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Okay, basically I'm coming over from the windows mobile flashing world and I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around some of the concepts I'm running into with android on the EVO here.
Let me just start off by saying that I've read a lot of threads in here, and I think there's even a better than 50% chance that I'm successfully rooted with NAND and with recovery all done. Probably multiple times. Also, I've set my wife up with a nice android 1.6 warm donut HTC Touch (vogue) and it's working great for her. That said, if someone could address my questions here, it'd go a LONG way to getting me on my way.
Thanks.
1. I appear to have successfully rooted my phone SEVERAL times, via TOAST's method and via the super sweet simpleroot deal ... but if that's the case, how come I've *never* been able to just install the android wifi tether and have it run without jumping through any other hoops? Yes, I can run unrevoked and then it asks me for SU permissions and everything is all good but I can't ever do it without unrevoked. I've even been able to install titanium backup and it'll complain that it doesn't have busybox... which I then install and then it SEEMS like it's cool and that it thinks it's rooted BUT WHY CAN"T I GET TETHER TO WORK WITHOUT DOING *EXTRA* ROOTING???
Also, rom manager will install and start but won't reboot into recovery for me or anything fancy. Which makes me really wonder what's going on.
Okay, onto the next one.
2. Okay, I can get the new recovery on there but I'm a little unclear on how to actually flash a rom from there. I'll throw a zip of a rom on the SD card and then I'll get into the recovery which I *believe* I do with the reboot and hold down volume, right? Either way, I know I've been in the black and green recovery screen and picked some menu option that seemed related to loading a rom from a zip or something but then nothing of note happened. It appeared to be installing SOMETHING but then when I start up my different rom, it appears to just be the same rom.
I'm sorry for these total newbie questions but it seemed more straightforward on windows mobile, even though this seems like this has TONS more potential. Any help someone could point me to, even in just listing out the work flow for a normal flashing of a rom would be SUPER helpful. I just don't know what to think of 'recovery' and NAND and all that as as it pertains to actually getting root and new roms onto my device.
Thanks a ton to anyone that bothers to clear this up for me.
Once you are rooted, you don't want to flash the stock unrooted ROM, I think. I would get joeyrkim's stock rooted ROM or something similar.
You also don't need unrEVOked. When you root, you should have an app called Superuser Permissions that will prompt you whenever an app asks for su (admin) permissions.
Right after you root, you probably have toast's dev ROM (not sure what it is called exactly, it is the ROM contained within the PC36IMG.zip if I understand correctly) on your phone. I don't think that one is supposed to be used, but I think it is supposed to be flashed over right after. If you just want a stock experience with root, I think you should snag joeyrkim's stock ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699847
Make sure you update your radio too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696462
I dunno if joeyrkim's ROM comes with the superuser app, which is kinda essential so flash this after flashing everything:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=682828 "su-2.1-cd-signed.zip"
Try rooting again (I recommend manually, not using the scripts). I don't like Clockwork recovery altogether too much, so I flashed Amon_Ra recovery (I think) and left it at that. The root process should give you a custom recovery though (Part 2).
To flash a ROM:
Go into recovery using a method you have.
From there you should go to Backup/Restore and do a Nand backup, just in case.
Then go to wipe and wipe data, cache, and dalvik cache. The one I use wipes data and cache together.
Then go to Flash ZIP from SD or something similar and select the zip you want to flash.
If you keep having problems, I think you should root the manual way. It is more involved and time consuming, but IMO it will give you a greater understanding of the process and stop the smaller glitches the automated root has, if it has any.
I currently have WiFi tether running perfectly. I don't use ROM Manager, though.
I hope this helps... And anyone correct me if I am wrong. I am pretty new to the scene myself.
This was actually SUPER helpful, I didn't realize that 'rooting' itself doesn't really get you root, it just gets you the ability to get a rooted rom on there. I think that, combined with the other things you told me should allow me to FINALLY move forward on my EVO. Thanks!
I'll give my question first, then the history. I tried to search the EVO 4G subforums and couldn't seem to find it. If there's a post on this please kindly point me in the right direction.
Regardless of which ROM I install on my EVO except for what I understand is the engineering ROM or possibly the stock ROM, I go into a boot loop.
History:
- Did not install any updates or use unrevoked after receiving my EVO
- Did the root method known as "part 1" before NAND unlocking was available, never did any system updates. It seemed I had root because I was able to use the sudo "allow" or "deny" and use Wifi Tether in AP mode successfully (the open source APK)
- Was having some random reboot issues so I decided I needed to finally get an updated, custom ROM on my phone
- Yesterday spent many hours trying to get SimpleRoot to root my phone. However, ROM Manager keeps complaining it can't do privileged commands
- I was able to get Clockwork Recovery onto my phone finally using Unrevoked 3 just to get it on there (with what I know as the engineering ROM)
- Used clockwork to try and install Fresh 1.0.1, DamageControl v3.1.2 or seemingly anything other than that same engineering ROM (that has the HTC logo and sound) puts it into a boot loop. Also Clockwork (the APK) complains it still can't run privileged commands on that ROM from SimpleRoot.
I've been flashing a Kaiser/Tilt since forever but still pretty newb on Android but trying to learn fast. Love my EVO!
If there is any more information I can provide to help someone help me please let me know and hopefully this can help others not go astray as I have...
EDIT: Oh, yes and I read some of the troubleshooting information for different ROMs and one said to reformat sd-ext but my SD card is just formatted how it comes from the factory. I would really like to keep it that way unless it is a must for installing custom ROMs on the EVO. Clockwork did not seem to be able to do the partitioning for me.
EDIT: Now resolved after following thoroughly the directions listed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
Thanks for helping me out!
aikeru said:
I'll give my question first, then the history. I tried to search the EVO 4G subforums and couldn't seem to find it. If there's a post on this please kindly point me in the right direction.
Regardless of which ROM I install on my EVO except for what I understand is the engineering ROM or possibly the stock ROM, I go into a boot loop.
