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Touch pro2 vs. Omnia II

I know its kind of biased posting on this thread but I wanted your guys honest advice. I am a US AT&T subscriber and have been saving and waiting for the Fortress (TP2) to make its long awaited release. But recently I have been reading reviews and awing at the specs for the Samsung Omnia II and now it has grabbed my attention due to the awesome AMOLED screen, 800 mhz processor, 1900 mhz 3G at&t band etc. In fact the only two faults i can find with that phone are the lack of a hardware keyboard and built in stylus. I was hoping you guys could (unbiasly) voice your comparison of the two devices so you can help me make a definitive decision.
Thanks

Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.

vakbrain said:
Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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And its for this reason that I am having difficulty choosing. I would most likely use the phone for web surfing, hulu, email etc. (multimedia) but I would also use a stylus frequently for taking quick handwritten notes. So essentially I would be happy with the omnia II if it had a built in stylus (since it can do pretty much anything the TP2 can do except screen tilt).

Have you heard of the Omnia Pro? It doesn't address your stylus concerns, but it does have a keyboard.
Have you considered the Touch HD or Toshiba tg01 (snapdragon but same OmniaII stylus concern)? The 4"+ screen might be nicer for taking handwritten notes. I believe the Touch HD also has a successor on the way, though I can't keep track of all the names out there.
Personally I would never consider one of those keyboardless devices, but different strokes... If multimedia is a big concern of yours, you might wait to see how the TG01 and current devices fare with real flash once it is finalized for winmo (hopefully) this fall. It's hard to know if current processors like TP2/Omnia's will really be able handle Hulu in a pleasing way because Adobe's promised mobile flash solution isn't here yet to test it out.

I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.

is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?

nekrosoft13 said:
is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I'm not sure about the omnia pro, but the omnia II will likely only see a release on Verizon in the fall. The current unlocked model has the 1900 mhz At&t 3g band though.

nekrosoft13 said:
is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure verizon still has exclusive rights to the omnia family. I say AT&T should propose a trade: give up exclusivity for the iPhone in exchange for exclusivity of the omnia family

screw it, I will probably grab the ATT Fuze (touch pro). It is $99 right now, don't want to spend 200+ on touch pro2
I like the small size of the wing

poppinpengawen said:
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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Yes, agree. The stylus hanging outside the phone is a stupid design and that puts me off since the first version of Omnia when it is launch some time back. Guess the N97 also follows the similar stupid design.

poppinpengawen said:
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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All AMOLED screens are basically useless in sunlight, not really samsung's fault. I have read this everywhere.

yes amoled screen is useless under direct sunlight....but it consumes less battery
omnia 2 should be compared to diamond 2, not touch pro 2 and i vote for omnia 2 compared to diamond 2..... especially if i have to compare the multimedia part.
tp2 should be compared to omnia pro to be fair.....

Wooh, In my opinion:
I do like the big built-in memory of OmniaII and hate the non-practical small built-in memory of Touch Pro2.
However, I do hate the shortcoming of OmniaII without built-in stylus. I do need the stylus for my Chinese handwriting, also for some traditional software which is not designed for finger friendly.
it's easy for me to buy the Touch pro2 at that time the OmniaII did not come up to market yet.

I'm waiting on both of them, but my leanings are to the Omnia II. The processor and ram put it far ahead IMO. I hardly use a stylus now so I won't miss it, and in regards to visibility outdoors I don't foresee that as being a problem either. The main concern I have is the touch screen keyboard, resistive vs. capacitive in that regard are worlds different. I love the hard keyboard on my titan but for everything else the Omnia II sports I would be willing to give that up...assuming the onscreen keyboard is efficient.

Omnia 2 vs TP2
Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. Better screen, better cpu, better internal memory, better camera with video, and better BATTERY! To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really cant live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?) then maybe the TP2 is for you. But since i run a business and use phones like these frequently, having a pen stylus on hand or just using the end of my pen for instant input is more handy than a built in keyboard. Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
And i was planning on getting the TP2 when it comes out in tmobile but given the raw data and specs, youd be crazy NOT to get the OMNIA 2. Almost like picking a Nissan than a BENZ. If it comes out in Tmobile i wouldnt think twice about trading in my TP2 for an OMNIA 2.
Samsung Omnia is a better business and multimedia phone. It looks to be an amazing device!

