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Best Desire froyo with Sense ROM?

Hi guys, I currently have ahmgsk's ROM on my desire. I wanted to know if there are any better ROMs out there? Namely, leedroid's ROM?
Please help!! Thanks
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U search the best ROM?
U will stuck at a ROM from Modaco =)
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...-online-kitchen-froyo-frf85-frf91-with-sense/

I guess it depends from what you mean by better....

xtcislove said:
U search the best ROM?
U will stuck at a ROM from Modaco =)
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...-online-kitchen-froyo-frf85-frf91-with-sense/
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But you will have to pay for it!

I mean in term OS stability, speed, reliable day to use. The one with the least problems or bugs.
In a nutshell, the one best closest to an original rom
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I'm also wondering about that. Still haven't taken the plunge from stock HTC Android 2.1 ROM yet...
Considering the ROMs posted here from LeeDroid, SanderX and fridlack. Or maybe the "original" DJ DROID one... (which I just read is getting an update very soon)
I'm also looking for something reliable and not too modified/customized.
Btw, do they all include a swedish language option?
Cheers!

I've found Pays-rom to be quite good, although wouldn't mind giving Modaco a go again.

Would say atm leedroids Rom is. Ity is very stable and I am yet to have a fc or any other real problem with it. The Rom has been out for nearly 24hrs and bar a few teething problems on the install this should be fixed with ver 1.3.
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what about ahmgsk
so what about ahmgsk's ROM? are they all better than that?
so advice guys, shall i change my ROM?

Nprussel's DeVillain Rom (no thread on xda for it, Google will get you there).
Works perfect. slick and fast. Can't find any bugs so far.

zzleezz said:
Nprussel's DeVillain Rom (no thread on xda for it, Google will get you there).
Works perfect. slick and fast. Can't find any bugs so far.
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This. Villain FTW.

so the ModaCo Kitchen ROM's, are they the best if i have a paid account?? better than the ones here?

I use OpenDesire. Give it a chance

so the ModaCo Kitchen ROM's, are they the best if i have a paid account?? better than the ones here?
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You won't go far wrong with Paul's ROMs at Modaco (only the kitchen's paid by the way - he usually releases "pre-baked" versions free) but if I were you I'd go for DeVillain if you want a SENSE ROM or DeFroST/Open Desire for a vanilla ROM.

Paul's Modaco Rom are the best !!!!

do you really have to pay for Paul's Modaco ROMs ?
They seem to freely available at their forum . . .
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...-desire-with-online-kitchen-froyo-with-sense/
What am i missing here ?

You have to pay if you want to use his rom-kitchen, where you can choose what app and what function goes into your personal rom, based on Pauls rom.
The free ones are "prebaked" by Paul.

I'm using VilliansRom and to be honest, It is very polished for a first release.
Only thing I don't like is the Market place is 2.1 not 2.2. however Flash 10.1 has been preinstalled. so it's not really an issue.
Speed is excellent, not sure if Defrost is quicker, but there is no lag.
Stability is very good, no FC yet
Battery life, no idea at the moment.
Widgets all working as far as I can tell.

leedroid vs devillain vs paul's rom (prebaked roms not yet alvailable)?
What do you choose? I was thinking to try it this weekend

I'm running DeVillain's ROM at the moment and it is very nice, but to me there just doesn't seem to be the community support behind it, e.g. the % and ring battery mod.
I'm about to try out LeeDrOiD's ROM.

rom selection help please

i recently rooted my phone and flashed arhd, and got some great help and advice from here regarding which rom to start with.
Now i am see`ing new roms, updated versions and am struggling to choose again - from what i can tell there are 3 x varieties - one that has sense, one without sense and a miui version, and then in al lthe threads of the seperate varieties they all seem to have the identicle set up - and same issues - most recent being no wifi connection, so an updated rom is released.
do people really flash a rom daily? or do you just stick with one that works?
i would like to have some sense 3 bits, but every rom seems to be sufferign the same problems and they all look the same except a different kernal is used, how do i choose?