History:
- Did not install any updates or use unrevoked after receiving my EVO
- Did the root method known as "part 1" before NAND unlocking was available, never did any system updates. It seemed I had root because I was able to use the sudo "allow" or "deny" and use Wifi Tether in AP mode successfully (the open source APK)
- Was having some random reboot issues so I decided I needed to finally get an updated, custom ROM on my phone
- Yesterday spent many hours trying to get SimpleRoot to root my phone. However, ROM Manager keeps complaining it can't do privileged commands
- I was able to get Clockwork Recovery onto my phone finally using Unrevoked 3 just to get it on there (with what I know as the engineering ROM)
- Used clockwork to try and install Fresh 1.0.1, DamageControl v3.1.2 or seemingly anything other than that same engineering ROM (that has the HTC logo and sound) puts it into a boot loop. Also Clockwork (the APK) complains it still can't run privileged commands on that ROM from SimpleRoot.
I've been flashing a Kaiser/Tilt since forever but still pretty newb on Android but trying to learn fast. Love my EVO!
If there is any more information I can provide to help someone help me please let me know and hopefully this can help others not go astray as I have...
EDIT: Oh, yes and I read some of the troubleshooting information for different ROMs and one said to reformat sd-ext but my SD card is just formatted how it comes from the factory. I would really like to keep it that way unless it is a must for installing custom ROMs on the EVO. Clockwork did not seem to be able to do the partitioning for me.
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i had a similar issue, and so did a few people. i wrote out a post some time ago, i don't know if you read it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7204861&postcount=4
try that out. let me know how it goes.
EDIT: it also sounds like you don't have nand unlocked.
Thank you for your quick reply! I will try it and report back what I did, what works/didn't.
As a side note...
Since I have Clockwork on the recovery (I can boot to recovery all day long just using volume up and clockwork is there) doesn't that mean NAND is unlocked? Anyway, thank you again.
aikeru said:
Thank you for your quick reply! I will try it and report back what I did, what works/didn't.
As a side note...
Since I have Clockwork on the recovery (I can boot to recovery all day long just using volume up and clockwork is there) doesn't that mean NAND is unlocked? Anyway, thank you again.
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having a boot recovery program doesn't necessarily mean you have nand unlocked. the ability to flash custom roms does though. good luck! i know it's frustrating, but keep at it.
silly question but are you wiping correctly ?
I had to ask...
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silly question but are you wiping correctly ?
I had to ask...
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i almost spilled my drink LOL
elegantai said:
silly question but are you wiping correctly ?
I had to ask...
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lol XD nice ... any comeback I can think of just goes way too far
Well, I've downloaded the files so sometime this evening/tonight I should have results. That post links to what appears to be a very, very thorough set of instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
So I'll go through the whole thing there and of course report back
aikeru said:
lol XD nice ... any comeback I can think of just goes way too far
Well, I've downloaded the files so sometime this evening/tonight I should have results. That post links to what appears to be a very, very thorough set of instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
So I'll go through the whole thing there and of course report back
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lol good luck buddy. it's a relatively easy walkthrough if you follow it closely. post up any questions you have.
Hi--I am a generally technically adept Evo owner who would like to root to a Froyo custom ROM, but I've never had to root anything before. I've read threads meant to act as guides (like those linked in the sticky thread), but there seems like so much I don't understand. I know these are simple questions, but my searching didn't really help. I'd be really grateful if anyone had any helpful answers.
Question 1: Does anyone have any recommendations for the best custom ROM that will have these features?:
Froyo (of course)
SenseUI (I prefer it, but have nothing against stock Android)
Ability to restore my apps (via Titanium Backup, I assume)
Unlocked wifi tethering (via app or Froyo's in-built capability)
Unlocked FPS (I have a Novatec panel)
Same or better camera/video capabilities as stock SenseUI (i.e., nothing broken at least)
My current software: Stock Evo, no OTA updates applied, with Superuser Unrevoked permissions.
(That is, I have not applied any OTA updates since I bought it, June 11th. I'm running 2.1-update1, version 1.32.651.6. I did the Unrevoked 1-click "root" that in fact only gave me Superuser permissions (the Unrevoked that was first released, not the Unrevoked2 or 3 updates). I.e., I can use the wifi tether and Titanium Backup, and I've backed up my apps/settings with it.)
Question 2: Can anyone tell me in a simplest method to safely root and install the custom ROM, considering I have no OTA updates and unrevoked superuser permissions?
Specifically, I've read guides that list 3 steps (gaining root permissions, unlocking NAND, gaining "full" root), but I still have a lot of questions:
What does it mean to "flash a recovery"?
[*]When do I have to manually install radio updates, and how do I know which ones I need?
[*]If I decide I'd rather go back to stock, ever, can I do that?
[*]What is the likelihood of a brick, and can I repair a brick?
[*]Can Titanium Backup really restore all my apps after I do a full wipe and root? (just to calm my anxiety, please...)
The best guide I've seen is the "IDIOT-PROOF" root guide, at thread 701004 (sorry, new user restriction, can't post links), but I don't know if it's still current. That also seems more complex than SimpleRoot (also don't know if it's current).
I think I'm looking for the simplest root method with the least possibility of screwing everything up. (It pains me to say it, but a brainless iPhone-like "slide-to-jailbreak" method would be great.)
Sorry for the newbie questions. If anyone has any advice/answers, I'd be glad to hear them!
Well best bet for you is probably going to be either the one click simpleroot, you can go to simpleroot.com its there for download. Of course it depends on exactly what software version you are on. As far as your rom choice there is no rom that offers all of those things, probably closest will be stock rooted 2.2, then you can either live with the 30fps restriction or flash a custome kernel and live with 3mp camera .... you're choice. the recovery is a program that the phone boots into that has nothing to do with the rom at all, with this you can select several operation to make on the rom. You need recovery because you cant modify the rom when you are booted in the rom. Anyway this is all a very basic explanation. My recommendation would be to follow toasts part 1 then part 2 to root and unlock nand. (unlocking nand allows writing and writing to the system area of the rom while booted into the rom) then you will be all set to flash any rom you like. feel free to pm if you need more info As far as knowing what you need I would recommend starting with netarchy's stock rooted 2.2 odexed version. In his post he will tell you flash rom then radio then wimax, all of these files are included there in the post. Then as you learn you can switch between roms to explore what each one can do for you and decide which you like best. Yes Titanium backuop will work with this.