shazzy84 said:
Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch VWGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight!Both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really can live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?). Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
Samsung Omnia is a better phone.
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2

mcspikesky said:
That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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Biased? Whats biased is having this discussion on a Rhodium discussion board- thats whats biased. Im a huge supported of HTC devices but its clear as day to look at the Omnia 2 and Touch pro 2 and declare which one is better...OMNIA 2 in every which way and trust me when i tell you AMOLED screens are amazing in sunlight. Amazing. I can see some things with my kaiser or G1 when the brightnes is the highest but with a AMOLED, you see everything and your brightness doesnt need to be high at all. And i tell you this from EXPERIENCE, not some silly video review. Oh, and the keyboard is amazing for TP2 but you cant judge a phone just based on keyboard. But because the Omnia 2 has a 3.7 inch screen, the onboard keyboard is LARGE and will be better for guys with larger fingers, like me(which is why i always look for a phone with a large keyboard like my old phone- the G1 and Kaiser). lol- and the reason why the TP2 doesnt win in each event is because it doesnt match up with the Omnia 2. I forgot to add the OMNIA 2 has dedicated graphics processing for better video taking and gaming and watching video(beats TP2 in contrast- looks much better viewing videos from a larger, better, brighter screen) and with the faster processor you get faster multitasking! COME' ON!
OMNIA 2 wins all the way. HANDS DOWN!

shazzy84 said:
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
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I agree on this
shazzy84 said:
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
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I'll believe that when I'll see one myself... Everybody say that AMOLEDs screen are not good in direct sunlight tough.
shazzy84 said:
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
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Equal !?!? The fact that we don't have to buy a pen stylus on the TP2 (because it's included) is maybe a minor point, but it's a + for TP2 ... don't you think ?
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4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
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Don't you think the Omnia 16gbs will cost more than 2gbs model ? Internal storage is not as important as you say... imo at least. I've paid 60$ for a 16 gb microsd 4 month ago (10 mbs transfert rate). But, considering that Omnia as more internal memoy, Samsung wins ...
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5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
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I agree with on this. Samsung definitely wins this one. But I own a panasonic ZS3 digital camera (its a small point&shoot camera) that can record 720p vids with extremely good quality, so I don't really care about the camera on the cellphone
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5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
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Honestly, touchflo 3d is a hell of a good interface...
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6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
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TELUS TP2 has a 3.5mm headphone jack (every CDMA TP2 might have one). So if you own a CDMA version, it's equal, and if you own a GSM version, samsung wins. (Mine is a TELUS' )
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7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
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I agree x100 .. The keyboard, the dual speaker and the dual mic are must-have for every business users in mind.
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8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
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I don't know the battery life on Omnia so I can't comment this one. Anyway, the battery can be replaced by more powerful one. Both are not damn Iphones
So, if a little bit more colorful screen, faster cpu, more internal storage and better camera (which has only 1.8 mpx more btw) is every for you, go for Omnia. Otherwise, if a perfect keyboard with a tilting screen, dual speakers, dual mics with noise cancelling, CDMA & GSM on the same phone (woldwide edition which I own), then go for the TP2.
Both are extremely good cellphones ! This is only my opinion, nothing more

Did i mention, internal storage means faster loading of apps, files, music, videos, etc- way faster than any micro sd slot which is why flash memory devices are prefered over devices not built with internal storage. Combine the internal storage speed and the fast 800mhz cpu you have super fast rendering of pics, music, video, browsing web, opening apps, opening and editing word documents, excel, pdfs, powerpoint, inventory apps, etc(for business and multimedia freaks). And it has a micro sd slot! The camera also have dual flash and the amoled screen has a faster response time. But when i look at a phone the keyboard, dual speakers and mics, and tilting screen is somewhat important(keyboard is very important) but the dual speakers only work in conference calls.
So if you want people in the streets, malls, house, video store, etc to hear what you want to say then they arent as relevant as one may think. Since they both run WM6.1, the question is- do you want a faster, longer lasting, better, larger, brighter screen, with working FM radio(right out of the box), with better mulimedia functions then the OMNIA 2 is for you. If you want a slower(in compariso to the OMNIA 2), less multimediaish, with a keyboard(excellent), lesser screen (in comparison to OMNIA 2), without working FM radio then the Touch Pro 2 is for you.
To put simply, The Omnia 2 is an iphone with multitasking ability, and advance WM user interface for advanced calendar, to-do list, phone capabilities IMO.

I have read that OLED's are better outdoors, but the little I've seen from previews/reviews on the OMNIAII say that the screen has poor sunlight visibility.
Secondly, if you use a stylus, then having an external one is not the same. It means one more thing to carry, possibly lose, and using a normal pen isn't a good idea (they're not made to prevent scratches on touch screens and can leave ink stains which might take a while to remove). And if you choose to have a stylus dangling from your phone like with the Toshiba G01, it kinda ruins the sleek factor.
What's with the "Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!"? Okay, .1 inches larger, it's better, but not a huge difference, and the resolution is the SAME.
And a slight correction: the dual speakers only work in a conference call, sure, but the dual mics can do their noise cancelling magic in conference calls (you can even choose the level of noise cancellation) and on normal calls, meaning that they DO help in malls, streets, house, video store, etc.
The video recording might be better, but it is NOT nearHD, 480p is VGA or D1 (DVD quality).
I agree that the Samsung Omnia II is better in some respects, but one poster said you were biased, and though maybe you're not, it seems so due to the enthusiasm and slight exagerrations in some cases (I said slight).
And one thing that I find shocking is the observation on phonarena that despite the more powerful processor of the OMNIAII, the homescreen lags, a lot, regularly. As shown in the quote on wmpowerusers:
Despite the beefed up processing power the spinning WinMo beach ball still pops up at times and this is most noticeable on the homescreen. Within the menus we rarely saw it, but flicking from homepage to homepage produces a 5-10 second delay while waiting for the widgets to load, which is infuriating. The widgets are a great idea, and some of them (like AccuWeather and Google) are very helpful, but it’s just not quick enough. Furthermore, we often found ourselves pressing options two and three times to activate them and not being able to drag widgets around unless they were pressed just right. This problem was only in the homescreen (here we really missed HTC’s TouchFLO 3D), throughout the rest of the phone it was very responsive and accurat
The OMNIAII does have the advantage in various fields. But not in all, so in the end it will be up to the individual user what he or she prefers.

