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OK, I searched and could find quite what I was looking for.
I have a new, factory fresh TP2 from Sprint. I'd like to create a reinstall disc so if I screw something up, I could reinstall back to factory and start over again.
Is there a program that does this for me or is it something I have to hack alot to do?
I'm new to the TP but I've been using an Axim for years. Now that I have this new Smartphone, I'd like to play around a bit with the cooked ROMs out there for the PDA and maybe eventually do it to the phone too. But, right now I just want to have a backup of my phone and my PDA just in case.
Thanks
JohnMcD348 said:
OK, I searched and could find quite what I was looking for.
I have a new, factory fresh TP2 from Sprint. I'd like to create a reinstall disc so if I screw something up, I could reinstall back to factory and start over again.
Is there a program that does this for me or is it something I have to hack alot to do?
I'm new to the TP but I've been using an Axim for years. Now that I have this new Smartphone, I'd like to play around a bit with the cooked ROMs out there for the PDA and maybe eventually do it to the phone too. But, right now I just want to have a backup of my phone and my PDA just in case.
Thanks
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Well the good news is that just resetting your windows mobile install back to it's complete factory-new condition, all you have to do is what's known as "hard reset" (power+send+end), a simple procedure that's built in to the phone just for this type of scenario. The one drawback is that it takes you ALL the way back, so ANYTHING you've added to the phone since you first took it out of the box won't be retained.
Now, if you want to first install your most important programs, contacts, etc before creating the backup, use a 3rd-party program like SPB Backup to create a restorable backup copy of all that right to your storage card.
No, I just wanted to create a disc that would allow me to reset/reinstall everything back to factory just in case I should ever need it. I figure I'll eventually start playing with installing cooked ROMs and such and just wanted a safety balnket in case I don't like what happens.
Well, either of those methods will achieve the same thing, just depends on whether you want that "security blanket" to include anything other than the aboslute stock setup...
-If you do, the SPB backup works just like a backup disk, includes a self-reinstaller in the backups it makes.
-If you don't, then the hard reset is the same thing as a backup disk, just automated and built into the firmware.
Once you start playing with cooked ROM's, a hard reset will not restore the device to factory defaults; it will restore the device to the state it was in right after flashing the cooked ROM.
There is section specifically about flashing ROM's, and there's information there on how to restore to the original factory defaults. Start with reading these two topics: flahing cooked ROM; undo your cooking.
Oh right, I wasn't thinking about that, but yes, hard reset will only take you back to the stock of whatever ROM you have loaded. You obviously have already figured out how to undo it and get back to the Sprint stock if you want
I don't mean to sound rude, but you sound very "green". I would very strongly urge you to read every wiki and sticky on this forum before you ever consider playing around with your device.
If you play around without first educating yourself completely, your device can become a very pretty, very expensive paperweight...aka...a brick.
I have been with xda for a few years and have had a couple of devices, I recently got the TP2, and have spent the past almost 2 months reading and re-reading various tutorials and stickies and wiki's. My rom is still stock. This is not because I am a noob, it is because I am a noob with this device.
SPB backup or Sprite backup are about as close as you will come to a recovery disc for a ppc. As far as I know, there is no true recovery disc as you would have for a laptop recovery.
Also, before you consider trying out cooked roms, you will need to learn the unlocking process. Also using cooked roms, while 99.9% of the time are far superior to stock roms, may void any warranty you have.
So again, I strongly urge you to read, read, read...read until your eyes bleed, then read some more. Once you understand how the device works, then consider f**king around with it.
It would suck if you ended up bricking your device because you went from point A to point D without first stopping at B and C.
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I don't mean to sound rude, but you sound very "green". I would very strongly urge you to read every wiki and sticky on this forum before you ever consider playing around with your device.
If you play around without first educating yourself completely, your device can become a very pretty, very expensive paperweight...aka...a brick.
I have been with xda for a few years and have had a couple of devices, I recently got the TP2, and have spent the past almost 2 months reading and re-reading various tutorials and stickies and wiki's. My rom is still stock. This is not because I am a noob, it is because I am a noob with this device.
