnt work, but gen.y 1.4 worked for me.
I tried MTTY method to re-flashing, it seems fine to my diamond right now.
i have the same problem, i have tried about 10 different roms, but i don't think it's software related, i think it might be the phone overheating causing a faulty component, it started 2 days ago for me and usually after 5-10 min it crashes, and it started happening when the weather heated up and it will crash quicker if i try to charge it, anyone notice this?
Has anyone found a solution to this?
For me it started when I installed the Gen Y rom with the android dual booter (but not android itself). I have tried MTTY, Stock ROM but Im still experiencing the problem. I suspect it has something to do with the dual boot.
I get the same thing. soft reset = hard reset.
I have tried several ROMs but now the phone hangs on the loading screen
Recently acquired a used 8525 and have been checking out tons of custom ROMS but today my phone locked up and wouldn't do anything. I am flashed to 2.10 HardSPL and was running the stock "like" 6.5 ROM on the front page of the Hermes forum. Phone would start up but locked up at the first HTC splash screen. I tried resetting and removing the battery but it would hang at the same spot. I flashed to a different ROM and everything seems OK. The 6.5ROM ran fine for a few days when it was installed. Is it possible to damage the internal memory by flashing and reflashing constantly or is the issue more than likely a software problem?
You need to flash the at&t stripped rom between those custom roms. That will "straighten out" any odd memory issues like what your experiencing.
And I'm guessing it would take several thousand (or more) rewrites of the memory to mess it up. Probably similar to compact flash, or a thumb drive. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable ones around here know.
Thanks for the info. Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?
Yup! And it seems just flashing the at&t stripped rom seems to be fine, no need to let it go through setup and all of that. I generally wait for it to get to the "tap here" screen, then go into boot loader and reflash.
I'm having the same issue one my 8525.
I can't do ANYTHING because my phone is stuck saying smart mobility.
And, a black screen.
How do I....
Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?
I've downloaded your stripped AT&T room... now what? I dont know about bootloader
Ok. It looks like I finally have SOMETHING other than that screen.
I just did a hard reset.
Is there anything I should do BEFORE this happens again?
Install Hard SPL V7 if you get to the today screen... Go to here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
page 116, post 1160 to use the sd card method...
This should make it easier to recover your Hermes if something goes wrong.
Cheers...
SD card MUST be 2Gb or less and formatted FAT32. Check your spelling - hermimg.nbh...
I'm fully functioning now... I have installed HARD SPL before.. do I re do it?
Or, what?
all is working normal now
Nah, once it's there, there is no need to redo it. It will stick between flashings.
Everything is working nice for me now, except for missing ÆØÅ, but I guess Ill get used to it.
The os is a bit slow, but meh.
So my I have found answers to my questions, but below are the original ones.
New questions:
Hello again!
Thanks for the information. Big thanks to this wonderful forum, because I can run Android on my phone!
But as I have tested it I have some questions:
1. The wifi is really slow. It feels like I am using Internet through the SIM card, but I am indeed not. (I took out the SIM card to test). And there isn't any problem with our Internet, because it is fast and good on everything else.
Downloaded some older files and the WiFi is working much better now!
2. I got some problems with vertical lines, but after readings some FAQs I found out about a setting. It has worked overnight, but is it permanent?
This problem is solved, haven't experienced any vertical lines after boot fix.
3. I'm not sure if GPS is working, because it take ages to start. Just says loading... loading... etc.
GPS is working, but slow.
4. Since I am from Norway it seems like I have custom physical keyboard. (with ÆØÅ) And because of that all the FN keys are messed up, well except for numbers.But as I read somewhere the default mapping for Tytn II should be FN + Q = @
And that is how my keyboard look now. But it should be FN + Q = ? according to the text on the keyboard and how it worked in WM.
And is there any way to do the same for the Android keyboard?
Anything I can edit without too much hazzle to fix this? Cause its a pain to write texts without the Norwegian letters.
I found a custom kernel and it is working nice (I have asked for a custom build of it so I can have ÆØÅ too, but mapping is good)
Besides that I am SO happy with it! I just love the menus and how its so easy to touch compared to WM.
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Okey, first of all.. this is probably a newbie question and I might have found my answer if I searched for a while.
But as both you and me know, it would've taken me much more time to search and read a bunch of threads than it would be to just simply ask the question.
I am a newbie at the whole ROM and radio business on phones. To be honest I just found out yesterday that it was even possible.
As you might have guessed I want to run Android on my phone. Im going to run it from the microSD card etc.
Well there werent really any problems to download the Android files together with Haret and then put them on the sd card. (If I wasnt able to do that I wouldnt bother.)
The problem is that when trying to run Android from within WM (6.1) it just freezes at full bar with the text "Go Go Go". The whole phone is just frozen and I have to restart it.
Well as I read on the troublehooting guide on "androidonhtc.com" I have to update my radio which then leads me to this website.
Fine so far. The problem is that I do not really want to mess with the phone itself. First I want to know how I can "backup" the radio so if I mess up something while flashing I can easily go back.
Second of all Im not really sure which radio which works with which rom.
I am running the original rom which came with the phone and I do not really want to mess up anything.
Here are the infos I got from the phone:
Rom version: 3.29.409.0 NOR (Yeah, Im from Norway)
Rom date: 05/05/08
Radio version: 1.65.16.25
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
The phone is HTC Tytn II running Windows Mobile 6.1
The guide on androidonhtc said that I needed "1.65.24.xx or 1.71.xx.xx"
Can I then use a 1.71.xx even though I have a 1.65.16.25 now?
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I want to know which radio I can use for the phone with the specs above.
