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I like the widgets that come with sense. I know a lot of people don't like it, but I do.
Get a sense rom... CM6 wont get sense....
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I'm running Bakedsnacked 1.1 (no time to upgrade to 1.2 yet) and I like it alot for a sense rom.
CM is built off AOSP. I'm pretty sure the only way would be for Cyanogen to add it himself and that won't ever happen.
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If you're looking for an answer, it is impossible to have Sense on Cyanogen.
A CM6 rom with sense would be pretty cool, especially for those changing carriers, think it's possible with rom kitchen ?
Can I ask, what makes this impossible?
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The only reason I am interested is because I have my Evo on Alltel, sprint's network doesn't cover anywhere we adventure off to all the time, alltel and verizon plaster all the places we go. So, ... for us carrier switchers, we run into "data call failure" error messages because the stock sense rom sometimes calls out to Sprint, I have yet to find out what package in the stock rom is doing that or I'd just remove it and all would be perfectly fine. Running CM6, my evo on alltel switching from 3G to 1X perfectly fine, no issues at all. On the stock sense rom 3G works perfect, when 3G isn't available 1X doesn't connect, gives me sprint PCS failures. Changing the telephony.db allowed me to get MMS working.
CM6 has the terrible android OS camera, and I honestly like HTC's sense UI a whole lot along with their MMS app. MMS does not work in CM6 when editing the telephony.db The browser in the stock sense rom is much better, etc... I already tried transplanting and setting correct permissions to all of the HTC apps that seem to be required for HTC sense to function into the CM6 rom and it's a failure.
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Can I ask, what makes this impossible?
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Short answer: it sounds like you are someone who likes Sense better, I would focus on finding a way to hack a Sense rom into working the way you want it, instead of getting sense to work on CM. It is a matter of hacking one thing instead of a whole system.
Long: CyanogenMod is an open-source, community developed project. It is taking the open source portion of Android (Android Open Source Project - AOSP) and modifying it for several reasons, that appeal more to power users. Other than the speed benefits, most of the reasons to use CM are greater configuration and additional utilities, not ease of use or looks. Then the closed-source (proprietary) Google Apps are added to the open source layer.
Sense is HTC's "special sauce" to get customers to buy their Android and WinMo phones instead of a competitors. I don't know much about how it works on WinMo, but on Android it adds an additional framework layer.
Applications you download from the market use the standard Android framework. That is why some applications only work on 1.6 and up or 2.0 and up, the older Android framework just didn't have the features used in the application. Most of the Sense components, such as the launcher, widgets, dialer, etc. use the Sense framework, which is why you can't just swap them into CyanogenMod.
The reason you won't see CyanogenMod officially support Sense widgets is two-fold. One is that Cyanogen simply doesn't like the look and feel of Sense. People tend to prefer either Sense or the AOSP look and feel. Additionally (perhaps more importantly) Sense is proprietary software with closed source. By using this framework HTC not only can add extra features (for instance, the stock Android framework doesn't support scrollable widgets) but it also lets them lock customers into their products. If Sense was open then Motorola and LG and Samsung would be able to use it on their Android phones, and it wouldn't give HTC a competitive advantage. This is why Motorola now has Blur, Samsung has TouchWiz, etc.
Is it really IMPOSSIBLE? Probably not. Of course if someone stole the code from HTC they could implement it, but with Java it is also possible to do some level of reversing compiled code to get close to the source code. You can find information on Smali/Baksmali here at XDA, which will do some of that. I don't know much about how it works or what all it can do, but when I was messing more with theming/ROM making I did try it out.
However in the end, it comes down to the fact that no one who has the skills to port sense out (which might not be possible, and will probably only work for existing widgets, not newer ones) has the time or desire to do it. If you like Sense, get a phone that supports it and do whatever modifications to Sense you need to. If they like AOSP, then instead of trying to merge AOSP code into Sense keeping 4G and HDMI support, they start with an AOSP rom, and we have slowly added back the functionality that the stock rom has.
