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Hey guys,
So, you know that official Facebook app is supposed to have push notifications, right? Yeah? Well, it apparently does, they just never worked for me at all. Turns out, there's a fix, and it's quite the strange one - you have to sign into the Facebook app on a Blackberry. Once you've done that, you'll start getting push notifications for wall posts, comments, and event invites, with an entirely new notification icon. Weird, no?
Of course, it's not like I had a recent BB device just lying around.. Thankfully, the Blackberry emulator software works just fine for our purposes. I've written up a guide for the curious, with links to the emulator software and so forth.
Seems the fix was found in May over at AndroidCentral, but I'd certainly not seen it posted anywhere I frequent, and had to spend some time searching for a fix to stumble across the post - hence this topic.
Let me know if it works for you.
Really interesting, I'd like to try and see!
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Cheers - Weird, isn't it? I'm planning to make a walkthrough video later on today, unfortunately my Galaxy S II's camera is the best I have, so I'll need to convince the girlfriend to let me tinker with her Nexus One to show how it's done.. We'll see if she lets me.
This trick worked for me.
I've always had that notification icon (little sign-post looking thing), and have never signed in on a Blackberry, so I guess mine have always worked for some reason.
Interesting, have you got anything else of note authorised on your Facebook account?
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Didn't work for me, got no notifications of the private messages that I received since doing this
tylerdurden83 said:
Didn't work for me, got no notifications of the private messages that I received since doing this
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What do you mean by 'private messages'? Facebook chat/messenger? This works for wall posts, comments, and event invites, not messages - that's what the separate Facebook Messenger app is for.
Worked 100 percent for me. Thanks
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Then I might have said something stupid, I'll keep you updated.
One observation tho, in your guide you say that it's possible, once you enable this, to deactivate the periodic check, since you get push notifications. I agreed and removed it. If push doesn't "push" private messages tho, I guess that I'll have to re-enable the periodic checks, since that checks private messages received too.
Would you be able to do this for us, if we give you our Facebook credentials? (big big sign of trust I know )
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Update, it works
Altho I wish it would push private messages too, so that I could remove the periodic update of 30 min
Works perfect! Thank you sooo much!
[Don't forget to activate notifications in BB-App, like I did first ]
cyberpunk627 said:
Would you be able to do this for us, if we give you our Facebook credentials? (big big sign of trust I know )
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I guess I could if you really wanted. Do you not have access to a Windows PC to use the emulator?
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Update, it works
Altho I wish it would push private messages too, so that I could remove the periodic update of 30 min
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Glad to hear it's working - But isn't that what this is for?
hansbert said:
Works perfect! Thank you sooo much!
[Don't forget to activate notifications in BB-App, like I did first ]
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Ooh, that might help. I'm pretty sure they were enabled by default when I tried it, was that not the case for you? Anyone else have the same experience? Happy to update the guide if need be.
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Update, it works
Altho I wish it would push private messages too, so that I could remove the periodic update of 30 min
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Private messages get pushed to me and have done so for the past 2 months, something must be up on your end. Make sure you've turned on notifications for messages in the FB app, if that doesn't work then I'm out of ideas mate
Could you send me your Database files in /data/data/com.facebook.katana/databases after cleaning them from any private information ( I'm particularly interested in the key_value database ).
I'm wondering if there's any way we can activate it without this long process, so I wanna compare settings from a push activated device and a not push activated one.
So why do you think this wasn't implemented in the app itself?
Is it because its buggy or a battery drainer?
Or is it because Apple and RIM pay royalties to Facebook to have the better features?
Thanks man ... working like a charm here.
I have always got fb notifications without having to do any of this.
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worked a treat for me, nolonger need Fb to check every hour so less battery drain
Hey guys,
I know this problem has been posted several times, but since there's no solution yet, I wanted to try it again.
The problem is, that every HTML-Email is displayed way too big in the HTC mail app.