For me and I have flashed every rom lol. Daily driver would have to be the fastest and stabliest rom which is in my opinion Caulkins v1.02 froyo. Use simple root for 1.32. Then use the flash recovery and pick ra recovery.
ifly4vamerica said:
As far as your rom choice there is no rom that offers all of those things, probably closest will be stock rooted 2.2, then you can either live with the 30fps restriction or flash a custome kernel and live with 3mp camera .... you're choice.
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Really? How about a ROM with, say, just 2.2 + SenseUI, with all the standard features, and wifi tether enabled?
Thanks for the advice, by the way, both of you.
ScaryBugThing said:
Hi--I am a generally technically adept Evo owner who would like to root to a Froyo custom ROM, but I've never had to root anything before. I've read threads meant to act as guides (like those linked in the sticky thread), but there seems like so much I don't understand. I know these are simple questions, but my searching didn't really help. I'd be really grateful if anyone had any helpful answers.
Question 1: Does anyone have any recommendations for the best custom ROM that will have these features?:
Froyo (of course)
SenseUI (I prefer it, but have nothing against stock Android)
Ability to restore my apps (via Titanium Backup, I assume)
Unlocked wifi tethering (via app or Froyo's in-built capability)
Unlocked FPS (I have a Novatec panel)
Same or better camera/video capabilities as stock SenseUI (i.e., nothing broken at least)
My current software: Stock Evo, no OTA updates applied, with Superuser Unrevoked permissions.
(That is, I have not applied any OTA updates since I bought it, June 11th. I'm running 2.1-update1, version 1.32.651.6. I did the Unrevoked 1-click "root" that in fact only gave me Superuser permissions (the Unrevoked that was first released, not the Unrevoked2 or 3 updates). I.e., I can use the wifi tether and Titanium Backup, and I've backed up my apps/settings with it.)
Question 2: Can anyone tell me in a simplest method to safely root and install the custom ROM, considering I have no OTA updates and unrevoked superuser permissions?
Specifically, I've read guides that list 3 steps (gaining root permissions, unlocking NAND, gaining "full" root), but I still have a lot of questions:
What does it mean to "flash a recovery"?
[*]When do I have to manually install radio updates, and how do I know which ones I need?
[*]If I decide I'd rather go back to stock, ever, can I do that?
[*]What is the likelihood of a brick, and can I repair a brick?
[*]Can Titanium Backup really restore all my apps after I do a full wipe and root? (just to calm my anxiety, please...)
The best guide I've seen is the "IDIOT-PROOF" root guide, at thread 701004 (sorry, new user restriction, can't post links), but I don't know if it's still current. That also seems more complex than SimpleRoot (also don't know if it's current).
I think I'm looking for the simplest root method with the least possibility of screwing everything up. (It pains me to say it, but a brainless iPhone-like "slide-to-jailbreak" method would be great.)
Sorry for the newbie questions. If anyone has any advice/answers, I'd be glad to hear them!
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I'd like to suggest something before you actually move forward. I usually back up with MyBackup and with Titanium backup. I am completely rooted and nand unlocked but something i've seen Titanium for some reason after i grant it superuser tell me my phone isn't rooted on different roms, also i have seen Mybackup crash the sense and try to reboot it over and over in a loop. Luckily I did a Nandroid restore to a more stable setup. Some of the other forum members here are more likely than not less new to the process than myself, but I thought i had covered everything and when i did simple root, I was on 1.47, with the factory reset and everything lost my data... luckily it wasn't a lot or important. I just thought i'd let you know that it is not a bad thing to have a zipped backup of all of your apks+data, and your contacts with both programs before you go ahead. Hope that possibly can steer you out of trouble if one of them fails to perform as it should. Best of luck.
Exohart said:
I'd like to suggest something before you actually move forward. I usually back up with MyBackup and with Titanium backup. ... Hope that possibly can steer you out of trouble if one of them fails to perform as it should. Best of luck.
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Cool, thanks for the tip.
You can get a rooted stock 2.2 ROM, odexed or deodexed. Then you can install a wifi tether app. Personally, I use Fresh 3.1.0.1, I don't notice any differences in general to stock, but you should probably just try different ROMs out and see which one you like. It's easy to switch around.
See this for ROMs.
As for rooting, You can use Simple Root, but I highly suggest doing it yourself using toast's or TheBiles' guides. You learn a lot and it's the same thing as using Simple Root, but you can deal with problems better (although I didn't have any issues when I did mine).
See here for guides.
There is a lot of info on how to get around any issues you have, so be sure to search if you do run into trouble.
And if you need the files for rooting, check here.
Awesome response, SilverZero, thanks! I'm starting to feel comfortable with the rooting procedure.
I think the difficulty I have in choosing a ROM is that many ROM threads don't list conclusively whether a feature works or not. So, for instance, I presume that the Fresh ROM has a fully working camera (8MP/720P with all settings), but I've read other ROM threads that talk about downgraded camera bugs, so I am not sure if I should assume things work fine. Conversely, I think wifi tethering doesn't work, since it *seems* to suggest it isn't working, but doesn't flat-out say so...
I don't suppose some source exists somewhere that lists/compares all of these ROMs' features in a table format, listing whether they work or not, or are downgraded? Having something like that in a central, often-updated location would be incredibly useful...
I used toast's method for rooting, and havent had any problems whatsoever. All I had to do after that, was install the new RA recovery image ( was more current ).