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Short answer: it sounds like you are someone who likes Sense better, I would focus on finding a way to hack a Sense rom into working the way you want it, instead of getting sense to work on CM. It is a matter of hacking one thing instead of a whole system.
Long: CyanogenMod is an open-source, community developed project. It is taking the open source portion of Android (Android Open Source Project - AOSP) and modifying it for several reasons, that appeal more to power users. Other than the speed benefits, most of the reasons to use CM are greater configuration and additional utilities, not ease of use or looks. Then the closed-source (proprietary) Google Apps are added to the open source layer.
Sense is HTC's "special sauce" to get customers to buy their Android and WinMo phones instead of a competitors. I don't know much about how it works on WinMo, but on Android it adds an additional framework layer.
Applications you download from the market use the standard Android framework. That is why some applications only work on 1.6 and up or 2.0 and up, the older Android framework just didn't have the features used in the application. Most of the Sense components, such as the launcher, widgets, dialer, etc. use the Sense framework, which is why you can't just swap them into CyanogenMod.
The reason you won't see CyanogenMod officially support Sense widgets is two-fold. One is that Cyanogen simply doesn't like the look and feel of Sense. People tend to prefer either Sense or the AOSP look and feel. Additionally (perhaps more importantly) Sense is proprietary software with closed source. By using this framework HTC not only can add extra features (for instance, the stock Android framework doesn't support scrollable widgets) but it also lets them lock customers into their products. If Sense was open then Motorola and LG and Samsung would be able to use it on their Android phones, and it wouldn't give HTC a competitive advantage. This is why Motorola now has Blur, Samsung has TouchWiz, etc.
Is it really IMPOSSIBLE? Probably not. Of course if someone stole the code from HTC they could implement it, but with Java it is also possible to do some level of reversing compiled code to get close to the source code. You can find information on Smali/Baksmali here at XDA, which will do some of that. I don't know much about how it works or what all it can do, but when I was messing more with theming/ROM making I did try it out.
However in the end, it comes down to the fact that no one who has the skills to port sense out (which might not be possible, and will probably only work for existing widgets, not newer ones) has the time or desire to do it. If you like Sense, get a phone that supports it and do whatever modifications to Sense you need to. If they like AOSP, then instead of trying to merge AOSP code into Sense keeping 4G and HDMI support, they start with an AOSP rom, and we have slowly added back the functionality that the stock rom has.
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i get it now! i never knew why someone didnt just hack it in, but now i know thanks !
laydros said:
Short answer: it sounds like you are someone who likes Sense better, I would focus on finding a way to hack a Sense rom into working the way you want it, instead of getting sense to work on CM. It is a matter of hacking one thing instead of a whole system.
Long: CyanogenMod is an open-source, community developed project. It is taking the open source portion of Android (Android Open Source Project - AOSP) and modifying it for several reasons, that appeal more to power users. Other than the speed benefits, most of the reasons to use CM are greater configuration and additional utilities, not ease of use or looks. Then the closed-source (proprietary) Google Apps are added to the open source layer.
Sense is HTC's "special sauce" to get customers to buy their Android and WinMo phones instead of a competitors. I don't know much about how it works on WinMo, but on Android it adds an additional framework layer.
Applications you download from the market use the standard Android framework. That is why some applications only work on 1.6 and up or 2.0 and up, the older Android framework just didn't have the features used in the application. Most of the Sense components, such as the launcher, widgets, dialer, etc. use the Sense framework, which is why you can't just swap them into CyanogenMod.
The reason you won't see CyanogenMod officially support Sense widgets is two-fold. One is that Cyanogen simply doesn't like the look and feel of Sense. People tend to prefer either Sense or the AOSP look and feel. Additionally (perhaps more importantly) Sense is proprietary software with closed source. By using this framework HTC not only can add extra features (for instance, the stock Android framework doesn't support scrollable widgets) but it also lets them lock customers into their products. If Sense was open then Motorola and LG and Samsung would be able to use it on their Android phones, and it wouldn't give HTC a competitive advantage. This is why Motorola now has Blur, Samsung has TouchWiz, etc.