SPB backup or Sprite backup are about as close as you will come to a recovery disc for a ppc. As far as I know, there is no true recovery disc as you would have for a laptop recovery.
Also, before you consider trying out cooked roms, you will need to learn the unlocking process. Also using cooked roms, while 99.9% of the time are far superior to stock roms, may void any warranty you have.
So again, I strongly urge you to read, read, read...read until your eyes bleed, then read some more. Once you understand how the device works, then consider f**king around with it.
It would suck if you ended up bricking your device because you went from point A to point D without first stopping at B and C.
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That I Am! and I make no bones about it. AS far as the idea of modding my PDA's go, I've never done it since I really kinda relied on them for the programs I carried at work(medical), I was afraid of bricking it. I'm new to modding but not to PDAs in general.
Now that I have my TP2 and have finally converged into a phone and PDA in 1, I now find myself with 2 Axims begging to be cooked. BUT! before I do that I want to have a backup.
Any and all advice you have is welcome. Please keep it coming.
I have a Sprint CDMA Hero. It is three months old with 1.50 firmware. The phone works perfectly but I hate all the junk "bloatware" that is installed and I can't get rid of. I have been doing a lot of reading on this subject and I may be getting close to taking the plunge. But I have some questions that in my research I haven't found the answers.
I wanted to state my goal of rooting. This device in its stock form with the 1.5 firmware works perfect for me. I'm not interested in putting new roms on unless its the Sprint upgrade. But I do want control of this computer like I have of my pc at home. So looking at Fresh Kitchen looks like what I want.
So my main question is this....... Can I install Fresh Kitchen and recover out of that my Hero just like it is now? Minus the offending bloatware Sprint was so kind to force on me.
Will all the apps that I don't remove still be there including all the market programs I have d
ownloaded and installed?
Will I still be running my stock firmware with the modifications I want to make?
What are the chances of rendering tis phone useless through this process?
If I didn't like Kitchen could I go back to a locked up bloatware phone?
How important is a running copy of HTCSync on your pc to this process. I use COMPANIONLINK and Pocket Mirror to handle data transfers. When I tried to install the HTCSync I got two Microsoft errors in the process but I seemed to move past them but never finished the install. Will this be an issue?
And finally, as I understand this process you download the necessary files on your pc first. Then you. Do a special backup of the phone. Then you flash Kitchen and then you recover to your backup and go like nothing happened.........
Am I at all close to reality here?
Thanks so much for your help and comments.....
Lisa
Ive used an android device for about 2 years now, and it just recently crapped out on me. I have a unlocked touchpro2/tilt2, and i want to flash a custom rom to it, any suggestions of which rom i should flash, and what is the easiest way to go about doing so? Ive read the flashing for noobs post, and it made no sence to me, it was all sooooo simple with android. So basically i am asking if anyone would be willing to help me with the process?? PLEASE I NEED HELP WITH THIS!!!!
It looks daunting, but it's actually quite easy. Just reread a few times, and after the terror racks you jump in. It's either that, stock ROM, or run XDAndroid, and be patient about the sporadic updates.
Honestly, though, HardSPL is very easy. Just do your research, and welcome to your new Rhodium!
thanks, ive been looking it over for a few days now. Does xdandroid require me to do all that syncing crap too?? Isnt there like a flash recovery tool like for the android devices, where i can just punch in a few commands?? Or at least a tuturial video that i can see it done?? you know how Android has Cyanogen, does WINMO have a compareable dev??
I do want to become more familiar with winmo, what are the best roms avaliable?? Im only using a tilt2/touchpro2, so please take the system specs into consideration. Also i love how easy it is to navigate with android, is there a winmo rom that is as user friendly??
looking over the instructions now about to sync and flash, but when do i flash the radio??? i need help with this!!!
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looking over the instructions now about to sync and flash, but when do i flash the radio??? i need help with this!!!
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I'm sure this pictorial tutorial will help you. Let it open your mind as it opened mine. Then, you shall be awakened into custom ROMs land.
P.S. You don't have to flash a radio -- it's just recommended if you have horrible signal and/or battery life.
