to start yes i used the search bar, for a while. and quite frankly it didn't help one bit
im just curious as to how it works so i could try to figure it out on my own evo as im very impatient to find a way to root my 2.2 phone.
I don't know what makes you think you'll find one before the experts but a root is an exploit in the software that allows flashing custom recovery, SU and the engineering HBOOT
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I don't know what makes you think you'll find one before the experts but a root is an exploit in the software that allows flashing custom recovery, SU and the engineering HBOOT
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just because someones an expert doesnt make them perfect...
but i work in the satellite industry and commonly do things similar to rooting a phone and am willing to try my hand at doing it on my phone
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I don't know what makes you think you'll find one before the experts but a root is an exploit in the software that allows flashing custom recovery, SU and the engineering HBOOT
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Actually your wrong. We use magical beans to empower the very essence of one self, thus making root possible. Ok back to reality its not something you can learn over night trust me. I have been working on some solutions got real close just to get thrown further back. Patience is key to anything in life.
Basically, root is like being the "master administrator" of the file system on your phone. Without root, the phone just recognizes you as an ordinary user and will only give you the ability to read and write to certain parts of the system. Once you find a way for the system to recognize you as "root", you then have access to everything. You can read and write and do almost whatever you want. This could be pretty dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, but that's why we have the SU app to control what is getting full access and what isn't. If you haven't already had experience with a Linux OS to know this, your chances of finding an exploit to root 2.2 are pretty much .00485% .
Root is akin to the networking term "full administrator access". The Android filing system is setup with permission requirements for accessing certain areas. Root means you have been granted read/write access instead of just read-only.
I believe root is also a Linux term denoting the lowest directory on any particular storage device. By rooting, you gain read/write access to this area of your phone's sdcard and the internal storage.
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Roots are constantly growing and digging into the soil for more nutrients and water to feed on. Roots use time and pressure to find water. The penetration may start as an almost microscopic root end, but over time the root grows thicker and pushes its way in deeper, growing more tendrils along the way.
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Roots are constantly growing and digging into the soil for more nutrients and water to feed on. Roots use time and pressure to find water. The penetration may start as an almost microscopic root end, but over time the root grows thicker and pushes its way in deeper, growing more tendrils along the way.
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I've seen some replies as to what what is, but not how you get there. To answer the OP, to get to root, you have to be able to find an exploit in the software that allows you to flash recovery. Once you're able to flash recovery, that can be used to flash su permissions bootloaders, roms, etc. The last exploit was found in how the phone uses flash, and some root methods had you actually opening the browser and going to any site that was running something in flash - this would open the loophole and allow access to things that are normally blocked.
This loophole/exploit has been plugged with 2.2, so now a whole new rood method has to be discovered.
thank you pikkon and fachadick you two have been the most helpful in this.
but also so what your saying is theres no ##xxxxxx# code i could put in to find the administration change menu or anything like that?
If you really want to learn, get some books on Linux and read everything about root access and how to hack the root user.
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thank you pikkon and fachadick you two have been the most helpful in this.
but also so what your saying is theres no ##xxxxxx# code i could put in to find the administration change menu or anything like that?
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Supposedly there is some sort of code to get access, but its supposed to be impossible to crack. Wiser men than I have discussed the possibility of using brute force attacks to crack the code, but those ideas were discounted when the numbers were crunched and it was determined that it would take a ridiculously long time, using state of the art equipment. As I understand it, the only way to get a crack at the code is if the key is leaked, and it was agreed that the odds of that happening are pretty much nil.
Your best bet if you're serious, is probably to pick up some books on the subject, like the other post mentioned. Try and see if anything in your day-to-day can be transferred over to solving the problem. The way I see it, the more people working on it, the better.
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I can see 100,000 Iphones Evos working together to crack the SU password. SETI @ Evo team maybe?
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Supposedly there is some sort of code to get access, but its supposed to be impossible to crack.
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It is the root password. Find out the password and you are in.
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I can see 100,000 Iphones Evos working together to crack the SU password. SETI @ Evo team maybe?
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No offense... but if you don't even know what "root" is, and aren't familiar with the Unix-based software platform, and think you can just fiddle with something in a hidden menu on your phone, you have absolutely no chance at discovering a root method. Zero. It'd be nice if it could work that way though...
Obtaining root is essentially hacking into your own phone. In order to do that, you have to know what potential vulnerabilities there are in the software running on the phone, and how to exploit them to give you precisely what you want. It's a lot of trial and error, reverse engineering, and sometimes, just plain educated guessing backed by experience.
Also, this comment baffles me:
but i work in the satellite industry and commonly do things similar to rooting a phone and am willing to try my hand at doing it on my phone
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You claim you do things similiar to rooting a phone because you work in the satellite industry, but you don't even know what rooting involoves?? I admire your confidence, but I wish it was more well-placed...
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You claim you do things similiar to rooting a phone because you work in the satellite industry, but you don't even know what rooting involoves?? I admire your confidence, but I wish it was more well-placed...
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well the difference im working on already administrator devices running through a root menu commonly, and to me, technology is technology, no matter how different the usage or device its still just a chip computing algorithms the way it was set up by someone else, which means that anyone else can change what someone else did.
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So yes basically I know things on xda are supposedly safe in terms of security and roms. But have there ever been a case of a Rom having something like a keystroke logger or any type of hack to gather information or gain access to your personal stuff? And if it had never happened on xda maybe from one of the other sites?