I've tried to change the size-setting to "small" but that didn't work.
Please, Please help me. :crying:
This bug is so annoying, that I even thought of bringing the HOX back and using my old Desire HD again.
Greetings,
oberbapti
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Hey guys,
I know this problem has been posted several times, but since there's no solution yet, I wanted to try it again.
The problem is, that every HTML-Email is displayed way too big in the HTC mail app.
I've tried to change the size-setting to "small" but that didn't work.
Please, Please help me. :crying:
This bug is so annoying, that I even thought of bringing the HOX back and using my old Desire HD again.
Greetings,
oberbapti
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Just out of Curiosity is the e-mail account you've linked to it a Hotmail account?
As I'm sure this is a hotmail related issue, because I've seen it asked alot, and many people say it only happens with a Hotmail account.
If it is a hotmail account, perhaps you could log into hotmail from a pc, and try to change your font sizes their etc, then see if that in turn funnels down to your HTC Hotmail ?
I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE !!
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Just out of Curiosity is the e-mail account you've linked to it a Hotmail account?
As I'm sure this is a hotmail related issue, because I've seen it asked alot, and many people say it only happens with a Hotmail account.
If it is a hotmail account, perhaps you could log into hotmail from a pc, and try to change your font sizes their etc, then see if that in turn funnels down to your HTC Hotmail ?
I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE !!
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Thank you for your reply. No it's a gmail-account. I got a gmx.net-account too, so this problem
is not account related. I hope there's a solution.
oberbapti said:
Thank you for your reply. No it's a gmail-account. I got a gmx.net-account too, so this problem
is not account related. I hope there's a solution.
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I spoke to somebody from HTC and they are completely denying the problem.
I pointed them to one of the hundreds of reports of this on google and here etc, and he said there was nothing they could do.
Wilks3y said:
I spoke to somebody from HTC and they are completely denying the problem.
I pointed them to one of the hundreds of reports of this on google and here etc, and he said there was nothing they could do.
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There is thread somewhere with a zip file with smaller fonts for the HTC One X.
I, too, think that the fonts on this phone are way too big; however, this is a Sense thing because when used with an AOSP/AOKP/CM10 ROM, the font size is just fine.
Quiksilver78 said:
There is thread somewhere with a zip file with smaller fonts for the HTC One X.
I, too, think that the fonts on this phone are way too big; however, this is a Sense thing because when used with an AOSP/AOKP/CM10 ROM, the font size is just fine.
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I though it was just me...
but i can confirm it also happens when connecting to exchange 2010 email
jason
I thought so...
Hey guys, thanks for your help =)
I thought that HTC would deny the problem as they always do. Maybe I can reach someone at HTC elevate.
@Quiksilver78, can you tell me where to find the .zip file? Thank you :good:
Hey everyone. Maybe I am missing a setting here, maybe not.
On my older Android devices one feature Ive enjoyed was the ability that when deleting an email in the stock mail app, I could choose to go to the next or previous email and not always back to the email list. Is there no way to do this on this device?
GaresTaylan said:
Hey everyone. Maybe I am missing a setting here, maybe not.
On my older Android devices one feature Ive enjoyed was the ability that when deleting an email in the stock mail app, I could choose to go to the next or previous email and not always back to the email list. Is there no way to do this on this device?
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Anyone?
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Anyone?
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it hasn't even been 24 hours yet my man.
patience.
wish I could help.
but I'm sure ppl who can haven't seen this thread, yet.
GaresTaylan said:
Hey everyone. Maybe I am missing a setting here, maybe not.
On my older Android devices one feature Ive enjoyed was the ability that when deleting an email in the stock mail app, I could choose to go to the next or previous email and not always back to the email list. Is there no way to do this on this device?
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In the GMail app under General Settings, there is a "Auto-advance" option. Selections are Advance to "Newer", "Older", or "Conversation List" I think if you select "Newer" it will go to the next newer email. I haven't tested yet.