Im after using a good few of the roms now and I was using CM7 since it came out. Yesterday I changed to honeysense HD and I must say I love it. I use SPB 3D shell launcher so it looks basically the same as alot of the other ones anyways but there are a few nice little changes in it that I love. You should seriously think about trying it. You wont be sad you tried it.

It's pure personal preference.
I have worked my way around judt about all the different flavour ROMs but my fav choice is resting solidly on the COREDROID Rom.
Just take some time and try each one I am sure you will find one you like. Ad for flashing all the time I did initialy but I settled down and the ROMs get better each time a new version is released.
Have fun
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I have just started getting into this and for the first few weeks flashed pretty much most roms that were available. I then found the MIUI rom and fell in love with it.
Coredroid is my favorite one of the sense type roms
It is down to personal preference and best thing to do is try a few of em and I'm sure you will find one that you like

t3rm3y said:
i recently rooted my phone and flashed arhd, and got some great help and advice from here regarding which rom to start with.
Now i am see`ing new roms, updated versions and am struggling to choose again - from what i can tell there are 3 x varieties - one that has sense, one without sense and a miui version, and then in al lthe threads of the seperate varieties they all seem to have the identicle set up - and same issues - most recent being no wifi connection, so an updated rom is released.
do people really flash a rom daily? or do you just stick with one that works?
i would like to have some sense 3 bits, but every rom seems to be sufferign the same problems and they all look the same except a different kernal is used, how do i choose?
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thats excatlly what i was going thru. I'm the kinda guy who flashes almost daily
I have had a run of almost all of them.
If you want to have pure sense 3 experience then RCmix kingdom is the one you could go for.But as it is still in beta/development stage you should expect few bug's here and there.
If you dont want to have bugs and have sense 3.0 parts (lockscreen,camera....) then i personally suggest lee driod or andriod revolution rom's with sense 3.0 addon's they are both stable rom's with very few issue's in them.
I'm currently am on RCmix 5.9 (Old school ) with sense 3.0 addons in it with lee's kernel.
On the other side Miui freshly squeezed is the best you could find which is close to sense like experience with the power of CM 7. Give it a try i'm sure it will tempt you to forget sense for a while
Hope this help you out
Happy flashing

HoneySense
I am using the Honeysense HD rom. It is great, the dev is very dedicated and releases updates very quickly.

I was looking at honeysense. Looks good from images and thread messages. Cheers for replies everyone.
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I'm running Coredroid and have been very happy with it.

t3rm3y said:
i recently rooted my phone and flashed arhd, and got some great help and advice from here regarding which rom to start with.
Now i am see`ing new roms, updated versions and am struggling to choose again - from what i can tell there are 3 x varieties - one that has sense, one without sense and a miui version, and then in al lthe threads of the seperate varieties they all seem to have the identicle set up - and same issues - most recent being no wifi connection, so an updated rom is released.
do people really flash a rom daily? or do you just stick with one that works?
i would like to have some sense 3 bits, but every rom seems to be sufferign the same problems and they all look the same except a different kernal is used, how do i choose?
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DUDE!! If you have DHD then the ROM(s) to follow are LeeDroid and RCMIX Kingdom.. At the moment both have released newer versions of their ROMS so you just need to see which ROM works best for you and of course for your device ;o)
Lee has a mixture of Sense 2.1 and 3.0 and RCMIX Kingdom has Sense 3.0 but after flashing RCMIX's Rom it says Sense 2.1..I THINK it's still a bug BUT his ROM is superb.. The battery life might be a bit annoying but thank GOD for the extra battery ( if your SP provided you with an extra .. of course )..hehhe!
MIUI should not be option on your DHD cos I personally think that the phone was built around Sense and I don't think that MIUI has any Sense version on it..
MIUI might look super cool but try LeeDroid OR RCMIX's first before you move to MIUI..>>> OR VICE VERSA ;o)
Hope my 2 cents comment helps you ;o)

Spent my first week changing and trying different ROMs.
Started worth arhd since it has great doc for newbies.
Then, tried all other sense rom and stayed a while with lee droid.
Switched to cm7 then to mdj cm7.1. Stayed there a long time. Close to a month.
Then back to sense since I want panorama! And tried tb and mdj vivo.
Now on vivo.
Think I'll stick with mdj.s rom.
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t3rm3y said:
i would like to have some sense 3 bits, but every rom seems to be sufferign the same problems and they all look the same except a different kernal is used, how do i choose?
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if you want sense 3 then i recommend you ioos rom.
cause its true sense without any extra's.
so far no issues for me.