f*k the specs...give us a product that actually works

[begin rant]
I am so tired of specs right now because the more you know the more you sink in to the mud-hole. Give me something that I can "touch", "see" & "feel" as better.
Eg.
My current 2 of 3 phones:
1. iphone 3g has 412Mhz processor.
2. Pure has 528Mhz processor
3. iphone 3g has 2 Megapixel camera
4. Pure has 5 Megapixel camera
But does it run faster or take better pictures? NO
For picture quality comparison of the 3g vs pure, See here
Note: my 3rd phone is the iphone 3GS.
So F*k the specs.
[end of rant]

Hei, easy tiger
Why do you rant about Pure vs iPhone here? Take it somewhere else ...j/k.
You are right, at the end, it is not the hardware spec, but "user experience".
That is (user experience) what Microsoft currently is trying to bring with their new product, WP7S.
You know, it is a "new" product. It does not even exist yet (purchaseable).
Still a lot of questions unanswered (which you will have some more clues after MIX10).
So, take it easy
Btw, about "that actually works" ... that's really depend on the user, the person who use the device.
Some users want to have full access to the device, OS, hardware, hack this, hack that, fully-super-duper-multitasking, bunch of sensors.
Some users just want to use the phone as it is ... enough with web browser, play youtube, facebook, twitter and email.
Some users just want to use the phone ... you know, for calling someone else
Like my wife, she is using Touch Dual. Why? Because she hates touch phone! Yupe, she hates iPhone, and all "latest" Windows Mobile devices.
She likes to use the phone for ... calling me and her friends, playing Solitaire (that's all) and occasionally using the TomTom 6 for navigation.
My other friend bought HTC Touch Diamond 2 and she does not have any clue. She "asked" why I have to re-charge the battery every afternoon?
I looked into her phone and I saw bunch of apps running in the background: Contact, Fring, ActiveSync, SMS ...
I told her, you must close those! She again asked "Why? Cant they close them self automatically?"
I said "Sometimes, no" ... and I could not continue. I told her husband to put custom ROM ... bla bla (of course they cant do it!).
For my wife, the HTC Touch Dual "does works", big time.
For my friend, the HTC Touch Diamond 2 "does not work" (They are now thinking to switch to iPhone).
Although HTC Touch Dual is way less spec wise!

Since I had a Touch HD and done lots of comparison shots to the iPhone 3G, I am sure the Pure's camera is actually quite a bit better.
The Pure is certainly not faster, though, and definitely less fluid. The MHz count of the Pure's processor is misleading, as it is really quite slow. Plus, Windows Mobile doesn't have nice animations and fluid physics - it has ugly screen redrawing (though it's actually not slower than iPhone OS, but a lot less fluid).
Anyway,
specs do matter. The problem is, you never get to know all the specs. The MHz and Mpixel numbers simply aren't ebough to say whether a processor is fast or a camera chip is good.
There are lots of other factors involved. But they won't tell you the "performace per clock" numbers or the "light sensitivity" and size of the camera sensor.
So, it's not that specs don't matter, it's just that you don't get to know the numbers that actually do matter. What can you do? Well, I know it's hard, but you actually have to inform yourself as much as you can, so that reading spec sheets will give you the knowledge you need before buying a device.
And you have to try for yourself. And I know it's hard, often you don't get the possibility to try a handset without buying it, and reviews usually don't give enough information, especially if you care about "small features" that usually don't get talked about in reviews.
So, keep cool
Specs can be misleading, but only because regular people don't look behind the raw numbers and have no clue about what really counts. But that doesn't mean phone makers should take away the spec sheets... some users do know what really counts, and spec sheets help them a lot to make their desicion.
Actually, they're helpful more often than not, e.g. I know Snapdragon, Cortex and ARMv7 mean "faaaast". Regular people may not know that, but it won't hurt them to read "Snapdragon" on the spec sheet either. Because in the end, they'll always have to try the phones for themselves (or at least try to get enough info from reviews).
How do you think companies can give you something to "touch", "see" & "feel"? Free try&buy devices? Not going to happen. Spec sheets give at least some hints, since there's no better alternative. And if you do your homework, they will be quite helpful
Calm down... nothing to rant about here

