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[Q] HTC EVO Worth it?

Hey there guys, my contract with sprint is up in month or so. I'm rocking a HTC HERO running, Darch 2.7 kangslayer. Using Launcher pro as my home replacement...over clocked to 710 mhz, and im getting about a day and a half of battery on the thing [now about 10% battery], with moderate to heavy usage. Linpack says a little over 5mflops in under a second too.
I've heard things about the evo that have made me hesitant... How is the battery life.... and how easy is the rooting process...because I dont want to have to purchase multiple batteries and all that. Thanks.

XxsydenxX said:
Hey there guys, my contract with sprint is up in month or so. I'm rocking a HTC HERO running, Darch 2.7 kangslayer. Using Launcher pro as my home replacement...over clocked to 710 mhz, and im getting about a day and a half of battery on the thing [now about 10% battery], with moderate to heavy usage. Linpack says a little over 5mflops in under a second too.
I've heard things about the evo that have made me hesitant... How is the battery life.... and how easy is the rooting process...because I dont want to have to purchase multiple batteries and all that. Thanks.
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Having owned an evo for 2 months now I would buy it again in a heartbeat, battery life can be a problem though, it just depends on the phone I think. I can get 24+ hrs of idle but I don't go somewhere think OH NOEZ MY PHONE MIGHT DIE. I can usually get 8+ hrs of moderate usage, though heavy usage(playing games, having the screen on for awhile) will send my evo to a very early death.
Rooting is really simple, there's multiple guides out there. The fact that you have rooted an HTC/Android phone before will help.

[A] Yes
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Had a stock hero and it was nice...but my EVO is a beast on stock to stock comparison. A tweaked hero may be all u need...unless of course u ditched your laptop like me

I plan to maybe use the evo for SMSing, light internet browsing, and phone calls.... nothing more then that really. would battery life be a problem honestly?

I don't think the battery life would be a problem with a more efficient ROM. I've been using CM6 and I get plenty of battery life...
I say yes. It is worth it.

Cyanogen Mod Is for the EVO as well now @[email protected]?
Where the heck have I been? I would assume having no Sense UI overlay really helps the battery life.

My wife got a Hero when I got my Evo, and looking at her screen just hurts my eyes now. You can't go back when you go with the 4.3" display. Fair warning. I charge my phone every other night with normal usage.

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I plan to maybe use the evo for SMSing, light internet browsing, and phone calls.... nothing more then that really. would battery life be a problem honestly?
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zaner123 said:
I don't think the battery life would be a problem with a more efficient ROM. I've been using CM6 and I get plenty of battery life...
I say yes. It is worth it.
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Would be a double yes.
Am loving this phone, was new to Android and it seemed more daunting than it really is.

I just jumped to two EVOs. I'm really nervous about it, hoping I like it. My wife has never had a smart phone so dropping $200 on a phone for her was a little scary. I'm currently using an HTC Touch Vogue hacked that's running android, so I know a lot of the ropes and what's going on...
I really wanted to wait for the Epic, but I'm tired or waiting, and I don't need a hardware keyboard... but that processor on that phone seems amazing... I'm not even really that hyped on it's screen, because of the poor resolution...
Anyway. Hoping I don't regret my purchase and think, 'Wish I had gotten an Epic', or 'Wish I had just gotten my wife an Intercept'.

You guys will love em!
I know a few people that really max out their phone usage and they love it. I know a few minimal users who dabble in "crazy **** once in a while" as well and they still love it. It's a great phone all around. The battery life is what you make it, and as stated, there are ways you can really get more "appropriate" battery life out of it.
Great device.

My wife got it as sort of a 'child' occupier for when she needs to do things and needs a way to keep our daughter entertained... She wanted an iPhone, but I talked her into a android (and there was no way I was going to AT&T), so if you have any kid education games and other misc recommendations, let me know.

Ahh, foreign territory. I know some folks put shows and what not on their phones, media to entertain and what have you, with the little ones, but I couldn't really help. There has to be plenty of options though.

fldash said:
My wife got it as sort of a 'child' occupier for when she needs to do things and needs a way to keep our daughter entertained... She wanted an iPhone, but I talked her into a android (and there was no way I was going to AT&T), so if you have any kid education games and other misc recommendations, let me know.
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It'll be good practice for your kid

3 Reasons stopping me from buying a Galaxy Nexus Please help me change my mind :D

Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.

most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.

oscillik said:
most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.
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You're right. As stated in the review, they haven't tested the battery extensively, and they said they would update the review with the new battery findings in the future

1) what do you mean could get obsolete?
it is already obsolete except for the 720 HD screen LOL
2) you might be right about that, we'll see how many hour this 1750 mAh battery can pull
3) you also forgot to mention about the lack of space for the ever increasing storage space required to play a game
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Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.
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Every phone will be outdated in a year....If thats a big deciding factor u may never get a phone.
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I have to confirm what they said about the battery life. I charged the phone up fully before even turning it on and with heavy use (you know how it is the first day you get a new phone) I got around 7 hours out of it. With normal usage I can imagine it lasting a full work day but if you are a heavy user you probably want to look into an external or expanded battery.
As for gaming, from my tests some games really don't run very well, although it might be partly due to them not being optimised for the Nexus hardware or ICS.
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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Chrono_Tata said:
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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probably it just need some optimization
but compared to the SGS2 T989 it sure it's lacking a bit there
the T989 on stock can easily pull 14 hr ~ 18 hr with moderate use, and if you are light use, then you can get over a day with that phone
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301609

Issues 1 and 2 apply to pretty much any smartphone you get nowadays. So STi489's statement is quite accurate.
I'll refrain from commenting on #3 because I don't do mobile gaming, so don't really know/care a lot about modern phone GPUs.