Im talking about the regular mail app, not gmail. I use it to connect to exchange accounts for work.
All,
The default LG G3 Mail app is kinda meh....I hate the fact it does not allow me to view 'ALL EMAILS' under one, instead I have to manually toggle through my sub folders. I came from HTC One M7 and their mail app was the best I've used.
Can anyone recommend me other alternative that is not Touchdown? I hate the old looking UI of Touchdown.
I'm trying Nine Mail App now...so far so good? Any others?
Thanks!
Nutzzer said:
All,
The default LG G3 Mail app is kinda meh....I hate the fact it does not allow me to view 'ALL EMAILS' under one, instead I have to manually toggle through my sub folders. I came from HTC One M7 and their mail app was the best I've used.
Can anyone recommend me other alternative that is not Touchdown? I hate the old looking UI of Touchdown.
I'm trying Nine Mail App now...so far so good? Any others?
Thanks!
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Cloudmagic. It's a great app - very useful and it integrates with other apps you might use, i.e. Evernote, Pocket, etc.
Nutzzer said:
All,
The default LG G3 Mail app is kinda meh....I hate the fact it does not allow me to view 'ALL EMAILS' under one, instead I have to manually toggle through my sub folders. I came from HTC One M7 and their mail app was the best I've used.
Can anyone recommend me other alternative that is not Touchdown? I hate the old looking UI of Touchdown.
I'm trying Nine Mail App now...so far so good? Any others?
Thanks!
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I like AquaMail, but agree Cloudmagic is good (just hated the UI on Cloudmagic myself - specifically that it felt like I was wasting my huge screen because the app elements were huge themselves).
Take a look at Nine. I use it and like it a lot for my work's exchange email account
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninefolders.hd3&hl=en
Yes, I'm currently using Nine now and its good. I wanted to see what other options are there. CloudMagic looks great, but don't like the fact they store our info/emails in their cloud.
Nine,I like it much more than cloudmagic
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I couldnt get my exchange account work so i istalled stock email app. Working great.
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nsfnd said:
I couldnt get my exchange account work so i istalled stock email app. Working great.
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If you can get the stock KitKat email app to work with Exchange it should be a great option. Much of the same interface and goodness as Gmail, threaded emails, etc, etc. My problem is that I have now tried two phones and at least 5 custom ROMs (on my HTC One X) and I have never been able to get the stock KitKat app to work with Exchange. I have tried CleanROM, Viper, Paranoid, Cyanogen, ASOP, as soon as the OS is 4.4 or newer Exchange simply does not work. Things work with the 4.3 Email.apk and Exchange2.apk but that does not have threading. Yes, I have tried all sorts of posted workarounds, Exchange2Google.apk from various sources, etc, no luck. There are numerous threads out there from people claiming to have this problem. Must be a Google screwup because the Samsung, HTC, and LG OEM apps have absolutely no issues with Exchange under KitKat.
If anyone knows of a workaround please PM me or just respond to this thread.
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If you can get the stock KitKat email app to work with Exchange it should be a great option. Much of the same interface and goodness as Gmail, threaded emails, etc, etc. My problem is that I have now tried two phones and at least 5 custom ROMs (on my HTC One X) and I have never been able to get the stock KitKat app to work with Exchange. I have tried CleanROM, Viper, Paranoid, Cyanogen, ASOP, as soon as the OS is 4.4 or newer Exchange simply does not work. Things work with the 4.3 Email.apk and Exchange2.apk but that does not have threading. Yes, I have tried all sorts of posted workarounds, Exchange2Google.apk from various sources, etc, no luck. There are numerous threads out there from people claiming to have this problem. Must be a Google screwup because the Samsung, HTC, and LG OEM apps have absolutely no issues with Exchange under KitKat.
If anyone knows of a workaround please PM me or just respond to this thread.
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Just suggesting,
I've had a lot of headaches trying to make my exchange work on android.