P.S.S. Remember to back up everything on your phone before you flash! Use MyPhone or PIM Backup (for e-mails, SMS, phone numbers).
P.S.S.S (How many "s's" can you have?) You need to flash HardSPL before flashing anything else. HardSPL is covered in the pictorial I linked.
This is the best flashing process: Task 29 (basically, it flashes a blank ROM) > [flash radio] > flash ROM > [let the ROM finish loading up -- so you are on the Today Screen] > Hard Reset (Press/hold Power + Talk/Send + End at the same time).
P.S.S.S.S Have fun!
THank you, did my first flashing last nite, and all went well. You guys at this site rock. Keep up all the good work and help!!!
Let me first tell you about myself.
1. I'm a geek.
2. I don't like programming that much, so I avoid it. I learn stuff to get by, but yes I avoid it. I have access to both XP & Linux, running it as a PDC server at home along w/ VPN server (ClearOS w/ modified bridge OpenVPN ).
Some background about myself that may help you answered my question, or pointing in the right correct direction. (no middle finger to the right.) And here is past experience on mobile device.
I have used Nokia 770 and N800, fun to hack back then but it's pretty useless now. I had SERO 500 , which I just recently upgraded to SERO Premium 500. I have been using HTC TP2 w/ Energy ROM. It has been good, granted TP2 is an older phone w/ older Qualcomm CPU. Energy ROM did help a lot, along w/ a few tweak, I manage to keep the battery to last pretty long and upon boot up I got about 70% memory left to use. So, I'm not exactly new to the custom ROM myself. That said, I'm new to the Android phone and custom ROM. I have been reading in the past 2 weeks deciding between Epic 4G and EVO Shift 4G. Well, I end up w/ Epic 4G as a final choice. Already ordered the phone, but still waiting for it. So, I don't have Epic 4G as off right now. But I would like to start playing w/ it once I get a hold of it. That's why I end up here asking for some wisdom in this forum.
After doing some research, I think I think get the basic concept of flashing custom ROM on a new Epic phone. If I got it wrong, let me know.
prep step 0. get USB drivers.
1. root it, 2 steps root?
2. install CWM3 for recovery.
3. flash new ROM, appearance each chef have difference instruction for the install. That's where it start confusing me.
Few things that are unclear to me, should I update PRL prior to rooting it and flash new ROM or after? Or should I even put DK28 on it prior to start rooting it? I'm guessing a no on 2nd one, as it's not necessary.
Now, rough question, what ROM is close in term of the way it package that most closed to the Energy ROM. I'm leaning toward either Nebula or Bonsai. Since Epic is only on Sprint only, I'm sure some of you have use TP2 or might have even used Energy ROM in the past. If you haven't, I'm sure you know where to look for reference. Again, what I very looking for is a Froyo ROM(if not Gingerbread) that's clean, lean, snappy and stable. In fact I don't even care if the Samsung TouchWiz is totally removed. I even think I might like Touch Flo interface better, but I suppose I won't have it. I think I have read enough to know where to find the TouchWiz apk(s) and remove it, so that's not a big problem.
Welcome to android your steps are 1.get drivers 2 dl one click root plus cwm. Once you have it rooted with cwm you can start flashing. If you want to go to the froyo leak then flash the upgrade first then start the root process. If you go with froyo,which I love it and I have bonsai rom and it works perfect, you have some choices when rooting. If you want to stay with the stock Rfs filing system use the one click with cwm v2.5. If you want to run ext4filing system then run the one click root with cwm3. This new clockwork will convert your filing system to ext4 for you. My setup is in my sig and is my favorite. It's up to you to pick the rom you like the best. Make sure before you root turn your USB debugging on. Good luck and welcome to android.
In addition to what was posted, Nrgz is a great chef. I used his stuff for quite some time when I had my TP2.
That being said.. WinMo and Android are 2 different animals.
I think you'll find that you're going to flash each ROM and play with it for a few days to determine which one you prefer.
They are all very nice in their own right. Some of us have favs. The neat thing about android vs WinMo is that after you flash a ROM in Winmo, it's a big pain in the ass to set your device back up (if you weren't using custom scripts).. with android, it's much much easier and can be completed within a couple minutes.