1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.

mskip said:
1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.
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Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23

qwer23 said:
Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23
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Point taken I was watching tv at the time while I was typing and wasnt thinking too much lol .
Mark.

the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..

I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.

I'm just concerned about how the GPU will cope in playing games. Otherwise, I can't wait until Sat/Sun for T-Mobile to get this in stock.

soullinker20 said:
the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..
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With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
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I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.
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It would indeed be good but extremely unlikely
Mark.

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With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
Mark.
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thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.

Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.

soullinker20 said:
thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.
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Well at least that will give you time to read reviews from people who are using the phone and see how its performing in the real world before you order it.
Mark.

mohitrocks said:
Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.
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Something like *THIS*. Its basically a huge capacity rechargeable battery that you can plug any usb device into to charge it. In my opinion more practical than buying replacement batterys as you dont have to turn the phone off to keep going. It could even be used as a rechargeable led torch lol..
Im sure you could find one that can be delivered to your location with a google search.
Mark.

1. It only need optimizations. and Ice Cream Sandwich is the start of the long awaited hardware optimization that Android needs.
2. User dependent. and Galaxy Nexus has that feature that any iphone doesn't have. A replaceable battery. So you could bring an extra battery for emergencies. But i really do think that 1750mah can last you a day
3. GPU is still very capable to handle games. Again, just like no.1 all it needs is optimizations. Besides, i don't see game developers focusing on making games that can only run on a very very very powerful GPU.

ThunderBolt--->Galaxy Nexus Multiple Issues

Greetings,
I recently upgraded to the Galaxy Nexus from my modded thundebolt running Cyanogen, both on Verizon.
This phone despite rave reviews has been a huge disappointment to me.
Battery Life This is an issue highlighted on this forum and all over the web. This phone's battery life is significantly worse than the Thunderbolt was out of the box. The latter was solved with a root and cyanogen install. I certainly hope the same can be said of the Nexus. As a medical professional, this device is simply unusable. I am currently getting less than 4 hours. The device is always running hot, as if some program is chewing through the battery, but a fix is elusive at this point. I have tried two nexus phones at this point.
Speed Another big disappointment. I have once again tried two devices, both with the quick OTA update. The device is extremely sluggish in virtually every regard. Opening programs, sliding through menus. I have actually tested my thunderbolt against the nexus on opening and running many different programs, from games, some of which are unplayable on the Nexus (may be an ICS issue) to opening simple email like gmail. The Thunderbolt is significantly faster and smoother. I admit I am a bit mistified by this one, hearing so many with rave reviews of the speed. I am not sure if this is because others are coming from much older devices or if there really is a speed issue. The Thunderbolt was clearly much faster in every regard. Again two separate
Vibrate This is a major issue for me, being in the medical profession. The device doubles as my pager, and missing pages can obviously be dangerous to my patients. I have again tested and confirmed this on two separate Nexus devices.
Voice to Text The google engine that transcribes on the fly only works with the android keyboard. Further, I have found it to be much less accurate than my thunderbolt using flex t9. I even tried the latter on the nexus, reproducing many of these problems. Not sure if this is a microphone issue on the nexus.
Games Some are simply unplayable. This may be a native problem to ICS, but my favorite game, frozen bubble plus is no longer a viable time waster.
Camera The concerns about this are well justified. It does fine in sunlight, but anything with a flash is absolutely horrid and unusable. For those who enjoy sharing a quick photo via facebook, texting, whatsapp, picasa etc, you are seriously going to be disappointed. The focus is inconsistent, and the flash over saturates the pictures. Major step behind the Thunderbolt.
There are other annoyances. Long pressing a text box allows you to change input method.
I haven't figured out if you can assign an on screen "hardware" button to a task by long pressing like you can on the thunderbolt. I have the find key on my thunderbolt assigned to the voice command. So I can long press on it and text, email, search directions etc with one simple long press. I don't see an easy way to do this on the Nexus, another major inconvenience.
In fact the only way I see to use the voice capabilities is to keep the google search bar on the home screen. I don't see the program even listed in the apps.
Perhaps many of these issues can be addressed in an upgrade, but this device's starting point is very disappointing to me, worse than the bolt.

4 hours?
I don't know what to say to any of that.
First, I easily get 18-25 hours DAILY depending on how much I use the phone. And I'd like to point on that I am a HEAVY texter (girlfriend ). Maybe you have the LTE version? I'm sure you would get ****ty battery life on LTE all the time and inside of a hospital with low reception.
Second, this has got to be the the fastest and most "fluid" device I have ever owned. I come from a dualcore Tegra 2 G2x, and the Galaxy Nexus just blows it out of the water. There is no comparison. Needless to say, I've also owned a Nexus One, Samsung Vibrant, and a G2 (The G2 with a processor most closest to your Thunderbolt).
Third, the phone vibrates just fine in my experience. If you're having troubles with it, put your incoming call ringtone on silent and raise your notification ringtone volume. That way you don't have to worry about a random call disturbing the peace.
Fourth, you must remember this is a Google Nexus device. Most games come optimized for Nexus devices. Give it time, your favorite games will be updated. In the mean time, there are plenty of other games you could play (Age of Zombies? )
Fifth, are you really going to complain about the focusing? The Galaxy Nexus has an instant shutter speed. If you want a better focus, how about you hold onto the shutter button before releasing it instantly?
I don't know about changing the input method via long press since the stock keyboard is the best I've ever used on an android device.
If you really do need a "hardware" search button, just apply a mod. If not, then just press home and it's there right at the top. Seems pretty convenient to me
I'd just like to point out to you that most of these "issues" will never be fixed as they are UPGRADES from the previous versions of android. Sorry