Thanks for the warm note my friend.....
I am a spec guy myself, but I feel as if I was cheated/scammed this time, partly because I am not a mobile device person, and definitely was not aware of this crazy MSM and ARM differences. Now I know....ha ha
Now as far as the camera goes, I know quite a bit as I am in it for a few years now, enough to say that megapixels are just the tip of the iceberg. Higher megapixel within the same sensor family is better, but then there are chips that provide better pictures at the same or less megapixels. i.e. CMOS vs. CCD . On top of that, there is the lens and the processing engine to add on to it.
The camera software in the Pure is not very good. I will tell you that. It takes quite some time for it to find the right white balance under room lighted conditions. The iphone is pretty good/better at that.

The camera software in the Pure is not very good. I will tell you that.
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I know. It's quite bad, actually. That's what I hated about my Touch HD. But nevertheless, my HD took much better pictures than the iPhone 3G (in most cases, at least). I'm sure that's also the case with the Pure.
When it comes to cellphone cameras, however, spec sheets are mostly useless.
They never tell you about anything other than the Mpixel number - which of course means nothing (though I wouldn't want to have less than 5).
The camera is very important to me. Reviews are mostly useless, because they never make direct comparisons under the same conditions. I end up buying several phones, comparing the cameras, and then selling them again... crazy, but that's all I can do
The HD2's camera is actually the first smartphone camera I would be satisfied with - if I could make the flash not overexpose everything that's less than 3m away

seed_al said:
I know. It's quite bad, actually. That's what I hated about my Touch HD. But nevertheless, my HD took much better pictures than the iPhone 3G (in most cases, at least). I'm sure that's also the case with the Pure.
When it comes to cellphone cameras, however, spec sheets are mostly useless.
They never tell you about anything other than the Mpixel number - which of course means nothing (though I wouldn't want to have less than 5).
The camera is very important to me. Reviews are mostly useless, because they never make direct comparisons under the same conditions. I end up buying several phones, comparing the cameras, and then selling them again... crazy, but that's all I can do
The HD2's camera is actually the first smartphone camera I would be satisfied with - if I could make the flash not overexpose everything that's less than 3m away
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Flash overexpose - now if only they would provide TTL flash intensity control. Goodness....
2M vs 5M
My LG-VU actually took much better pictures than the iphone 3G and Pure. The only problem was that you would not realize that until you transferred it to your PC, courtesy of the crappy resistive plasticky screen.
I still have it. Maybe I will use it as a camera only

Cameras... bleh. All smartphone cameras are awful.
But I do have to agree here: Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
Of course, I know the reason for this, but it certainly does make me hope that Microsoft sorts this out with WP7S.
(Though, never, EVER, would I buy anything that supports Apple...)
EDIT: Also, I've had lots of people say that my Touch Pro's screen was "less sensitive/accurate than iPod/iPhone's". Even though I've tried to explain it, the average user just doesn't get it.

Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
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No way
It's not going to beat a Snapdragon phone.
The iPhone 3G isn't that fast, actually. It's barely faster than the QCOM MSM phones, but of course much more smooth/fluid (and that despite it has 100MHz less).
Smartphone cameras? Yes, they're not good. But I'm not going to buy a dumbphone because of the camera.

Jaxbot said:
Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
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You won't say that once you gets your hands on a HD2 (with or without custom rom I might add). It's probably the 1st (and last) HTC WinMo 6.5 phone with enough grunt to power thru practically anything. The only reason why an iPhone might feel faster is because it presents you with a flashy animation before actually loading up the app. WM phones don't do this.
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EDIT: Also, I've had lots of people say that my Touch Pro's screen was "less sensitive/accurate than iPod/iPhone's"
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Used to have a Touch HD and preferred resistive touchscreens. Several months with a HD2 changed my mind I do think resistive touchscreens are actually more accurate though, I can touch-type way faster on my HD than I can on the HD2. But that could just be a Wm 6.5 limitation.

Ok. here's the deal. CCD sensors are more noisy and most HTC camera probably use CCD sensor given the noise in low light pictures.
after researching a bit, I found out that the iphone uses CMOS sensors which actually produce a smoother, less noisy picture. No wonder.....my eyes can see the difference.
fyi...Canon uses CMOS sensors across it's line of decent to high end digital cameras, a big reason why it leads the market.
update: i also just found out that the HD2 uses a CMOS sensor too. no wonder u hd2 owners love the picture quality of the hd2.

seed_al said:
No way
It's not going to beat a Snapdragon phone.
The iPhone 3G isn't that fast, actually. It's barely faster than the QCOM MSM phones, but of course much more smooth/fluid (and that despite it has 100MHz less).
Smartphone cameras? Yes, they're not good. But I'm not going to buy a dumbphone because of the camera.
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I'm not referring to the speed, I'm referring to the navigatability (and how "fluid" it is).
Of course, I always laugh when I see the animations on someone's iPhone, because it really does make it seem like the app loads faster than it does (Hint to Microsoft?).