Had the same problems. I tried virtually all roms, from sense to no sense. Like IOO sense 3 rom so much. CM 7 & MIUI are just not my thing. The best rom in my opinion right now is VIVO. Its very smooth, the battery life is amazing, minimal bugs report. But at the end its a matter of personal choice.
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I have been using Honeysense HD since i rooted 2 weeks ago and found it to be very pretty without many problems the only thing i cant seem to sort out is my battery life 100% at 10.20pm put phone on standby and at 5am i'm at 75%. Thinking i'll try another ROM.

I've tried ARHD, MIUI, LeeDroid and CM7. After all this I choose to switch between ARHD and MIUI freshly squeezed edition, but I still prefer ARHD for its stability and good battery life.

[Q] Which is the best Andriod 2.3 rom for HTC desire?

Guys,
Which is the best Andriod 2.3 rom for HTC desire?

rdineshh said:
Guys,
Which is the best Andriod 2.3 rom for HTC desire?
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Take a look of this section of the forum to find the most suitable rom for you!

I'm very happy with CM7 nightlies. But if you want Sense, you should try the Kingdom port.
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Oxygen 2.1.3!!!!

rdineshh said:
Guys,
Which is the best Andriod 2.3 rom for HTC desire?
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In my opinion the question is not "Witch is the best Android 2.3 rom for HTC Desire ?", it is " Witch of these Android 2.3 roms is more suitable for me ?"
I say that becouse i try all the roms from the launch of HTC Desire until now and i like all of them. I`ve had miui rom for like an haf a year at the start, becouse i didn`t like so much Android 2.2 froyo, then i migrate to the cook of devs around XDA, and CM7, Oxygen also.
I think that, when you have a free day, you should try these roms: MIUI, CM7, the one made by baadnewz, it`s much stable than the others for now, the one made by Alex (i like his roms from when he start doing stuff for HTC Desire).
I think these is the big categories made by me.
Personaly i like and use for now the one made by baadnewz (the stable v1.0.8)
If youd like effects you shoud try MIUI first.
If youd like simplicity and speed you shoud try CM7.
If youd like sense and a little speed you shoud try the one made by baadnewz.
Without anger, i apreciate all the work from all the devs around here. I have a big respect upon them (i`m not able to do anything then flash a rom )
This is just my opinion.

MIUI of course
I think the question is incorrect. Everyone chooses what he likes, what fits his needs more.
Want latest HTC Sense, that was not designed for Desire, but theoretically can run there - go for RCMixS
Want slim and quick but naked ROM - go for Oxigen
What pros of CM I don't know. Basically it's like fat Oxygen, with added features.
Despite they look different, but have very similar concept of UI. MIUI has different approach, which for my taste is much more successful. As it claims on MIUI official website, it takes best of Android and iPhone. Totally agree. Tried latest RCMixS after I tested MIUI and couldn't keep it even couple days, returned back to MIUI.
But it's of course my opinion.

Non-existent!
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Guys,
Which is the best Andriod 2.3 rom for HTC desire?
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Sorry, but there's no such thing as "the best ROM" for any device. There's ROM's you like and ROM's you don't. That's like asking what's the best film, or best music track, or best food. Everyone has their own opinion which is why life is so much fun!
Personally, I've been using Baadnewz InsertCoin Nightly for weeks (now on v43). Superb Gingerbread ROM and lot's of great features from Sense 3 too

I prefer insertcoin. Very fast, no lags, bugs - everything is ok

This is Development forum and I believe this thread needs to be moved.