Auto settings never worked for me, i had to manually type the server user password and such.
My problem was that i was not typing the domain before username.
Im pointing this out because LG email app has a domain field and stock email app doesnt.
So what I do is I fill domain\[email protected] in username field on stock email app, and i use pod51015.outlook.com on server field. And it works like that. Server might be different for you.
nsfnd said:
Just suggesting,
I've had a lot of headaches trying to make my exchange work on android.
Auto settings never worked for me, i had to manually type the server user password and such.
My problem was that i was not typing the domain before username.
Im pointing this out because LG email app has a domain field and stock email app doesnt.
So what I do is I fill domain\[email protected] in username field on stock email app, and i use pod51015.outlook.com on server field. And it works like that. Server might be different for you.
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Yeah, I have seen numerous people suggest that as a workaround but it has never worked for me. Perhaps the email server is not correct, I need to go talk to the IT guys. The annoying part is that the phone vendor email app always successfully auto-configures. It seems that everyone except Google has figured out how to do this correctly.
GroovyGeek said:
Yeah, I have seen numerous people suggest that as a workaround but it has never worked for me. Perhaps the email server is not correct, I need to go talk to the IT guys. The annoying part is that the phone vendor email app always successfully auto-configures. It seems that everyone except Google has figured out how to do this correctly.
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Yeah, IT people here gave me the server info. You should try entering manually next.
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Yeah, IT people here gave me the server info. You should try entering manually next.
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Well, I finally figured out how to make the stock kitkat 4.4 email app work. You can first let something like the oem email all run, then go look at the settings a day then manually reproduce them in the kitkat app. In my case I needed to specify the server as webmail.company.com and select the "all certificates" option.
However, it appears that I was wrong in my claim that the stock kitkat email apk threads. That is not the case.
Nine actually looks quite good, and just when I was wondering how they can afford to give away such a sophisticated polished app I noticed that there is a silent 7 day trial, after which it is pay to play. Seems to be worth the $10.
1st impression of Nine is very good. Paid for the $10 license less than 10 min after installing it.
twosix said:
1st impression of Nine is very good. Paid for the $10 license less than 10 min after installing it.
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It does look very good and the support is incredibly responsive. There is a bit of mystery Engrish in the menu items and some of the settings and UI are far from logical but that is a small price to pay for the functionality.
Do any of these apps integrate exchange emails into appointments on your regular calendar automatically?
Also I'm looking for one that doesn't make me put a ridiculous password on my phone.
theraker007 said:
Do any of these apps integrate exchange emails into appointments on your regular calendar automatically?
Also I'm looking for one that doesn't make me put a ridiculous password on my phone.
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Nine allows for this. Exchange and appointments into regular calendar. You are given the choice of applying security at the app level instead of the device level. So you only have to enter PIN when opening the app...not when unlocking the device.
There is an app called Enhanced Email that allows you to bypass security completely.
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stevieraveon said:
NThere is an app called Enhanced Email that allows you to bypass security completely.
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There are also a number of modules for Xposed that let you do the same at the OS level. The one I like best is called Lockscreen Bypass
I use Mailwise and it works great!
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GroovyGeek said:
There are also a number of modules for Xposed that let you do the same at the OS level. The one I like best is called Lockscreen Bypass
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unfortunately im on ART
Regular person here guys. Shouldn't even be on this forum. You guys are way too advanced for me. But i know just enough to be dangerous. And your the only ones that could help me with this.
I need a regular e-mail client. Just like the stock ones on all my LG's (2,3,4,5). And like all my old HTC phones. All the ones in the app store don't cut it for me. Either missing something or just not right. Mine is a business phone and the stock e-mail i get on all my skinned phones seem to be the best (for what i need). they are basic, simple, clean and just work!!! have notifications without downloading some other app to tell when you get a new e-mail. P.S. I use exchange. Don't like G-mail client for my work account. And don't want to mix my g-mail with work account either. I get over 250 per day.
is there anyway to get one of them? can i get a LG apk and use it on the Pixel? or is theirs themed for their skin? Doesn't have to be LG either. the Sammy one was good and Motorola & HTC also. is it possible or not a chance? Again i would need it to be as easy as downloading a APK. I can't do any of the ADB shell(or whatever it's called)
thanks in advance
I have tried almost all the store ones(just saving you time on telling my to use touchdown or something similar). They are all missing some feature or something that the stock ones I usually use have.