chiks19018 said:
Ok. here's the deal. CCD sensors are more noisy and most HTC camera probably use CCD sensor given the noise in low light pictures.
after researching a bit, I found out that the iphone uses CMOS sensors which actually produce a smoother, less noisy picture. No wonder.....my eyes can see the difference.
fyi...Canon uses CMOS sensors across it's line of decent to high end digital cameras, a big reason why it leads the market.
update: i also just found out that the HD2 uses a CMOS sensor too. no wonder u hd2 owners love the picture quality of the hd2.
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Then check again.
CCD was always superior to CMOS and probably will be for a long time(that is why they use it in science).
Almost all mobile phones(there are only few that use CCD - mostly in japan) today use CMOS sensors because they're cheaper.
Basically mobile phones are mostly using 1/3.2" sensors if not smaller and at that size CCD would offer better picture quality and low light sensitivity but would be bigger so the phone would be bigger that is why ODM's are using CMOS sensors.
More expensive CMOS sensors are used in DSLR's but show me just one P&S camera that uses CMOS.
So both HTC(all HTC's) and iphone use CMOS sensors but probably from different manufacturers hence the difference in quality and noise level.
So once and for all. For mobile use CCD would be better but it is bigger and not as cheap as CMOS sensor. In high end DSLR market it is not so clear that is why both CCD and CMOS sensors are used.

I am back to fk the specs....
It appears that at this time, there is no clear defining line between CCD and CMOS. both are very competitive, both offering it's own advantages, strengths and weaknesses.
CMOS is the future
Canon making CMOS for compact cameras
Turns out that Canon surprised everyone with its amazing CMOS
technology. Imagine that surprise that its CMOS sensor has a much
better noise performance than any known CCDs. Even Phil Askey said
the image was "silky smooth" - some wondered, "it looks too smooth,
some details must have been removed" but a closer examination found
no evidence.
Link
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haha

chiks19018 said:
I am back to fk the specs....
It appears that at this time, there is no clear defining line between CCD and CMOS. both are very competitive, both offering it's own advantages, strengths and weaknesses.
CMOS is the future
Canon making CMOS for compact cameras
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I never said CMOS was worse for DSLR. On the contrary I admitted that today both CMOS and CCD fair well in DSLR's. Considering the size of the sensor low light sensitivity seems to be equal between the two.
What I meant is that for small sizes CCD is best(almost all point&shoot cameras) and mobile phones where unfortunately manufacturers decide to use cheaper CMOS sensors - remember that there are better CMOS used in high end cameras and cheap ones used in mobile phones and PC cameras. Unfortunately we get cheap sensors in our mobile phones.

I think he reason why they are making the spec's high is because they want everything to touch and feel better. So why f*** the specs? I'm pretty sure that's going to be important. You put a 538mhz proc in a WP7 it's probably not going to want to move.

Wishmaster89 said:
I never said CMOS was worse for DSLR. On the contrary I admitted that today both CMOS and CCD fair well in DSLR's. Considering the size of the sensor low light sensitivity seems to be equal between the two.
What I meant is that for small sizes CCD is best(almost all point&shoot cameras) and mobile phones where unfortunately manufacturers decide to use cheaper CMOS sensors - remember that there are better CMOS used in high end cameras and cheap ones used in mobile phones and PC cameras. Unfortunately we get cheap sensors in our mobile phones.
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chill man, I am not arguing with you, nor I am putting you down. In fact I liked your post. made me do some more research!

The specs that the phone companies provide are like a girl saying she wears DD bra size.
When you take it off you realize that it was padded on a B size

OMG I just solved the flash exposure issue with a new driver from HTC!!
Wow that feels good! What a great camera phone I have now!!
Sorry, guys, for being OT, but I'm so happy^^

*LOL* ..... Thanks for that! I got a good laugh
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When you take it off you realize that it was padded on a B size
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The Specs the HD 7 should of had.

I am feeling a little let down with the current release of WM7 phones.
There was a real chance for HTC in particular to do a Killer WM7 phone but instead we get a rehashed HD2 and poor build quality.
It could have been the best phone on offer buy a long shot.
These are the specification we should of been offered.
1 GHz Qualcomm 8260 Snapdragon processor
WM7 with HTC Hub
16 or 32 GB Memory
768 MB of RAM
Size: 123 x 68 x 11.8mm (4.84 x 2.67 x 0.46 inches)
Weight: 164 grams (5.78 ounces) with battery
4.3″, WVGA resolution Capacitive display
HSPA/WCDMA (900/2100 MHz) and GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
Bluetooth® 2.1, A2DP, FTP, OPP, and PBAP
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
3.5 mm stereo audio jack
Standard micro-USB (for charging and syncing)
8 megapixel color camera with auto focus and dual LED flash with 720p HD video recording
1500 mAh rechargeable lithium ion battery
Motion, proximity, and ambient light sensor
4 G compatible.
1.3 mega-pixel front facing camera
Most of these specs are straight from the HTC Desire HD.
This phone would of been spot on for me.