Is this the simplest way? probably not. But, i perfer doing the method with the most manual work. Automated processes tend to scare me, 'oh, our mod does steps 1 through 19 all at once'... well, thats fine, but what happens when it fails half way through? Toast's method, while a bit involved, is pretty simple, and if something happens, you can go "hey, when i do this command <whatever>, it does this, helps?!".
as for your 'questions 2s'
1: Are you sure you dont mean, flash from recovery? recovery is where you do all of your flashing, do your nandroid backups, and wiping. theres 3 ways to get there ( once your rooted/nand unlocked ).. volume -, and power while the phone is off, hold it til you get the menu. use quickboot ( a feature of damagecontrol mod ), or use adb using a command prompt on windows ( adb reboot recovery ).
2: Most people install radio updates when they go to change to new roms. The reason being, 2.2 'code' is based around having a certain radio version, and for things like 4g, and good 3g signal, you need to match.
personally, every time i go to install a new rom, i verify what the most recent radio version is out there, and install it ( same with wimax )
3: Once you are fully rooted, there are walktrhoughs for 'starting over / going back to stock'.. but I would just use one of the rooted stock images, as it gives you the ability to change your mind. for instance, right now 2.2 isnt rootable, so if you changed your mind after switching back to it, your kind of screwed. I'm not sure if the engineering image you install for root would go away if you reverted to stock/root though, as have never tried.
4: as long as you have the phone rooted, any 'bricking' that i have caused ( boot loops, power turning off on boot, etc ), were easily recoverable by just booting into recovery and reflashing. the only way I could see bricking in a totally bad way, would be if you somehow messed up the rooting process and corrupted the bootloader in such a way it couldnt recover. Otherwise, i have yet to see a rom that will flash / change your bootloader or recovery image, so it shouldnt be an issue.
5: It can, but i've seen issues where backing up stuff from a 2.1 rom, and installing a 2.2, causes weird issues. its safer to just redownload them if you are using a 2.2 rom. Another benefit of 2.2, is now google backs up your app selection you had installed, so when you wipe / flash a new rom, it auto-reinstalls all your apps you had from before ( it doesnt backup your settings though, just the applications themselves ).
ScaryBugThing said:
Awesome response, SilverZero, thanks! I'm starting to feel comfortable with the rooting procedure.
I think the difficulty I have in choosing a ROM is that many ROM threads don't list conclusively whether a feature works or not. So, for instance, I presume that the Fresh ROM has a fully working camera (8MP/720P with all settings), but I've read other ROM threads that talk about downgraded camera bugs, so I am not sure if I should assume things work fine. Conversely, I think wifi tethering doesn't work, since it *seems* to suggest it isn't working, but doesn't flat-out say so...
I don't suppose some source exists somewhere that lists/compares all of these ROMs' features in a table format, listing whether they work or not, or are downgraded? Having something like that in a central, often-updated location would be incredibly useful...
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Here's a project that one user is putting together comparing different ROMs.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aguc0npJCrWxdEFyU2NRNG1jNnRkY2trdXBsYlJLdWc&hl=en#gid=0
imiddlet said:
I used toast's method for rooting, ...
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Wow, thank you for taking the time--you really answered all of my questions.
SilverZero said:
Here's a project that one user is putting together comparing different ROMs.
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Greeeeat. Exactly what I was looking for.
You guys are awesome--I think I know what I need to know now, and in the next few days I will probably try rooting and installing Fresh Evo or BakedSnack. I'll update once I know how it went!
Urg...Well, I did the manual root method. Everything went fine through the initial root (using the classic method by toastcfh), and through the manual recovery mode where I made a nandroid backup.
Then, in recovery mode, I attempted to flash the latest Fresh Evo 3.1.0.1. It gave me no error messages, and I rebooted.
Now, it is stuck on an infinite reboot at the Fresh Evo ("FRESH!!!") bootup animation. It just keeps running that animation, never loading up. I've let that animation run about 15 times before I had to pull the battery to make it stop. Any time I try to boot the phone, I am stuck at that infinite reboot/load sequence.
The only thing I could do was hold Vol- while powering up to get into the bootloader and redo my stock root. I redid the Fresh Evo install, and it still just keeps rebooting for 10 minutes, before I pull the battery. I'll try Baked Snack next, but I don't want to press my luck with too many flashes... Any ideas anyone?
ScaryBugThing said:
Urg...Well, I did the manual root method. Everything went fine through the initial root (using the classic method by toastcfh), and through the manual recovery mode where I made a nandroid backup.
Then, in recovery mode, I attempted to flash the latest Fresh Evo 3.1.0.1. It gave me no error messages, and I rebooted.
Now, it is stuck on an infinite reboot at the Fresh Evo ("FRESH!!!") bootup animation. It just keeps running that animation, never loading up. I've let that animation run about 15 times before I had to pull the battery to make it stop. Any time I try to boot the phone, I am stuck at that infinite reboot/load sequence.
Anyone have any advice? Am I screwed?
The only thing I think I can do is hold Vol- while powering up to get into the bootloader and have it check PC36IMG, after which it gives me the same normal root Step 1 option to "Start Update" (Vol+ for yes, Vol- for no). Will this just restore to "stock" root? I'd like to get FreshEvo working somehow...
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Try doing a full wipe, Data, Dalvik Cache, everything except the SD card. Then try reflashing the ROM. That was how I had to fix mine when it did the same thing.
Also don't forget to update your Radio, WiMax and Recovery if you havent already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6877247&postcount=98
As far as the best ROM is concerned I've been using SteelH's deodexed stock ROM with the netarchy-toastmod kernel and it's been running great. FPS are unlocked, its quick as hell and my battery life is excellent.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=743781
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763
xHausx said:
Try doing a full wipe, Data, Dalvik Cache, everything except the SD card. Then try reflashing the ROM. That was how I had to fix mine when it did the same thing.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, I did a double-wipe (cache, dalvik cache, and data/factory reset x2) before each of the 3 times I tried to install Fresh Evo. Same infinite reboot loop always.
