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Well, we have a bunch of roms for hour HERO, in one rom the camera works at 5mpx, in another at 3.
We've opengl working and not working.
In another rom we have Sense UI, in another we don't have it...
So, why don't you unify all those efforts and create a unique rom with
camera working
sense/non-sense (2 version of the same rom)
And all other stuff???
Is this idea so bad?
They are all based on different Kernals (the basis of the rom) so therefore they are built up differently leading to different things working and not working.
It may be possible to get everything working but certainly would nto be a quick and easy task.
Best thing to do is think of what you regularly use and pick whatever 2.1 rom suits your needs until we get a fully working 2.1 dump.
I think, at this point, i'll wait for a HTC official update, and i'll keep using Exit93 roms...
I second that.
As a fairly long time xda-user i often find it frustrating to find a good rom for my phone.
Just the other day i got my hero and this time there seems to be slightly fewer roms floating around but it's still pretty hard to find a suitable one.
I think alot of us have a good idea of what exactly we want and alot of roms have a bunch of stuff we really dont care about as much as the chef.
What i would really appreciate is a clean rom with a repository of optional components, i don't mind there being a chinese keyboard, but please make it optional.
If i could i would love to get in to the cooking game, i've thought about it several times over the last few years. Alas, i don't know where to start, at least not with Hero.
If anyone can point me to a good starting place i would love to give it a try and make the rom im talking about.
Cheers
[xstream] said:
I second that.
As a fairly long time xda-user i often find it frustrating to find a good rom for my phone.
Just the other day i got my hero and this time there seems to be slightly fewer roms floating around but it's still pretty hard to find a suitable one.
I think alot of us have a good idea of what exactly we want and alot of roms have a bunch of stuff we really dont care about as much as the chef.
What i would really appreciate is a clean rom with a repository of optional components, i don't mind there being a chinese keyboard, but please make it optional.
If i could i would love to get in to the cooking game, i've thought about it several times over the last few years. Alas, i don't know where to start, at least not with Hero.
If anyone can point me to a good starting place i would love to give it a try and make the rom im talking about.
Cheers
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i believe CKDroid is the one for you. it comes with a small kitchen (windows only) to enable you to customize the rom. it's quite stable too
also ... look here for a start to your cooking career.
Lennyuk said:
They are all based on different Kernals (the basis of the rom) so therefore they are built up differently leading to different things working and not working.
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this is wrong. all the 2.1 roms are based on the exact same kernel from the only leaked 2.1 rom we have. as soon as the sources are out a lot will change, but until then the kernel is one of the biggest limitations.
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this is wrong. all the 2.1 roms are based on the exact same kernel from the only leaked 2.1 rom we have. as soon as the sources are out a lot will change, but until then the kernel is one of the biggest limitations.
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I was sure that the sense based 2.1 roms and the normal android 2.1 roms were based on different sources.
Lennyuk said:
I was sure that the sense based 2.1 roms and the normal android 2.1 roms were based on different sources.
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kernel != rom
there is only one binary 2.6.29 kernel for the 2.1 roms. compare the roms, you will see that the kernel is always:
Code:
2.6.29-8d063048
[email protected]
even if some (one) devs try to make it look like they have a custom kernel...
kendong2 said:
kernel != rom
there is only one binary 2.6.29 kernel for the 2.1 roms. compare the roms, you will see that the kernel is always:
Code:
2.6.29-8d063048
[email protected]
even if some (one) devs try to make it look like they have a custom kernel...
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ok didn't know that. thanks
Lennyuk said:
I was sure that the sense based 2.1 roms and the normal android 2.1 roms were based on different sources.
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There is only one set of freely available source code for Android 2.1 and that is the AOSP version. Note that this is quite distinct from the kernel source code, and is license separately.
For the most part, the Sense-based 2.1 ROMs will be using precompiled elements taken from leaked HTC ROMs, though may have some AOSP elements too.
