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Hey everyone,
Just received my Desire today, think it is an awesome phone except I have one little niggle and I'm not sure if it's just me. When I'm in the 'All programs' view if I flick the list down towards the bottom there is noticeable lag. It's weird, it only happens when it reaches the bottom but it clearly stutters and jogs a bit as it gets to the end.
Weird thing is I havn't really noticed it anywhere else in the phone. Does anyone else with the phone have this issue? It's one of the first things I noticed when I opened it and all the reviews I've seen have not mentioned any lag at all so I don't think its right!
Thanks
I notice lag when I'm running at near to 0 mb Ram left, so it could be you have too many Apps open! :O - All other times its smooth.
A shutdown+turn on (restart) would be the bes tway to end all those applications that didnt actually close.
Or install something like Advanced App Killer and just kill off unwanted processes that way.
Thanks for the replies, I havn't tried restarting the phone but I do have the Advanced App Killer and it happens even when I've just killed everything. :\
It seems to happen much more when scrolling down, not up. What software version do you both have? Mine is 1.15.161.4, I'm wondering if it is a software issue because I havn't noticed it except on this programs screen.
Its only very slight, if you start from the top of the apps list, and scroll fast all the way down, the last row has a slight lag.
But really, the reason no reviews or anyone has not mentioned this is because its a none issue. You only see it if you go looking for it and its so slight the majority of people reading this thread will have no idea what you're talking about.
I've never noticed that, but now that I try it, I have the same thing. And I do kill my apps on a regular basis.
Must be some sort of minor bug. Doesn't bother me though.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android
Could this be your answer..
skanj said:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android
Could this be your answer..
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That article describes how Android should work, unfortunately it doesn't exactly work that way. There are plenty of apps that leak memory as well as devs using all sorts of undocumented API calls that make apps work in different way than intended.
It's not RAM am sure of it was the same on the hero when you got near the bottom it lagged , funny thing when you use launcher 2.1 like on Nexus one its as smooth as butter in the programs menu, I wish they had used it in Sense as it looks far better.
I wonder if any genius out there can get it working in sense and replace HTC's standard one.
I don't have the Desire, but on the Hero the scrolling slows down at the end, before it stops. What do you mean by lags? like hangs for a second or something? or snaps at the end before it stops?
A video can help.
It could be that HTC need to look into the code there.
salahag said:
I don't have the Desire, but on the Hero the scrolling slows down at the end, before it stops. What do you mean by lags? like hangs for a second or something? or snaps at the end before it stops?
A video can help.
It could be that HTC need to look into the code there.
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What happens is that if I scroll down fairly quickly a few lines before the bottom there is a sort of shudder and slow down. It's a bit jittery, but it was something I noticed after I had only been using the phone a few minutes. Someone else I've shown it to notices it as well.
However Ive also just noticed that there is one single spec of dust under the screen right in the middle! Because of that I might just see if I can get a replacement. Would it be something to ask the carrier or HTC?
Its just not as smooth is the best way i can explain, it did exactly the same thing on the hero, as you start scrolling down all is fine then when you hit the bottom it could be called a tiny bit of slow down, like if you was gaming and the frame rate drops slightly so you lose the smoothness.
When i enable the 2.1 launcher its as smooth as anything and it is a far better looking apps system out of the two , i still say the same i would like to see this enabled in sense.
There was a vid on Youtube where people asked a guy doing Desire vids about this issue. His opinion was:
'it does not really lag. It is more like the system slows it down because it wants to'
Now on my HD2 when I scroll trough the start menu, it also stops on purpose(looks smooth though). On the Desire however I agree it looks more like lag then anything else..
Now that I think of it, I think I have seen this issue on every phone running Android.
Just try to ignore this issue I would say
I Dont have any such issue on mine.
XDA mark said:
There was a vid on Youtube where people asked a guy doing Desire vids about this issue. His opinion was:
'it does not really lag. It is more like the system slows it down because it wants to'
Now on my HD2 when I scroll trough the start menu, it also stops on purpose(looks smooth though). On the Desire however I agree it looks more like lag then anything else..
Now that I think of it, I think I have seen this issue on every phone running Android.
Just try to ignore this issue I would say
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I tend to use the 2.1 launcher as i prefer it to the sense look, its fine with that launcher its only when sense is enabled.
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I tend to use the 2.1 launcher as i prefer it to the sense look, its fine with that launcher its only when sense is enabled.