I suppose I'm just trying to address how safe custom roms are I have been using various ones recently so I do trust them some what of course and I assume if a roms been on xda for months and has many posts it's been checked but I still wonder if someone was clever they could wait for the right moment to strike if you know what I mean. Thanks.
Yea, in a way, you are trusting that the devs have no added anything sinister to their custom ROMs. But in the time I've been here (a long time!) I haven't seen anything like this added to any ROMs. You could always do a full scan of the ROM before flashing it to be sure.
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Yea, in a way, you are trusting that the devs have no added anything sinister to their custom ROMs. But in the time I've been here (a long time!) I haven't seen anything like this added to any ROMs. You could always do a full scan of the ROM before flashing it to be sure.
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What would you scan it with though? Pc viruses and malware different to mobile no? And anyway surely a clever hacker would make there own hack etc. And maybe they just add it to the update add well . Anyway good to hear no ones reported one yet!
Well I will try a pc scanner...phone scanners seem to just check.apk's so that's useless...done some full scans all the same just for the hell off it. Guess I don't have any money anyway so I'm safe . But like I say if they are clever they will write their own code so the scanners won't find it .
Still no one reported ok that's given me more confidence...a bit :s ...
Only thing I new of was start of the year I had a xperia z ultra and the mostly only way to gain root at the time was to use kingo root. It wasn't a XDA developed root tool is was from a Chinese website and it was suspect as it took your phone details like imei number. Not sure what happened in the end. But if you get a phone and you trust the recognised devs you should be OK.
Golly, I sho hope not!
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How about as of late and the security involved when you have a rooted phone? I have not been able to locate any substantial info concerning the legitimacy of or about the claim. Do I need to UN root my phone after the new flash or no? Or, am I way of base here and obviously don't fully understand the weekness of having a rooted phone? In other words, a rooted phone is just as safe as a non rooted phone?
Thanks in advance
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How about as of late and the security involved when you have a rooted phone? I have not been able to locate any substantial info concerning the legitimacy of or about the claim. Do I need to UN root my phone after the new flash or no? Or, am I way of base here and obviously don't fully understand the weekness of having a rooted phone? In other words, a rooted phone is just as safe as a non rooted phone?
Thanks in advance
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No, a rooted phone is not as secure as an unrooted phone. You've opened up access to the system when you rooted, and therefore made it vulnerable.
Not that an unrooted phone is completely secure either, but with root access, a malicious app could do much damage.
What would you suggest since I plan to flash a newer, stable ROM with a newer radio binary? I need to ensure my phone is locked up right as possibly allowable without over taxing the system.
Thanks again
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What would you suggest since I plan to flash a newer, stable ROM with a newer radio binary? I need to ensure my phone is locked up right as possibly allowable without over taxing the system.
Thanks again
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It's all a trust and common sense game. If you flash a rom you are putting the trust in others hands. No way around that. As for keeping it locked down. Your best bet would be to stay on stock. Root is a security hole and that's why Google is starting to allow apps to check for root and if found disable the app or features of the app.
Luckily most of our ROMS don't come from people stand to gain anything from that info and are probably like-minded when it comes to how we want our phones to work.
To answer some of these questions, it might help to fully understand what we're talking about.
What kind of security issues face an Android phone?
Well, for one, there are network-level attacks. This are fake cell towers (sometimes called Stingrays) that can collect the sort of data a cell tower might be able to collect, your location, your messages, and your data.
A third-party ROM or a rooted phone is not intrinsically more vulnerable to this. In fact, there are some apps that help detect this kind of attack, and those apps will generally require root access. This kind of attack is less likely to be a random skiddie, and more likely to be the police or a government.
Another kind of attack is a malicious app. Think of it like a trojan horse, something you willingly let into your phone, and it has a secret malicious payload. Maybe it's a browser that actually skims all your activity to sell to marketers. Maybe it's a widget that shows a neat clock on your lock screen, but it actually collects all of your contacts so they can be spammed later.
Since this would be an app that you've willingly downloaded, a third-party ROM doesn't make you much more susceptible, but granting this app Root could make it much more damaging, since it could hide itself from uninstallation or even modify other apps to do bad things.
Note, though, that certain third-party ROMs and apps that require root can help protect against this. If you download an app, and it says it needs permissions that don't make sense (why does a clock app need access to my camera, or my contact list?), that should be a red flag to not install it. But some ROMs actually let you revoke/block individual permissions., so if a baddie app was trying to access stuff it shouldn't, you can stop that from happening.
But there's a slightly more insidious kind of malicious app. Imagine third-party app that accesses Twitter, or Snapchat, or Instagram. Now this app actually saves all of the things you're doing elsewhere before it punts them off to the service you're trying to access. This app could be appearing to function completely honestly, hoarding your Snaps and your snapchat password, until one day they decide to leak all your snaps, or upload all the images you sent to your private Instagram to a public site.
You're not intrinsically more vulnerable to this kind of attack with a third-party ROM or a rooted phone. These apps will likely be come from a non-Play store source, which can happen even stock/unrooted. An app like this with root access can do more bad stuff, but their wheelhouse is in doing bad things with the data you've already willingly given them, so it's moot.
Then there's the issue you seem to be most worried about, which is malware baked into a ROM. This is by far the biggest danger in terms of risk, because it could be doing all sorts of nasty stuff relatively invisibly. What prevents someone from doing this, though? Well, for one, with an open source project, everyone can see the code. If there is something flagrantly wrong, it could be spotted by other people. It's possible to try to hide it, though, and some smaller ROMs don't attract a ton of eyeballs, so not that many people might be looking.
