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[official] Problems with Telus OTA update.

So, just to keep telus update waiters in touch with whats going on with the OTA Froyo 2.2 update.
EDIT : The RUU is also avaiable ! You can continue to mess with your desire..and get back to the factory ROM if any problem:
[RUU] RUU_Bravo_Froyo_TELUS_WWE_2.25.661.2_Radio_32.49.0 0.32U_5.11.05.27 (thanks to football)
http://www.multiupload.com/T5H6PHUL33
The update is now available. Go to settings > about phone >check updates....to force the update.
Before launching it....be sure to have 90mo on the SD card free and 25mo on the phone.
http://fotadl.htc.com/OTA_Bravo_Fro....2-1.29.661.1_R_release_Pf7sjzjrgcmpsve12.zip
radio for those who just want that. http://www.mightyrom.com/mrx/MRX/Bravo/Radio/Signed/32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27.zip
For root users...if you have problems with installing the update or if you are sucked in a boot loop or if you get this message
E:failed to verify whole-file signature
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted
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Do this:
On your Phone
1. open Astro and go to "download" folder
2. long-press and select "edit"
3. press "move"
4. press back button
5. press "edit" from the top menu bar
6. press "paste"
7. long press the file
8. press "edit", then press "rename"
rename to update.zip then press OK
Installation
*power off phone
*hold "volume down" and turn on phone
A screen should appear showing your phone's system searching for various files. Scroll down to “recovery” using the volume down button and press the “Power” button
*When you see the triangle with an exclamation point symbol, press the “Power” and “Volume Up” buttons at the same time. This may take a few attempts
*From the menu that appears, use the trackball to select "Apply sdcard:update.zip." Press down on the trackball to start.
*When the screen displays "Install from sdcard complete" use trackball to select "reboot system now" and wait for the phone to power back up.
I will put links to how to resolve different problems later...

If it's not out tomorrow, I think that's gonna be the push I need to make one of those fancy goldcards and install an RUU version of Froyo. What does the telus one have anyway, EDGE disabled?
EDIT: Thanks for collecting this info; more than I knew before.

The telus update won't offer much as I know. They will put some of their crappy apps that you can't delete...add some feature in apps (music dowloading or ringtones downloading... with some downloadable stuff) and thats it.
Any developers on XDA could do this job within 1 week... Htc desire was out on july or august on Telus... and they struggle to get it done in time.
Gold card is not a bad idea at all. Avoiding warranty kinda hurt me.

ecitron said:
We've been waiting for 4 months now...1 week or two won't kill us.
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I got one of the very first Desires from Telus and had it running a custom ROM within three days.
I'm on 2.2.1 now. LOL!

no reason in loosing your mind over this
my phone is currently not working because of radio not compatible with froyo issue. And this RUU might possibly be the only i can fix my problem. No one on this forum was able to give me any help.
Every minute is too long of a wait. RUUs should be out the second a phone is out with the original rom and so on. Not when updates come up and the whole world had time to test those updates..and then..you know what..last minute we notice there's an issue. It's ok, it's not like people stuck in a 3 year contract with a nice paper weight as a phone can do anything about it either..

marinierb said:
I got one of the very first Desires from Telus and had it running a custom ROM within three days.
I'm on 2.2.1 now. LOL!
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Root and flash a custom ROM is an easy option... anyone can do it... but like I said... many people don't want to loose their one year warranty...
I'll wait to see what's in the update package... if too many ****ty telus's apps ... I will probably jump in the boat. Unbrand the phone with a gold card and get OTA updates directly from HTC seems to be the cleanest solution for me.
Come on Telus...don't disappoint us ...
btw: More then 50% Desire's owner (Canad) are not with telus... we all bought the phone at full price. And get stucked with telus's apps ( and you can't remove them) will defininetly be disappointing.

ecitron said:
Unbrand the phone with a gold card
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No need to do the goldcard thing. You can use Unrevoked.

ecitron said:
btw: More then 50% Desire's owner (Canad) are not with telus... we all bought the phone at full price. And get stucked with telus's apps ( and you can't remove them) will defininetly be disappointing.
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That could be the reason to why Telus took out the outright price. I'm with Telus and I even bought it outright then gave it off and bought another outright a month later.
And yes Telus are one of the worst for OS updates, the Hero just got the 2.1 update today. And the Milestone has been taking forever.