I am indeed an LTE user on Verizon. The battery problem seems to be real, as documented on this forum and elsewhere.
Good to hear you are doing so well, implying that there is some kind of drain issue isolated to the verizon LTE launch.
I am coming from a Thunderbolt, and while the device isn't slow, the rooted/modded bolt was significantly faster at launching gmail, yahoo mail, go sms texting, facebook etc... I suspect that this too will be fixed, but its frustrating that a more powerful device on paper is actually performing worse than an almost year old device.
Any other Thunderbolt users notice the lag on the nexus that I am referring to?
The vibrate feature is perhaps a matter of personal preference. What is fine for you, may not be nearly enough for others. I will try your suggestions though and appreciate it. I prefer to have my device in my pocket, and need to feel the vibrations as they are often emergent pages. Again, the vibration issue seems to be a real problem documented hear and elsewhere on the web.
The camera issue isn't about the speed, which is impressive. The problem is too many photos don't focus properly. The bolt took terrific pictures in comparison albeit at a slower pace. Flash photography indoors is not even passable in my opinion. Perhaps this latter problem can be or has been fixed in 3rd party camera applications. I am just not aware of any at the moment.
The gaming issue concerns me the least. I agree that this will likely be fixed with updated games quickly. I only raised it because my number one favorite game was affected!
Assigning voice capabilities to a long press is a real convenience on the bolt. I don't even have to look at the screen to make it text, email, call, find directions, do a google search, or launch an application. While you may find an alternative "easy" isn't he whole point about android the UI and being able to customize it to your hearts content. I am 100% confident that this will be addressed in some modification or add on program, but it is not easily done now.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.

I'm coming from a Thunderbolt and I noticed the slow responsiveness when calling on some apps in the Nexus right away. I guess my expectations were pretty high from the get go. I'll give it some time, The developers put a lot of work into the Tbolt to get it to perform fast, I'm sure the same will happen with the Nexus.
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The problem is you came from a device that had development optimization for almost 10 months to a brand new development phone. If you were running a stock Thunderbolt the whole time, you would more notice the difference between the two phones. I also came from a thunderbolt running MIUI ICS and Eternity ROMS, I can tell that this phone is significantly better in every respect but the camera. But, as a phone, I don't expect the camera to be awesome. The vibrate is more elegant on this phone compared to TBs brutal shock of a vibrate, I still feel it just fine.
Your other annoyances sound more like trivial irritations rather than actual device problems, aside from the battery in which case I would say turn off LTE and it would last longer. Changing the hardware buttons wasnt a stock feature on any android phone, that was part of development. People forget that these devices take a dew days to a week for battery to run properly and once development takes off, this phone will be a monster in a month's time when everything is better optimized and features are added.
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chocoyo00 said:
I'm coming from a Thunderbolt and I noticed the slow responsiveness when calling on some apps in the Nexus right away. I guess my expectations were pretty high from the get go. I'll give it some time, The developers put a lot of work into the Tbolt to get it to perform fast, I'm sure the same will happen with the Nexus.
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I was really surprised because the responsiveness of this device has been one of the big selling features. I agree that this will likely be corrected with OTA updates and modded devices, but out of the box I was expecting it to be faster than my nearly one year old Thunderbolt, and was disappointed it wasn't.

mb02 said:
The problem is you came from a device that had development optimization for almost 10 months to a brand new development phone. If you were running a stock Thunderbolt the whole time, you would more notice the difference between the two phones. I also came from a thunderbolt running MIUI ICS and Eternity ROMS, I can tell that this phone is significantly better in every respect but the camera. But, as a phone, I don't expect the camera to be awesome. The vibrate is more elegant on this phone compared to TBs brutal shock of a vibrate, I still feel it just fine.
Your other annoyances sound more like trivial irritations rather than actual device problems, aside from the battery in which case I would say turn off LTE and it would last longer. Changing the hardware buttons wasnt a stock feature on any android phone, that was part of development. People forget that these devices take a dew days to a week for battery to run properly and once development takes off, this phone will be a monster in a month's time when everything is better optimized and features are added.
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I agree that many of these issues can be corrected. When I bought my bolt, battery life was dreadful. After a quick root and cyanogen install, it was resolved. But out of the box, it still was a more polished experience than this device is.
These may be "trivial irritations" to you, but they are significant to me. I am looking for the most complete and polished smartphone experience. The nexus promised everything, and has not delivered as of yet in my experience. In fact there is really very little it has lived up to judging by the hype.
Clearly there are others with similar problems. I hope and expect many/most to be fixed.
This may be germane to those of us coming from an optimized Bolt, which is still a very worthy piece of hardware. I cant speak for other devices, as the only other android device I have extensive experience is the original droid incredible, which ironically is still fantastic and faster in many ways to the new Nexus in my experience.
At this point, very little of the promised features and experience have lived up to expectations. Perhaps the hype was too great, but I am hopeful this all will be fixed with software updates.
I hope people don't take this as a personal attack on the device, as I know many feel passionate about such things.

well, hardware wise the Nexus is superior to the Thunderbolt and almost as good as the Rezound. I think the main issue right now is ICS. i notice its still very buggy and lots of apps i used to use either dont support ICS or have issues running on ICS. its just a matter of time before everything is running properly.