Then again, plenty of major ROMs could have the same thing going on, just in very clever or subtle ways. Look at how pervasive the Heartbleed issue was, and that was in code that tons of very smart people had the chance to look over.
Third-party ROMs do present more danger in this regard. What do we consider third-party, though? Major carriers lay tons of extra code on top of vanilla Android. And plenty of them may be doing unseemly things with your data, either for marketing reasons or at the behest of someone like the NSA. In that case, you're best but would be to stick strictly to AOSP ROMs, but even then, it's not a sure thing.
Truth be told, the best thing you can do for security is just pay attention to what you're letting onto your phone, and what you're letting those apps do. Your choice of ROM and root status is a part of it, but being generally aware is by far the most important thing.
Okay, this may be a bit of a noobish thread, but rooting is a thing I don't have much experience or knowledge in. I've been using an M8 for a few months and I'm just trying to figure out how to make it a more personal experience. I have downloaded Tasker but I still need to look at guides and FAQ's on it before I start playing with it. Back to the thread title, why should I root? I know I can play with ROM's, kernels, and what not when I root. But I'm still unfamiliar with what I'm actually doing when I do that. I'm not 100% sold on changing the ROM on my M8 because I was watching a video for Cyanogen on an M8 and you lose the double tap to unlock functionality and the video stated that most ROM's will lose that functionality. I happen to use it quite often so I'm a bit leery of letting it go. So more specifically my question is, what can do I with rooting? What do different kernels do? What can I do with rooting if I don't change the ROM or kernel? I'm hoping I can find out if rooting is something I want to do or not with my phone. Any help is greatly appreciated.
If you root, you can use tasker... For starters. ?
No one can answer this. Except you. If there are things you want to do that require root, then root. If not, don't. Not much else to say on it really.
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If you root, you can use tasker... For starters. ?
No one can answer this. Except you. If there are things you want to do that require root, then root. If not, don't. Not much else to say on it really.
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Well that's pretty much exactly why I want to know what all I can do with rooting and what those things actually do. So I can decide if rooting is something I want to do.
adaway is the major reason why i root, and xposed.
Well there is only so much you can do on a device without making changes to its system. Kinda like a computer, Windows & Linux. How many things can you install and/or change without Administrator Privileges / Super User?
Heck these days you need Administrator privileges for updates on some games. Almost anything cool will HAVE to make some changes to the system in order to work properly.
Xposed Framework
Titanium Backup
Root explorer - <Name already says it all.
Six axis controller - You need root in order to connect your PS3 remote to your phone in order to play games with a controller.
Tasker - Like mentioned before.
Ad block Plus - Who really wants to look at ads the whole day?
Greenify - To hibernate all those excessive apps and save up some battery juice.
Better Batter Stats / GSAM with Root Companion - Get some detailed info on your what drains your battery(Wake locks etc)
WiFi Tethering - Pay for it through Carrier or Free with root?
Has the writing to external issue been fixed with latest android phones? If not you'll probably need Root to make changes to the permissions in order to write to external SD card.
The questions really isn't right... It's not "Why should I root? " it's "Why shouldn't I root? " Like I mentioned above you can't really do anything to the device if you don't have the permission/authority to do so and some of the best stuff out there needs to make changes to the system. When last did you install an awesome program on your computer without having to grant it administrative privileges
That list I gave is small one in a huge list of cool things you can install and/or do if you're rooted.
Then of course next it'll be... Why should I go with S-OFF
Completely stock - Human - you only do what they want you to do.
Rooted - Demi-God - you make your own choices on what you want and what you don't.
S-OFF - God Mode. Enough said.
Being able to disable data at the firewall for everything except those apps that actually need Internet access is a godsend if you don't have a large data plan. I use DroidWall, but Android Firewall is coming along as well.
Then, add in Adaway, being able to completely remove CarrierIQ, and disable unnecessary services, it's more a question of why wouldn't you root? However, I'm a bit of a control freak when it comes to my phones.
Thanks for the replies guys, I've got some things to look into now. Is there an easy to understand guide anyone can link to help me better understand what I can do with rooting? Knowing certain apps/tasks and what not is great for looking into, but I would like to gain a better understanding of what all rooting is capable of so I can come up with ideas of my own to try. I still really have no idea what different kernels do, and reading descriptions doesn't help me much right now with my limited understanding. Thanks again guys.
I think most of the benefits of rooting have already been stated, but what about the trade-offs?
Well, there are simply no trade offs unless you use an app that won't work with root, like Barclays Bank UK. Unless you use any app that won't work with root...
About double tap to unlock, you will only lose it if you use any aosp Rom, you will still have it if you use a stock based rom like ARHD or Venom
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Thanks for the replies guys, I've got some things to look into now. Is there an easy to understand guide anyone can link to help me better understand what I can do with rooting? Knowing certain apps/tasks and what not is great for looking into, but I would like to gain a better understanding of what all rooting is capable of so I can come up with ideas of my own to try. I still really have no idea what different kernels do, and reading descriptions doesn't help me much right now with my limited understanding. Thanks again guys.