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Ok nice to know. Another reason to try Stock 2.1 once I get my Desire But with Stock 2.1 on the Desire, you get 7 home screens right? (normal 2.1 aka just turning of Sense, not flashing stock rom or something)
Has anybody found a sloution for this yet (apart from getting rid of sense that i quite like so i want to keep it)??
It's a damn shame 'cause it seems to be the only place where the phone slows down and as it's quite a common place to be it really bugs me!!!
I have similar lag.
Posting a vid that shows it.
Movie is only 30 fps, so its not that clear as it seems IRL.
youtube.com/watch?v=3UAO-eyhFmY
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dastalker said:
I have similar lag.
Posting a vid that shows it.
Movie is only 30 fps, so its not that clear as it seems IRL.
youtube.com/watch?v=3UAO-eyhFmY
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Quite hard to discern from the video as you mention but seems the same issue I originally posted about. On mine though it only really happens when you do a rapid scroll over a long distance, i.e. just holding my finger there and scrolling up and down as you did in the video seems fine to me. If i scroll quickly though and let it go just before the bottom it does a little jump and then keeps going again.
After using the device for a couple of weeks now, I agree with what someone else posted that its not lag but a bug. I think there is a problem with the algorithm that controls the slow down at the end, because for me it is a very noticeable jump that happens and seems to be artificial, not because the device can't handle the scroll.
yup same here,
i noticed a small lag when scrolling down in the program menu, the funny thing is... it didn't have that when i first got it.
Its when i started to put some progs on it, that it began to lag (or whatever you want to call it)
Does anyone else now have this problem?
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Now that you've mentioned it I can see that I am
Once I pinch in a little it sharpens.
Yeah. Omg but when I pinch it gets sharp again...
Nope, not here. Never rooted Desire.
all fine here.
Yeah, I can see it. After the photo stops sliding, it blurs a little, then zooming it goes sharp again. Strange
Same here, I noticed it earlier today... It's quite annoying
Philosoma said:
Yeah, I can see it. After the photo stops sliding, it blurs a little, then zooming it goes sharp again. Strange
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I can confirm this. HTC 2.2 rooted.
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As usual, if I wouldn't read stuff on xda, my phone would seem perfect to me. Now that I'm looking into it, it is there, but the funny thing is that it doesn't happen all the time...
No issue here. Non rooted desire.
I have this problem also on 2.2 froyo stock from the forum and rooted.
Anybody has it with the unrooted, normal OTA update ?
If you tap the photo to get back to the "filmstrip" view then tap a photo to go back to full screen it go's clear again!!
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Anybody has it with the unrooted, normal OTA update ?
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YES!!!!
Non rooted non branded Desire. It is 100% issue there. I think the other guys just don't notice it or understand what you mean. Took me a while to see it.
When you browse through the gallery it used to sharpen (on stock 2.1) when you stopped on a gallery pic during your swiping. Just ever so slightly. It does not sharpen now (stock 2.2) unless you adjust the picture using pinch.
You can see this easily by choosing a picture in the gallery and clicking it. now swipe to the images either side of it and back. the picture is very very slightly blurred. pinch zoom it a tiny bit and it instantly sharpens up. I'm sure the gallery used to sharpen the gallery pics automatically in 2.1. Anyone confirm?
edit: although, maybe Im wrong. Did it ever automatically sharpen the gallery pics when yuo stopped on them, or did you have to pinch or tap the image. I think it used to self sharpen. I really don't know without someone on stock 2.1 comparing?
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YES!!!!
Non rooted non branded Desire. It is 100% issue there. I think the other guys just don't notice it or understand what you mean. Took me a while to see it.
When you browse through the gallery it used to sharpen (on stock 2.1) when you stopped on a gallery pic during your swiping. Just ever so slightly. It does not sharpen now (stock 2.2) unless you adjust the picture using pinch.
You can see this easily by choosing a picture in the gallery and clicking it. now swipe to the images either side of it and back. the picture is very very slightly blurred. pinch zoom it a tiny bit and it instantly sharpens up. I'm sure the gallery used to sharpen the gallery pics automatically in 2.1. Anyone confirm?
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confirmed for sure
I have same problem with my desire after froyo update
do you think HTC brose this forum to find bugs and issues or do they only go by the number of support tickets they get? I guess this is not a big problem really is it?
It seems they are just using a cached thumbnail for the gallery pics and don't sharpen the "preview" unless you zoom in.
I've contacted HTC about this issue and even given them a link to this thread... Let's see what happens, hopefully it will be fixed in an update soon...