Then I installed Baked Snack just now. I was able to actually boot (54 fps looks great!) but ROM Manager was giving me an error message about flashing the Recovery replacement, Wifi Tether force closed every time I opened it, and every time I plugged in the USB cable, it would disconnect about 2 seconds later, rendering the phone essentially useless since it wouldn't recharge or accept files in that two seconds.
So now I'm flashing back the stock root image, PC36IMG.zip.
I guess this isn't going very well. If anyone has any advice about these problems I'm having, I'm still in the depths of rooting hell. I appreciate the SteelH suggestions. Maybe I'll try that next. But it's definitely worrying me that every ROM I try has some major problems.
ScaryBugThing said:
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, I did a double-wipe (cache, dalvik cache, and data/factory reset x2) before each of the 3 times I tried to install Fresh Evo. Same infinite reboot loop always.
Then I installed Baked Snack just now. I was able to actually boot (54 fps looks great!) but ROM Manager was giving me an error message about flashing the Recovery replacement, Wifi Tether forced close every time I opened it, and every time I plugged in the USB cable, it would disconnect about 2 seconds later, rendering the phone essentially useless since it wouldn't recharge or accept files in that two seconds.
So now I'm flashing back the stock root image, PC36IMG.zip.
I guess this isn't going very well. If anyone has any advice about these problems I'm having, I'm still in the depths of rooting hell. I appreciate the SteelH suggestions. Maybe I'll try that next. But it's definitely worrying me that every ROM I try has some major problems.
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if you're using clockwork try switching to Amon-RA. That may be whats doing it
xHausx said:
if you're using clockwork try switching to Amon-RA. That may be whats doing it
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Thanks for the suggestion and the very fast responses. I'll give Amon-RA a shot, if I can install it. (note: I didn't use Rom Manager to install any actual ROMs here--it was just what I was about to begin using.)
Sorry if I have so many questions, but: What is the best method to flash Amon-RA recovery? Rom Manager seemed easy because you could simply download the program, run it, and choose an option in the settings menu to replace the stock Recovery.
For Amon-RA, there are two options--fastboot, and adb. I only have a vague idea of what these are and how to make them work.
As an UPDATE: I installed SteelH's ROM, and it booted, but it definitely didn't have 54 fps on mine (clearly 30 fps, Novatec panel FWIW), and I had the same problem with the USB cable disconnecting 2 seconds after plugging it in. I of course wiped everything before installing.
So I'm trying to figure out if I did something wrong in my original root--though it seemed to work fine. Could a locked NAND be causing these problems?
ScaryBugThing said:
Thanks for the suggestion and the very fast responses. I'll give Amon-RA a shot, if I can install it. (note: I didn't use Rom Manager to install any actual ROMs here--it was just what I was about to begin using.)
Sorry if I have so many questions, but: What is the best method to flash Amon-RA recovery? Rom Manager seemed easy because you could simply download the program, run it, and choose an option in the settings menu to replace the stock Recovery.
For Amon-RA, there are two options--fastboot, and adb. I only have a vague idea of what these are and how to make them work.
As an UPDATE: I installed SteelH's ROM, and it booted, but it definitely didn't have 54 fps on mine (clearly 30 fps, Novatec panel FWIW), and I had the same problem with the USB cable disconnecting 2 seconds after plugging it in. I of course wiped everything before installing.
So I'm trying to figure out if I did something wrong in my original root--though it seemed to work fine. Could a locked NAND be causing these problems?
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I used the fastboot method earlier and it was a piece of cake. Just move the recovery to the Tools folder for the SDK, put your phone in fastboot mode and copy paste the two lines in a cmd prompt to install it. I was bored reading through the recovery thread I linked to earlier and apparently clockwork is not wiping properly, others were also having problems with Fresh because of it.
For the FPS fix that is done in the kernel so you would need to flash a custom one.
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I used the fastboot method earlier and it was a piece of cake. Just move the recovery to the Tools folder for the SDK, put your phone in fastboot mode and copy paste the two lines in a cmd prompt to install it. I was bored reading through the recovery thread I linked to earlier and apparently clockwork is not wiping properly, others were also having problems with Fresh because of it.
For the FPS fix that is done in the kernel so you would need to flash a custom one.
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I tried to do as instructed. I rebooted into Fastboot mode on my phone, verified the device was seen by fastboot on my PC, then entered:
C:\android-sdk-windows\tools>fastboot flash recovery recovery-RA-evo-v1.7.0.1.img
sending 'recovery' (5032 KB)... OKAY [ 1.406s]
writing 'recovery'... INFOsignature checking...
FAILED (remote: signature verify fail)
finished. total time: 2.094s
I tried to redownload the file, but the same result occurred.
EDIT: I was able to flash the Amon-RA recovery, going back to toast's instructions. I don't know why it wasn't flashed before...
I'm also not sure that my wiping the data is the problem--I wiped factory settings/cache/dalvik cache each time using only the stock recovery. I think my mentioning Rom Manager might have suggested I used that program to wipe my data, but I haven't done so...
Anyway, I appreciate the help. This is tough for me--I can't seem to get anything to work.
EDIT2: Problems solved! Indeed, I had not properly unlocked NAND. I redid the toast NAND unlock steps, and Fresh Evo installed on the first try!
My only remaining question: how do I flash a kernel? I simply flash a ROM and then the kernel? I think Fresh Evo is great, but fps2d is still showing me locked at 30 fps.
EDIT3: I think I found the answer. Flash it like any other ROM from zip. (Doing it with Netarchy's Kernel 4.0.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763 )
(Probably looks silly reading me answer my own questions, but I thought it was better to look stupid if it might help a future beginner like me.)
Just my oppinion simpleroot never really worked for me and ive read bad things about unrevoked so just follow toasts method to rooting it is very simple and straight forward, as for rom i prefer baked snack themed version it is by far the most sexy rom i have seen it uses manups theme and u can enhance it even more, its very stable and has no fps cap on it, as well as both cameras work and video recording works, im not sure if blue tooth has been fixed yet and am not sure if 4g works because i dont have it where i live try it out and tell me what u think.