When HTC do finally release 2.1 for Hero, they must then make the kernel source code as per the terms of the GPL. However, HTC do not ever have to release the source code for their version of Android because the Apache Software Licence (ASL) that Google released Android under is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
There is only one set of freely available source code for Android 2.1 and that is the AOSP version. Note that this is quite distinct from the kernel source code, and is license separately.
For the most part, the Sense-based 2.1 ROMs will be using precompiled elements taken from leaked HTC ROMs, though may have some AOSP elements too.
When HTC do finally release 2.1 for Hero, they must then make the kernel source code as per the terms of the GPL. However, HTC do not ever have to release the source code for their version of Android because the Apache Software Licence (ASL) that Google released Android under is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave
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Always learning...
Thanks
None of the current 2.1 ROMS is worth using, they're all just useful for experiments with Android 2.1 - no more than that.
I'm happy with MCR 3.1 so far, it's fast stable, working and relyable, nothing of that could be said of any 2.1 custom ROM so far. So please wait 2 or 3 more weeks until we finally get a real working 2.1 ROM from HTC.
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None of the current 2.1 ROMS is worth using, they're all just useful for experiments with Android 2.1 - no more than that.
I'm happy with MCR 3.1 so far, it's fast stable, working and relyable, nothing of that could be said of any 2.1 custom ROM so far. So please wait 2 or 3 more weeks until we finally get a real working 2.1 ROM from HTC.
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That's just your opinion
VillianRom is currently offering me everything I need to use in a ROM with no issues at all.
Sure some people have problem with different roms but thats because everyone has different needs and uses with their devices.
Hi,
I'm playing with ROM building recently and I when building 2.1 ROM, everyone say "We can't fix X issue because we don't have kernel sources".
I was shocked seeing all great hardware support is on the Eris leak based ROMs.
Why thoses ROMs have better hardware support ? I thought when we port a ROM, we take a working boot.img (kernel + drivers) and the new system.img together. So if I'm not wrong, what make thoses ROMs better ?
I'm probably missing some key understanding. If you can help me, I'll really appreciate.
Regards,
mik
Eris is basically Verizons Wireless's re-branded version of Hero.
The hardware and everything is same, just the physical appearance.
So our new kernel base is now this one ?
I'm asking because I'm building AOSP (cyanogenmod) ROMs so if this new kernel+drivers is the way to go, I'll start wirking with this as base and not the old HERO2.1 one
mik- said:
So our new kernel base is now this one ?
I'm asking because I'm building AOSP (cyanogenmod) ROMs so if this new kernel+drivers is the way to go, I'll start wirking with this as base and not the old HERO2.1 one
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The kernel of the Eris is different to the Hero, they are still using the old kernel on the Eris port
l0st.prophet said:
The kernel of the Eris is different to the Hero, they are still using the old kernel on the Eris port
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So why the hardware support is so good ?
hardware driver...
Isn't all of this supposed to be open source anyway? Like, if the official kernel has better hardware support, why isn't it in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), if Android is GPL-licensed Free Software? Is there a violation of the GPL going on here?
FunkTrooper said:
Isn't all of this supposed to be open source anyway? Like, if the official kernel has better hardware support, why isn't it in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), if Android is GPL-licensed Free Software? Is there a violation of the GPL going on here?
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Because the official kernel isn't officially available, it's still technically in development. They are under no obligation to release it until they release it to the public, by which point we will have it anyway
FunkTrooper said:
Isn't all of this supposed to be open source anyway? Like, if the official kernel has better hardware support, why isn't it in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), if Android is GPL-licensed Free Software? Is there a violation of the GPL going on here?
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Common misconception number 1 - Android is *not* licensed under the GPL, it is licensed under the Apache Software License (ASL). This license is not a copy left license so OEMs who modify the Android source are under absolutely no obligation to make their modified source code available.
However, the Linux kernel upon which Android runs is licensed under the GPL, so HTC must provide the source for any *shipping* software that uses said kernel. Since HTC have not officially released their version of Android 2.1, again they are under no obligation to supply kernel source. The second that they official ship the update, this changes and they are obliged under the terms of the GPL to make the kernel source available.