Is it really IMPOSSIBLE? Probably not. Of course if someone stole the code from HTC they could implement it, but with Java it is also possible to do some level of reversing compiled code to get close to the source code. You can find information on Smali/Baksmali here at XDA, which will do some of that. I don't know much about how it works or what all it can do, but when I was messing more with theming/ROM making I did try it out.
However in the end, it comes down to the fact that no one who has the skills to port sense out (which might not be possible, and will probably only work for existing widgets, not newer ones) has the time or desire to do it. If you like Sense, get a phone that supports it and do whatever modifications to Sense you need to. If they like AOSP, then instead of trying to merge AOSP code into Sense keeping 4G and HDMI support, they start with an AOSP rom, and we have slowly added back the functionality that the stock rom has.
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Much of this is not news to me (now) but kudos for the very helpful and informative response.
Even though I knew most of this, you did a great job of explaining it!
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not sure if its even possible, or maybe not yet. but with 2 galaxy s phones being out i was wondering if its possible to get a touchwiz 3.0 ui instead of sense. I actually really like the layout and design and all the little tweaks it has. Is it possible to get a complete port of the ui to the evo?
It's possible in the context of "anything is possible" but I would bet my money on it never happening.
If TouchWiz is anything like sense, it's integrated into numerous parts of the Android OS all over the place. TouchWiz is also proprietary to Samsung, like Sense is to HTC. In other words, there isn't source code for developers to "port" from. This would be a large task even if source code was available.
IMHO I would rather see someone's time spent either helping others find solutions that meet your needs that are already available or implementing an open source solution that would work on more than just the EVO.
Just my 0.02c feel free to correct me on whatever.
yeah thats what i thought :/ i just love the bottom down, style of icons, and all the menu styles
Interesting. I though most people hated/disliked TouchWiz.
It's definitely not the prettiest interface out there, but it does its job. If you like it build it, but as for me, I'll stick with vanilla Android.
Although a community based UI (above just a new launcher) that incorporated some of the features out there like weather, social networks, etc. would definitely be a welcome change, as it could be streamlined for speed optimizations.
Just my $.02.
~Jasecloud4
If a dev could find a dump and port it over, that's essentially what ava did with his froyo sense rom.
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well i posted a thread here, since realizing a whole rom for that ui might be to much, maybe just asking for the launcher. i know the touchwiz launcher apk works on the evo, but none of the widgets load.
is it possible to replace the launcher on my dc rom with the touchwiz one?
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well i posted a thread here, since realizing a whole rom for that ui might be to much, maybe just asking for the launcher. i know the touchwiz launcher apk works on the evo, but none of the widgets load.
is it possible to replace the launcher on my dc rom with the touchwiz one?
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Maybe this is a great opportunity for you to get involved with the community and start learning about how this stuff works.
Looks like the stock ROM for the Galaxy S can be obtained here (the Vibrant)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728698
You could always start taking it apart and try to isolate the TouchWiz components and "bake" them into your own Android ROM.
Looks like there's a good place to start for cooking your own ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
...and you'll probably want to read up on Android in general so I'd encourage you to Google up the SDK.
thought this would be a good place to post this.
TouchWiz has some nice stuff. I kinda like the launcher, and there are some kinda useful widgets. I hate the icons, and some of the other theme stuff.
I think what you want will kind exist though. Most of the widgets have as good or better equivalents in the market, and ADW launcher offers the sideways sliding app drawer, and as mentioned above we have the launcher available.
I think skinning would be the missing part to really get a nice TouchWiz feel. Someone could make an icon theme, and maybe themed versions of some market sourced widgets that have the TouchWiz look and feel.
