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Alright for some reason unknown to me i have a demon Evo that wants to be different from everyone else. When i first rooted i lost the paid market, and my market was running really slowly. I flashed multiple roms and even the latest OTA to no avail. I did the new root method and again i am still having issues, my phone doing some things different then other people have experienced.
For example, i just tried to flash the latest baked snacks rom, and it came up as,
Wrong Digest
com.market.apk (or whatever the markets true name is)
Is there anyone that can help out?
Would removing the market using adb and then flashing a rom change anything?
Any ideas to experiment would be greatly appreciated!
ok so /system/app is a read only file system so i cant just remove the apps anyways and try and replace them with a flash.
Any ideas?
Also just flashed a 2.2 rom to see if that would change anything and again i have no paid app sections in the market.
i have no clue what the problem is but are you wiping before you flash
Of course im wiping haha. Ive wiped everything you possibly can wipe. Ive deleted the entire /system/app folder before flashing. Ive flashed roms of 2.2 and 2.1, ive ran RUU's. I have no friggin clue what steps to take
but you have tried doing the data,cache,dalvik from the recovery menu? Sorry if that's what you meant but I am a little confused by the wiping system/app part you wrote
Yeah i have. Ive wiped everything.
Hmm. Have you tried a different recovery to make sure its not that? Sorry I don't have any more tips to give you, it just seems like its a strange problem to have across multiple roms. Just kinda makes me think something isn't clearing correctly. Best of luck, I'm sure you will get it figured out
yeah i just wish there was someone who had the key. Ive had both clockwork and Amon's recovery. I have no idea what it could be and i cant believe nobody else has experienced this.
yeah, sorry I couldn't offer a better answer. I tried doing a search but could not find anything relevant
I am sure you will figure it out though!
Was wanting some more help with rooting my Evo for the first time. I know there are a lot of guides for n00bs out there but this stuff moves too fast and they are out of date.
Anyways, my phone is stock:
-Android 2.2
-Software number 3.29.651.5
-PRI version 1.77_003
-PRL version 60671
My intention was to use Unrevoked 3.21 but I read through ALOT of information from different sites and am thoroughly confused. Since my phone has all the recent OTA updates can it be rooted with this? And if so, I most definitely need to not take the Sprint OTA updates and wait for the "rooted" versions correct?
I like the Sense UI (but never used any others) and am happy with the phone the way it is. My hope is being able to use the hotspot feature and remove the bloatware from the phone.
Can anyone walk me through some of this (specific to my need)? As said before, I know there are already some n00b walkthroughs out there but most are too dated and some things apply and some don't which makes it very confusing.
Unrevoked 3.21 is the way to go. I just used it to root my replacement evo and it worked beautifully. Here is the thread for it, just read it and follow the relatively easy instructions and you won't have any issues.
Great.....thanks. This one is the most current I have seen.
I have read that if I take this route the phone could still be flashed back to a stock state in case warranty service (by Sprint) is needed. Am I still correct in assuming this?
Absolutely. It is very easy to unroot and return your phone to stock.
I'm going through the process now. However, my phone has rebooted and unrevoked3 has been sitting doing nothing for awhile. It still says:
Waiting for root...(safe to restart if this doesn't work)
Recovery image: ClockworkMod Recovery
This has been on there for around 5 min now. Do I re-run unrevoked at this point? Do I need to do anything with my phone? What happens if I re-run it and same thing happens?
Thanks.
That happened to me the first time I did it. It worked fine the second. You're ok to run it again.
Nice....it was a success the second time. Thanks.
Now all I have to do is find out what to do from here! lol
You can find info on anything that you might want to do by searching the forums here at xda and by using google. I recommend reading up as much as you can before you start deleting or flashing anything.
The best piece of advice I can give you is to do a nandroid backup before you modify ANYTHING on your phone. That means do one right now so if by chance you screw something up, you can always restore it and be back to where you started. If you don't know what a nandroid is or how to do one, use the search feature here or once again, google.
Good luck and welcome to the xda community
Sorry to jump in on the post but metalhead has been so helpful to how I would like to root. I have searched for nandroid, nandriod backup, and back up nand. None of theme gave a clear path for tutorial. If you could lead me in the right direction I think that this should be made a sticky.
Thanks in advance.
mainstang said:
Sorry to jump in on the post but metalhead has been so helpful to how I would like to root. I have searched for nandroid, nandriod backup, and back up nand. None of theme gave a clear path for tutorial. If you could lead me in the right direction I think that this should be made a sticky.
Thanks in advance.
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Do you know what recovery you flashed? regardless, there are two ways to go about it. 1. turn your phone completely. hold Power and VOL - until the boot menu appears, use volume to move the selection and power to select. pick recovery. nandroid backup.
2. get Rom Manager(market). it has a one-touch button to reboot into recovery. easy peasy.
each recovery is different. Whether you have RA or Clockwork or some other third thing, you will get the same result, you just have to go about it differently.
good luck!!
I'm back post root! However, have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers to.
1) Am I OK to take my phone out of USB debug mode, or does it need to stay like that?