rrrr... what? there is very little in your specs list that would make it that much better. like 768 MB of ram. That is an improvement but not much imo. and all this is pretty much already the HD7. I havent really been following the HD7 so i dont know the exact specs but, it does look the same

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rrrr... what? there is very little in your specs list that would make it that much better. like 768 MB of ram. That is an improvement but not much imo. and all this is pretty much already the HD7. I havent really been following the HD7 so i dont know the exact specs but, it does look the same
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8 megapixel camera [Only 5 meg in HD 7]
1500 mAh rechargeable lithium ion battery. [1230 mAh HD 7]
A secondary camera of 1.3 MP is also offered for video calling. [Sorry forgot to add this one.]
Also it is Qualcomm® QSD 8650. [I will correct it]
And 4 G compatable.
Also the build of the HD 7 is not as good as HTC Desire HD.

QSD 8250 / 8650 is the same processor more or less - difference is the latter does CDMA.

People need to stop whining about the specs already.

come on guys its HTC, u know how they market their products.. just wait for a few months they will bring out a HTC whatever name it is will this and that. this is how they make money..
look at all those HTC wp7 phone, i seen 2 of them and what can i say.. the OS is awesome phone is ****.. feels like really cheap plastic.. and yes my friends hates me for saying there new phone is crap.
why does HTC need to bring out 4 wp7 phone there is no advantage if u compare it.. apart from the 8 mega camera

MS managed to get OEMs not to screw the system or drivers or anything. HTC found a way around. Screw chassis. What were they thinking? "Hey, there's small space between battery cover and chassis!" "Blah, doesn't matter, WE HAVE DRIVERS FROM MICROSOFT, IT IS MICROSOFT'S FAULT!!" or what??
// talking about HD7

If you compare the specs to some other Android devices then the specs are not that bad for first gen WP7 devices.
They are all at least 1Ghz and thats good for new smart phone buyers.

+ MicroSD Support
+ ALMOND SCREEN

The only thing I think on this list as an improvment is the bigger battery but saying that its still better than the desire in real world use. Plus it won't take much to sell a bigger battery in the store.
More ram is not needed it only improves perfomance if you fill the lower amount and that's only happens with androids rubbish managment.
Front cameras don't sell phones nobody really uses then and just use up space.
Build quality is solid never held a phone that's felt so well made.
On top the screen rocks so what its LCD you can only tell if you put them side by side and its better in the sun.
All in all its s top notch phone and I love it makes android look amature and unfinished and IOS look dull

The thing with the CPU is that it will perform better than the Desire HD in most cases anyways, since the Dalvik VM in android is pretty slow compared to the .NET CLR engine.
Also, most android apps are designed to work on the mid end devices so very few does use the full potential of a High End Android device.
I think that android is going to dominate MidEnd in the future, and WP7 and iOS compete in High end.

Sir. Haxalot said:
The thing with the CPU is that it will perform better than the Desire HD in most cases anyways, since the Dalvik VM in android is pretty slow compared to the .NET CLR engine.
Also, most android apps are designed to work on the mid end devices so very few does use the full potential of a High End Android device.
I think that android is going to dominate MidEnd in the future, and WP7 and iOS compete in High end.
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It might turn out that way who knows. If it does wouldn't you want your high end phone to have the best specs.

Dr.Mazika said:
+ MicroSD Support
+ ALMOND SCREEN
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Wut?
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lumpaywk said:
The only thing I think on this list as an improvment is the bigger battery but saying that its still better than the desire in real world use. Plus it won't take much to sell a bigger battery in the store.
More ram is not needed it only improves perfomance if you fill the lower amount and that's only happens with androids rubbish managment.
Front cameras don't sell phones nobody really uses then and just use up space.
Build quality is solid never held a phone that's felt so well made.
On top the screen rocks so what its LCD you can only tell if you put them side by side and its better in the sun.
All in all its s top notch phone and I love it makes android look amature and unfinished and IOS look dull
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This is not what some reviews are saying about it.
Hopping you are right though
Here is one link where they mention build quality:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
If you have had one at hand is it as well built as the HD2??

I suspect that you are somehow commercially tied to O2 perhaps?
lumpaywk said:
The only thing I think on this list as an improvment is the bigger battery but saying that its still better than the desire in real world use. Plus it won't take much to sell a bigger battery in the store.
More ram is not needed it only improves perfomance if you fill the lower amount and that's only happens with androids rubbish managment.
Front cameras don't sell phones nobody really uses then and just use up space.
Build quality is solid never held a phone that's felt so well made.
On top the screen rocks so what its LCD you can only tell if you put them side by side and its better in the sun.
All in all its s top notch phone and I love it makes android look amature and unfinished and IOS look dull
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HTC Eternity leaked: 4.7" Display, Front Facing Camera.