Brand new Operating System, on a brand new phone. You have had the phone all of 4 days and expect it to be perfect already. I think you need to give it some time. You already said yourseld you modded your TB. Expect the same with this phone. And when and on a new OS you can not expect every app to work immediately. Looks like you should of waited a month to get the phone, or go back to the TB for another month and hold onto the Nexus. I currently have a TB myself.

voxigenboy said:
well, hardware wise the Nexus is superior to the Thunderbolt and almost as good as the Rezound. I think the main issue right now is ICS. i notice its still very buggy and lots of apps i used to use either dont support ICS or have issues running on ICS. its just a matter of time before everything is running properly.
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I suspect you are correct. I was just surprised that virtually nothing that was promised on this device has been realized at launch. I am used to new phones being buggy, but virtually every aspect of this device has fallen short at launch and not consistent with the reviews.

worm- said:
Brand new Operating System, on a brand new phone. You have had the phone all of 4 days and expect it to be perfect already. I think you need to give it some time. You already said yourseld you modded your TB. Expect the same with this phone. And when and on a new OS you can not expect every app to work immediately. Looks like you should of waited a month to get the phone, or go back to the TB for another month and hold onto the Nexus. I currently have a TB myself.
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I never said I expected it to be perfect. That is an unreasonable expectation of any device, even one that has matured and polished over time.
I do expect a flagship device to deliver on some of what was promised. This device has delivered on very few promises at launch. So far disappointed, but very hopeful it will be fixed.

makes me appreciate my hspa th even more

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I never said I expected it to be perfect. That is an unreasonable expectation of any device, even one that has matured and polished over time.
I do expect a flagship device to deliver on some of what was promised. This device has delivered on very few promises at launch. So far disappointed, but very hopeful it will be fixed.
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But there are bugs with any device, especially on a new OS. Look at apple, they know how to bring new devices to market, but at launch iOS 5 was plagued with bugs, most notable was the battery drain.
But what promises hasn't the Nexus kept? I'm a little curious. Because to me, the Nexus line promises to bring the best hardware and software in terms of functionality, and to me the phone doesn't fall short of any expectations.
To each his own, right?

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I am indeed an LTE user on Verizon. The battery problem seems to be real, as documented on this forum and elsewhere.
Good to hear you are doing so well, implying that there is some kind of drain issue isolated to the verizon LTE launch.
I am coming from a Thunderbolt, and while the device isn't slow, the rooted/modded bolt was significantly faster at launching gmail, yahoo mail, go sms texting, facebook etc... I suspect that this too will be fixed, but its frustrating that a more powerful device on paper is actually performing worse than an almost year old device.
Any other Thunderbolt users notice the lag on the nexus that I am referring to?
The vibrate feature is perhaps a matter of personal preference. What is fine for you, may not be nearly enough for others. I will try your suggestions though and appreciate it. I prefer to have my device in my pocket, and need to feel the vibrations as they are often emergent pages. Again, the vibration issue seems to be a real problem documented hear and elsewhere on the web.
The camera issue isn't about the speed, which is impressive. The problem is too many photos don't focus properly. The bolt took terrific pictures in comparison albeit at a slower pace. Flash photography indoors is not even passable in my opinion. Perhaps this latter problem can be or has been fixed in 3rd party camera applications. I am just not aware of any at the moment.
The gaming issue concerns me the least. I agree that this will likely be fixed with updated games quickly. I only raised it because my number one favorite game was affected!
Assigning voice capabilities to a long press is a real convenience on the bolt. I don't even have to look at the screen to make it text, email, call, find directions, do a google search, or launch an application. While you may find an alternative "easy" isn't he whole point about android the UI and being able to customize it to your hearts content. I am 100% confident that this will be addressed in some modification or add on program, but it is not easily done now.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
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you cant compare a rooted device with a custom rom and kernel to one that is just rooted stock, its like comparing my old droid 1 to the galaxy nexus, your not comparing apples to apples
now maybe it could be that i came from the droid x(rooted and running cm7) but this phone is just amazing compared to my droid x and my og droid
sure i lost some features like longpress to search but i gained so many new ones(face unlock, 4g, google wallet, ect.) that i see they weigh out the loss of that feature, just my $0.02 though
battery on the other hand though is really bad, i will get about 5-6 hours at most(im a heavy user though) i just reset my battery stats for the first time though so im gonna hope that fixes it, have you though about getting the extended battery?

I put the extended battery in yesterday and made my way home from my best friend's place (a 3 hour drive). I listened to music via Poweramp over the car stereo for 2 hours and 15 minutes of the drive and then took a 45 minute phone call. Checked the battery after all that and the Gnex was at 71% battery. My guess is those of you with issues have some rogue app blowing your battery up. And comparisons with the Thunderbolt? My friend's brother in law had a loaner Thunderbolt he got from VZW whilst waiting for a new phone to come in as warranty replacement. It was running the stock ROM. The Nexus is crazily significantly faster than a stock TB. Reiterating the point of others, just wait til the devs get 10 months of development time on the Nexus - hell, give them 2 weeks and come to us and tell us how the phone is versus the TB. I had a Rezound. Great phone, but lack of S-Off (root) and dev support is why I jumped ship back to the Nexus.

I just sold my Thunderbolt, and I don't have any speed issues with the device whatsoever. It is much, much quicker than the Thunderbolt.
My launch TB had horrific battery life. I guarantee yours did too. Only after significant modding and kernel work for months was the TB acceptable with battery life. While I agree battery life stinks right now, it will get much better, and much quicker than the TB did.
One of your programs isn't compatible with ICS and it is sucking up your battery by running all the time. Try to find out what it is.
Games/apps need to be rewritten to be compatible with ICS. Give it time.
After a month or two, this phone is going to be twice as good than it is now. We already have Google Wallet available after 3 days! It is just going to get better.