Have you tried Aquamail? I've found it to be better than any of the stock email apps.
there are a handful of great 3rd party Exchange email apps you can use. I would Google some of them and try them out to see which suits you best.
Outlook might be good, K9 I have used in the past. I ended up using Gmail and getting used to it for my Pixel.
If not, I found a link to the Samsung email APK here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tof5r5bpm9nge5p/com.samsung.android.email.provider.apk?dl=0
from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/themes/stock-samsung-email-apk-request-t3389478
iceman4357 said:
there are a handful of great 3rd party Exchange email apps you can use. I would Google some of them and try them out to see which suits you best.
Outlook might be good, K9 I have used in the past. I ended up using Gmail and getting used to it for my Pixel.
If not, I found a link to the Samsung email APK here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tof5r5bpm9nge5p/com.samsung.android.email.provider.apk?dl=0
from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/themes/stock-samsung-email-apk-request-t3389478
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Unless something changed no OEM email client will work with stock Android because the framework is not there.
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danon.brown said:
Unless something changed no OEM email client will work with stock Android because the framework is not there.
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That's what i was wondering Danon. and i think i heard this before. just want to make sure first. and if anyone will know it would be you guys
I like Newton mail. It's a paid app/service, but it's worked very well for me.
21cdb said:
I like Newton mail. It's a paid app/service, but it's worked very well for me.
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Hummmm 21, that one looks clean. I think that might be what i'm looking for.
of course still waiting for stupid phone. But i will be trying that one. Don't care if paid or not. Willing to pay if it's what i'm looking for. clean and stock looking. and works flawlessly with exchange(which i have not been able to find yet)
thanks for the tip.
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Hummmm 21, that one looks clean. I think that might be what i'm looking for.
of course still waiting for stupid phone. But i will be trying that one. Don't care if paid or not. Willing to pay if it's what i'm looking for. clean and stock looking. and works flawlessly with exchange(which i have not been able to find yet)
thanks for the tip.
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Newton mail is awesome but it's $50 a year. Search boxer. Great app
$50 a a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't know that. Don't think I can do that.
wedgemoose said:
Hummmm 21, that one looks clean. I think that might be what i'm looking for.
of course still waiting for stupid phone. But i will be trying that one. Don't care if paid or not. Willing to pay if it's what i'm looking for. clean and stock looking. and works flawlessly with exchange(which i have not been able to find yet)
thanks for the tip.
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I too struggle with emails .. I'm always looking for something better .. as I told you I like boxer I have to retract that statement. Alto may just be the best email app I've ever used. Super clean and smooth interface. Mark as read option for notifications instead of just archive . All inbox option. It's phenomenal dude. Try it out
ANTHONY81L said:
I too struggle with emails .. I'm always looking for something better .. as I told you I like boxer I have to retract that statement. Alto may just be the best email app I've ever used. Super clean and smooth interface. Mark as read option for notifications instead of just archive . All inbox option. It's phenomenal dude. Try it out
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I'll tell you this Ant. I don't have my phone yet but co-worker does. I got it for him. So it's basically mine when ever i need to do something on it.
Just loaded Alto and it looks good. Real good!!!! Just like a stock skinned type e-mail client. Waiting to test badge count and everything else. But this is definitely the cleanest client I have seen(yes their boring but that's what I need for work).
No badge count yet but nine took a few hours for everything to start working and to get a count..
thanks!!!!
wedgemoose said:
I'll tell you this Ant. I don't have my phone yet but co-worker does. I got it for him. So it's basically mine when ever i need to do something on it.