2) Can I re-install HTC sync and will it work with all ROMS?
3) I downloaded ROM Manager and Titanium Backup (both paid). When flashing a new ROM, all settings are gone as well as apps from the market. Is there a way to restore a rom without having to go back and re-download ROM Manager from the market then use it to restore? It takes to darn long to reboot the phone into recovery and restore that way.
Also with Titanium Backup, since it just backs up apps what is the point of doing a backup with it? If a complete image is saved by whichever backup you do, all apps in that image will be restored as well. When would anyone ever need to restore just the apps from before with the same rom?
4) Can I do a batch flash with a custom ROM and a custom theme? Or should I do the ROM first then the theme? I wouldn't think the theme can be applied until the ROM is flashed first. I'm not sure if ROM Manager will do this in a specific order.
Thanks.
CCallahan said:
I'm back post root! However, have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers to.
1) Am I OK to take my phone out of USB debug mode, or does it need to stay like that?
2) Can I re-install HTC sync and will it work with all ROMS?
3) I downloaded ROM Manager and Titanium Backup (both paid). When flashing a new ROM, all settings are gone as well as apps from the market. Is there a way to restore a rom without having to go back and re-download ROM Manager from the market then use it to restore? It takes to darn long to reboot the phone into recovery and restore that way.
Also with Titanium Backup, since it just backs up apps what is the point of doing a backup with it? If a complete image is saved by whichever backup you do, all apps in that image will be restored as well. When would anyone ever need to restore just the apps from before with the same rom?
4) Can I do a batch flash with a custom ROM and a custom theme? Or should I do the ROM first then the theme? I wouldn't think the theme can be applied until the ROM is flashed first. I'm not sure if ROM Manager will do this in a specific order.
Thanks.
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1) i would leave it enabled. it doesn't hurt anything and there are a lot of programs and modifications that use it.
2) in the half dozen roms i've tried, HTC sync does work. i am curious though. what are you using it for?
3) i'm not 100% clear on what you want, but i'll try my best. if all you're wanting to do is restore to a previous rom(for instance, if you flashed a rom to test it out and hate it) as long as you did a nandroid backup BEFORE flashing the rom, you can restore with all your settings and apps in place.
with TB i back up with it in such a way that it preserves all my settings and apps(including PLACEMENT of the apps on my docks and home screens) This is very useful. i'm not really sure why you don't see the significance in TitaniumBackup. it would be an absolute PAIN to restore all your apps from the market. or even better, REMEMBER which apps you had installed after a flash.
4) i would ALWAYS flash a rom first, reboot, check it out to make sure it loads properly. i know it takes a while but it's better to wait, then to try and flash everything at once and frag your phone. it's your phone of course, so do as you wish, but my advice is to flash the rom, reboot, then flash your theme.
good luck!!
Good stuff to know.....thanks.
In response to #2........I'm using HTC sync to sync my contacts/calendar between the phone and Outlook. I do not like using Google apps for this and HTC makes it easy to sync with this program.
In response to #3......You did answer my question. Just wanted to know if there was a faster way to recover (maybe a trick through ROM Manager) that I didn't know about.
To explain more about my Titanium Backup question......now that i think about it I guess if a custom ROM is flashed, one can re-download Titanium and restore all apps/locations on the new ROM setup, which would make things incredibly easier than downloading/placing/sizing apps individually. But, will it also restore widgets with the size/screen placement as well?
CCallahan said:
But, will it also restore widgets with the size/screen placement as well?
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Yessir, it did for me
Seriously, lol..
I am coming from a CE device and going to android is a little bit of a learning curve.. Not that its harder but its different obviously.
What I am asking basically.. All these guides that are written out talk about things as if we already know them..
Don't get me wrong, they are written great, but I don't know certain lingo.. For example I am really wanting to install a ROM.. Just got my evo a few weeks ago, Rooted it and thats it.. Looking into Roms and reading the instructions, its like "WHATTT??"
Sure they explain how to do it, but they don't explain in detail certain steps.. It happens as many people assume they should know..
For example (and they are all like this)
I am looking at the FRESH'S rom.. Seems like a good Rom from what I read, but looking at the instructions for just the Radio
http://geekfor.me/faq/flash-radio/
2) Boot in to RA and pick “Flash zip from sdcard”
RA?? What is RA??
Before these instructions it says "Don’t flash this unless you have a CDMA Evo 4g"
I am sure most people know what CDMA is, but I don't.. Have no Idea, lol
I am basically hoping there is a guide "FOR IDIOTS"
Thanks all
ra is a recovery, you can have either clockworkmod or amon_ra, they both do the same so its personal choice.
cdma is type of network, ie sprint, verizon, cricket. gsm is the other, ie att etc.
now that your phone is rooted, make a backup before anything else. you boot into recovery by turning the phone off, then give it 5 secs then hold Volume down button and then pressing the power button, when it responds you can let go. wait for img file checks to finish then press volume down once to highlight recovery and press power to select. you will now be in recovery. go into nandroid and make a backup.
you can use rom manager from the market to flash many roms however the fresh and damagecontrol links are currently erroring.
before flashing any roms be sure to wipe data and cache either in recovery if done manually or by checking the box in rom manager
Anyone wanna help a fellow brotha out and make a quick 10 bucks.. Lunch money at least.. Just to call me and maybe walk me through some of it, or atleast verbally explain some things
Paypal will be done right away..