And I rather prefer Oxygen Everyone basically likes different ROM, but better one is with smaller amount of bugs
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Hi.
I´m addicted to InsertCoin too.
If you want a Great ROM , Insertcoin will be your daily driver ))
I User IC v43, withe Alex Diaz Theme 13 (Found on IC Downloadpage too)
But i suggest, you download 2-3 ROM´s you "like", and install them, and find out which one is Great for you
Greez
Joachim

stop spamming here its a dev section

Since I got the phone with Sense on it I take preference to Sense ROMS, I have also tried MIUI and AOSP ROMS like Cyanogen and GingerVillain all of them offer something that the other would be lacking.
So for me out of the 3 variants these are what I use,
• Sense ROM: Reflex S
• AOSP ROM: GingerVillain
• MIUI ROM: MIUI XJ
I use all of them and I change every few weeks when I feel for a change of scenery, they all for are the best ROM because they are made by the best developers.
As for the BEST ROM for you, thats is your decision!!!

A very generic question in a wrong section.

Hi,
I think this post is usefull so different users can state why they choose this or that ROM.
In my case I currently use MIUI (from XJ) mostly because that ROM is fast, has a very nice interface, the menus are very different from stock android, the phone/dial and messages apps are great. However sometimes I get some FCs in Camera app so sometimes I like to install the Leedroid Sense ROM as I also like he Sense UI. However in the last Leedroid ROMs the notifications area is too transparent so some notifications are hard to see (not sure if you can change that) so I get back to MIUI.
After reading this thread I'm now going to try the insertcoin ROM and maybe the CM7. The only thing with non sense roms is the phone/dial app, even apps like Go Contacts are not as fast and usefull as the one with sense or MIUI.
Of course there's no such thing as the best ROM, but for each person there are some ROMS that are better.
Cheers.

There is no best rom. It depends on personal preferences.
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Ok so change the question a bit. Whats the fastest rom "Benchmark wise" the fastest i have found is oxygen 2.1.3 all others are slightly slower. Also another question i have is can you flash things from one gb rom to another like for example "Volume button music track skip?" from cm7 to gingervillian?

Which Rom?

Which rom would you say is the most stable and fasted for the htc desire?
there seems to be too much of a choice?
any specific ones?

It all comes down to personal preference in the end.
I always preferred the AuraxTSense ROMs from Neophyte but I do not like the newer Aurax ROMs so I have gone to Ginger Villain and find it to be just great.
I've tried every ROM except the MIUI ones and the Oxygen ROM. CM7 is quite good and more than enough people enjoy it's stability, but it is not for me I don't think. I like the way GV is a customised version of it.
I still prefer the old Sense ROMs but maybe it's because I just prefer the look of them. LeeDroid ROMs are incredibly stable and fast, so I suggest to start there. His LeeDroid 2.5.0 is a great build and if you feel like a Gingerbread experience, go for the GB version of LeeDroid instead.
I originally went with LeeDroid, so I feel it is a good start for others.

Hi, to narrow it down.
I would prefer a rom based on the original rom. But with mods so that it stands out, and it runs at the phones full ability?
thnks for your reply. much appreciated.

You mean ROM running on Froyo 2.2?
Then LeeDrOiD defintiely.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768703

H1tmanx said:
Which rom would you say is the most stable and fasted for the htc desire?
there seems to be too much of a choice?
any specific ones?
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So much threads here with senseless question. There isn't any rom at all, it depends on your needs. Just try it out.