Regards,
Dave
And I hate to be a complete noob, but are these drivers that provide the nice hardware support part of the kernel?
If not, what difference would it even make if we didn't have the official kernel sources?
Since the Eris has the exact same hardware as the Hero, why can't we use the same kernel as the Eris rom ?
Latoc said:
Since the Eris has the exact same hardware as the Hero, why can't we use the same kernel as the Eris rom ?
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Because it isn't the same hardware.
The Eris is close, but not identical to the Hero. The major difference is it's CDMA, not GSM. And, it uses touch buttons instead of physical buttons.
Other than those two, I'm not sure if there are any other significant differences. Point being that those differences are enough to warrant a different kernel.
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hardware driver...
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So if I understand correctly, the Eris leak based ROM use the old kernel (2.6.29) but newer hardware drivers so my question is correct ... Should we use any Eris based ROM as base to make new AOSP ROMs ?
This way, we will keep the old kernel but new drivers ...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
mik- said:
So if I understand correctly, the Eris leak based ROM use the old kernel (2.6.29) but newer hardware drivers so my question is correct ... Should we use any Eris based ROM as base to make new AOSP ROMs ?
This way, we will keep the old kernel but new drivers ...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Really, it's all going to change when we get to official Hero 2.1 ROM (and kernel,) because that's what we'll be using very soon (if we're to believe the hype about 2.1 finally coming this month.)
As for right now, it's up to you. If I were to start working on a ROM, I would use the Eris dump, although you'll have to change to the official kernel in a couple weeks anyway.
I'm not really sure what to say about using "the old kernel but new drivers. I'm not into kernel dev myself, but what's "old" and what's "new" is going to change soon anyway, so I don't think it matters too much at this point.
EDIT: Let me correct myself: If you're going to make an AOSP ROM, you won't use the Eris *ROM* as the base, you'd just use the kernel and drivers. The rest of the system would not have any HTC-ness attached to it (no Sense/HTC Mail/etc), so you'd actually use an AOSP image instead of an Eris/Hero image.
craig0r said:
Really, it's all going to change when we get to official Hero 2.1 ROM (and kernel,) because that's what we'll be using very soon (if we're to believe the hype about 2.1 finally coming this month.)
As for right now, it's up to you. If I were to start working on a ROM, I would use the Eris dump, although you'll have to change to the official kernel in a couple weeks anyway.
I'm not really sure what to say about using "the old kernel but new drivers. I'm not into kernel dev myself, but what's "old" and what's "new" is going to change soon anyway, so I don't think it matters too much at this point.
EDIT: Let me correct myself: If you're going to make an AOSP ROM, you won't use the Eris *ROM* as the base, you'd just use the kernel and drivers. The rest of the system would not have any HTC-ness attached to it (no Sense/HTC Mail/etc), so you'd actually use an AOSP image instead of an Eris/Hero image.
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Yeah, I know. Sorry to not being clear enough. When we build AOSP build, we take an existing ROM to extract kernel and drivers to make the AOSP code working. When I say take Eris leak based Roms as base, I mean just the kernel/drivers part. I know the whole system will not be taken into account.
Eris and AOSP 2.1 roms
After looking at the previous 2.1 roms that were being used to cook and the Eris now being used by everyone, although both being 2.1 they do appear to be different versions of the same product
The Eris appears to be a cut down version of the ASOP 2.1 version, the mail app is still based around the 1.5 version HTC mail, rather than the mail app that is on ASOP which gives you global address list search etc on exchange, and new features on incoming mail for normal mail accounts.
Are features like this built into the kernel themselves ? or things like mail, dialers just apk files
A few forums are now reporting that the new official version of 2.1 for the hero will be a basic version compared to the versions running on desire and nexus. Which would be a disappointment
Okay, I know I sound like a petulant child here, but there seem to be many FRF85 Sense roms, and a few FRF91 non-sense roms, but a severe lack of FRF91 Sense roms.