Good morning canada.
Last news from people who called this morning.
It will be the 28th, 29th, 30th and finally the last day for all the unlucky people 31st.
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I will call later in the day by myself and get u in touch.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Yeah my phone made a strange noise last night and i figured it was this update.
Telus is the worst with OS updates. It was a full year before the Black Berry os update came to the Storm. I tried to do some freaking out at the store to get a new phone style stuff when they told me the new update just came out. I told them it had been a year- why would I assume it would ever come out?
Ill wait to see what ****ty Telus apps they install (is that what is taking them so long?) before I decide what I want to do. I could unbrand or switch to a diff rom- but I think I like sense.

I can understand the "RAGE" about telus sucking at updates. But why are you guys so upset. they will release froyo, all the **** in it will be old as dirt. no one will use anything from it to build a custom rom. And if you want something good you will flash a custom one.
Its like telling the future, except im pretty much guaranteed to be right.
The only thing if at all im concerned about is the ril and the radio.
And maybe a telus voice call app cuz they have it on my account, but be ****ed if i know how to get it going right now.
As for telus and installing ****ty apps. they have been good about that lately, i expect to see little to no Telus apps on the rom. The 2.1 rom was devoid of anything telus but the home page.

Good is subjective my friend. If you find froyo old as dirt its ok... but four those who want to keep their warranty...we have no choice. The probability of loosing 600$ is enough to not make changes on our phone...that will result on loosing the warranty.
Your are not the first...and not the last person to tell us to root..unbrand and bla bla bla...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

ecitron said:
Good is subjective my friend. If you find froyo old as dirt its ok... but four those who want to keep their warranty...we have no choice. The probability of loosing 600$ is enough to not make changes on our phone...that will result on loosing the warranty.
Your are not the first...and not the last person to tell us to root..unbrand and bla bla bla...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Loosing warranty is relative to the knowledge of the user.
There is a pretty easy way to put the device back to factory software if you take the correct steps.
Thats if you have to. If the device is a brick before you return it then no harm.
ive already unrooted a telus desire, restored the stock rom from a nandroid backup (unrooted the backup) then flashed the radio back to the stock telus radio. after this i used fastboot to flash a stock recovery back on and lastly flashed the .83.0001 Hboot with fastboot, removing the s-off hboot. effectively returning the whole device back to stock. with all the correct software version numbers.

Juggalo_X said:
Loosing warranty is relative to the knowledge of the user.
There is a pretty easy way to put the device back to factory software if you take the correct steps.
Thats if you have to. If the device is a brick before you return it then no harm.
ive already unrooted a telus desire, restored the stock rom from a nandroid backup (unrooted the backup) then flashed the radio back to the stock telus radio. after this i used fastboot to flash a stock recovery back on and lastly flashed the .83.0001 Hboot with fastboot, removing the s-off hboot. effectively returning the whole device back to stock. with all the correct software version numbers.
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It's good to know that it is possible to return to the stock config. I think a lot of us "waiters" would get off the bench if we knew it was possible to go back to stock if necessary.
Juggalo_X, would you consider writing a step by step process for returning a Desire to the stock config? Since you have already done it...

The thread is not about how to flash a stock ROM.
I will pay to see you restoring a stock rom when The screen is dead or when your phone wont start...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I got a Telus Desire, so here is my delema (and question)
1. Like HTC Sense and would like to keep it
2. Have a lot of reason to move to 2.2 (BT dialing)
3. want to root phone
I'm guessing there are stock HTC Desire rom floating around (from the factory unlocked desire) but are those rooted/rootable? I heard HTC has been making it harder and harder for us to root. And will rom for AMOLED work with sLCD phone?
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Oky did some more Google-ing and found this, might be useful to you guys
://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741775
This is the rooted official Desire Rom
don't have time now but will have look through if this will work for our radio and sLCD issue.
if you guys already know, feel free to post and tell us
AlphaX

I tried a similar (probably the same) rom, but from this thread:
hxxp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
I updated the radio to the latest, everything seems to be good and no bugs that I can see.

ecitron said:
The thread is not about how to flash a stock ROM.
I will pay to see you restoring a stock rom when The screen is dead or when your phone wont start...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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There would be no point in restoring a dead device.
I'm under the impression that you think htc checks the flash on every dead device? this is not so. its cheaper for them to replace the whole main board in a device rather then pay an engineer to remove the board put it on a bed of nails dump the rom via jtag routine and then analyze the binary images.
Also, If we're on the topic of paying me to restore a device with a blank screen send me one ill jtag it for fun and restore the device. How much you willing to pay? i need a Desire Z you know
On a side note, In the past 5 years ive probably sent at the VERY least 15 bricked devices back to HTC, WITH software that would void the warranty on them. and i have ALWAYS got my device returned fixed under warranty every single time.