Ok, found what you guys mean. The last picture is always blurry, even if the circle animation has stopped to keep sharpen the rest first.
I'm not sure but I think this happened to me only when I had the picture album widget on the desktop. I removed it, rebooted and accessed photos with the shortcut and so far, no photo has been blurry.
Also going back to choosing the album would fix the issue.
First off, if this is in the wrong section, sorry I looked in the other sections and seemed best off here.
I am in need of App advice. I have my phone running UD 2.5.0 and the only thing im missing on my screens is a nice picture widget that rotates pictures based on a schedule I set.
It has to be able to read internal memory and the sd card.
I have tried Turtle Photoframe, but it is terrible at how its cropping my pictures, so its out. I tried out a few others from the market, but they would not see the internal memory.
Anyone have any advice on a better app? Thanks, and Happy Holidays!
dc
Update
Well someone pm'ed me and mentioned Photo Gallery Widget from the market.
I tried it, and it works decent, but unfortunately does not see internel memory. Bummer.
So, my quest is still going.
dc
I've has my Galaxy Nexus for a couple of days now, on the Three network in the UK.
I hate how most people in reviews rave about phones when they have just forked out for them, and fail to mention any real negatives - presumably because they refuse to accept that something they've spent £500 on might be less than perfect. When you buy one and it's missing features or isn't quite what you expected, it's very annoying.
Here are my thoughts so far. I consider myself a power-user, and have tested almost everything. Overall, people are right. This is the best phone I've touched. I think once devs start optimising their apps to work properly on ICS it'll be even better. Fingers crossed that Cyanogen will address lots of the annoyances below.
I hope this is useful for someone
The Good:
Feels much more complete and unified.
It's lightening fast.
Most of the best bits of Android have transferred.
Screen looks great.
Face unlock works much better than I thought. Even in low light.
I've only had one crash despite installing a tonne of apps and testing every feature. [EDIT: a few FCs today. Mainly from the pre-installed Google Earth).
Radio seems to work fine on Three UK, unlike the SGS II which has data issues due to fast dormancy. Data speeds are great.
Browser generally much better.
Text input much better, but editing is a little confusing and seems to vary depending on app. [EDIT: This is actually phenomenal. I've always had a hardware keyboard or Swype before so no practice on these keyboards. After only 48 hours, I can literally type without looking. It is very good at correcting mistakes.]
Screen size is great for me, as I use my phones as mini-tablets. Doesn't feel bulky in my pocket at all.
BLUETOOTH STEREO FINALLY DOESN'T DISTORT - I can hear hi-hats again instead of just distortion. There is a bit of constant crackling though.
Screen remains responsive when charging. I have had an issue where it wasn't registering touch properly when charging on my Milestone, Desire and SGSII so this is really nice.
The Bad:
EVEN THOUGH I'M SUPPOSEDLY IN AN UNAFFECTED BAND, IF MY PHONE DROPS TO 2G, AND SOMEONE WALKS NEAR ME MAKING A PHONECALL IT PUTS MY PHONE ON SILENT.
The 'menu' button is unpredictable. For example, in most apps it appears at the bottom with the softkeys. In Market it's up at the top, near the search button. In some apps, it has gone. Seems to vary and is confusing.
You're stuck with the Google search box on you home screen. I hate this.
Now the button has gone, if an app doesn't have a search icon, you've lost the ability to search.
Also means no long press search, so you have to go back to the home screen for voice commands. This also means that regardless of what launcher you use, if you want voice search, you NEED to have the Google search widget on your home screen.
No USB Mass Storage – they've opted for media device profile instead. My Xbox recognises it but can't play any content. It doesn't work with my car stereo. It doesn't work with my TV. My laptop will see it, but I can't see certain hidden folders. This has just removed a huge aspect of flexibility from Android. It's no longer universal, and more like an iPhone now in that respect.
Icons are as ugly in real life as everyone expected.
Blue theme clashes with everything except blue. Blue icons on blue background feels very bland.
There is a huge problem with speech to text, whereby it is very slow, and seems to just write a list of names out of my contacts directory rather than writing what I say! Video here: http://youtu.be/qHVptz2EtMk
No longer accepts certain file formats over Bluetooth.
Camera seems buggy when reviewing photos. It works confusingly.
Gallery is not very intuitive at all.
Browser doesn't display Javascript animations properly.
Dropped a few calls.