I wanted a more AOSP rom and started working on my own and learned a ton, but then tjohnson's ROM really filled the hole better than I could, so I never released anything. If you can get into this an start breaking stuff apart, I think there are enough people out there that would want TouchWiz to make it worth while, but if you aren't up to the effort of porting, skinning would probably achieve most of what you want with a lot less effort.
after installing the apk, make sure you go to menu>settings>applications>HTC Sense and clear defaults then force stop.
Drr, there was a whole other point I forgot.
This is why I am excited about launcher Pro right now. Fede sees that a lot of people like Sense, and realized that he can really implement the great parts of Sense on his own with some effort. This have several benefits. One is giving Sense-like features to those with phones that don't come with it, and allowing people to choose what parts they do or do not want to use. We kinda already do this in custom mods and themeing, but his work will work on non-rooted phones too. Right now his focus is Sense-like widgets, but the same type of effort could be made for TouchWiz or Blur type widgets, and additionally everything could be skinned together, really giving users a great choice without having to give up much at all.
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Drr, there was a whole other point I forgot.
This is why I am excited about launcher Pro right now. Fede sees that a lot of people like Sense, and realized that he can really implement the great parts of Sense on his own with some effort. This have several benefits. One is giving Sense-like features to those with phones that don't come with it, and allowing people to choose what parts they do or do not want to use. We kinda already do this in custom mods and themeing, but his work will work on non-rooted phones too. Right now his focus is Sense-like widgets, but the same type of effort could be made for TouchWiz or Blur type widgets, and additionally everything could be skinned together, really giving users a great choice without having to give up much at all.
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I love LauncherPro. Been using it since version 0.0.2, or whatever. I just hope that now that he is charging for the app, HTC doesn't come down on him with a cease and desist letter. He does seem to be copying the Sense UI, now with the scrollable widgets, and the setup of the widgets.
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I love LauncherPro. Been using it since version 0.0.2, or whatever. I just hope that now that he is charging for the app, HTC doesn't come down on him with a cease and desist letter. He does seem to be copying the Sense UI, now with the scrollable widgets, and the setup of the widgets.
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but the widgets and such have a different look and better functionality/fluidity. It is not truly based off sense UI, Any body can make something that looks similar but works differently. I supported him day one with LP+ for 2.99. Well worth it.
Hello all,
I have my Galaxy for almost 2 weeks and the more I use it the more I realize that the Samsung interface is nothing short of idiotic. Today I compared it with an HTC device some colleagues at work and what I thought were just pure Android OS stupidity it turned out to be Samsung's
Just an example: In the dialer application, if I start typing a contact name, I get a match ONLY if I type the first letters -- I get no match in the middle of a word.
Also, when a match is found, I am not presented with all the phone numbers for that contact, only the first one.
That's _really_ bad -- even my old Omnia running WM6.5 can do better than that.
Needless to say same thing worked as expected on the HTC running Froyo.
So, the question is: Is there any custom ROM (ideally 2.2) that doesn't suffer from this stupidity ? Or -- even better -- is HTC Sense (or a similiar, sane interface) ported to the Galaxy ? Or maybe even a vanilla 2.2 GUI ?
Thanks...
do a market search on 'launcherpro'. it's as good if not better than htc sense (with all the built in widgets), at least until the newer version of htc sense from desire hd comes out.
this is not really android rom dev, is it?
As this seems to be a dialer problem for example, check out the alternative ones from the market, one may cover what you miss...
For example dialer one. It's at least way faster than the stock one...
Oh, and +1 to LauncherPro (Plus), unless you use Touchwiz widgets.
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do a market search on 'launcherpro'. it's as good if not better than htc sense (with all the built in widgets), at least until the newer version of htc sense from desire hd comes out.
this is not really android rom dev, is it?
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Thanks for the tip, will look into it.
Well, I'm not so sure it's not rom dev since I'm not sure how much TouchWiz is embedded with ROM, if there are "vanilla" ROMs without TouchWiz or other cooked ROMs with other (better) interfaces, etc. etc.