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A pretty comprehensive guide and explanations of everything for the M8 that you want to know before rooting/modding/flashing/etc. :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52484527
metllicamilitia said:
Thanks for the replies guys, I've got some things to look into now. Is there an easy to understand guide anyone can link to help me better understand what I can do with rooting? Knowing certain apps/tasks and what not is great for looking into, but I would like to gain a better understanding of what all rooting is capable of so I can come up with ideas of my own to try. I still really have no idea what different kernels do, and reading descriptions doesn't help me much right now with my limited understanding. Thanks again guys.
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Here are some helpful videos on how to root, unlock bootloader, gain s-off, and receive ota updates while rooted. All these videos helped me and will help you too .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGyPgONJaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N88nHyCktW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPPT5J8xG6w
Personally I wouldn't bother rooting unless you have a specific must have or must not have problem with the M8.
Every phone i've had now i've rooted, unlocked etc, and I always go back to the same thought, why did I bother.
Personally I think it just has you wiping and reinstalling all the time and not getting on with things. Flashaholic I think is the term lol.
I also think my M8 functioned better stock. Smoother and with better battery life.
Personal opinion though. When I get my Z3, i'll be leaving it stock, ready for the M9 lol.
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Personally I wouldn't bother rooting unless you have a specific must have or must not have problem with the M8.
Every phone i've had now i've rooted, unlocked etc, and I always go back to the same thought, why did I bother.
Personally I think it just has you wiping and reinstalling all the time and not getting on with things. Flashaholic I think is the term lol.
I also think my M8 functioned better stock. Smoother and with better battery life.
Personal opinion though. When I get my Z3, i'll be leaving it stock, ready for the M9 lol.
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I'm actually still running stock right now, and taking OTA updates. I just refuse to give up my control of iptables and the HOSTS file. If there was a non-root way to setup these things, I would probably not bother either. On my last phone, a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, I rarely messed with the OS once I get everything setup the way I wanted it. It was running stock firmware the whole time, just with DroidWall and Adaway running on it.
The only thing I did that deviated from that was backing up applications and restoring on new devices. For example, I wanted to preserve my progress in Alchemy, so I backed it up with Titanium Backup, moved the Tibkp file to my new phone, and restored the data. No having to manually redo everything
IOW, root doesn't have to mean "total makeover".
I rooted my M8. I read a news about spying and malware on millions of rooted android devices some months back. I want custom roms so that I can tweak my device. I'm really worried about spying and malware. I don't want someone to spy my device. Give me some suggestions. Thanks
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I rooted my M8. I read a news about spying and malware on millions of rooted android devices some months back. I want custom roms so that I can tweak my device. I'm really worried about spying and malware. I don't want someone to spy my device. Give me some suggestions. Thanks
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How this infection is made, according to this news that you read about? I think that the best protection are the user habits. If you don't enter in malicious sites or install app from any source, you won't have any trouble.
Unless there is a bug in rooted devices, but i guess if this is the case, we would have more news about that.
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I rooted my M8. I read a news about spying and malware on millions of rooted android devices some months back. I want custom roms so that I can tweak my device. I'm really worried about spying and malware. I don't want someone to spy my device. Give me some suggestions. Thanks
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This app can help monitor connections for your device and where your data is going, which companies are accessing it, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.viaforensics.viaprotect.android.agent
Its debatable whether having root exposes any further vulnerability to malware, hackers, etc. Most custom ROMs remove bloat and things like logging apps that would potentially send back details of your activity. They actually allow you to have more options to manage your privacy more closely, as you can use app ops to restrict permissions that particular apps have access to. If you've seen any news in the last couple of years, you'll have seen that agencies like the NSA, GCHQ have back doors to a lot of different things and can access your data in various ways if they so desire. Though they're really not likely to be snooping at such an individual level due to the masses of data that they monitor, chances are everyone's data passes through some sort of system.
The below thread is also a good read as its a current insight into root, security, etc from one of the most highly regarded android developers.
https://plus.google.com/113517319477420052449/posts/VxjfYJnZAXP
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I rooted my M8. I read a news about spying and malware on millions of rooted android devices some months back. I want custom roms so that I can tweak my device. I'm really worried about spying and malware. I don't want someone to spy my device. Give me some suggestions. Thanks
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Rooting, by itself, is simply taking over administrative control of your device from your carrier or phone's manufacturer. That's it. You are now the "system administrator" of a tiny computer. That also means that you are now responsible for it, and have the power to either dramatically improve security and performance, or brick it six ways to Sunday. IOW, gaining root isn't inherently dangerous, nor will it "instantly open you up to malware", anymore than setting up the administrative account on your Windows or Mac computer will, but the amount of responsibility you have just increased dramatically. This is a large reason for why all phones, including Nexus devices, are shipped with secure boot and locked boot loaders. Most people neither want, nor can handle, that kind of responsibility.
In fact, if you do your homework and pay attention, you can make your device far more secure as well. I have iptables set up to default deny, so malware would have to find a way to work around that. I also have adaway, which not only cuts down on the ads, it also cuts down on malware served by hacked ad servers. With some distros, like CyanogenMod, you can also trim unnecessary permissions from apps, like not letting them access the camera, microphone, etc. Stock KitKat still supports AppOps with a separate app, so you can do some of that in stock as well. It goes without saying that I don't have CarrierIQ on any of my devices as well.
As a suggestion, turn off side-loading unless you absolutely need it. If you do side-load, make sure you know exactly where that APK came from, and that it is trustworthy. Avoid "pirate" APK's (unless you happen to personally know the pirate) That, combined with getting your carrier's bloat off, will do wonders in the "not getting malware and viruses" department - and is true whether you rooted or not.