I think you'll enjoy that aspect of it.
Welcome to Android
I'm making the same transition as you, long live the TP2. I followed the how-to recommended by the wiki, but a lot of that is actually a waste of time at this point, except as a learning experience. The steps that actually got me ROMed (I'm assuming you'll pick an Ext4/DK28 ROM:
1. install 32-bit drivers on Windows
2. put phone into debug, connect
3. flash DK28 to phone using ODIN
4. copy zip for ROM of choice to root of sdcard
5. run cwm3 to change file system, root device
6. flash with custom ROM while in recovery
From what I understand, only steps 4 and 6 will have to be repeated when trying other ROMs. Wifi tethering isn't working for me on ViperROM, so I think I'll try something else.
Please be patient with me, I'm new to the entire smartphone era.
I've spent the last week or so scouring these forums deciding what I can and cannot do with my brand new Epic. What I unfortunately was unable to find were directions put into laymans terms as exactly how to properly flash your phone (I am still even unsure as to the correct terminology for many things). When I read the wiki and the forums I'm lost about a paragraph in.
It would be incredibly appreciated if any of you had tips for a new person to these forums and to this lifestyle itself. I'd love to know how to properly modify my phone without breaking it (and not feel like I'm reading a medical dictionary). When/if I do mod my phone, I'd like to know how to go about restoring it should I for whatever reason need to take it in to the extremely... helpful.. Sprint store here in my area. I'm pretty quick to learn and as I said, I'd really love if someone willing to be patient with me would explain to me the ins and outs I would need to know to take advantage of my phones capabilities.
Well most roms now use ext4 filesystem instead of RFS (default) so you have to install Clockwork Mod 3 which will auto convert it
CWM3 directions:
Download Here
On phone go to applications -> development -> usb debugging (turn on)
plug phone into usb port, run the run.bat from the CWM folder (it might say something like restart server and wait for phone to reconnect i generally just close the window and run the run.bat again then it'll mount as r/w and install)
Then after your phone reboots transfer any ec05 ext4 rom to your sdcard, i suggest This one.
After that turn off your phone completely.
Hold volume down, camera button, power. This will boot into clockworkmod.
CWM will backup all data, format, then restore the data... it'll take a few minutes.
Now if you want to start fresh click wipe data / wipe cache and also go to advanced/wipe dalvic cache. If you want to keep all your apps just proceed to the next step
go to Install from sdcard, browse sdcard for the rom.zip, select it, let it do its magic, after its done go back to the main menu, reboot system, and you're done
EDIT: Cwm controls -> volume up/down to naviage, Power = back, Camera = select. I think you can also use the keyboard arrows and stuff but i find it easier using the buttons
I think you should start him with cw2.5 instead of 3.0. 3.0 will brick his phone unless he is ready to flash a rom right alway!!
Those directions are much easier to follow.
What are the negatives to doing this to your phone (besides the ultimate brick)? Would doing this allow me to give my phone the ability to hotspot it?
How would I go about restoring it should I not like Syndicate and wish to return to stock?
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Those directions are much easier to follow.
What are the negatives to doing this to your phone (besides the ultimate brick)? Would doing this allow me to give my phone the ability to hotspot it?
How would I go about restoring it should I not like Syndicate and wish to return to stock?
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If I was you I wouldn't be in such a rush to flash a rom. Root first and take from there. It took me a whole month to flash a rom before I felt comfortable with the terminology. Catch up on some reading first
hi I also am still new to this even though i flashed my phone at least a 100 times and got my buddys epic rooted i followed this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=798067. they did a great job with links to get cwm2.5 and also the adb files. so when you root your phone the computer will find your phone. One thing that did keep me held up for a while was when you have your phone in debug mode. connect the phone to the usb. but do not press connect on your phone. hope this helps some. I spent about 3 long days reading and gathering everything before trying and like a day and a half trying.
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If I was you I wouldn't be in such a rush to flash a rom. Root first and take from there. It took me a whole month to flash a rom before I felt comfortable with the terminology. Catch up on some reading first
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You're probably very right.