So you tell me if it's rom dev or if it's not
P.S. And yes, "HTC Sense" was just an example, maybe not the best. Maybe I should have said "a saner interface than TouchWiz"...
the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
you can run launcherpro over touchwiz although you probably want to remove the touchwiz widgets as they are not accessible outside of touchwiz. (which means you need to have your rom rooted). But you can't remove touchwiz completely (unless things has changed in the last 1 month) as it's integral component to feature/function beyond shell interface (e.g. you need this if you want to use kies to connect to your galaxy)
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the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
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Not sure which Froyo you are talking about, but the test above is on the XXJPH I have installed off this very forum (and seems "ho-hum" in terms of stability on my device).
Anyway, will take a look at LauncherPro -- maybe it will alleviate some of the issues with TouchWiz
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the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
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Unfortunately, it isn't. Is there a way to hack it?
Theres already a Bounty for porting HTC Sense/the full ROM to our phones. Search, got around $1000+ between both threads (one over in the other subforums), but we need someone to port it. There is someone who has semi done it, just need him to release it publicly.
if you really want something similar to htc sense then check out this awsome mod from JAguirre1231 here , its the closest thing to sense (at least for now) with azreils sense theme. Or if you want stock android, you can check this which includes stock everything but only 2.1 (no its not a port, it still has touchwiz framework but everything is stock even the phone app) . Hopefully devs are working on cyanogen and once thats out, you will get what you want. until then you can use these
Hope i helped
HTC Sense is consider warez on XDA if it is not on an HTC device. HTC already threatened to sue acouple of developers on the Motorola Droid for porting it.
When I start typing 626 the equivalent for "mam" I get more suggestions.
first is "mama".
I also get a girl with the name "oana" because 626 numbers also equals "oan".
And I get some random guy that it happens to have a number like 07 626 3xxxx
I have read that sense roms have limitations on them and i was just wondering what are the of mods can you do on an Asop rom vs a Sense rom? T.I.A.
Opinions vary widely here - I'll attempt an objective explanation.
Sense is the layer of goodies HTC puts onto the device - like the neato weather animation, the Rosie (launcher, at the most basic level) at the bottom, etc.
VZW, while not HTC or part of Sense, also puts stuff on the device.
AOSP has (in most cases) none of the 'value added' goodies from HTC Sense or VZW.
The AOSP ROM is built from the source code for the device - hence the acronym - AOSP=Android Open Source Project.
Most widgets from Sense do not work on AOSP - a couple Sense apps do, like the flashlight, FM Radio, a few others. I suppose this could be labeled a limitation, but that's opinion. Conversely, many of the apps or widgets emulating certain Sense functions are available in the market.
All that said, users form their own opinions/experience based on what they utilize from Sense, VZW, and AOSP itself.
Try on an AOSP ROM and see what you think - there's Froyo and Gingerbread flavors available.
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Opinions vary widely here - I'll attempt an objective explanation.
Sense is the layer of goodies HTC puts onto the device - like the neato weather animation, the Rosie (launcher, at the most basic level) at the bottom, etc.
VZW, while not HTC or part of Sense, also puts stuff on the device.
AOSP has (in most cases) none of the 'value added' goodies from HTC Sense or VZW.
The AOSP ROM is built from the source code for the device - hence the acronym - AOSP=Android Open Source Project.
Most widgets from Sense do not work on AOSP - a couple Sense apps do, like the flashlight, FM Radio, a few others. I suppose this could be labeled a limitation, but that's opinion. Conversely, many of the apps or widgets emulating certain Sense functions are available in the market.
All that said, users form their own opinions/experience based on what they utilize from Sense, VZW, and AOSP itself.
Try on an AOSP ROM and see what you think - there's Froyo and Gingerbread flavors available.
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All of this is very true.
From a user-perspective this is what you'll see differently.