Juggalo_X said:
On a side note, In the past 5 years ive probably sent at the VERY least 15 bricked devices back to HTC, WITH software that would void the warranty on them. and i have ALWAYS got my device returned fixed under warranty every single time.
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Pretty difficult to believe that. 15 bricked...
Also just about anyone (cell carrier, manufaturer via phone, etc) will tell you rooting, unlocking and modifying (removing bloatware) will void warranty. I have heard of people sending in devices with those and succeeding but not very often.

15 bricked in 5 Sears. A reason to not listen to you. Not everyone has the time to mess with their phones that much...learn to jtag..etc..
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Evo Unroot Repair

So my Evo charger port has been broken for awhile and I finally have the chance to take it in tomorrow to see if they will repair it under warranty. I obviously have to unroot it for them to do this, since I'm on CM7 right now.
So I'm a little confused - I flash the PCIMG to unroot but after I need to go to a stock sense rom. The stock rom threads have been saying if I flash them, I won't be able to re-root my phone. They will probably just repair my phone so I want to be able to root it afterwards.
So what am I suppose to do in this situation? They said they would fix my phone in under and hour if there is a problem.

ipractice said:
So my Evo charger port has been broken for awhile and I finally have the chance to take it in tomorrow to see if they will repair it under warranty. I obviously have to unroot it for them to do this, since I'm on CM7 right now.
So I'm a little confused - I flash the PCIMG to unroot but after I need to go to a stock sense rom. The stock rom threads have been saying if I flash them, I won't be able to re-root my phone. They will probably just repair my phone so I want to be able to root it afterwards.
So what am I suppose to do in this situation? They said they would fix my phone in under and hour if there is a problem.
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you will be able to re root again after you get it worked on, no worries. All of the Evo software that is currently available is rootable.
Unrooting is easy, and basically two steps. First, if you rooted with unrevoked, or ever flashed the Unrevoked Forever tool, then you first need to flash the unrevoked S on tool. That will turn your S on. After you flash it, go to the bootloader, and confirm that your S is On. Once that's set, download the PC36IMG, and put it on the main directory of your sd card (not in any folders) Be sure it's named exactly PC36IMG (capitals matter, must be all caps). THen boot into the bootloader, and at that piont the bootloader should find the PC36IMG file, and ask you to update. Press Volume up to say yes. Once it's done flashing, when you reboot you'll be back on a stock sense rom, s on, and ready to take it in for service. You'll be able to root again afterwards using any of the current available methods. Good luck.
PC36IMG's and RUU's:: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884060&highlight=hboot-0.97+ruu
Unrevoked forever S on tool attatched below.

unfortunately there (to my knowledge) isnt a way to "repair" your charging port since this is a known issue with the HTC EVO.. i know because I work for Sprint. Unless they have someone there that can sauder your port back on or anything like that your probably just going to get a new phone. what i would tell you to do is unroot it, let them order a new device or swap one out and root that one..just some food for thought.

dgomez720 said:
unfortunately there (to my knowledge) isnt a way to "repair" your charging port since this is a known issue with the HTC EVO.. i know because I work for Sprint. Unless they have someone there that can sauder your port back on or anything like that your probably just going to get a new phone. what i would tell you to do is unroot it, let them order a new device or swap one out and root that one..just some food for thought.
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You must work in a call center.
Evo charging port durability is a known issue. Since it is hardware, a technician cannot reject the device due to being rooted, only if it is a software issue.

You're going to get a new phone, they cannot fix the port as others have mentioned. Don't worry about how easy it will be to root again, as you'll have a different phone anyway.