So...Everything works! A couple of final notes in case it ever helps anyone in the future:
Note 1: The call part of the phone was not working well at all. I could send and receive calls, and hear the other party, but the audio was very noisy and the other party didn't hear my voice when I talk.
I tried to update PRL and Profile, but I got an error code 1012: "The profile update could not be completed. Please try again later. If the problem persists, you may need to contact customer service. Error code:1012"
I thought the problem might be me overwriting some system files with Titanium Backup (though I was careful). But when I tried wiping factory settings/cache/dalvik cache, and rebooted, still the same problems. Ultimately, it turned out simply that Sprint's servers were down, so I couldn't update my profile/PRL. I finally was able to update the Profile and PRL (now 60669) when they came back up, and everything seems to be working.
Note 2: I realized too late that I lost all of my visual voicemails. I don't think there's a way to restore them, and I don't know if there's any way to back them up. But something to think about if you've racked up a fair amount of downloaded visual voicemails.
Thanks everyone for your help.
Ok, basically I discovered cyanogen 7 about a week ago and was pure ''
well since then I have gone from knowing nothing at all to having a rooted 2.2 (stock rom) GSM desire (A8181 - whatever that actually means), S -ON
I rooted with unrevoked and have clockworkmod 2.something.
now from what i understand I need to S -OFF so that I can use a program (run on the phone from ROM manager) to upgrade clockwork to 3.x then (correct me if i'm wrong, I'm a total noob dont forget xD) I can use ROM manager to download CM7 and instal all on the phone?
is that right? if not could someone please correct me
I've done a NANDroid backup
i think thats all i want to say :')
I get confused when browsing forums because people talk about things, especially abbreviations, that mean nothing to me xD
Thanks for the help guys
spears93 said:
Ok, basically I discovered cyanogen 7 about a week ago and was pure ''
well since then I have gone from knowing nothing at all to having a rooted 2.2 (stock rom) GSM desire (A8181 - whatever that actually means), S -ON
I rooted with unrevoked and have clockworkmod 2.something.
now from what i understand I need to S -OFF so that I can use a program (run on the phone from ROM manager) to upgrade clockwork to 3.x then (correct me if i'm wrong, I'm a total noob dont forget xD) I can use ROM manager to download CM7 and instal all on the phone?
is that right? if not could someone please correct me
I've done a NANDroid backup
i think thats all i want to say :')
I get confused when browsing forums because people talk about things, especially abbreviations, that mean nothing to me xD
Thanks for the help guys
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not an expert on the S-OFF side of things but ive been flashing various ROMS without ever needing to S-OFF.
Been using LeeDroid and now GingerVillain (and tried a few more along the way).
For info the GingerVillain has CM7 stuff in it and is pretty stable. Once you have flashed GingerVillain once it has its own setup for flashing updates/patches etc.
But you are right to always take a nandroid backup first. the one time i forgot my flash screwed up
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not an expert on the S-OFF side of things but ive been flashing various ROMS without ever needing to S-OFF.
Been using LeeDroid and now GingerVillain (and tried a few more along the way).
For info the GingerVillain has CM7 stuff in it and is pretty stable. Once you have flashed GingerVillain once it has its own setup for flashing updates/patches etc.
But you are right to always take a nandroid backup first. the one time i forgot my flash screwed up
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That's sound advice because I'm not set on cyanogen however I don't know how I'd go about flashing GingerVillain :')
And how sure are you it's alright with S-ON because I don't like the sound of a £250 paperweight
thanks though
well ive never changed my S status .....
Download ROM Manager from the Market. Make sure you install clockworkmod recovery (using ROM Manager). Backup current ROM (using ROM Manager). Download GingerVillain latest version. Flash ROM from SD card (using ROM Manager)
Any future updates to GingerVillain you can use the 'Villain Setup' utility that you will find in your app list once the Flash is complete.
If its your first ever flash be aware that you should make sure the battery level is high, and that it may take several minutes (so dont panic !)
As long as you backup first everything should be fine (although there is always some risk).
Once you have finished your first Flash it will seem like you were worried about nothing
Oh ... and if you would prefer to stay with Froyo the LeeDroid ROM has a very good A2SD version
that sounds.... easy
thanks
and ROM manager says i already have CwM 2.5.0.7 -- so thats all cool, yeah?
Will my NANDroid backup count or shall I just do it again in ROM manager?
and I'm guessing I can download GV from within ROM manager?
sorry to ask all the newb questions but i'd rather be sure lol
Ive never bothered downloading ROMs from within ROM Manager but I believe you can.
As for the backup Id copy your existing backup to your PC and do another. You can never have too many backups
The backup will be in a sub folder on your SD card in a 'clockworkmod' directory.
oh ... and it generally is easy its just summing up courage for the first one.
Might be worth using titanium backup or my backup pro to take a copy of your apps if you dont want to lose where you have got to on Angry Birds etc
you can then restore them to your new ROM
Thanks
my phone is off to charge quicker at the minute then i'll give it a shot
one last question to be extra annoying
if i can't download GV within ROM man.
..could you provide a download link for me to manually slap in on my SD please
Seriously though, I'm really grateful!
They are all under the Desire Android dev sub forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=880465
FINALLY about to do it and I've just thought..
Im on clockwork 2.x
don't i need 3.x for ext4 which makes gingerbread more stable?
also, ROM manager didn't have GV so i downloaded the zip from the link you gave me and extracted it to the root of my SD
rom manager doesnt find the image file, only the 3 folders
..and i feel really stupid :')
[edit 5 mins later]
NOT unzipping it was a better idea, its working now
...my excuse is that im learning
Good thing it worked for you. Some users have reported a host of problems flashing ROMs from ROM Manager. I'd advice you to do it the tried-and-tested old way: through Recovery (which in your case is ClockworkMod).