What permissions does rooting get me? To root my phone I should use clockwork or something different? If so, you suggested 3.0 and someone else 2.5. Opinions on both for a newbie?
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I think you should start him with cw2.5 instead of 3.0. 3.0 will brick his phone unless he is ready to flash a rom right alway!!
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No such thing will occur. He might get it into a position of where he can only use odin but certainly not a brick. I have heard of only 1 person bricking their phone in 6 mths and that was a dev cuz he was messing with the bootloader. Jump in at your own pace.
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OmegaMateria said:
You're probably very right.
What permissions does rooting get me? To root my phone I should use clockwork or something different? If so, you suggested 3.0 and someone else 2.5. Opinions on both for a newbie?
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I never suggested 3.0, I would do 2.5. 3.0 Requires you to flash a rom cause it won't boot without a rom. If you use 3.0 without flushing a rom, you'll get stuck at the samsung screen.
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I never suggested 3.0, I would do 2.5. 3.0 Requires you to flash a rom cause it won't boot without a rom. If you use 3.0 without flushing a rom, you'll get stuck at the samsung screen.
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Sorry, my mistake!!
I'll check out 2.5. Anything I should know about rooting in general?
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Sorry, my mistake!!
I'll check out 2.5. Anything I should know about rooting in general?
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The main thing which you already mention is the free wireless tether.
CWM 2.5.5 = the RFS root method. You can use it to install EC05 roms that have RFS support
It allows you to run programs with superuser... such as wifi tether, wireless tether, titanium backup, root explorer... thats about it for the basic user
If you want tweaks/fixes what you want is a custom rom... most all will have
Call log fix (remove the sms notifications from in your call log), Kernel fixes/updates/added features, deodexed, zipaligned, custom boot animations, voodoo audio/color, custom touchwiz, etc..
You wont brick your phone regardless, but if you do it exactly as i typed you wont have any problems either . The reason you want to put a rom on your sdcard before you boot into CWM3 is so you can flash a compatible rom that has a ext4 kernel...
EDIT: and regarding the negatives, well you wont brick your phone unless say your battery dies as you flash it... The ext4 non-journaled will actually make your phone last longer over the RFS system. The only thing I can think of is the root method removes the Free HD games and Asphalt 5 Demo which the official OTA updates check for when u get them. Doesn't matter though because you can update your rom through CWM anyways lol.
About positives, atleast for me: Longer battery life, faster phone, less annoying bugs, sexy look, custom boot/shutdown, free wifi tether/wired tether, automatic backups set every night at 5am.
I went straight to cwm 3.0.0.6 as a noob but I must have read 1000 posts in various forums regarding root, the file system(s), custom software/ROMs/kernels. The key is read post after post about where others have had issues until you no longer come accross any new issues. Then you know what you are getting into. Just remeber, glitches can occur and during flashing, there are writes that have no error checking and sometimes require a reflash at best and a system restore at worst. It comes with the territory. It is unlikely you will brick your device as long as you are careful to follow insructions, although the reality is (no matter how many times you hear how safe it is) that there is a very very slight chance that a glitch while using software such as odin could send you back to the Sprint store for a new one. Its exceedingly rare, though.
The small risk was worth getting the phone that I wanted originally - instant responsivness, access to every customization and dev. level control of the hardware (free tethering!) - everything runs better - games,browsers,vids (look better and sound better), music sounds better, etc. Etc. There are some seriously talented devs. here. If you decide to take the plunge, check out k0's ACS Frozen ROM and mysteryEmotionz (sp?) Theme(s). When you go from stock to those, you can't help but wonder WTF sprint and samsung are thinking. Yeah, its that good.
Good luck!
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CWM 2.5.5 = the RFS root method. You can use it to install EC05 roms that have RFS support
It allows you to run programs with superuser... such as wifi tether, wireless tether, titanium backup, root explorer... thats about it for the basic user
If you want tweaks/fixes what you want is a custom rom... most all will have
Call log fix (remove the sms notifications from in your call log), Kernel fixes/updates/added features, deodexed, zipaligned, custom boot animations, voodoo audio/color, custom touchwiz, etc..