No i don't actually. and yes I do realize that unless its a SW issue we will work on it. I have done it many a times. If we end up having to swap the device out it must come back with the same SW as it left when you first bought it. Its just our M&P. some of our rf testers will not read rooted devices which is why we don't.. We are required to test every aspect of the device from radio to Screen.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

[Q] UK, rooted unbranded DHD on 2.2 - will gingerbread change this?

Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving? And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
Thanks

Tamen said:
Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving?
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Already have 3 too many threads about that and don't wish to start another.
Tamen said:
And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
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You'll lose root. If you phone is still in a state that it can receive updates.
if you've rooted why not just flash a GB ROM? There are customised ones and even one that is just rooted.
Tamen said:
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
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Seems people are saying that nothing was lost but back it all up anyway (yes, lots of apps to back up info, all already mentioned).

Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?

Tamen said:
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
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You should be ok. The actual state you can put a phone to and still receive the update is something I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. Certainly need a stock ROM.
Previous phones needed the stock recovery but I don't think that's the case here.
Tamen said:
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
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The time when you are most at risk of bricking your phone is rooting and flashing a radio.
Flashing a ROM is 99% risk free. You've done the risky bit.

Cheers - though I haven't flashed a radio I don't think (unless radio s-off is flashing a radio). It says in the how to install a rom guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964996)
- Select "Install Zip from sdcard"
- Select "Choose zip from sdcard"
- Select full-wipe-1-3.zip (It's right under those folders)
- Confirm by selecting the Yes option in between those "NO"s
- Wait for it to finish
- DO NOT REBOOT!!! In case you were not aware, you now have no rom installed
If I somehow messed up or knocked the power button and rebooted, what happens? How do I then fix it? Is that a permanent brick?

Not a fan of that wipe.zip. You could do the less risky method first and use wipe from the recovery menu.
If you rebooted you MAY (unlikely) have a brick but more likely you'll just end up back at bootloader.
If something happens while the phone is installing the ROM then you might have a problem.
If the phone is bricked assume you will have to send it to HTC for repair (along with your best innocent "it was like that in the morning, honest" look.
You'll be fine. I'm sure. But know the risks.
Bottom line, don't knock it. It's quite hard to accidentally press the power button.

Haha claim innocence If they do look and say it's your fault, out of warrenty, how much do they charge? They don't have to replace anything, just presumably connect it to a htc computer and run some resets.
Does the phone stay connected throughout this process? What happens if it's not connected when run or becomes disconnected?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just really want to understand everything that happens. If able I'd much rather update to gingerbread then root with an updated visionary or equivalent, though how long that'll take to happen is anyone's guess :/

Unless the instructions say not to I'd leave it connected.
If the instructions say to remove something that means disconnecting the phone (such as swapping SD cards for example) and doesn't say re-insert the phone then don't (this is why you should always be 100% charged before you try these things).
If it is bricked, they will use there tool to get into the eMMC partition and re-install everything. It's unliekly (not happened yet) they will magically restore the phone and go "hold on, you did this".
Don't worry. Ask away (feel free to hit the thanks button IF I say anything useful).
Just to back track, it looks like your wanting to flash a ROM now. Is this a stock ROm or one of the beautiful customised ROM's like LeeDroid?

In a sec I'll thank every post on this thread, you've been really helpful (and patient!)
I heard about gingerbread updating and wondered if root would be lost with the update or if the update would even work at all. You suggested I get a gingerbread rom already rooted, and I said "aarrgh, I'm scared" The rest of the posts are you explaining things to me, though if possible I'd like to stick with official roms for the moment and then root it - will visionary work on 2.3?

No. You will need to use Gingerbreak which will involve downgrading the ROM first.
But to answer the question between the lines, if you update and lose root, all is not lost, it can be reclaimed.

[noob]But the Rom comes from OTA, so how can it be downgraded?[/noob]
But thanks, if root can be re-attained after the update, I'll wait till after the update before doing anything too fast

What you will have to do is take an old RUU, say version 1.32 and install that.
That then allows you to gain access to the required areas of the phone to give you root and anything else you wish (Engineering HBOOT (ENG S-OFF), Radio S-OFF etc.).
When you get to that stage and decide to root etc. you will kick yourself so hard for not doing it earlier

Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?