If you're overly concerned.... Don't root. Problem solved.
But I can tell you.... You'd need to be a very powerful and important individual for anyone to ever bother spying on you. ?
Hello i just came from apple and would like to know an easy step by step guide to rooting..
i was a pro at jailbreaking but when it comes to rooting i can tell its a different ball game
would it also be possible to root on an imac ? and my carrier is Verizon in the USA
Vic35 said:
Hello i just came from apple and would like to know an easy step by step guide to rooting..
i was a pro at jailbreaking but when it comes to rooting i can tell its a different ball game
would it also be possible to root on an imac ? and my carrier is Verizon in the USA
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Check out the tutorials for installing custom recoveries (TWRP) and rooting your phone in the other forum category:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/development
As far as I know you'll need Windows to run ODIN and Samsung USB Drivers, I could be wrong though. Just read through the stuff.
Your bootloader is locked. It's impossible to root atm.
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Check out the tutorials for installing custom recoveries (TWRP) and rooting your phone in the other forum category:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/development
As far as I know you'll need Windows to run ODIN and Samsung USB Drivers, I could be wrong though. Just read through the stuff.
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all those look like ALIEN writings to me...
is there a way to root like apple iphones ? where its clear and simple ?
a better explanation maybe would help
if someone can help me root my note 7 i can compensate
Vic35 said:
all those look like ALIEN writings to me...
is there a way to root like apple iphones ? where its clear and simple ?
a better explanation maybe would help
if someone can help me root my note 7 i can compensate
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Again, your bootloader is locked. So the simple answer is no.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 7.
in simple words, the bootloader is like the main gate to the internals of your phone, if locked, as on snpadragon based note 7, it is very, very difficult to root, the exynos note 7 are all open, there is at the moment only one method to root a snapdragon note 7, but I think it works only for AT&T
sucks and my 14 day return period is over ... now what
Now you learn the lesson... Never, ever, under any circumstance, buy a phone until you have verified it can be rooted. There had been an exploit for root with the SDs but Samsung fixed it in the replacement devices. You will hear people telling you root might still be attained and they are right but don't pin any hope on it.
Most people have been where you are and I number among them. The only thing you can do is sell the device, hope for root, learn your lesson. I'm sorry.
One difference is a lot of customizations are available In the basic Android software.... You may not have to root to get the features you want such as Free Hotspot (FoxFi), free music, peer to peer downloads etc...
May I ask what features you want on your phone that are only available if you "root" it??
3 minit battery, Viper4android and titanium backup are what I'm missing. ????
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One difference is a lot of customizations are available In the basic Android software.... You may not have to root to get the features you want such as Free Hotspot (FoxFi), free music, peer to peer downloads etc...
May I ask what features you want on your phone that are only available if you "root" it??
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I agree 1,000% @Braca Ganon. There are more apps available today that allows you to access the same features as root so rooting isn't really a necessity as it once used to be. I've rooted every phone I've owned but I have no need to with this phone. Even on my Note 5 I saw no need to root. I was able to debloat carrier apps( Package Disabler Pro), use hotspot( FoxFi and PdaNet combo), change themes and icons( Samsung Theme Store) and much more, Plus, if you do decide to root, you can kiss Samsung or Android Pay goodbye. I also saw some had issues with the Iris Scanner after rooting as well. I personally love the fact that whatever feature I want to use on my phone I can do so with no FCs or trial and error. Custom Roms are based on the Devs likes and dislikes so what you think is a cool feature or function the Dev of whatever rom you are on may think its not and remove it. Once that happens, its more than just adding an .apk to priv-app or system apps, changing permissions and rebooting. It's more involved. This world is light years ahead of an IPhone jailbreak. No disrespect but a 70 year old woman can jailbreak an IPhone. LoL. Op read up on the benefits of root and what you think you need it for. You may be able to get the best of both worlds and still enjoy all the features and functionality the Note 7 has to offer. Samsung has done an excellent job coming into the times as far as root is concerned. They are making it so we don't have to root and can enjoy the benefits and features of these insanely expensive devices. I suggest you use the phone for a bit to its full potential and if you still think you need root then go for it but I'm almost certain you will realize you won't need it. Ultimately, its up to you.
Anyone know how to hack pokemon without root ? This was my Main reason of rooting
travisw0204 said:
I agree 1,000% @Braca Ganon. There are more apps available today that allows you to access the same features as root so rooting isn't really a necessity as it once used to be. I've rooted every phone I've owned but I have no need to with this phone. .
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There is no app or combination of apps which can globally remove all ads everywhere on your phone without root. For me removing ads by itself is more than enough to make root an absolute necessity. Nor can any non root app allow you to modify your build.prop as you see fit. Nor can any non root app allow the full functionality that Ti performs. I can go on here for quite a long time but where I'm going is that if you had at one time rooted your phones and don't need it now you hadn't been using the power of root. Root access and what you can do with it has not changed. Nor does any app without root access now do anything an app couldn't do 5 years ago because root access is root access and the lack now is no different than the lack then. Manufacturers have done things like added a close all but everything they have added altogether as a group is only a fraction of what you can do with root.
Whether a person needs or wants root depends on the person but there is no substitute for root and there never will be in the current paradigm. I applaud offering up such fixes as are available on the market. It may be for the OP these are enough but they will not be a substitute for root. As he appears to be new to Android I don't want him to walk away from here thinking that root isn't needed. It may be and it may not be but if you want to make android your bich it absolutely must be had.