Best sense based rom is insert coin a2sd or cm7. both are stable, fast with sense 3.0. Go for it.
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Cyanogenmod 7 (aka cm7) is an aosp rom and so not sense based.
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H1tmanx said:
Hi, to narrow it down.
I would prefer a rom based on the original rom. But with mods so that it stands out, and it runs at the phones full ability?
thnks for your reply. much appreciated.
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CM7 is a very fast and stable ROM.. its not Sense based but I think its very close to it. Use the s2e app to overcome the internal storage issues inevitable with Desires and you'll not only have a fast stable ROM but you'll also have a lot more space for apps
PS. this is the first ROM I flashed, for a newcomer its a very easy starter
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Flashed cm7 yesterday. Much slower as oxygen, imho.
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Using miui for a while now had no problems so far and its faster than the leedroid rom i used before.
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I would highly recommend you trying a couple of the more well-established ROMs before making a final decision..
With things like this, advice and recommendation can only go so far ..
Like some of the replies above, some of the most popular ones are e.g.
CM7
LeeDroid
Oxygen
I run the ladder and am greatly satisfied.
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I can recommend the AcesMod007 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113070
It's quite new, but it's a very stable and good Hybrid ROM of Sense 2.1/3.0 and gets many Updates. Besides it's very fast and saves Battery quite a lot.

Using Leedroid from its begining now on 3.0.8.2 Data++. No problems at all.
BR

MIUI roms have useful feature and very customizable. u should try them.

You will go through several roms until you find one that you like (I have had my desire since launch so i went through loads )
As far as speed goes i would say go for rom without Sense, CM7 for example.
I used Leedroid for a long time and can not fault it.
However in the end I settled for this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988570
It does require a bit more fiddling than most roms, but as long as you read the guide/FAQ you should have no problems.
I have been running this rom for a couple of months and have had no problems at all.

I'm currently using CM7, but I really do miss aspects of Sense which I sacrificed in favour of improved battery life and speed. The browser on CM7 just isn't as pleasant to use, and I really do like and use various Sense widgets. I love the notification screen in CM7 with the wifi/BT/GPS options, but it just doesn't feel quite right to me. MIUI looks a bit much like an iOS for my tastes, though I may give it a shot at some point.
Currently trying to flash AceSRom007 and having my fair share of trials and tribulations with it. The actual look of the ROM is wonderful, but I may have to flash back to stock to try and get it to work.

on my desire I have installed sgbs rom...most reactive and stable

As was stated above, it comes down to personal preference mostly.
In terms of speed, I didn't notice big differences between the commonly used ROMs as a non-expert user.
I tried CM7, Oxygen, Insertcoin, Reflex, and now experimenting with MIUI, which fits me well for now
The best thing you can do, is try out a few of them for a few days, and choose that, which appeals the most to you.

You need to download and experiment. Oxygen is blazing fast AOSP rom, CM7 has more features and is slower than Oxygen, MIUI is the iPhone lookalike if you want anything like that, and there is this gargantuan selection of Sense roms which are slower but give you the Sense experience.
And when you say a "rom based on original rom", you mean with HTC Sense?

As AOSP you can try Oxygen and CM7. On the other hand if you want to stay in sense GUI try LeeDroid, sgbs and AceSmod007. I'm using the last of them and I'm very satisfied.

First ROM ever ... Absolution?

I want to flash my first ROM ever and ive been trying to read a bit and decide on the most appropriate ROM for me. I want something fast and with a good battery life and from what Ive been reading Absolution seems to offer both these things really well. One thing I dont think im willing to give up right now however is the ability to sync facebook images and information onto my contacts. Do Absolution and other Cyanogen based ROMS allow us to do that? Any one with any other suggestions that you think may be easier for me to handle for a first ROM? Also, is there a way for me to backup my current stock rooted ROM so I go back to it in case I dont like CM?