Tamen said:
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
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It (The OTA GB ROM) will remove root if you already have it yes. I believe Radio S-OFF is safe. AS for ENG S-OFF (HBOOT) I'm afraid my memory is failing me but with root and Radio S-OFF it would be easy enough to redo ENG S-OFF.
Rooting etc. will only get harder with each update. Version 1.32 is the easiest of all to root and in fact most root / Radio S-OFF etc. threads start by saying "downgrade to 1.32"
[EDIT] Just re-read your post...
Yes, if you make plans now before the OTA update (still not convinced you will get it though) it will be easier in the future but the main one to worry about is Radio S-OFF. This is the easier of the two and IIRC the only one required should you get the OTA update and gain root (via GingerBreak) without having to downgrade first.

I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish

Tamen said:
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
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Puts a huge grin on my face when someone just goes and does this....
But I really really really feel you can't stop now.
Ignoring that I don't think you will get the OTA update you have to now install a GB ROM. After what you have done, flashing a ROM is (relatively speaking) as safe as houses.
Go on!! Android Revolution HD (ARHD) is basically pure stock GB visually with a few goodies thrown in.
Top the day off and flash that ROM.
Do it!!!

Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom. I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe? Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms

Tamen said:
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
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Nope, just as reversible.
Tamen said:
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom.
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Put ROM on sdcard.
Boot to recovery.
wipe data and cache
install ROM
reboot
Get a brew and marvel and the wonderfulness of it all.
With ROM Manager it can be simpler still.
Tamen said:
I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
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When you start thinking about it install ROM Manager just to get ready.
Tamen said:
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
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Schedule those hours in now. You WILL be flashing ROMs
Tamen said:
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
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Hee hee. I like Cyanogen (a non-sense ROM) - Will come back to that.
My favourite sense ROMs are LeeDroid by a long way, the guy is a star and the ROM is perfection; after that, Android Revolution HD which will probably be your choice as it's closer to stock than Lee's. Based on what you've said I go with ARHD but if you really want to play, have fun (overclocking etc.) and want your phone to make R2D2 noises when it boots then LeeDroid every time.
And you're right, the Sense UI (which only gets better) does set HTC apart but even without it, I'd only buy a HTC phone now (when I'm buying an Android phone).
Why not [email protected]
Two part answer. The first part is I'm a huge open source and Linux fan. Use Ubuntu on PC and Kubuntu on laptop and my first Android phone was THE first Android phone, the Google (T-Mobile) G1. As such I love Android so I want my phone to be just about Android with a few little extras and NO ONE does that better than Cyanogen. NO ONE.
I still have my G1 and I still love it. That's a vanilla Android phone.
Second part is about bloat. Yes, I do really really like Sense UI. As far as manufacturers bloat-ware goes NOTHING beats Sense UI. It's visually stunning and things like htcsense.com, the clock / weather widget that actually shows weather and that cool windscreen wiper thing and the whole seamless integration twix phone and social is beyond words.
But at the end of the day what is it? It's pretty. I don't use facebook. For twitter I prefer Twidroyd and Tweetdeck. I don't need a massive clock on my screen. I don't want apps and widget I'm not going to use. Before I could root my Hero and DHD I installed ADW.Launcher.
I'll tell you what it's about: Choice. I don't want three buttons along the bottom I want five. And because I have a Google Apps account, HTC Picasa add-on doesn't work (they looking into it) and that pisses me off.
I'm prattling on now.
I have LeeDroid and ARHD on my sdcard as NAND backups and every now and then I restore one (I think of it as almost "dual boot") and for the next 24 hours I'm back coo-ing over it all but then 24 hours later it just doesn't feel right so back to CM I go.
It's personal choice but I will say one thing (more), try CM7. If you don't like it fine but just try it. You'll miss the widgets at first but see how you feel about it.
I'll shut up now.