I want to root it to play pokemon go ....
Is there a non root version of that hack?
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There is no app or combination of apps which can globally remove all ads everywhere on your phone without root. For me removing ads by itself is more than enough to make root an absolute necessity. Nor can any non root app allow you to modify your build.prop as you see fit. Nor can any non root app allow the full functionality that Ti performs. I can go on here for quite a long time but where I'm going is that if you had at one time rooted your phones and don't need it now you hadn't been using the power of root. Root access and what you can do with it has not changed. Nor does any app without root access now do anything an app couldn't do 5 years ago because root access is root access and the lack now is no different than the lack then. Manufacturers have done things like added a close all but everything they have added altogether as a group is only a fraction of what you can do with root.
Whether a person needs or wants root depends on the person but there is no substitute for root and there never will be in the current paradigm. I applaud offering up such fixes as are available on the market. It may be for the OP these are enough but they will not be a substitute for root. As he appears to be new to Android I don't want him to walk away from here thinking that root isn't needed. It may be and it may not be but if you want to make android your bich it absolutely must be had.
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I use Adguard to remove ads globally from my phone and it works better, to me anyways, than Adaway or anything equivalent but this is just my usage. Everyone's MMV. As far as using the power of root, I was one of the biggest believers in root. However, I was tired of the trial and error associated with it while running other Custom Roms( notice I keep saying I as this is just my experience). There is nothing more frustrating than going to use a feature and get a FC because either it was removed or the files associated with it were removed. Then you have to go into the archives of a stock rom and try to restore what was deleted and hope it works. At one point I just ran a fully stock rom with root and that worked for me but we both know how useless that is when you're rooted. At the end of my post I suggested to the Op, since he is new to Android, to use Android without it for a bit and see how he fares. If he still finds root is necessary than go for it. I would never tell anyone what to do with their device but you and I both know that root is becoming more of a hassle these days because of all the added security. As a newbie, this can scare the crap out of someone but ultimately it is the Op's decision.
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Vic35 said:
I want to root it to play pokemon go ....
Is there a non root version of that hack?
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I don't play Pokemon Go. I also didn't know you needed root to play that game. I thought it was merely an app.
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Anyone know how to hack pokemon without root ? This was my Main reason of rooting
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Pokemon go can be played without any root... when the gps hack was available root WAS NOT required... it was a separate app through a different developer... it worked great for about a week, then niantic cut it off..
Once again I'm asking the OP why HE WANTS ROOT... He's coming from iphone...
Im not stupid enough to ask the Android central community as a whole why they want root... Ain't nobody got time for that
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Pokemon go can be played without any root... when the gps hack was available root WAS NOT required... it was a separate app through a different developer... it worked great for about a week, then niantic cut it off..
Once again I'm asking the OP why HE WANTS ROOT... He's coming from iphone...
Im not stupid enough to ask the Android central community as a whole why they want root... Ain't nobody got time for that
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I say half of pokemon go players are on a jailbreak / root playing from a fake location..
If someone can get me a non rooted version hack i can compensate you
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Vic35 said:
I say half of pokemon go players are on a jailbreak / root playing from a fake location..
If someone can get me a non rooted version hack i can compensate you
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Yeah I read up on the newest hacks... it seems there's apps that don't require jailbreak but I don't know of any Android apps.. keep searching google. Someone will come up with an android hack before long... the first big hack was an android app
They will absolutely release a hack app for Android... just keep searching google
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-note-7/how-to/root-complete-stock-ph1-setup-root-t3461232 I have rooted my Verizon Note 7 using this method.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-note-7/how-to/root-complete-stock-ph1-setup-root-t3461232 I have rooted my Verizon Note 7 using this method.
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That only works on pre-recall PH1 Note 7's, you can't root the new Note 7's with PHE.
I have never had so many issues with updating a phone with Magisk before. Today is the 2nd time I lost all my data trying to update. I feel like Magisk isn't worth the hassle anymore. It is frustrating how anti-root google is becoming.
Anyone else share the same opinion?
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I have never had so many issues with updating a phone with Magisk before. Today is the 2nd time I lost all my data trying to update. I feel like Magisk isn't worth the hassle anymore. It is frustrating how anti-root google is becoming.
Anyone else share the same opinion?
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Were you running a custom kernel and you tried to update to March? Did you get the phone is corrupt and it wouldn't boot screen? If that ever happens again, you don't have to wipe, Just go on the Android flashing tool uncheck everything flash and you'll be good to go again. At least it's worked for me every time so far.
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Were you running a custom kernel and you tried to update to March? Did you get the phone is corrupt and it wouldn't boot screen? If that ever happens again, you don't have to wipe, Just go on the Android flashing tool uncheck everything flash and you'll be good to go again. At least it's worked for me every time so far.
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No custom Kernel, it came to a point where the only screen I was given was Android Recovery screen.
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No custom Kernel, it came to a point where the only screen I was given was Android Recovery screen.
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I ended up going to stable magisk
mkhcb said:
I have never had so many issues with updating a phone with Magisk before. Today is the 2nd time I lost all my data trying to update. I feel like Magisk isn't worth the hassle anymore. It is frustrating how anti-root google is becoming.
Anyone else share the same opinion?
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I disagree with you...
Coming from the OnePlus 6T, and previous phones you can't really beat just pulling the boot.img from the factory image, patching it with magisk, then fastboot boot that img then install directly in the magisk app. It's actually that simple. Really is that black and white to be up front about it.