Just loaded Alto and it looks good. Real good!!!! Just like a stock skinned type e-mail client. Waiting to test badge count and everything else. But this is definitely the cleanest client I have seen(yes their boring but that's what I need for work).
No badge count yet but nine took a few hours for everything to start working and to get a count..
thanks!!!!
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If your using the Pixel launcher you won't get a badge count with any app. If your using Nova then you need to have Tesla unread installed from the play store and then turn Alto on in the settings.
Nine got it. Worked perfect actually. Every e-mail had a count. He just wants to get rid of it now because it's asking him to pay all of a sudden. Me personally have no problem paying. I just don't love the looks of Nine
Have you tried the Blackberry Hub? It's more than an email client (and the subscription includes more apps), but I've found it a really clean and easy app to use. It fixes my biggest gripe about GMail (i.e. threaded emails when using Gmail accounts).
Try Nine. I was addicted to the stock one as well until I used nine.
TypeApp, formerly known as Blue Mail.
I've tried a couple dozen over the years and this is the one I've liked the best.
Push, themes, tons of customization, free.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trtf.blue
It might be a little too fancy/customizable for you though?
wedgemoose said:
Regular person here guys. Shouldn't even be on this forum. You guys are way too advanced for me. But i know just enough to be dangerous. And your the only ones that could help me with this.
I need a regular e-mail client. Just like the stock ones on all my LG's (2,3,4,5). And like all my old HTC phones. All the ones in the app store don't cut it for me. Either missing something or just not right. Mine is a business phone and the stock e-mail i get on all my skinned phones seem to be the best (for what i need). they are basic, simple, clean and just work!!! have notifications without downloading some other app to tell when you get a new e-mail. P.S. I use exchange. Don't like G-mail client for my work account. And don't want to mix my g-mail with work account either. I get over 250 per day.
is there anyway to get one of them? can i get a LG apk and use it on the Pixel? or is theirs themed for their skin? Doesn't have to be LG either. the Sammy one was good and Motorola & HTC also. is it possible or not a chance? Again i would need it to be as easy as downloading a APK. I can't do any of the ADB shell(or whatever it's called)
thanks in advance
I have tried almost all the store ones(just saving you time on telling my to use touchdown or something similar). They are all missing some feature or something that the stock ones I usually use have.
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I would suggest Type Mail, I have found it to be an excellent email app!
I am currently using mailwise https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.syntomo.email
For my corprate exchange has some nice features i like the way it threads emails they have a free ver and a pay ver but it is a one time purchess to unlock a few features
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Birdsfan said:
I would suggest Type Mail, I have found it to be an excellent email app!
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We just tried that one and not for me. All of these are like the ones I already tried. they all do something but not all thing I need. and please don't take this as an insult. Thanks VERY much for helping
Nine seems to be the closest. I get over 300 e-mails a day so I HAVE to have a badge count. Nine is the only one so far that does it. But even Nine isn't close to the skinned clients.
I just don't get it. Why can skin company's that we make fun of do perfect e-mail but not Google. Yes if i didn't have a job or was still a kid in high school G-mail would be fine. But it sucks for business(especially because of that stupid conversation type threading). But why doesn't Google allow for badge count. Everyone wants that. I've never heard of a person saying they don't. Nor is there a reason to not want it on everything that needs one(Text, e-mail, voicemail). Google is a business. I just can't figure this part out. Wake up google. I can't remember what I used back in my Gnex days(last time i had a pure android phone). but whatever it was i liked it.
i just don't get it!!!!! but i'll adapt and get over it. So far Nine seems to be the most professional.
rurigokou said:
I am currently using mailwise https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.syntomo.email
For my corprate exchange has some nice features i like the way it threads emails they have a free ver and a pay ver but it is a one time purchess to unlock a few features
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Very first one we tried.