Competition for Nokia is starting, which is great for us
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/htc-eternity-leaked-1-5ghz-4-7-inch-display-front-facing-came/

Peew971 said:
Competition for Nokia is starting, which is great for us
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/htc-eternity-leaked-1-5ghz-4-7-inch-display-front-facing-came/
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Yeah, just stumbled accross it on twitter. Pretty much reminds me of my next handset.

4.7 and 1.5 Single core. Fake. Or 4.3 with overclocked 1ghz, real.

Happy with the CPU and front facing camera, not so happy with the screen size. That's huuuge

Have to ask, what so special about this? Big screen, which could be too big and no AMOLED, slight bump in processor speed, typical crappy htc camera and of course inadequate storage. Heck even Dell now has 32GB DVP's. Since FFC's will likely come on most Mango handsets what has this got over a Nokia with a proven record in phone cameras and better build quality? Plus this looks like just another htc android handset so design wise again is behind Nokia. Add in Samsung and their Super Amoled II screens and this is not that impressive to me.

cmon htc......a screen that big needs an amoled display not SLCD. a sumsung device similar to the infuse 4g running wp7 will easily top this. in my opinion.
my next wp7 device must have and amoled screen and i was hoping it will come from htc, might just go Samsung or nokia depending on what tmobile picks up

efjay said:
Have to ask, what so special about this? Big screen, which could be too big and no AMOLED, slight bump in processor speed, typical crappy htc camera and of course inadequate storage. Heck even Dell now has 32GB DVP's. Since FFC's will likely come on most Mango handsets what has this got over a Nokia with a proven record in phone cameras and better build quality? Plus this looks like just another htc android handset so design wise again is behind Nokia. Add in Samsung and their Super Amoled II screens and this is not that impressive to me.
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dude u read my mind.....plus freaking one!

efjay said:
slight bump in processor speed
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A slight bump? It's a 50% bump. A 1.5 GHz single will probably outperform a 1 GHz dual core in most smartphone applications for the time being. This is the best CPU we can possibly get from this round of devices, I'm glad to see someone using it.

efjay said:
Have to ask, what so special about this? Big screen, which could be too big and no AMOLED, slight bump in processor speed, typical crappy htc camera and of course inadequate storage. Heck even Dell now has 32GB DVP's. Since FFC's will likely come on most Mango handsets what has this got over a Nokia with a proven record in phone cameras and better build quality? Plus this looks like just another htc android handset so design wise again is behind Nokia. Add in Samsung and their Super Amoled II screens and this is not that impressive to me.
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I don't really care for this particular phone (4.7" is mad anyway) but I like the idea that OEMs are prepared to make better phones this time around. If anything this gets me excited for Samsung's next phones.
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Can't say I would want this size of phone, though it does sound nice. 4.3" is as big as I would care to go.

what a monster of phone
compared to the desire hd its again bigger:
http://versus.io/en/htc-eternity-vs-htc-desire-hd

MartyLK said:
Can't say I would want this size of phone, though it does sound nice. 4.3" is as big as I would care to go.
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Have you ever played with the Infuse? It feels somehow smaller than the Inspire yet the screen is massive and sooo beautiful.

ryude said:
Have you ever played with the Infuse? It feels somehow smaller than the Inspire yet the screen is massive and sooo beautiful.
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I've got a DVP (4" screen). The Infuse (4.5") makes my DVP look like Shaq to Vern Troyer. I can only imagine what a 4.7" screen would be like.
Anyway, that's overly large, for me anyway. I'll be looking at the next Samsung or more than likely Nokia, as Sammy is doin' wonky things with firmware.
But, I'll be keeping an eye out for the Acers and Fujitsus. All depends on what hits T-mobile. Either way, good to see that the OEMs are stepping up their hardware game, even if the designs aren't all that original.

Way to big, my max is 4"

Seriously, don't complain about 4.7". I have a 5" Dell Streak and it's perfectly pocketable and the browsing and gameplay experience is second to none.
Having said that, as much as Mango is a much more desirable release of WP7, I'd much prefer this device with Sense and Android Honeycomb.

It will be better if HTC trim outside screen area so they can have 4.7" screen with smaller size than the current design

That's a freaking huge phone. Curious: when you say the dell streak is pocketable, do you mean in normal jeans pockets ?

A few of my colleagues have dell streaks, and no they are not pocketable. They use a belt clip to hold it to their waist.

if the entire back panel was a battery, it would rock. too bad it won't be, and it will suck, like all phones' batteries do now.
someday they'll sacrifice being the thinnest for longevity. someday.

PG2G said:
A slight bump? It's a 50% bump. A 1.5 GHz single will probably outperform a 1 GHz dual core in most smartphone applications for the time being. This is the best CPU we can possibly get from this round of devices, I'm glad to see someone using it.
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Complete bull****.