That's how I have been doing it for a while now...and...no problems for me! But this IS JUST ME.
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I have never had so many issues with updating a phone with Magisk before. Today is the 2nd time I lost all my data trying to update. I feel like Magisk isn't worth the hassle anymore. It is frustrating how anti-root google is becoming.
Anyone else share the same opinion?
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No. It really comes down to reading instructions and knowing what you're supposed to do when it comes to rooting. I can't tell you how many times I read folks spewing instructions that are out of date or they're patching the wrong files for their device that inevitably cause a problem.
I have not had any issues with root since the P6 came out. I have followed directions exactly as they've been written and I've been fine.
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I have never had so many issues with updating a phone with Magisk before. Today is the 2nd time I lost all my data trying to update. I feel like Magisk isn't worth the hassle anymore. It is frustrating how anti-root google is becoming.
Anyone else share the same opinion?
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Did you update magisk and then faced a bootloop?
That was a bug/is a bug introduced with the latest magisk update (monday), Magisk kind of "lost" the ability to handle a certain amount of modules/certain modules. We are all waiting for a fix. The temporary solution was/is to press down Lower Volume rocker when the Google logo appeared when booting, that way you activate safe mode and all Magisk modules get deactivated. Discord says 4 modules are max right now, some say it's "just" certain audio modules that are incompatible.
I wouldn't say it's become a pain but you really need to "do your homework" and make sure to read before attempting stuff. Same old, same old I'd say.
If you're unsure, just ask. There's plenty of people here who are willing to help out.
I was on regular A12 and tried to update from the app. The device rebooted and didn't appear to be rooted (I know that ryhmed) tried to direct install but got an error, can not remember the error.
Then I decided to update to the A13 DP2 beta and used canary magisk , updating via flashtool and fastboot flashing the patched image and voila! Couldn't be happier.
Seems like people have had some issues lately
I don't know about harder, but maybe more haphazard. February update I did the uninstall magisk method and it worked as described. Did it again for March and this time it took me three tries to get the phone to boot and at that point I lost root. Had to download the image from Google, extract boot, patch it and flash it. Not the end of the world but still no idea what happened.
There was some glitchyness at the beginning with the vbmeta nonsense, but that's all sorted out now. The tools available are so simple to use now that its hard to imagine that anyone could have any trouble with it.
FWIW: for privacy/security reasons, I run GrapheneOS. It would normally do its own update procedures, but when you need root (I need for conducting proper backups since the built-in misses a lot), it freaks out with the unmatched boot.img. The update solution then is to download the full "factory" update package, extract the boot.img, patch it with magisk, edit the "flash-all.sh" script to remove the "-w", run the flash-all.sh, then finally fastboot flash the magisk-patched boot.img.
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I wouldn't say it's become a pain but you really need to "do your homework" and make sure to read before attempting stuff. Same old, same old I'd say.
If you're unsure, just ask. There's plenty of people here who are willing to help out.
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^^^This 100%
mkhcb said:
I have never had so many issues with updating a phone with Magisk before. Today is the 2nd time I lost all my data trying to update. I feel like Magisk isn't worth the hassle anymore. It is frustrating how anti-root google is becoming.
Anyone else share the same opinion?
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While there are many ways to skin this cat, I follow the step by step instructions in my sig every update, and haven't had an issue yet.
I will admit that rooting is loosing it's allure for me as it seems cust Rom development on the phones I prefer is waning (remember the day when every device had a dozen cust Roms to choose from). That coupled with I'm no longer the guy who tries to squeeze an extra 30 min of battery life, who over/underclocked cpu's and gpu's to get a 100 pt higher benchmark score.
Root is something I still do because I like having the OPTION of customizing beyond a cust kernel and some "root required" apps, and jumping through a few hoops to make magisk work is worth it IMHO.
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Root is something I still do because I like having the OPTION of customizing beyond a cust kernel and some "root required" apps, and jumping through a few hoops to make magisk work is worth it IMHO.
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This 100% as well!!
The stock Google ROM is perfectly fine with some tweaks!
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There was some glitchyness at the beginning with the vbmeta nonsense, but that's all sorted out now. The tools available are so simple to use now that its hard to imagine that anyone could have any trouble with it.
FWIW: for privacy/security reasons, I run GrapheneOS. It would normally do its own update procedures, but when you need root (I need for conducting proper backups since the built-in misses a lot), it freaks out with the unmatched boot.img. The update solution then is to download the full "factory" update package, extract the boot.img, patch it with magisk, edit the "flash-all.sh" script to remove the "-w", run the flash-all.sh, then finally fastboot flash the magisk-patched boot.img.
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Root renders half of the purpose of grapheneos moot though... It's "security hardened". Hand a rooted "security hardened" android phone to anyone who can watch a YouTube video and has a computer that has a USB port or wifi and they could be dumping your system files in in a matter of minutes.
What sort of privacy do you imagine you gain? Are you under the assumption that Googleplayservices is the only method by which your traffic can be singled out of the background internet swarms? Hopefully you're not replying on it to not be physically tracked. Or worse, trust it to go dark and do dirt with.
I'm asking because because I generally don't understand the motivations of users such as yourself. Using a flagship device, attempting to de-google/brand it, and then openly say it's for X privacy or X security usecase. It's simply not true. To me it's like someone buying a Porsche, throwing Ford stickers on it's and saying it's because they get better traction.