I had a G1 for nearly a year and helped many of my friends with their heros along the way too, and the community kept astounding me by having things like 1.6 and 2.1 before release, shortly followed by full roms that were perfect and based on the releases the same day as the release came out, absolutely caning the vendors' update schedules.
I'm not really gonna ask why there's only the one frf91 sense rom that is via a paysite (yeah I know paul's good, but I'm unemployed atm, so paying is out of the question), but if anyone knows of a baked rom or how to upgrade any of the frf85 sense roms to frf91, I'd love to hear about it.
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Martyn
Merging Froyo with Sense is harder than you think
It is not just a question of copying over Sense, you must change most system files in order to function with it and.. it's difficult.
Have you not seen DJDROID's rom? it is froyo FRF91 + sense, a prelease from HTC
This is what you are looking for is it not?
cgrec92 said:
Have you not seen DJDROID's rom? it is froyo FRF91 + sense, a prelease from HTC
This is what you are looking for is it not?
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Every DJDroid (or DJDroid + this + that etc.) thread either states FRF85 or doesn't state an FRF code at all. Where did your info that it was FRF91 come from?
ranyardm said:
Every DJDroid (or DJDroid + this + that etc.) thread either states FRF85 or doesn't state an FRF code at all. Where did your info that it was FRF91 come from?
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I personally flashed the ROM and in Settings -> About Phone - it states that it is FRF91.
cgrec92 said:
I personally flashed the ROM and in Settings -> About Phone - it states that it is FRF91.
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Fantastic! which particular rom was it you flashed, a udk one? Could I be really awkward and ask for a link to the post?
Hey
I was wondering if there a simple stock Android 2.3 ROM with ONLY HTC Sense?
Thanks
lol .......
riahc3 said:
Hey
I was wondering if there a simple stock Android 2.3 ROM with ONLY HTC Sense?
Thanks
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Wait after HTC ??
riahc3 said:
Hey
I was wondering if there a simple stock Android 2.3 ROM with ONLY HTC Sense?
Thanks
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Dude... Android 2.3 is Google's and Samsung Nexus S .. not HTC. Don't know if HTC will ever produce anything ... Coming next is thunderbolt
http://www.sellmymobile.com/news/new-thunderbolt-leaked-online-2383/
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Dude... Android 2.3 is Google's and Samsung Nexus S .. not HTC. Don't know if HTC will ever produce anything ... Coming next is thunderbolt
http://www.sellmymobile.com/news/new-thunderbolt-leaked-online-2383/
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Noone has the 2.3 source code and ported it to Desire?
riahc3 said:
Noone has the 2.3 source code and ported it to Desire?
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If HTC make a official rom, htc sense will be included, if not, never
Dev make rom with AOSP (Android Open Source Project), not with Sense
Sorry for my poor English, but I hope you understand ...
Edit : there is a lot of ROM in 2.3 just read, only one thing doesn't work ATM, this is the Camera.
Mike_52 said:
If HTC make a official rom, htc sense will be included, if not, never
Dev make rom with AOSP (Android Open Source Project), not with Sense
Sorry for my poor English, but I hope you understand ...
Edit : there is a lot of ROM in 2.3 just read, only one thing doesn't work ATM, this is the Camera.
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I sort of understand.
I understand Sense isnt included and yes, that makes sense (no pun intended) as it is HTC's baby.
Then my question would be better suited as:
Are there stock 2.3 Android ROMs? Most ROMs I see in the developers section have stupid modifications and addons that I can put in myself. I want something stock and then Ill add the neccessary addons/themes if I want.
Look at Oxygen, it's built from source and is pretty much stock 2.3
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Look at Oxygen, it's built from source and is pretty much stock 2.3
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if u want stock don't install oxygen
try this is the closest to stock
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878901&highlight=amethyst
I would wait a while yet I have tried Oxygen and although it works it not yet a viable replacement for a good Froyo ROM. I guess that as the maonth progresses things will change and Gingerbread will be good enough for every day use but it's just my opinion that it still has a way to go.