A word about some of the complaints that people on the forums seem to be making

List of complaints that need to be addressed because people keep making threads on them:
1. The Camera is 5 MP.
Okay, anybody who things that megapixels = quality probably knows very little about photography. More megapixels in many cases introduces more noise, especially considering how small the camera is.
If you want to print photos at a letter sized at 300 ppi, invest in a REAL camera. A low end DSLR will blow any phone out of the water; the image sensor is several times as large.
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/more/cameras/megapixel_converter.html
Until we see this phone next to a Galaxy S2 and an iPhone 4S taking pictures in a controlled environment, we can't say that this camera sucks.
2. The pentile display
It is currently not possible to make a 1280x720 or 1280x800 RBG display at the size we want and if they made it bigger, it would be very expensive.
http://pentileblog.com/uncategorized/pentile-for-720-hd-oled-smartphones/
The Galaxy Note has reached a point where some people say that they cannot see the subpixels, so this phone should not be a problem.
The only real valid criticism that the screen has a "blue" tint. For those that are unfamiliar with OLED technology, blue subpixels have the shortest lifespan. This was a deliberate decision by Samsung to maximize screen life.
Overall, side by side comparisons indicate that this is a step forward from the GS2.
3. The SOC/GPU
I am also disappointed in the PowerVR SGX540, but given the circumstances, it is the best SOC they could have chosen. The only alternative would have been the Exynos 4210 (the 4212 uses a new 32nm process not available and is only "sampling" right now) or the Qualcomm Scorpion, with its Adreno 220, which is inferior in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Of particular concern is the new generation of more demanding games and the fact that this GPU needs to drive a 1280x720 screen.
We need to see some real benchmarks as ICS may have had some under the hood optimizations and how it stacks up to the Tegra 3, which will come out in a couple of months. The Tegra 2's GPU was by no means better than the lower clocked (btw, did I mention that this GPU is higher clocked than the one on the GS1?), SGX540 on the first generation of Galaxy S phones.
The OMAP SOC on board is native 1.5 GHz, so I'm sure that you will be able to overclock it back to native clockspeed. I fully anticipate 2 GHz+ mods to come out afterwards.
4. It's too big
Your opinion. I like big phones.
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
6. No SD Card
This is one I am also disappointed at. It's a trend in the Nexus phones right now. Google seems to be encouraging cloud usage. I dislike this one as well, because data is expensive and ICS specifically has data management tools reflecting this.
Somewhat mitigating this is that there are 32 GB versions available and that internal storage is faster than a class 10 SD card.
7. DAC and sound quality?
Unknown and I eagerly await the answer.
Will I buy this phone?
Actually, I am undecided. I want to see reviews first and hold it. I am also eagerly waiting to see what the DAC is. Come H2 2012, A15 parts and perhaps an RGB version of the 720p display are probable. I will however buy it if I can get a sweet deal.

Couldn't agree more on peeps complaining about the 5mp camera!! I have a 3.2mp Sony digital camera that is probably 10 years old. It isn't even a DSLR. But it takes far superior pictures than my 8mp camera on my Charge. Why? In a word, optics !! My old camera has a Zeiss lens on it. It is folly IMO to expect high quality pictures from a phone camera !! If you want to be a photographer, buy a camera !!

All valid points, was a good write up. I especially agree with the point about waiting to see it in the flesh.

I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp

The issue I take up with the size is that it feels like there's a lot of blank and empty black space in not only the bezel (especially the bottom) but also with ICS. In general, the size and look of the device is both a love and hate. Sometimes I think it's gorgeous, and other times I think it's hideous. I think this is one of those "time will tell" things.

Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.

JCopernicus said:
Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.
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Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".

bmstrong said:
Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".
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Then why did you bother posting in the first place?

Enough.
The very purpose of this thread was to minimize this kind of trolling.

For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm

justabrake said:
I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp
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Stand closer?
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Bawb3 said:
Stand closer?
Use a program? I posted one earlier.
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i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore

justabrake said:
i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore
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Not camera apps. A program to enlarge a picture there are some for professional use. You know there's still something called a PC .
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ruthlesset said:
For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
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Stuff fits easily in empty pants, amazing.
-_-

I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Most of these "it won't fit my pocket" arguments are troll posts from people who have no intention of buying the phone.
I have played for a bit with the Galaxy Note. It was big, but it did fit in my jeans with my keys inside.

sauron0101 said:
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
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I'll be happy with the durability if its as good as the Galaxy S II. With curved design of the Nexus, it'll less likely to get screen damaged on drops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Any difference in the feel between the two SGS2 -Nexus

So I've had a dozen different android phones but none without an SD card. How does this work? Does it have a partition to mimic the sd card? Im going to get this phone regardless, but want to know if I can transfer all my files over from the sd card on my current phone.
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