The recommended radio for most android builds is 1.71.xx, however it will still run on older radios, but may experience some audio, wifi, bt, gps, and possibly other issues.
If you intend to run from SD card, then this may not be much more than an annoyance, since you can reboot to Winmo at any time, and as a newcomer to android this would have been my advice anyway.
To upgrade the radio is a simple step usually, provided your device is prepared properly.
A prepared device means that is ready and able to be flashed, and this requires HardSPL, ( basically an unlocked bootloader that allows you to flash roms/radios/ splash screens etc).
I recommend reading through the guides and tutorials sticky in the 'main' rom forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533976
This should give you an understanding of what might be involved in starting to flash your device, and should answer many of your questions about radios, flashing, unlocking, roms and other things you may need to know about before proceeding.
Good luck, and remember, I was once as new as you, and that thread was where I learned all I know about my devices
So if I update to 1.71.09.01 while still using the original ROM, I wont get any big problems?
Or do I have to upgrade the ROM too?
You see.. this stuff is confusing to me. I consider myself a PC geek, but I suck at phones.
The instructions are pretty easy to follow, but its not so easy to know if I'm able to revert the stuff I'm doing.
I want to do as little "damage" to the phone as possible.
Is it necessary to backup the radio which is on the phone now, or do I have to find another radio from here and flash it on?
And one last question. Is there any difference between the original radio on the phone and the radios I'm downloading from here?
cXhristian said:
So if I update to 1.71.09.01 while still using the original ROM, I wont get any big problems?
Or do I have to upgrade the ROM too?
You see.. this stuff is confusing to me. I consider myself a PC geek, but I suck at phones.
The instructions are pretty easy to follow, but its not so easy to know if I'm able to revert the stuff I'm doing.
I want to do as little "damage" to the phone as possible.
Is it necessary to backup the radio which is on the phone now, or do I have to find another radio from here and flash it on?
And one last question. Is there any difference between the original radio on the phone and the radios I'm downloading from here?
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You don't need to upgrade the ROM. All you need to do is install hardSPL, then install the radio. If you install hardSPL properly, your phone will be almost impossible to brick. It's really the first thing any person should do to their phone when beginning to do modifications. You can't "back up" your radio, but all available radio versions, including the one you currently have, are available HERE. So if you ever want to go back to your original radio, it will always be there. I honestly don't know the difference between the radios, I just know that certain versions are recommended depending on what ROM you are using, for the best signal and least bugs with wifi and bluetooth, as zenity previously mentioned. Hope this helps you some, good luck!
Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear.
The reason why I want to try out other mobile OS and ROMs is that I hate how the menus are so frigging tiny on the WM 6.1
If I'm trying to do stuff fast I always click the wrong button.. And yeah I have lost my stylus.
Anyway, thanks for all the help. After getting some answers and reading some threads I feel ready to update the radio.
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And one last question. Is there any difference between the original radio on the phone and the radios I'm downloading from here?
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Basically the higher the radio version number, the newer the radio software, as our devices aged, HTC brought out a number of software updates.
Our network carriers usually have custom ROM's which have a 'matched' radio for best operation, however even these 'matched' radios had small bugs, which were patched by releasing newer radio versions, of which 1.71.xx was the lastest and last official HTC radio for the Kaiser series.
There are also radios from other devices which work with our kaisers, but these are not recommended unless you have a particular need for one of those.
As far as the ability to 'undo' any modifications you make is concerned, it can all be reversed and your device put back the way it was relatively easily, instructions for this are best found on the wiki pages for the kaiser, along with a load of other information about radios, roms, flashing etc.
But unless the reason for not messing with your kaiser is in case you have warranty concerns, then pretty much everything is 'safe' to do, ( there is ALWAYS a risk of a bad flash, or unforseen power cut, but even these are recoverable in all but the most extreme circumstances).
Finally, take everything one step at a time, don't be tempted to rush in and try everything at once, you will make mistakes, you will also learn how to fix them.
As with everything else, remember to backup anything you really cannot afford to lose, get a 128Mb SD card with an HTC ROM on it, and don't panic
Hello again!
Thanks for the information. Big thanks to this wonderful forum, because I can run Android on my phone!
But as I have tested it I have some questions:
1. The wifi is really slow. It feels like I am using Internet through the SIM card, but I am indeed not. (I took out the SIM card to test). And there isn't any problem with our Internet, because it is fast and good on everything else.
2. I got some problems with vertical lines, but after readings some FAQs I found out about a setting. It has worked overnight, but is it permanent?
3. I'm not sure if GPS is working, because it take ages to start. Just says loading... loading... etc.
4. Since I am from Norway it seems like I have custom physical keyboard. (with ÆØÅ) And because of that all the FN keys are messed up, well except for numbers.But as I read somewhere the default mapping for Tytn II should be FN + Q = @
And that is how my keyboard look now. But it should be FN + Q = ? according to the text on the keyboard and how it worked in WM.
And is there any way to do the same for the Android keyboard?
Anything I can edit without too much hazzle to fix this? Cause its a pain to write texts without the Norwegian letters.
Besides that I am SO happy with it! I just love the menus and how its so easy to touch compared to WM.
I'm having the exact reverse, m FN + Q is ?.
If i remember, fn+q='?' means you are using a tilt keymap on a non tilt keyboard, if you are running from nand, try a non-tilt nbh, if you are running from SD theres a setting in default.txt. ( board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 ) if it's set to 1 change it to 0
No, on the nbh i'm using, the tilt keypad layout is set to 0. But I'm back on ext2 now so it isnt a problem anymore.