Thanks for all the replies Its a shame Sense isnt open source but there has to be a sales pitch somewhere.
July is being said for a update to 2.3 so...
So there are 2 roms in the android dev section which are based on miui.
1. Galnet
2. DSJ
What are the differences between the two?
Also is anyone who's used this, blown their menu led? is there any way to get all four led's working?
pragund said:
So there are 2 roms in the android dev section which are based on miui.
1. Galnet
2. DSJ
What are the differences between the two?
Also is anyone who's used this, blown their menu led? is there any way to get all four led's working?
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At first both roms are only ICS SDK ports and not complete ics roms and I think if you want to see the differences between both you will have to install them yourself.
Galnet is developed by a team of developers and DSJ I guess is developed by the user "davidsonsjesus". Correct me if I'm wrong.
would you have any idea about the led? I would not like to blow off my menu LED just to test the rom.
Thanks
No, sorry, i dont use MIUI. I only use Cyanogenmod... So if you want to try a ICS you could try the AOSP/CM9 rom. But please dont try it if you dont know what to do! Its not stable and there are a lot of things that dont work yet.
iRegistry said:
At first both roms are only ICS SDK ports and not complete ics roms and I think if you want to see the differences between both you will have to install them yourself.
Galnet is developed by a team of developers and DSJ I guess is developed by the user "davidsonsjesus". Correct me if I'm wrong.
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they only have framework integratesd and the build.prop that says is 4.0.1 but are gingerbread! and are not compatible with any ICS app
ICS uses sdk 14 apps and ginger bread uses 10 so in the galnet miui or DSJ build uses sdk 10 that are based on gingerbread!
blackwing182 said:
they only have framework integratesd and the build.prop that says is 4.0.1 but are gingerbread! and are not compatible with any ICS app
ICS uses sdk 14 apps and ginger bread uses 10 so in the galnet miui or DSJ build uses sdk 10 that are based on gingerbread!
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so do we really get anything significant out of the added ics framework, or just for the name sake???
is it worth having it and risk getting more bugs from it?
where can I get MIUI stable ROM for Defy?
The official miuiandroid.com says that Stable 2.3.7a version is available . But when I try to download it using download page, it has 2.3.5a version.
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where can I get MIUI stable ROM for Defy?
The official miuiandroid.com says that Stable 2.3.7a version is available . But when I try to download it using download page, it has 2.3.5a version.
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You can download stable ROM in miui.com, but it's chinese forum , the latest stable download link: bigota.d.miui.com/2.3.7a/miui_Defy_2.3.7a_12640nfd59_2.3.zip
is that link for english stable miui 2.3.7a ?
popcorn1122 said:
is that link for english stable miui 2.3.7a ?
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you can changed into english in system config of the rom
pragund said:
So there are 2 roms in the android dev section which are based on miui.
1. Galnet
2. DSJ
What are the differences between the two?
Also is anyone who's used this, blown their menu led? is there any way to get all four led's working?
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haha.i complete my register,so that i can replay .in my opinion,miui is quite stable include 2.3.7a.wifi is also nice without any reason...
at last,i come from china,miui has chinese cod english you can set language in the system.enjoy 2.3.7a!
iRegistry said:
At first both roms are only ICS SDK ports and not complete ics roms and I think if you want to see the differences between both you will have to install them yourself.
Galnet is developed by a team of developers and DSJ I guess is developed by the user "davidsonsjesus". Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Those are SDK ports, wouldn't be much different from stock MIUI. btw CM9 AOSP ROM is already out (thanks to epsylon3) and works well in my defy. You can check it out here
is awesome!
DSJ MIUI
Galnet MIUI
Wajk MIUI
lot of 2.3.7
Pikachu MIUI
DOMIUI (in hungarian)
MoZZ MIUI (in hungarian)
i'm waiting MIUI V4...
Wajk porting for Defy...the rom is coming soon