Wifi range isn't as good as my other Androids
Front facing camera doesn't aim inwards towards your face. It points straight forward at 90 degrees, but it's positioned on the right of the device, so your face isn't central unless you hold the phone at a bit of an angle facing away from you. [EDIT - this is getting very annoying now. You have to have the phone screen pointing almost away from you to video call]
Bluetooth calls don't seem to work. Caller can't hear what I'm saying. [EDIT - I'm told it works on newer kits. Mine is a Jabra stereo receiver]
Bluetooth music has a constant crackling behind it, but it's barely noticeable in loud music.
All albumart appears in the phone gallery.
Google Talk seems to sign out after a while. It's showing all of my contacts as away even though I know they're online. Signing out and in again fixes this temporarily, but I'm guessing I would miss video calls whilst offline.
Phone has gone to permanent sleep about 3 times in 2 and a half days now. Requires a battery pull to get it back on.
Apps - If you can't live without these, I'd recommend waiting to buy until they're fixed
No menu button is shown on Facebook, so there's no way to set it up to sync contacts or notifications. This means no contact photos for now.
Twitter on the other hand syncs all my contacts, despite me telling it not to.
Doesn't support Swype as yet.
Doesn't support MX Video Player.
iPlayer not available in the Market.
Grooveshark app doesn't work due to lack of flash player. You can use Dood's music streamer for a functional but unattractive alternative.
Thanks for the review and honesty. It would be nice if you kept this updated as either your opinion changes or things are fixed from either Google or app developers.
Is web browser as smooth (scrolling, pinch to zoom) as one on the galaxy s2?
I really beginning to wonder if Verizon is going to put these out there in two weeks without some fixes/improvements in place. I mean, if December 8 is real, these phones have got be in sealed boxes already. People will be returning them faster than they sell them.
hrcro said:
Is web browser as smooth (scrolling, pinch to zoom) as one on the galaxy s2?
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It feels a lot smoother than my Galaxy S II did.
I'm about to test the bluetooth quality, as crackling audio was my biggest pet hate from previous Android versions.
Can you resize the search widget? If we are stuck with it maybe something smaller will help minimize that particular drawback.
have you got an otg usb cable? can you hook up a thumb drive?
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have you got an otg usb cable? can you hook up a thumb drive?
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yes, please test it. whole forum with owners GN but nobody had test this opportunity yet
I hope yopu don't mind but I am going to hijack this thread and also post a quick review from a similar nerd is maybe over critical. Saves starting a new thread.
The Good
ICS is very polished, much more so than any other version of android, it tries to stay consistent through the whole phone where as in previous versions it was one of my main annoyances.
The device looks fantastic.
The speed is very good, I wouldn't say it is any faster than a SGS2 with a custom rom IMO but it is a lot smother in animation etc. so it feels a lot faster.
The screen is very nice, playing videos when the screen is set up to an acceptable brightness are amazing with colours a lot more natural than the SGS2 or the yellow tint of the iphone 4.
Radio is very good also, getting full signal in my house where as before i would only receive 2-3 bars.
Text input is a lot better although i have found it is unable to keep up with my typing, although it is putting the letters down it almost seems like there is a little delay in the animation of them magnifying.
Notification light is back and I am glad, as I missed that feature on my SGS2.
Has everything, NFC, noise cancelling mic, 720p display and ICS. Its pretty much future proof (in terms of the next few years)
Zero shutter lag is a very good feature
Bad Points
The screen although very nice on full or half brightness is not very good on auto brightness. It is so much lower compared to all my other smart phones it is almost unusable I find so I have had to manually set the brightness.
Auto rotate as I have mentioned in another thread is very inconsistent, very fast in some apps nearly non existent in others.
Sound quality is quiet, not poor quality but very quiet. My SGS2 and iPhone 4 over power it when playing videos.
The browser is fast but it is not as fast as my SGS2 running Check Rom Revolution HD. It is deffo faster than the iPhone 4.
The camera is not great, its not bad but the quality feels like it is from a year old device. Quite grainy, not as good as the SGS2 or the iphone 4s unfortunately.
And lastly a few quirks which I am sure will be sorted out with an over the air update, occasional stutter when opening app draw, gallery doesn't seem terribly smooth when going through photos and the auto rotate is just annoying me.
Other than the above I don't want people to read this and think it is doom and gloom because it isn't. This is a very very good device, I am glad I purchased it because it is still the best phone on the market in my opinion.
Every phone has its niggles but that is why this forum is so great, I am looking forward to the community baked roms which always make a device go from very good to just awesome.