You wont brick your phone regardless, but if you do it exactly as i typed you wont have any problems either . The reason you want to put a rom on your sdcard before you boot into CWM3 is so you can flash a compatible rom that has a ext4 kernel...
EDIT: and regarding the negatives, well you wont brick your phone unless say your battery dies as you flash it... The ext4 non-journaled will actually make your phone last longer over the RFS system. The only thing I can think of is the root method removes the Free HD games and Asphalt 5 Demo which the official OTA updates check for when u get them. Doesn't matter though because you can update your rom through CWM anyways lol.
About positives, atleast for me: Longer battery life, faster phone, less annoying bugs, sexy look, custom boot/shutdown, free wifi tether/wired tether, automatic backups set every night at 5am.
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I went into the run.bat file in the one click root and removed the 2 lines that give the command to delete the free hd games demo and asphalt 5 demo. Ran the one click root, and I still have those 2 installed on my phone. Beats having to reinstall them again in the future and preventing an update because of the missing apps.
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I went straight to cwm 3.0.0.6 as a noob but I must have read 1000 posts in various forums regarding root, the file system(s), custom software/ROMs/kernels. The key is read post after post about where others have had issues until you no longer come accross any new issues. Then you know what you are getting into. Just remeber, glitches can occur and during flashing, there are writes that have no error checking and sometimes require a reflash at best and a system restore at worst. It comes with the territory. It is unlikely you will brick your device as long as you are careful to follow insructions, although the reality is (no matter how many times you hear how safe it is) that there is a very very slight chance that a glitch while using software such as odin could send you back to the Sprint store for a new one. Its exceedingly rare, though
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Yeah I've spent the entire week when not at work reading about it to see if it's worth it. I have a hard time following the directions I find though because they're normally written for experienced folks and not beginners.
Apart from Rooting it (as explained very well earlier) I still have no clue about flashing, how it works, or how to do it. Nor do I want to just fiddle around with it and break it. I can't find a good guide on ODIN or backing up that I can understand comfortably enough to risk flashing my phone so I'm kindof at a loss.
Go on YouTube and search "randyshear". He has step by step videos for pretty much everything. Makes it easy
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Yeah I've spent the entire week when not at work reading about it to see if it's worth it. I have a hard time following the directions I find though because they're normally written for experienced folks and not beginners.
Apart from Rooting it (as explained very well earlier) I still have no clue about flashing, how it works, or how to do it. Nor do I want to just fiddle around with it and break it. I can't find a good guide on ODIN or backing up that I can understand comfortably enough to risk flashing my phone so I'm kindof at a loss.
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I was the same way and to some degree still am. What I did was read and read. I read the WIKI several times realizing that a lot of it was written for someone more experienced than I. I also read how to restore a bricked device and return to stock a few times. I installed everything to return to stock on my PC so if I had a failure I already had my path back to working stock. I went to CM 2 just to get some experience. Then I went for it to CM 3 and Syndicate 1.0 and have been incredibly happy that I did.
Also know that terms like brick are used a lot but is then followed up with my phone will do this or that. In the definitions a brick is literally as good as a brick for a phone. The term is used way too much incorrectly so don't let that scare you. You will see when reading that there are only a few things to do if there is a problem. Frequently you will read to re download the files or use a different cable or USB port. If you keep reading you will become more comfortable with your ability to find the answers if there is a problem because there are people on here that seem to take great joy in helping people like you and I out and they have the experience and knowledge to help.
Trust me ... keep reading and searching and you will start to put the pieces together. Don't be discouraged. If you are really interested in this stuff, you WILL get there.
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Definitely agree with JohnCorleone, Randyshear has a ton of very good youtube vids. Helpful with rooting also with picking a ROM. Just to add my two-cents. The "epic cookbook" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967014...Helped me over and over again. alot of info, without alot of scavenging throughout threads. Good luck
There is no need to flash a rom right off the bat. Rooting with one click will give you a good jumping point. I would one click root to cw3 let it convert to ext4 then do a backup. Use titanium backup to remove all the junk bloatware.
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