Download "Camera ZOOM Fx" and your photos will be a lot more detailed and colorful

bhazard451 said:
I just sold my Thunderbolt, and I don't have any speed issues with the device whatsoever. It is much, much quicker than the Thunderbolt.
My launch TB had horrific battery life. I guarantee yours did too. Only after significant modding and kernel work for months was the TB acceptable with battery life. While I agree battery life stinks right now, it will get much better, and much quicker than the TB did.
One of your programs isn't compatible with ICS and it is sucking up your battery by running all the time. Try to find out what it is.
Games/apps need to be rewritten to be compatible with ICS. Give it time.
After a month or two, this phone is going to be twice as good than it is now. We already have Google Wallet available after 3 days! It is just going to get better.
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I agree that the battery life on the original Bolt was terrible. The starting point of the Nexus in my opinion is many leagues worse. Today I had to recharge my device 4 times. The last time was after it drained in just over 49 minutes!!
The device has been wiped and factory default, so anything that is sucking up the juice, came with the phone. Its incomprehensible that Google would launch a device with a built in program using this much juice.
Given the comments in this thread, I just spent the past half hour testing an unrooted Bolt, bought the exam same day, from the exact same store as mine. The device was quicker than my Nexus in virtually every regard. Launching gmail, yahoo mail, browser, go sms texting, scrolling, opening settings... You get the point.
I agree the device will get better. It cant get much worse in this regard.
I will be quick to root and install cyanogen.
I am very disappointed at this time, but look forward to brighter future for the device.

45 minutes? something is wrong with your phone or you are on the edge of LTE signal

priapos said:
I am indeed an LTE user on Verizon. The battery problem seems to be real, as documented on this forum and elsewhere.
Good to hear you are doing so well, implying that there is some kind of drain issue isolated to the verizon LTE launch.
I am coming from a Thunderbolt, and while the device isn't slow, the rooted/modded bolt was significantly faster at launching gmail, yahoo mail, go sms texting, facebook etc... I suspect that this too will be fixed, but its frustrating that a more powerful device on paper is actually performing worse than an almost year old device.
Any other Thunderbolt users notice the lag on the nexus that I am referring to?
The vibrate feature is perhaps a matter of personal preference. What is fine for you, may not be nearly enough for others. I will try your suggestions though and appreciate it. I prefer to have my device in my pocket, and need to feel the vibrations as they are often emergent pages. Again, the vibration issue seems to be a real problem documented hear and elsewhere on the web.
The camera issue isn't about the speed, which is impressive. The problem is too many photos don't focus properly. The bolt took terrific pictures in comparison albeit at a slower pace. Flash photography indoors is not even passable in my opinion. Perhaps this latter problem can be or has been fixed in 3rd party camera applications. I am just not aware of any at the moment.
The gaming issue concerns me the least. I agree that this will likely be fixed with updated games quickly. I only raised it because my number one favorite game was affected!
Assigning voice capabilities to a long press is a real convenience on the bolt. I don't even have to look at the screen to make it text, email, call, find directions, do a google search, or launch an application. While you may find an alternative "easy" isn't he whole point about android the UI and being able to customize it to your hearts content. I am 100% confident that this will be addressed in some modification or add on program, but it is not easily done now.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
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My GN is on order and I currently have a modded Thunderbolt. I can't stand that phone at all, and I have been rooted and running Team BAMF ROM for a while. It lags horribly even with overclock, and while on 3G I barely get 7-8 hours. I hate it.
I'm hoping your problems don't translate to mine.

Now weve had a play

Ok so now weve all had a decent play with our OX whats everyones thoughts?
Mod or Die

Not much playing to be had here, battery life is just way too poor.

Are you considering a switch i lv put the ox back in the box an using my gs2 in hope a fix comes via OTA for all the little bugs
Mod or Die

Arthur Hucksake said:
Not much playing to be had here, battery life is just way too poor.
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Arthur. You're boring.
If your device is that bad then send it back as it's clear you're having a lot more problems than everyone else.

no problems here in anyway battery life is fine handset running smooth and fastttttt....................superb device love mine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After I found a way to move my Angry bird space progress without Titanium backup, I'm content using un-rooted one x for now.
I'd like to use Adblock for web browsing and Autostarts to stop some apps from running, but ICS RAM management seems to be working fine.
Battery life seems OK, got 3 hrs 40 mins with full screen brightness and 3G on 2nd full charge.

Arthur Hucksake said:
Not much playing to be had here, battery life is just way too poor.
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I get fantastic battery life!

DaveDesire said:
Arthur. You're boring.
If your device is that bad then send it back as it's clear you're having a lot more problems than everyone else.
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I will send it back after the bank holiday IF I can get an RMA off Handtec.
I won't quit moaning about it, the OP asked for an opinion so I gave it. It's a big chunk of change to put down on a device to have something important let you down.
It's hard to appreciate a device when you can only get 3 hours screen time off a 3 hour charge.
It totally undoes all of the good work HTC have done with it. If you took the battery life of say an iPhone 4 and applied it here, it would be hands down the best piece of kit ever to come out. Literally.
I wouldn't use it as often at home because that is what the laptop and high end gaming PC is there for, so when out and about without access to a plug socket you want it to be at least reasonable. It seriously isn't.
Waiting for software / firmware updates when you have a limited time frame to return it is too much of a risk.
If HTC would have pushed 1.27 on launch day as anticipated a lot of this ill feeling wouldn't be here.
Your buying a device that is different to what is in the reviews.