1. Camera/Camcorder/Gallery - This is generally better on Sense ROMs for our phone because they were made for our phone. And as for gallery, I prefer the 2d Sense gallery vs the 3d gallery in AOSP ROMs that often are buggy for me.
2. Dialer - I like to be able to use the T9 to type in my contacts names (yes I know there are 3rd party programs that do this, I'm talking strictly AOSP).
3. Rosie Launcher - Like stated before, the launcher is good if you use the widgets and stuff, I personally don't use it though.
4. Smoothness vs Snappiness - In my experience, AOSP ROMs are snappier, which means there is more "raw power" feel to it. Sense is very smooth, some things might take milliseconds longer to load, but it feels very smooth and I think the overall feel is nicer.
Basically, our phone was designed in mind to have HTC Sense on it. With AOSP ROMs, some of the features feel "botched" (in my opinion, the camera/camcorder is botched the most). But there are really no "limitations" to either, they are both android after all.
TheWhiteBandito said it very well.. that was essentially my experience with everything. i stayed away from AOSP for a while because i really liked the sense camera/camcorder, gallery app, dialer, calculator, and a few little things. I think i used launcher pro so rosie didn't matter much for me.
Now i'm on MIUI which is AOSP but it has some SERIOUS customizations. it has its own camera and gallery apps which are similar to the sense apps. the dialer i think is better than AOSP and Sense dialers. it also offers tons of other customizations which are really great. check it out
The only thing I think I would miss from Sense is the fact I miss so many widgets.
You could try widgetsoid from the Market. I really liked the Sense Widgets, but widgetsoid is actually more advanced. You can make all sorts of custom widget bars and even load into the notification pull down. I also run Launcher Pro instead of Sense launcher. It works better and you can do a lot more with it. Rosie was an improvement when all you had was stock Donut, but these days there are better options and HTC has not really kept up.
That being said, I still like a lot about Sense. In particular, the Mail app, Facebook sync and photo posting, Camera, Gallery, and overall aesthetics. It would be hard to give these up.
(Oh, and download the Gingerbread keyboard from the Market.)
As others have said its not necessarily limitations but more the look and feel of the OS. Honestly, while I do love the Sense flip clock, the only two widgets I really missed were the full page calendar and friends. Now that I'm on CM7 I use LauncherPro Plus and the full page widgets are almost exactly the same look and function of the Sense ones. Play around with different combinations of both Sense and AOSP and see what you think.
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thanks everyone, all that was very informative. currently using inc re-engineered z and liking it a lot but i might try MIUI for an ASOP rom since it sounds like it doesn't have problems with the camera/camcorder
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thanks everyone, all that was very informative. currently using inc re-engineered z and liking it a lot but i might try MIUI for an ASOP rom since it sounds like it doesn't have problems with the camera/camcorder
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MIUI is indeed cool, but stay away from the newest (3.18) if you want to use 720p video recording. Until something happens to get us the drivers for our camera on gingerbread, that capability will be unavailable.
I actually have MIUI GB version on my SD card. I was planning to try it out but I'm so amazed how this miui rom is so diiferent from sense. Its like I need to learn how to use my dinc all over again lol. Thanks for the heads up. Ill eventually flash the GB version to try it out but I'm enjoying this one right now
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Thats the best way to go about it is try for yourself. Every dinc is slightly different from other dinc's some are great some are good some are bad. So try try try and you will find the flavor that suits you and your dinc the best.
Alright, I'm new to the whole Android thing.
Am I right in assuming, that without a front end GUI like Sense, Android is just another command line OS? Does it have an interface?
If it has an interface, why doesn't Google just release an end user install-able version of it so the user can do whatever they want with it? didn't the legality of unlocking and hacking your own personal device just get settled in congress? With that being said, I would like to be able to just simply download ICS and install it unmolested on my EVO. Hell, I would have liked to do that with Gingerbread too. I know there are different phones, different hardware platforms, but that's all driver related anyway. I thought it was all Open source?