If you decide to repartition, ROM Manager can do that too, but that's not too advisable either, as some have reported problems with that method, and ROM Manager only allows up to 512Mb partitions, if I remember right.
funny that ^
ROM manager ended up leaving me on the white screen with the green HTC logo untill i pulled the battery
i did it through recovery and it worked a charm
just went through ALL of the settings and i LOVE it
there are a few things i dont like but i'm yet to try different themes etc yet
I'm a happy bunny!
Glad you managed the Flash OK
Never experienced any problems with ROM Manager myself ....
Thing is, now you have recovery and a nadroid backup you are fairly safe. Anything goes wrong you can recover to a previous image from recovery
I always keep a nadroid on my SD card just in case
Of course if you try S-OFF and all sorts of HBOOT changes then you expose yourself to more risk apparently so be careful.
Happy Flashing
oh ... and if you are on GingerVillain go to the Villain Setup and flash the adfree add on. For me it always takes 2 attempts to work, which is strange, but adfree is great
and on GingerVillain you also might want to flash the 'new market' add-on too ...
.... and then there are the Kernels to try too
A week from now you will wonder what you were worried about and will be flashing daily
wilbur-force said:
Glad you managed the Flash OK
Never experienced any problems with ROM Manager myself ....
Thing is, now you have recovery and a nadroid backup you are fairly safe. Anything goes wrong you can recover to a previous image from recovery
I always keep a nadroid on my SD card just in case
Of course if you try S-OFF and all sorts of HBOOT changes then you expose yourself to more risk apparently so be careful.
Happy Flashing
oh ... and if you are on GingerVillain go to the Villain Setup and flash the adfree add on. For me it always takes 2 attempts to work, which is strange, but adfree is great
and on GingerVillain you also might want to flash the 'new market' add-on too ...
.... and then there are the Kernels to try too
A week from now you will wonder what you were worried about and will be flashing daily
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I'm already wondering it
I though last night (well, 4.20 this morning) that I might bite the bullet and try flashing cyanogen
-which i did with sucess
then downloaded the google add on pack and added that
I felt all happy like
onr of my friends did his hero at the same time too because he was interested when i showed him
I think for now I'll keep cyanogen, but i've left it in note form: no homescreens properly set up, very few apps etc, until i find a ROM that I really like the look of
I'll keep ginger in mind though, especially as i hadn't tried the stuff you mentioned above
Hi there,
Saw the thread and thought i could help you with some information.
S-ON/OFF refers to Signature Verification on or off. S-ON stops things that the phone manufactuer do not want changed. It is totally separate to Root access to android. The main advantage of turning S-OFF is that you can change the size of the partitions on the device to give you more space for you apps. Basically playing around here can be dangerous if you are not aware of what it's actually doing at all times.
The great news is that as you have already discovered, you definately don't need to play with S-OFF to flash ROMs. Just root access and a recovery. The ClockworkMod 2.0.5.7 that comes with the Unrevoked root method should is fine for flashing all ROMs from ROM manager or by booting into recovery. But if any of your ROM instructions call for later versions you can just store the later version zip on your SD and use the older recovery to flash the newer version. It will be usable until your phone re-boots. You can't flash the image of the new recovery without S-OFF
Glad to have you experimenting in the community. I think this sort of stuff is exactly why Android is excellent. Apple hate that people Jailbreak their phones but Google openly encourage this development!
Thanks Jimmy
I flashed GV again (because i'm getting a bit carried away now ;D) and tried to install new market, adfree and a 3d desire bootlogo. I've got debugging and unknown apps enabled but it says there is a problem downloading?
Any idea why?
hmmmm.... not seen that one. Have you tried wifi and 3G ? whats the exact message ?
Did you wipe between flashes ? you dont normally need to do this when flashing updates (eg gingervillain 2.0 to 2.1) but when flashing between different ROMs (eg CM to GV) then you should do a full wipe ....
jimmytheflea said:
Hi there,
Saw the thread and thought i could help you with some information.
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Great summary! I definitely recommend s-off as I found it as easy as root.
I have close to 300mb free on internal and usually over 200mb free ram.
You can also change the HTC quietly brilliant (should be "loudly" if you ask me!) splash screen after s-off, and write to any of your device partitions, including /system and /data while booted, saving some time using advanced for certain tasks.
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spears93 said:
Thanks Jimmy
I flashed GV again (because i'm getting a bit carried away now ;D) and tried to install new market, adfree and a 3d desire bootlogo. I've got debugging and unknown apps enabled but it says there is a problem downloading?
Any idea why?
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Is that just the market message telling you there is a problem downloading?
My best guess is that there is a setting in GV that allows direct install to the SD-ext partition for apps. Do you have an EXT2/3/4 partition on your SD card?
When ROMs talk about A2SD, Data2EXT and Data2SD the EXT partition is required.
have a look at the blog for the Starburst ROM for desire for a great tutorial (can't post an external link in here)
It is for a specific ROM but the process is the same. I would recommend using EXT3 because it is the most compatible with ROMS.
See how you go with that.
Ok so I'm an extreme noob with roms and themes. I recently rooted my wifes evo 4G and she wants a rom and theme on it and I have no clue what im doing. So I'm hoping this post will point me in the right direction. I rooted the phone per this exact method succesfully here. I also have a screenshot of the software versions if that helps. If there is anything else i can provide to further help my quest please let me know.
easy stuff
to change the ROM on the EVO is easy you can download ROM Manager from the market and it will give you and option of downloading custom roms for your device, choose one and rom manager will do the rest to include backing up your current rom. Themes are to easy also again on the Market download ADW and you can browse thru many themes and again once you find one you like it will do install it for you. I hope this helps.
Bulldog's Right
ROM Manager is the easiest way to play around with ROMS. (Have to pay up for the Premium version for the good stuff, though.)
I've use Swagged Out Stock and it's good.