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Root renders half of the purpose of grapheneos moot though... It's "security hardened". Hand a rooted "security hardened" android phone to anyone who can watch a YouTube video and has a computer that has a USB port or wifi and they could be dumping your system files in in a matter of minutes.
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Maybe in the hands of an incompetent, but no, you can't just "walk in". Said compromising individual would have to somehow unlock the device in order to authorize the USB debugging session or whatever type of compromise they're attempting.
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What sort of privacy do you imagine you gain? Are you under the assumption that Googleplayservices is the only method by which your traffic can be singled out of the background internet swarms? Hopefully you're not replying on it to not be physically tracked. Or worse, trust it to go dark and do dirt with.
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You are mistaking absolute security for mitigating known and easy to close holes. Bad mistake, which will always make you look like a fool.
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I'm asking because because I generally don't understand the motivations of users such as yourself. Using a flagship device, attempting to de-google/brand it, and then openly say it's for X privacy or X security usecase. It's simply not true. To me it's like someone buying a Porsche, throwing Ford stickers on it's and saying it's because they get better traction.
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While root control of a device can provide a high degree of access to a system, it only does so in the hands of an incompetent. Every single server running connected with the public internet has a root account. If it was so terrifyingly and absolutely dangerous, it would be pretty obvious. But the reality is that those systems are administered, in large part, by competent system administrators, who know how to safely make use of the increased access without guaranteeing that some hostile entity will walk in and take control.
Conversely, consumer electronics are assumed to be placed in the hands of nitwits who will install applications that promise to deliver jiggling lady parts that are published in hostile countries, and even worse, will hit the "ok" button when a root authorization prompt pops up. Yes, consumers, by and large, are a security DISASTER waiting to happen.
So don't you dare make the claim that root access is a violation of sane security measures. There is nothing wrong with root, as long as it is used responsibly by someone competent to make use of it.
No, you misunderstand me. I've been rooting android since day one. Literally. Rooted by Dream/G1 running Cupcake with telnet on release day in 2008. I have 3 Pixel in front of me right now. One with CalyxOS, and one with Graphene. Those are for a paying customer who values their privacy, and not walking around with a crippled 'hardened device". So no root. The other is by test device I really want to Kali running on at some point.
I'll just let the lead dev/owner of GrapheneOS say the rest, I'm not debating what you want/like, I only elaborated on you want it sounds like to others.
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Maybe in the hands of an incompetent, but no, you can't just "walk in". Said compromising individual would have to somehow unlock the device in order to authorize the USB debugging session or whatever type of compromise they're attempting.
You are mistaking absolute security for mitigating known and easy to close holes. Bad mistake, which will always make you look like a fool.
While root control of a device can provide a high degree of access to a system, it only does so in the hands of an incompetent. Every single server running connected with the public internet has a root account. If it was so terrifyingly and absolutely dangerous, it would be pretty obvious. But the reality is that those systems are administered, in large part, by competent system administrators, who know how to safely make use of the increased access without guaranteeing that some hostile entity will walk in and take control.
Conversely, consumer electronics are assumed to be placed in the hands of nitwits who will install applications that promise to deliver jiggling lady parts that are published in hostile countries, and even worse, will hit the "ok" button when a root authorization prompt pops up. Yes, consumers, by and large, are a security DISASTER waiting to happen.
So don't you dare make the claim that root access is a violation of sane security measures. There is nothing wrong with root, as long as it is used responsibly by someone competent to make use of it.
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No, you misunderstand me. I've been rooting android since day one. Literally. Rooted by Dream/G1 running Cupcake with telnet on release day in 2008. I have 3 Pixel in front of me right now. One with CalyxOS, and one with Graphene. Those are for a paying customer who values their privacy, and not walking around with a crippled 'hardened device". So no root. The other is by test device I really want to Kali running on at some point.
I'll just let the lead dev/owner of GrapheneOS say the rest, I'm not debating what you want/like, I only elaborated on you want it sounds like to others.
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No, you misunderstand me. I've been rooting android since day one. Literally. Rooted by Dream/G1 running Cupcake with telnet on release day in 2008. I have 3 Pixel in front of me right now. One with CalyxOS, and one with Graphene. Those are for a paying customer who values their privacy, and not walking around with a crippled 'hardened device". So no root. The other is by test device I really want to Kali running on at some point.
I'll just let the lead dev/owner of GrapheneOS say the rest, I'm not debating what you want/like, I only elaborated on you want it sounds like to others.
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There's nothing "crippled" about it. Its just AOSP with some hardening.
Yeah briefly looking at that link, their explanations are irrelevant. The bottom line is that they don't want morons who don't know what they're doing modifying the crap out of it, and either (a) having to be supported, or failing that (b) making the project look bad.
Nothing about it makes it "less customizable" than any other AOSP. Magisk/root or anything else installs on it and works just like it does on any other AOSP distribution. It just doesn't have all the broken junk thrown in willy nilly without taking a careful look at the implementation first, i.e., is it actually a *useful* feature, and can it be implemented in a secure manner? As a clear example, take a look at the call recording feature request; https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/868 -- clearly a useful feature. The "lineageos" implementation has been brought forward, not as something to pull straight in, but as a point of study and/or somewhere to start building a good implementation -- their implementation is unsatisfactory in terms of security and maintainability.
Rooting this device is so easy compared to attempting to root a z fold 3 or any other recent Samsung flagship