That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem? Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
Also, I edited the above post but was doing so after you'd posted this, so I'll put it here too:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms

Tamen said:
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
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I made great use of that too, so simple, plress a button on the website and instant ring. An app called Where's my droid can do that but you need another phone to be able to send it a text.
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ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem?
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There used to be but I've never had a problem. But I like doing everything from recovery and that's works fine (from 3.0.2.6).
Tamen said:
Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
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It's that some ROM's have been tested using certain Radios and some devs are only willing to recommend Radios that have been tested.
A radio is the software that is responsible for wifi, network signal including data, bluetooth and GPS. It's just another something that is constantly being improved. Most radios will work with most roms but one radio might work great for person a and be rubbish for person b. This is because some networks and phone hardware (they do differ) don't respond as well as others to a certain radio. The radio is something you will will push (via fastboot commands) a lot (which is why you have Radio S-OFF) as you need to experiment.
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How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
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Depends on ROM but on average about 5 minutes. It's not really any quicker than using recovery directly (ROM Manager is just a GUI for recovery) once you have done it a few times, it's just simpler.
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EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe?
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ALWAYS. And every time.
The only exception is if you're upgrading the same ROM but even then, depending on the upgrade you may still have to wipe. Most issues after flashing a ROM are due to not wiping at least the cache.
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Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
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Yes. Contacts are sync'd to Gmail so no worries there. Mybackup will backup SMS and MMS too.
Apps are a different matter. There is an option to Backup apps and app data to google servers which works 95% of the time. Titanium can do this too but in my experience is even more flakey. I still keep a list of all my apps just in case.
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EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family [snip]
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That battry door is ****, no two ways about it. It does require a lot of force and you have to be brave with it. But as you say, hopefully you won't need to worry about it.

[Q] how do I completely wipe and recover without root 4.24 hboot 2.16

Someone tell me how I can clean my phone, I need to wipe it completely, and reinstall everything from scratch. Really wish I had rooted first, would have been alot easier, alot more resources for root.

Thariz said:
Someone tell me how I can clean my phone, I need to wipe it completely, and reinstall everything from scratch. Really wish I had rooted first, would have been alot easier, alot more resources for root.
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Menu>Settings>SD & Phone Storage>Factory Reset

let me repeat my question, and get more specific. I need to wipe all data off my phone, everything.
Then I need to get the OS back on it.
Can someone tell me if you can do this without root, I need to completely clear all partitions AFAIK and then get a new CLEAN UNHACKED OS onto my phone.
Factory reset is not enough
RUU is not enough (alone anyway)
I need to get the flashable regions of my phone totally clear of malicious code.

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I don't think you have any options without root...only other option without root is boot into bootloader and clear storage.
For curiousity, what did you do that you need to undo and how could you have pushed "malicious code" onto other partitions without root?

unless you work for HTC or know somone that does, i thnk you are pretty boned, even contacting them directly all ive gotten is the usual "it cant be done" line so ....just wait for the hboot to get hacked and do it then i suppose..

What Android version are you on and your phone is currently rooted correct?

He stated in original post that it is NOT rooted.

4.24 gb EVO
hacked as hell
i think it was rooted before not to my knowledge, and flashed. also calendar exploited via google, I hope i can get some help outside the dev forum, because I i know they dont like questions there, thats why im posting here instead.
cant clean it now that i have OTA'd to GB.
I am finding alot of cool app engines along my trials and tribulations. makes me wish I had not stopped working in security several years back.
Someone gonna give a guy a hand? I am as trustworthy as they come if you are worried about anything getting out and about.

If it was rooted before, go into the bootloader and check if it says S-ON or S-OFF. If it's S-OFF, you can flash a recovery and now you're rooted again.
If it's S-ON, no, you can't do anything right now.

yeah im screwed
i just love it when my camera and speaker come on and monitor me all day and night long.

Thariz said:
yeah im screwed
i just love it when my camera and speaker come on and monitor me all day and night long.
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Sigh...ok...I'll bite. Why do you think your phone is doing this? What evidence?
And does the tin foil mess up your hair?

i watch the logs, i see the mic and or cameras come on, i see the filesys filling where I cant go see it because im not root, i see the traffic as it xmits it from local host to local host, i see the traces of the encryption keys and stunnels. This is only one instance.
I hope there is someone around here who has something more to offer than the people outside the dev forums, im getting killed following the rules.