Battery isn't great but its nothing different than other android phones.

ok so having had it since 7am this morning i must say its amazing, its buttery smooth, not had 1 bit of lag or stutter,
as it stands atm its currently on 9 hours 17 mins and the use i have been doing is
downloaded 7 apps,
installed gta3 from tegra zone which the download to play is 492mb over wifi,
took about 30 odd pics 2 videos 35 secs each
phone calls for about 45 mins total
set up dropbox,browsed ebay for 7 mins and brought 2 items,
ran 4x benchmarks
browesed market place for about 10 mins
sent and recieved around 40 texts,
played around on facebook,
as im a phone shop manager i treated myself for a comparison on it with
the razr
xperia s
s2
my nexus s
mainly cameras , benchmarks speed tests, really testing day .
1 major astonishment i found was
i managed to take come off lock screen boot camera-take a pic before the xperia s got into camera mode. winner,
but so far so good no issues from me and my sexy white x
cheers,

Arthur Hucksake said:
I will send it back after the bank holiday IF I can get an RMA off Handtec.
I won't quit moaning about it, the OP asked for an opinion so I gave it. It's a big chunk of change to put down on a device to have something important let you down.
It's hard to appreciate a device when you can only get 3 hours screen time off a 3 hour charge.
It totally undoes all of the good work HTC have done with it. If you took the battery life of say an iPhone 4 and applied it here, it would be hands down the best piece of kit ever to come out. Literally.
I wouldn't use it as often at home because that is what the laptop and high end gaming PC is there for, so when out and about without access to a plug socket you want it to be at least reasonable. It seriously isn't.
Waiting for software / firmware updates when you have a limited time frame to return it is too much of a risk.
If HTC would have pushed 1.27 on launch day as anticipated a lot of this ill feeling wouldn't be here.
Your buying a device that is different to what is in the reviews.
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Whats the problem,
At the moment, I'm getting a very similar screen on time to my SGS2 (3+hrs) & my HTC ONE X screen is much brighter then I ever had it on my SGS2.
Its also a known fact (due to reviewers) that 1.27, which we don't have yet, 'dramatically' improves battery life with 1.28 'rumoured' to extend it even further!

Arthur Hucksake said:
Waiting for software / firmware updates when you have a limited time frame to return it is too much of a risk.
If HTC would have pushed 1.27 on launch day as anticipated a lot of this ill feeling wouldn't be here.
Your buying a device that is different to what is in the reviews.
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I guess it is the chance we take on buying the device at launch, there always going to be problems both hardware and software we sometime so-called "bata tester" get stuck with.
You could just return it and wait for couple of months to see if HTC made any improvmements.

chrisjcks said:
Whats the problem,
At the moment, I'm getting a very similar screen on time to my SGS2 (3+hrs) & my HTC ONE X screen is much brighter then I ever had it on my SGS2.
Its also a known fact (due to reviewers) that 1.27, which we don't have yet, 'dramatically' improves battery life with 1.28 'rumoured' to extend it even further!
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That is what I don't understand about this launch.
The phone reviewed isn't what we have. The reports of battery life and such aren't what we have paid for.
I contacted HTC by email , phone and Twitter and nobody has any ETA and even deny knowledge of an update coming for general release soon.
I just want the device the reviewers had.

Arthur Hucksake said:
That is what I don't understand about this launch.
The phone reviewed isn't what we have. The reports of battery life and such aren't what we have paid for.
I contacted HTC by email , phone and Twitter and nobody has any ETA and even deny knowledge of an update coming for general release soon.
I just want the device the reviewers had.
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You clearly didn't get a DHD or sensation on launch, they had problems and I'm sure I can't remember your username popping up a million times
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Arthur Hucksake said:
That is what I don't understand about this launch.
The phone reviewed isn't what we have. The reports of battery life and such aren't what we have paid for.
I contacted HTC by email , phone and Twitter and nobody has any ETA and even deny knowledge of an update coming for general release soon.
I just want the device the reviewers had.
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Even without the update, your still getting a battery life very similar to Samsungs current flagship device (which has had a few software updates) - this is with a much brighter screen, a larger HD screen & a quad core processor when compared to the SGS2.
Are you just pissed you haven't got the 1.27 update (& don't know when you will...), or do you really think the battery is that bad?
I know 1.27 is gonna improve the battery, but even in its current state - when I compare it, it ain't that bad compared to the competition.

chrisjcks said:
Even without the update, your still getting a battery life very similar to Samsungs current flagship device (which has had a few software updates) - this is with a much brighter screen, a larger HD screen & a quad core processor when compared to the SGS2.
Are you just pissed you haven't got the 1.27 update (& don't know when you will...), or do you really think the battery is that bad?
I know 1.27 is gonna improve the battery, but even in its current state - when I compare it, it ain't that bad compared to the competition.
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I had the SGS2 and the battery life is better than what we got here, seriously.
And I did have a Sensation around launch , it was glitchy but again the battery life was not this poor.
But it could also be a case of not noticing it as much because I could carry a spare battery if need be, but never felt the need to use it.
Today our car broke down on the motorway and after calling the RAC then having to get a tow, the battery was nearly depleted and I had the worry of whether it would last long enough to take the call from when they arrived.
Then having to send a few texts to let people know we wouldn't be getting there, just how on earth are you meant to appreciate the greatness of this phone with the constant battery worries?
Random point, but do this.
Go into the Play store, scroll down the free apps for a short while, then check your battery status. 3 or 4% down having done practically nothing.

Such are the risks of getting a v1.0 anything I'm afraid, it will almost always not be as good as v1.1+. You take the chance of having initial issues vs. having the latest greatest device first. This has always been the way, some of the early release iPhones have had terrible problems until receiving patches.
At the moment I'm loving the phone, I don't think the battery is all that bad so far, but looking forward to the updates making it better, I'm certainly happy with the choice I made, no question.