Just an interesting thought I had, no real issues or nothing going on.
Sense is a skin put on top of standard Android GUI. There are some subtle differences. Just install a non sense Rom like cm 7, it seems to be very popular, I like the sense tweaks, calendar, messaging, contacts.
You should be able to dl ics and install it if u know how to port a Rom.
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Just be sure and make a nandroid backup before you switch in case you want to go back to what you had and store a copy of it on your desktop hard drive or in some location other than your phone.
CM7 is what sparked this question. I installed it, and it broke my WiFi and my GPS. If Gingerbead was an out of the box solution, there would be drivers and portability. I don't understand why there has to be ports of roms and things from other phones to make the OS work. Thats where i think Google is dropping the ball. Why is there not some sort of driver repository where one could get all the hardware drivers for their device and simply load them into the OS and install it? That would make the most sense to me. It puts the ownage of hardware support back o nteh manufacturer to ensure its updated.
I don't know, something to rant about I guess.
I'm running decks rom rite now and never had any issues at all. Try that instead. Its in dev
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There are ROMs out there that are just pure android with no UI overlay or anything, you might just have to look back a bit in the forums and settle for 2.3.3 or earlier. At one point there was a ROM called PureGB or something along those lines that was just as it sounds, pure GB - built right from the SDK. You have to understand that the EVO is manufactured by HTC and Sense is their baby so they are never going to give us a stripped down ROM... Google puts the SDK out there and devs create ROMs for individual devices so it's all about what the devs want to make.
The popularity of Sense 3.0+ and AOSP custom ROMs has steered devs away (for the moment) from creating super basic ROMs but it can be done.
There is a stock android 2.3 launcher, notification bar, messaging app and so on, it's just that the alternatives are entirely to lucrative to pass up for most people.
I hope that at least makes some sense (get it!?! Sense!?!... So lame...) and I'll try to find that Pure GB ROM and link it so you can dig it.
I will like to know as I am looking forward to go CM9 from GB
Sense ROMs have HTC Sense interface, Senseless ROMs don't.
Senseless just doesn't have sense.
No offense Just sayin ok
Sense is good looking, laggy, hangs most the time and so.
Senseless is better, little bad looking may be, but better battery and performance.
In senseless roms U would miss Internet pass-through(connect ur phone to internet via PC) and some widgets
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I will like to know as I am looking forward to go CM9 from GB
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Sense is a commercial GUI offered by HTC.
It's the most visually stunning GUI for our phones, in my humble opinion.
Unfortunately, with all that beauty comes some overhead: lots of widgets and RAM-intensive processes that are always running (although not always used) so, yes, there *sometimes* is some performance degradation (but most folks don't notice/care).
"Sense-less" ROMs is an ambiguous term. It can mean 1 of 2 things:
1) ROMs that once were Sense-based but have since been modified to remove the Sense UI (my WildChild ROM is an example of this, so is jermzii's ROM, and possibly others). The benefit here is the visual glory of *most* Sense UI artefacts is retained, without all the bloat of the Sense launcher (called Rosie) and associated widgets. Also, everything still works under a Sense-less ROM of this nature. That includes the camera, proximity sensors, speedy graphics rendering, WiFi, and all the crap that you'd expect to work under any given ROM.
2) ROMs that were built from the ground-up without Sense. There are tons of ROMs like this, but probably the most famous for our phone is CyanogenMod (and any of its derivatives). Frankly, they all look ugly as sin (to me) and typically you'll find features that don't work as well (or not at all!) as the original Sense ROM. The trade-off here is that you lose beauty and some functionality in favour of being able to "get behind the scenes" and tweak things you couldn't normally tweak on the stock ROM. Although, as any decent dev here will tell you, there's nothing you can do with CM7 that you can't do with a properly modified Sense ROM. (With the possible exception, of course, of running apps that were designed solely for the CM7 framework).
Hope that answer helped you,