To answer some question, you can't resize the search bar. Its not really a widget its sort of like the controls at the bottom, permanently there.
when typing does it type well, what I mean is it off when typing and you keep getting bad letters up, I had that problem with the SGS2 someone mentioned it was a screen problem that it kept jumping
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Can you resize the search widget? If we are stuck with it maybe something smaller will help minimize that particular drawback.
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Nope, can't resize it. It's there permanently. You'd have to install another launcher.
Added a few more to the list, mainly to do with Bluetooth.
Is FM radio working with Spirit FM Radio app?
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when typing does it type well, what I mean is it off when typing and you keep getting bad letters up, I had that problem with the SGS2 someone mentioned it was a screen problem that it kept jumping
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Yeah it types really well, I don't think I have mistyped once on there and I type real fast.
Good lord. That's a lot of negatives. Thanks for the honest review for undecided minds like me. Just two questions. If you use a 3rd party launcher (for example adw) will the google search bar still be present? Secondly, how does the GPS perform in terms of fix time and accuracy? Does barometer really help GPS fix time? Thanks
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Secondly, how does the GPS perform in terms of fix time and accuracy? Does barometer really help GPS fix time? Thanks
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The GPS fix for me is very fast, easily within a second or so. Much faster than my Desire was, that's for sure.
A lot of those negatives either will be resolved soon by Google or they won't be a problem for the majority of people
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OP > when typing does it type well, what I mean is it off when typing and you keep getting bad letters up, I had that problem with the SGS2 someone mentioned it was a screen problem that it kept jumping
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You're stuck with the Google search box on you home screen. I hate this.
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Ugh.
This is going to be problematic with my live clock wallpaper that is displayed at the top of the screen. Anyone else use WP Clock?
Here's an example of the live wallpaper I'm talking about:
luffyp said:
Good lord. That's a lot of negatives. Thanks for the honest review for undecided minds like me. Just two questions. If you use a 3rd party launcher (for example adw) will the google search bar still be present? Secondly, how does the GPS perform in terms of fix time and accuracy? Does barometer really help GPS fix time? Thanks
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Well you have to bare in mind that ICS is a big over haul, so if we were to list all the positives it would be a pretty big list. I am just venting my negatives of the device, but when you compare them to how good the device is they really are small and I would rather have this handset than any other. I forked out for both my SGS2 and the Galaxy Nexus sim free and i am not dissapointed with either. If you are undecided on whether to upgrade you have to look at the fact that this phone does have everything, is a developer phone and has ICS written specifically for it. I would say go for it.
If you use a 3rd party launcher the Google search will not be present, my GPS has been excellent, I have used it for a few car journeys and it is just as good as my SGS2 which was superb.
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Well you have to bare in mind that ICS is a big over haul, so if we were to list all the positives it would be a pretty big list. I am just venting my negatives of the device, but when you compare them to how good the device is they really are small and I would rather have this handset than any other. I forked out for both my SGS2 and the Galaxy Nexus sim free and i am not dissapointed with either. If you are undecided on whether to upgrade you have to look at the fact that this phone does have everything, is a developer phone and has ICS written specifically for it. I would say go for it.
If you use a 3rd party launcher the Google search will not be present, my GPS has been excellent, I have used it for a few car journeys and it is just as good as my SGS2 which was superb.
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Yep I know, ICS seems to be the biggest change among the previous Android versions. Together with Google & developers' support, it's why I want to jump ship to the Nexus line. At the moment I'm leaning towards it, just wanna read more reviews. Although the volume adjusting problem that many people are having is a bit of a concern. Hopefully it will be fixed by a software update.
I don't know if I'm the only one experiencing this, but some of my images I guess become corrupted I think. I'm not sure how to explain it, just look at the screenshots. When i go to the picture, it's fine, but a split second later a bunch of gray lines cover up the whole picture. I don't know what could be wrong?
One picture shows it as the lines start and the other shows when it's fully covered.
Yea it sucks just delete them. Not sure why these phones do this.
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Don't delete them. They're fine. Did you try viewing them in a different gallery, say Quickpic?
This happens with progressive jpeg's due to a gallery tweak for "HQ" images.
B39 of AOKP removed this tweak.
I'm not sure if CM9 has, I'd assume not.
In any case:
QuickPic is a great alternative that will allow viewing AND setting as wallpaper despite the native gallery errors.
Extremely helpful, thanks guys. It was starting to bug the hell out of me.