SartoriXX said:
Such are the risks of getting a v1.0 anything I'm afraid, it will almost always not be as good as v1.1+. You take the chance of having initial issues vs. having the latest greatest device first. This has always been the way, some of the early release iPhones have had terrible problems until receiving patches.
At the moment I'm loving the phone, I don't think the battery is all that bad so far, but looking forward to the updates making it better, I'm certainly happy with the choice I made, no question.
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Think I will try a swap out for another, see how that fares. If it is exactly the same then atleast I know i've given it a fair roll of the dice.
It's like I am really hoping there is something wrong with mine, and the battery isn't how it's meant to be but the pattern is common on here and usage stats are all pretty much the same.
I wouldn't say its right to compare it to the iPhone neither. HTC have had plenty of time to get this right. I've had the Hero> Desire > Sensation and now this. Each time I keep expecting them to "get it right" and they never quite make it.
The craziest thing is, the Hero is still my pick of the bunch judging by how I felt at the time and the fact I added a hench battery and made it even better.

i think alot of users were expecting too much from the phone massive hype led to a kick in the nuts for some .. ????take the phone as it is, if battery is going to make or break your decision then a machine like this maybe isnt for you.
end of the day it is android 4 with sense 4 big screen quad core - expect battery to be poor until you have a few cycles and updates are sent out, dhd was worse i had 2 off them....
cheers

Im getting my HTC One X on Tuesday next week from phones4u hopefully, cant wait!. But ive read such a difference in people experiences with the battery life of this phone that im not sure what to make of it! lol, ill just have to wait and see I guess and report back how i find it, it promising to see that the majority, correct me if im wrong, of UK users seem to be reporting good battery life though!

[Q] why so little support for the LG G3 but the G S5 has so much?

I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?

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I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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Yes, more people bought it, so there are more devs.
What exactly you want developed for G3?
Kernels? Nah, you can't jump higher than lg did. It's already optimised. You can, of course, add some GCC flags, change toolchain, etc etc etc... For a marginal improvement, at best. Well, you can add undervolting, some modules (ntfs, gamepads, etc), advanced sound control... What else?..
Roms? Well, developing "only for G3!" roms isn't the best idea. Besides, some popular AOSP roms are already ported to g3, ones that haven't been ported don't even have stable 5.0 builds yet. Modding stock rom is almost impossible right now, apktool doesn't fully support neither 5.0, neither lg's special apk's (two apk's with id of 127 sharing resources? LG-way, lol.), so good custom roms aren't even possible yet.
And no, we won't get more support. If you want tons of support - buy Samsung.

I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!

pikachukaki said:
I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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i agree with both of the posts here and to really answer the first question, there is nothing that i specifically want developed i just was kinda confused as to why the forums are not filled with roms and kernals but you made a good point about saying quality over quantity.. I do really enjoy this phone and consider it the top of the line right now but we will see......

Honestly we have a fair amount of roms at this stage and it will only get better and better but as far as kernels goes I'd wish to see some more with overclocking/undervolting/profiles features in them ..
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device

^^
Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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nc35 said:
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Been offered a straight trade for HTC one M8 might take them up on it

As a person coming from Samsung S2, S3, Note 3, I can say that Lg is doing a great job with the G2/G3 stock software! Way better than Samsung! Yes you'll find fingerprint features and some other useless bells and whistles, but LG software is solid, almost lag free, and battery life is king!
During my lifetime with Samsung, I spent most of my time cheating its software with Cyanogenmod.
So, would I be sad to not have the same amount of support on S5? Definitely no! I think what we have is valuable and I haven't felt yet that I need to run away to CM11/12.
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
I know some have stated they see lag in the UI such as when they open a drawer, or swipe between screens and such. I guess I've never noticed that before, so maybe they come from a different phone that responded better in their eyes. Things that can help are possibly reducing the animation, but a possible issue could be the screen size. This phone packs a lot more pixels in it than the S5, so I could see how rendering on a screen with a larger pixel density could cause this. However, for me, I don't really notice it, and even if it is there, it must not be a huge amount or else I'd notice it.
As for battery life, I don't know what people are expecting. I get at least a days (24 hours) worth. Now, granted I'm running Greenify which has helped me on other phones, so I'm sure that has a hand in it. However, there was a time I wasn't running Greenify at first with this phone and I remember having the phone charged at 100% when I went to bed, took it off the charger, left it on (I used it as an alarm clock plus as my on-call phone) and when I woke up 6+ hours later, it was STILL at 100%. Adding Greenify has helped to prevent apps from wake locking, but that's not the phone's fault. That's how some apps are written and that in and of itself can cause battery drain, but it's even worse if you out-right kill the app/service all the time.
I make and take phone calls (not all day, mind you), I send and receive texts (not every minute). I do play games (Game of War a lot) and that does drain the battery, but that's going to happen on any phone. I've listen to music on my phone, especially when driving to/from work and other errands. One time, I must have logged over 2 hours on Power Amp. I wanted to see how much it drained the battery, so I kept note of where the battery was at when I started listening and where it was when I stopped listening. Over a two hour total period of listening to music, the battery drained 2%. Not bad if you ask me.
I'm just curious because right now, with this phone, I'm getting better battery life than I did with my RAZR MAXX and my RAZR HD phones. This phone I could possibly go two days before charging. After about 36 hours, I'm at 40% battery, so I could probably go another 12 hours, but when I get to 40%, that's when I start charging back up again.
I'm not trying to dispute what people are saying. I'm just curious as to what people are expecting vs. what they are getting (or perceive as getting) from this phone. Again, most of the time, we get generic statements as "battery life sucks" or "it lags". Great. Please back that up with examples because otherwise, it's all in the eye of the beholder as to what great or sucky battery life is and/or what lag is.
Just to show, im currently at 60% after 21 hours of use. That's with phone calls, playing Game of War, texting, etc. I've attached the screenshot as well.