If you want cyanogenmod based ROMs, for me blackICE ROM is the best by far.
If you want to stick to official releases for our DHD, Android Revolution or wait for LeeDroiD to update his ROM
If your want sense 3.5, in my opinion SmartDroiD is my ROM of choice,it really is the best ROM I've ever used, but there is ER3BUS ROM and RcMiX Runny. Currently I'm on ER3BUS as I wanted to test it and I've ended up loosing my USB cable so I'm stuck atm but I will be returning to SmartDroiD soon as I can.
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wilkyyyy said:
If you want cyanogenmod based ROMs, for me blackICE ROM is the best by far.
If you want to stick to official releases for our DHD, Android Revolution or wait for LeeDroiD to update his ROM
If your want sense 3.5, in my opinion SmartDroiD is my ROM of choice,it really is the best ROM I've ever used, but there is ER3BUS ROM and RcMiX Runny. Currently I'm on ER3BUS as I wanted to test it and I've ended up loosing my USB cable so I'm stuck atm but I will be returning to SmartDroiD soon as I can.
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Lol, just thinking out of the box here.why not just download the ROM on your phones browser and then flash it? I've had a desire for 2 years and think out of the 1000 times I've flashed, only 3-5 of those roms was put on there from my computer..

Nagelzz said:
Lol, just thinking out of the box here.why not just download the ROM on your phones browser and then flash it? I've had a desire for 2 years and think out of the 1000 times I've flashed, only 3-5 of those roms was put on there from my computer..
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Yeah as said,flash all of them,runny is the best at current but as you can tell its individual loves
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Yea, when you first install a custom ROM after making your choice, obviously you will have clockwordmod recovery on the phone. From here you can do backups (referred to as nandroid backups) you can also initiate this from ROM manager.
Good luck intrepid Modder.
Also my recommendations are
Sense - Android Revolution HD. It's stock Sense look and feel with good battery life and amazing support, practically 24hour.
AOSP - CM7 - Again amazing support and a great experience. It can link your FB profile pics, but don't expect and decent resolution.
Bleeding Edge - LC ICS Beta 4.5 - Great if you want to try the new flavour of Android but really not for the new modder.

Thanks a lot for the help guys. Knowing that I can back up my stock rom is particularly comforting. Im hoping il have enough time this weekend to get around to doing this. By then Il make sure to look around for some videos of each of those ROMs in order to better choose my first

I feel that Absolution and Blackice are roughly on par with each other, and both are excellent. I'm very curious about Wilkyyy's reasoning...
If your only serious criteria are speed and battery life, the Oxygen 2.3.2 port can't be beaten IMHO. It has far fewer "options" than the former two ROMs though, and there is no CM7-style theming. If you use an alternate launcher like Go, though, then this isn't really an issue or even very relevant.

BenRoark said:
. this isn't really an issue or even very relevant.
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That's possibly one of the funniest things I have read on here for a while

I actually am using golauncher right now and am loving it. In that case you would recomend the oxygen ROM?
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oik01 said:
I actually am using golauncher right now and am loving it. In that case you would recomend the oxygen ROM?
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Everyone will tell you what they think is the best rom out there. It is all a matter of opinion and taste. I would suggest watching the threads and see which ones are up to date with features that are appealing to you and try them each out for a few days/hours/minutes etc until you settle into one that makes you happy. There are tons of quality roms and many that are inactive as far as development too. Just be sure to back up your go to or stock rom before experimenting.

i would say virtuous affinity-v1.48.0 its fast and dont use much battery
i think you can use mybackup pro to backup your stock rom
but i think you need to root it first

Don't think twice, perfect ROM for DHD is Android Revolution HD™ 6.3.1.

wbbigdave said:
That's possibly one of the funniest things I have read on here for a while
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How's that, chief? You can use launcher themes to change the look of your phone interface, if you're really "into" that kind of thing. Yeah, sure, your settings menu won't change, but if you're gonna lose sleep over that, then your problems run much deeper in my opinion.
Another alternative for Oxygen is the kitchen, which has already been done by at least one user.
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oik01 said:
I actually am using golauncher right now and am loving it. In that case you would recomend the oxygen ROM?
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I think you should try a whole bunch of them. Absolution is awesome IMHO.
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Android Revolution and Absolution are my two favorites... Can't go wrong with either and you get a mix of flavors, Sense (ARHD) and CM7 based (Absolution). I randomly switch between these two but Absolution has more development and updates happening than does ARHD.

thanks i tried absolution ... amazing but the one true downfall has been horrible wifi ... will try a new radio and see if that fixes things though
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