~Jason
Rom manager +evo = waste of time root your phone flash amon RA recovery and use it to install roms unless you want to spend all your time trying to get your phone working again then by all means use rom manager and cwm, cwm doesn't wipe properly causing serious issues when you boot into the rom, everything from force closes to stuff just plain not working
We are legion, for we are many
Sent from my Anonymous DeathStar in the depths of GalaXy S2
Per your post if you are s-on(unlocked) and not s-off I'd advise following captain throwbacks guide to downgrade your hboot and attain s-off, if you are s-off search for and locate amon RA recovery in pc36img.zip format place it on SD card and let it search for and update your recovery by pressing volume+ once it finds the PC36IMG.zip , once you have amon rRA find a rom you want to install and download it to you SD card, now boot to amonra and navigate to nandroid(backup/restore) and create a backup selecting the preselcted options plus wimax(this will take some time between 5 and 30 mins)back to the main menu and navigation to the wipe menu, select and wipe each option except battery stats and SD card atleast once (I do each 3x personally just to make sure they are thoroughly wiped) now back out to the main menu and select install from SD card, navigate to your ROM zip wherever you placed it if you downloaded it from the phone itself it will most likely be in the folder named download, select the zip and then install it, let it update may take a few mins to complete depending on the roms size now navigate back to the main menu and reboot you phone you now have a custom rom, to install a theme you will need to find one specific to the rom you choose wipe only cache and dalvik.cache install the theme zip and reboot and you're now themed.
We are legion, for we are many
Sent from my Anonymous DeathStar in the depths of GalaXy S2
thank you thank you thank you so pleased with the answers this helps a ton. just one question what is "s-on/s-off"?
power off phone. Then power on by holding volume down while pushing power button. That takes you to hboot. Hboot will show your status. If you want s-off (and believe me, you do), follow the link provided above.
Follow everything EVIL-KONCEPT has said,....its all true. And stay away from ROMmanager and CWM, unless you wanna spend all your days trying to figure out why the ROMs you flash are all Fd up. CWM doesn't work worth a damn on Evo. Use amonRA.
Welcome, and good luck. Great community, all will help.
Sent from my PC36100 using xda premium
Another great place to look at is
HipKats guide - it has some great information
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=138691
sent from my EVO running some version of ICS
So should I start from stock? If so how do I do that? Sorry bout so many questions I am used to my epic and the evo is way different. Also that link to the other thread is not working.
Just click the link in my signature
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Just click the link in my signature
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so i did this and already have a problem. i downloaded the amon ra and it was named PC36IMG.zip already so i put it in the root of the phone and when i booted to bootloader it says "main version is older!" then "update fail" any ideas how to get amon ra on this phone?
if it says main version is older, then it's trying to read a radio image. Do you have 2 PC36Imgs on root of SD?
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no only one pc36img. im trying to unroot atm.
Like everyone else I use AmonRa to flash roms etc. rom manager is good for a noob thats how I started off, but Know clockwork is not that good, all i can say is read, read, read, and when you think u got it read it again, its really not that hard.
lol yeah i know that that is what i been doing for what seems like ever. i have yet to be able to find anything that talks about my issue and i was unable to return the phone to stock it went to the progress bar got to 14% "checking header" and stayed there for an indefinite amount of time. so I am pretty confused and i guess ill try the rom manager route and see how that goes.
sephirothkadaj said:
lol yeah i know that that is what i been doing for what seems like ever. i have yet to be able to find anything that talks about my issue and i was unable to return the phone to stock it went to the progress bar got to 14% "checking header" and stayed there for an indefinite amount of time. so I am pretty confused and i guess ill try the rom manager route and see how that goes.
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If you were able to use the HTCDev.com method from that thread to unlock the bootloader, you should be able to easily flash a custom recovery (RA-supersonic). I can walk you through the steps to do that. Once that part is done, flashing a new ROM is easy.
Avoid ROM Manager and CWM recovery.
If you can report back what it says on the HBOOT (Bootloader) screen, it would be helpful, just so we can confirm that you are only UNLOCKED and S-ON, not S-OFF (it makes a slight difference).
well per the OP i have an unlocked evo per the htc website and this thread and the hboot screen says unlocked s-on. my issue is i am unable to flash amon ra recovery because when i do it says main version is older and i named it correctly checked re-checked and re-re-checked a thousand + times. i dont have another pc36img.zip anywere in the root of the sd or even on it for that matter. and i tried to return it to stock and it freezes at checking header. i will try whatever you guys want me to with the exception to rom manager. too many people advise on not useing it for me to risk it. anything else? i take a pic of the hboot screen if you need. and i have a pic attached to the OP of the system settings.
The main thing you wanna get is s-off, or generally you're s-ol... So you did use revolutionary, generated the key, talked to your main OS, and it said you were good? You'll know when you volume down and power on your phone, it'll say revolutionary s-off... It's all downhill from there... Are you saying your phone won't boot at all? Maybe I'm missing something, just trying to help;-)
Edit, I agree vvvvvvvv although sometimes things don't always go so well and even seasoned people as well as noobs get stuck and then ya kinda have to take it step by step... Hopefully he got it figured out but kinda hard to tell from what I read;-)
Do whatever captain_throwback says. He knows all.
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Sorry for all the confusion. Let me try to explain it better. I went to htcdev and did the whole process to unlock the phone. The thread I used to unlock had me put cwm recovery on the phone. That was fine until my wife wanted a diff rom and theme on her phone. So I got told to flash amon-ra recovery. The process for flashing amon-ra was to go to the amon-ra thread and download supersonic, then rename it exactly "PC36IMG.ZIP" so I did that. I checked md5 made sure it wasn't pc36img.zip.zip made sure there wasn't a copy in the root and even in the whole sd card. Now I still get an error when I flash amon-ra. It says "main version is older!" Then "update failed." I have the 2.18 hboot 2.3.5 android. And if there is any other info I can give to get assistance I would appreciate it. O yeah forgot, I also tried to return it to stock via the .exe file and it just freezes on checking header so I can't even start all over from stock :-( I hope that clarefied everything.