Just comparing to my Note 3, with stock FW but apex launcher.
Battery would last in excess of a day with quite heavy use, games Internet browsing etc. BT always on auto brightness.
Apps would also open instantly or as expected.
The G3 can has a battery life of less than 4hrs with little or no use. Consumes 18-19% in 7hrs overnight.
Finding myself charging the phone at every opportunity.
I know the Note 3 didn't come with qi, but the qi on the G3 is sooo picky. 1mm off and it doesn't charge.
Using stock launcher just pressing home, first the wallpaper loads followed by the icons then the widgets. No what would be called snappy.
And OMG does it get hot!!! For no reason at all. Not playing games, just emails and Web browsing.
So now I am left wondering if the phone is faulty.
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iBolski said:
I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
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I have both "issues".
"poor" is g3's screen-on time on 5.0 while browsing using 4g. 5-5:30 hours on latest firmwares isn't much. It was nearly 7 hours on 4.4.2... I always set brightness to 20% auto, lighting conditions are always same.
I use phone for browsing and listening to locally stored music via Bluetooth. No watching or shooting videos or playing games.
After 5 hours of 4g web browsing i am left with empty battery.
Lag:
I define lag as "animation stuttering". I am seeing it everywhere: Vkontakte, Google Play Store, while opening drawer, switching tasks, etc... It lags often, but not always.
I have 47 user apps installed, 0 additional system apps.
The only apps that keep background services or use alarms are: Aqua mail, LMT, SBH52 smart headset, Titanium backup.
There are 4 apps using GCM for push.
There are 6 accounts (Google, Shazam, Skype, VK, tutu.ru and one money app) at sync section.
And i have got 5.4 gb free out of 25 on intsd. Shouldn't slow down writing much.
A perfect setup, right? But it still lags on official firmware.

I would assume you aren't running anything like Greenify, etc. What it sounds like is there are a lot of wake locks going on. That's where Greenify comes in. I also turn off a lot of syncs as I don't need them. As you can see with my screenshot, 60% is where I was at after 21 hours so thus phone can definitely get good battery life. But, if you do a lot of stuff for hours, no phone can keep it's battery life for long. Also, with the quad hd screen this phone has, that is a big drain, but even then, I'm getting great battery life.
Another thing with going to 5.0, it's best to start fresh. Do a factory data reset and start from scratch. Going from 4.x to 5.0, especially with Lollipop, had a lot of changes underneath the hood. There are others getting better or the same battery life, but i also think it all depends on usage.

I dont know with other guys here.but i am very happy with the lg g3 forums
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I already dumped mine at a huge loss. I would say worst phone ever, but that goes to my first Android, the Moto Backflip. Thank goodness my other phone is a M8.

Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement

Only thing i'm having problems with is the fact that the ram is always overload. Used titanium to remove and freeze alot of stuff but still the ram usage is about 1.3 to 1.6gb.
This is on stock rom which is very good to me with no lag and everything an launcher needs.
Battery life from the G3 is very good, on my previous phone I was affraid to leave the house if the battery wasn't filled to 100% with the G3 i left yesterday at 62% and returned from work with still 46% (off course with no heavy use) while my data is always on.
Conclusion for me after a month of use, good value for the money.

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Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
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Greenify isn't for lag. It's for battery life.
Again, each to his own. I think it all depends on the perception of the user and what they expect and what they've gotten in the past from other phones.
Form me, this phone blows the RAZR MAXX and RAZR HD out of the water, which is what I came from and I get great battery life (well over 36 hours) before I have to recharge. And even then, at 40%, I probably could go another 12 hours but I choose not to.
Just last night, before I went to bed, the phone was at 100%. When I woke up 6 hours later, it went down only 2%, so I had 98% battery left. I've since used it to check email, read the news, played about 45 minutes of Game of War and did some updates via Google Play and I'm at 90%. That's after 9 hours since I last charged. I'd say those are pretty darn good stats for me.
Again, mileage may vary from user to user and what they expect. And from the responses I'm seeing, that's what I'm gathering. Some are saying the phone is great, others say it's okay, and others say it's awful coming from another phone. So, that definitely shows that it's all in the eye of the beholder.
But I appreciate what everyone has posted. It does appear that some who didn't like this phone have been able to find a phone that works great for them. I always try to state why a phone works great "for me" because that's what it is. It's not necessarily going to work great for someone else, but I also don't want to steer someone towards this phone if it doesn't meet their needs, so I try to explain why and how it works for me as I'm the user of this phone, and everyone else might use it differently.
Ciao!

I don't get why a lot of people are complaining about lag and support and s*** like that.
You are getting lag probably because:
(A) You don't know how to use your phone.
(B) You picked up the 16GB model (which only has 2GB RAM
(C) You're not rooted (seriously, who doesn't root their phones nowadays)
When I got this phone, I didn't have it rooted for a month. Everything was smooth despite having a lot of apps installed. It only became a lag machine when I installed Facebook and its Messenger app.
Yes there are lags from time to time, but do iPhones not lag? Of course they do, all phones do. I don't see all you guys' point.
A good phone doesn't need any sort of custom ROM and kernel, etc etc. Mine has always been on Stock ROM and Kernel, minimal lag. iPhone-like smoothness, I must say (but plus good multitasking. iOS multitasking is s***) In fact, when I upgraded to Android 5.0, it got even better.
I have stayed stock most of the time but I always have Greenify installed, (but battery life was still great before rooting and installing Greenify)
You people are just picky.

Not sure why people are seeing 18%+ drop in battery overnight in standby mode. Must either have a lot of synching going on or a misbehaving app or two.
Me, when I'm at home, WiFi is turned on. I have minimal syncing (apps, calendar, google+, photos).
Here is a screenshot I took this morning. When I first woke up, I was down to 98% overnight (was at 100% when I went to bed at midnight and when I woke at 6:30 am, it dropped only 2%).
At the time I took this screenshot, I had already read the news, did some updates, checked emails, and played about 30 minutes of Game of War and I was down to 94%. That seems like good battery life to me.
Of course, if you really want to improve the battery life of this phone, maybe you can go to Amazon and get this upgrade for the G3:
http://www.amazon.com/Warranty-Zero...id=1411938311&sr=8-1&keywords=zerolemon+lg+g3
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