So let me get this straight and my apologizies for sounding confuzed becasue every reply has been all over the place and has been of no real help to you yet..
Your on GB version 4.24 correct? Previously Rooted without you knowing? Your trying to get back too 100% stock as well? I hope I'm following this so far.
1st, the easiest way, download Root Checker from the Market and that will tell you right off the bat if your rooted or not. If thats not possible, enter bootloader as stated before and verify S-Off at top of screen. If so, flash Amon_Ra Recovery (rename to PC36IMG.zip if not already and place on root of SD Card). Enter bootloader and let it scan, apply update and from there you can do what you need to do. If it says S-On but you know your rooted, go to xHausx Auto Root guide, download the Froyo 3.70.651 Stock rom and place on Root of Sd Card named PC36IMG.zip, enter bootloader, let it scan and apply update, that will take you too 100% stock Froyo with hBoot 2.10 and you can apply GB update if desired or root with whatever method of your choice.
Once again, sorry if this is not what you were wanting but its irritating when you get the run around and people talk about tin foil hats and ridiculous stuff...and agreed, very hard to follow rules when most replies are worthless.

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He stated in original post that it is NOT rooted.
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Read 1 post below yours, only way to figue out how to help is to know the details. Good 2 cents though.

I will give it a go, after I upgraded OTA it made me s-on, so i think im just screwed now.
I tried the ruu to go back but as you know it says too old files etc
i imagine this will do the same but i will try anything once, the guys at sprint gave me the go ahead to do whateever i need to do to try to backrev this thing, and if i brick it they will replace it so im up for ANYTHING PEOPLE

If you were originally s-off, the ota shouldn't have updated hboot. It can't turn you s-on, unless you reverse it yourself first..
Which means you were always s-on, and currently there is no way to assist you.

lets start over. are u S-OFF or S-ON? that will determine what ur options are.

Thariz said:
I will give it a go, after I upgraded OTA it made me s-on, so i think im just screwed now.
I tried the ruu to go back but as you know it says too old files etc
i imagine this will do the same but i will try anything once, the guys at sprint gave me the go ahead to do whateever i need to do to try to backrev this thing, and if i brick it they will replace it so im up for ANYTHING PEOPLE
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There isn't anything that can be done for you at the moment. You said your s-on which means your not rooted which in turn means your bootloader is locked and you can't install a recovery and install the files you need to fix your problem. So I would call Sprint and tell em your device is being defective.

pnewgaard said:
Read 1 post below yours, only way to figue out how to help is to know the details. Good 2 cents though.
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If you could read his original post, he said - it is currently not rooted - who cares if it was rooted before or not. He has S-ON = NOT rooted = he is out of luck...
That's my 3 cents

[Q] New Sprint update available to 4.53.651.1 - break root???

Any of you super smart devs tell me if the new update from Sprint broke the new root methods?
I applied it like an idiot, it doesn't fix hardly anything that's wrong. I've given up on Sprint. I want to head off to Cyanogenmod land, but am worried it might be broken now.
Thanks!!!

mmark27 said:
Any of you super smart devs tell me if the new update from Sprint broke the new root methods?
I applied it like an idiot, it doesn't fix hardly anything that's wrong. I've given up on Sprint. I want to head off to Cyanogenmod land, but am worried it might be broken now.
Thanks!!!
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Did it change your H Boot Version?

mmark27 said:
Any of you super smart devs tell me if the new update from Sprint broke the new root methods?
I applied it like an idiot, it doesn't fix hardly anything that's wrong. I've given up on Sprint. I want to head off to Cyanogenmod land, but am worried it might be broken now.
Thanks!!!
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honestly, why did you do that??i just looked at androidcentral.com and the update doesnt fix anything special..anyway im sure a dev will have a rooted version soon..and just like he said, did it change the hboot?

You should always assume that an OTA update will break root (since it will not have Superuser installed) and that it may NAND Lock your phone (take away your S-OFF). If you want the update just wait around for a short time and a rooted version will appear here.

Well, try using an app that requires root permissions to see if it broke it, like titanium backup.

bpc4209 said:
Did it change your H Boot Version?
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Hboot version is 2.16.0001

It was not clear from your OP if you had already rooted and then took the OTA or you wanted to know if you could still root your phone.
That is the same Hboot as the previous OTA so you may still be able to root with Revolution if you have not already. If you did already root your phone you need to check to see if you still have S-OFF and a recovery that you can use to get CM loaded.

Boot to recovery (hold Vol - and Power button)
What version of HBoot is it?
Cardinal Rule:
Once rooted, never bother accessing the OTA section of your Sense ROM.

Sorry, I have never rooted and am a complete rooting noob.
[my reason is that I've had blown speakers, cracked screens, etc. and have had 5 different replacements from Sprint and don't want to void my warranty unless I can get it back to make it appear as though I've never rooted]
I did find that this Hboot version still seems to be supported with the new root methods. I have one real quick question, and I have a hard time sifting through the posts, threads, forums.
I want to root, flash a new ROM and want to be able to recover my stock Sprint ROM in case I need to send my phone back for the aforementioned issues. If I follow the root procedures and install Amon_RA's backup and backup the current ROM, I should be able to flash that ROM and get back to S-ON? or would I have to go through some procedure to get back S-ON?
Again, my apologies for posting what's been posted probably 1000 times, you can just link me to a thread....I haven't been successful in my searches for a definitive answer. And the "noob guide" sticky on the forum hasn't been updated to the new root methods, so I'm not sure what will brick me and what is usable.

yes, I will never OTA update after rooting, but in case I want to get back to a stock ROM from Sprint for warranty trade in purposes.
follow up noob question to rooting, all the proper radios and account information will be imported into my phone after flashing a new ROM? Or will I have to know specific radios, PRLs or basebands after I root. It's my primary device so I can't afford to be without.

Damn. Just rooted a few days ago under the assumption Sprint has moved on as far as supporting the EVO.... Dig root but I hope this doesn't create a problem when the update is forced on me.

You can always turn off auto update, and you can also hit cancel if the auto updater pops up. You do not Have to ever update your phone if you dont want to

And if you do decide that you want the update you can wait for a rooted version to appear on XDA and flash that.

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And if you do decide that you want the update you can wait for a rooted version to appear on XDA and flash that.
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*noob alert* Those normally appear in the Development forum, correct? Is there a particular title I should be looking for?

No offense, and I really mean that, but you should not root your phone if you are that worried about the consequences. If you aren't willing to accept that Sprint may be able to tell you rooted you phone then deny you warranty repairs just stick with what you have. Once you get past that point then its time to have some rooting fun.
Seriously though, everyone is going to tell you how great root is, but I bet 60% or better never actually do anything with their phone that would have required root to being with!

But to get back to a factory state, all I'd need to do is flash a Sprint RUU and turn S-ON. I'd assume that's pretty straight forward, I was just curious if anyone here knew the best instructions that were easy to follow.

mmark27 said:
But to get back to a factory state, all I'd need to do is flash a Sprint RUU and turn S-ON. I'd assume that's pretty straight forward, I was just curious if anyone here knew the best instructions that were easy to follow.
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Using older root methods (pre-Gingerbread), yes. But the new root method for GB/Hboot 2.16 installs a new, non-official hboot - 6.16. No one has been able to get the s-on tool to work or downgrade to a different hboot. You can flash an RUU that will take you back to stock, but you cannot gain s-on. Whether or not Sprint cares about the s-off 6.16 hboot, I don't know. Sprint is supposed to service rooted phones as long as the firmware is stock. If it's not, they'll RUU for you. You may have problems or you may not, kind of depends on who you deal with.
The revolutionary root method is still in a beta phase, what I believe they call a "developer preview" or something. Perhaps once it's released officially there will be an easy way to gain s-on.
I think that if you are worried about rooting or don't know why you would be rooting ("it seems cool" is not a legitimate reason) then you shouldn't do it. But that's just my opinion.
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my reason is that I'm sick of Sprint/HTC's flaky software that breaks things like wireless-n, my ability to stream music/contacts with my car stereo over bluetooth, icons constantly disappearing after reboot, Sense rebooting itself, etc. I don't care about its "cool" factor, I want control - its android, right? otherwise I'd just go get an ibone.
Thank you for that update on the 6.16 Hboot change and S-off/on status, its very helpful. Any thoughts on my question of new ROMs will know how to contact the Sprint network with all my information properly, or do I have to do something fancy to that.

I don't know...last month I couldn't root 2 or 3 weeks ago root pops up for GB 2.3.3 I rooted my phone and to tell you the truth I ain't gonna lie I'm still a noob when it comes to rooting...but I think once you try it yo ass ain't never goin back lol cuz I've been on CM7 this whole time and I'm blown away I'm gonna try out vaelpak RC2 tonight when I get home there's just so much you can do...but that's jus my opinion
Spectacles, Testicles, Wallet & Watch, evO²·³·³

does anyone know what sense version this update is or is it still the crappy sense 1.0