Id really appreciate it..
install rom manager, you can make a backup through it. its an automated app, tell it what to do and it will boot into recovery and do it then reboot again
Have Rom manager.. I just did a "boot into Recovery" I then did a nandroid backup.. But why? I did this with Titanum.. How many back ups do I need? This is where I get confused..
I did a couple things with Titanuim and it took like 600 megs of space, now I am doing what seems like the same thing with nandiod back up?
Now, do I just unzip both the fresh rom and the radio, put it in a folder on my Sdisk, open rom manager, choose manually install or whatever it says, and point it to the unzipped Fresh Rom??
If yes, then how do I do the radio?
THANKS
Also, I know my apps will be gone by doing a root, and I could just download then again,,, (correct??)
What about my contacts and pictures and videos??
THanks
you don't unzip the rom, and you shouldnt need the new radio, put the fresh zip on your sd card and in rom manage tell it to flash it and check wipe data and cache.
you can always redownload your apps from the market, purchased ones stay purchased
no loss of pics or vids. sd card isnt wiped
you can check your current baseband version and if its the same then your already set
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Have Rom manager.. I just did a "boot into Recovery" I then did a nandroid backup.. But why? I did this with Titanum.. How many back ups do I need? This is where I get confused..
I did a couple things with Titanuim and it took like 600 megs of space, now I am doing what seems like the same thing with nandiod back up?
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Titanium will backup your apps and app data too if you want. When flashing a new ROM you can download titanium from the market and then restore all of your apps.
Doing a nandroid backup in essence takes a snapshot of what your phone looks like at that point in time (apps, user preferences, theme, etc) and saves it. At any point later on, after trying different ROMs, changing settings, etc you can revert to that nandroid backup and restore it. Doing so will bring your phone back to that exact state when you performed the nandroid as if you never did any of the changes afterward.
And a lot of your questions can probably be answered in the post linked in my sig.
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Titanium will backup your apps and app data too if you want. When flashing a new ROM you can download titanium from the market and then restore all of your apps.
Doing a nandroid backup in essence takes a snapshot of what your phone looks like at that point in time (apps, user preferences, theme, etc) and saves it. At any point later on, after trying different ROMs, changing settings, etc you can revert to that nandroid backup and restore it. Doing so will bring your phone back to that exact state when you performed the nandroid as if you never did any of the changes afterward.
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Thank you for explaining that.. MAkes sense now..
Also.. You say I don't need a new radio, but the main Fresh Rom post, says I "SHOULD " get the new radio, (which he posted) and install that before or after..
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Also.. You say I don't need a new radio,
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I did?
you would install the radio after, manually in recovery. leave it zipped too, put it in an easy place to get, like the root of the card.
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I did?
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I said it mark, I was assuming OP had all current updates which include the radio
m4rk0358 said:
And a lot of your questions can probably be answered in the post linked in my sig.
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Did you write that? its really the best I have come across.. Thanks!! I am on my way.. Its in the middle of the rom install..
Wish me luck
I still need to find out if I should install the "Recommended" Radio or not..
THANKS GUYS!!
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I said it mark, I was assuming OP had all current updates which include the radio
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Well.. I have all the current (Sprint/Evo) updates.. But nothing from aftermarket..
Phone just rebooted.. Here we go
Oh one more thing..
If I feel to revert back to stock and use the "nandroid" back up, will it back up the radio I had then too??
Looks Like I am done... That was nice and easy (thanks to Rom manager)
I am now going to install the radio that was recommended.. Can I use Rom manager for that too??
in TitaniumBackup (tiB) ... go to Batch .. Backup all user apps
(i would suggest purchasing tiB. the paid version is MUCH faster and you won't have to click on each app to restore it. i also like that you can create a flashable zip file for your backup. ie: an update.zip file. it's under the the "More" section.)
i would suggest using Amon_RA as your loader. here is the thread to review it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026&highlight=amon_ra
do a nandroid. (don't forget to copy a nandroid onto your computer once in a while...having ur nandroid exist only on ur sdcard sux if you lose ur phone or ur card melts)
- between ROMs..do a full wipe. (ie: From Fresh to BakedSnack or CM6) just do it. it will save you stress and irritation. it will also help you streamline your recovery process and develop overall familiarity with the system.
- when upgrading a ROM (ie: Fresh 3.1 to Fresh 3.1.1 or 3.2) usually you can just wipe your Cache and DalvikCache (always read the FirstPost of your ROM ... some times you need to full wipe)
- Flashing a kernel can have significant impacts on your device. always flash Cache and DalvickCache. always have a good nandriod ready. always be plugged in or have >50% battery. always in this case means...not technically "Required", but don't cry to me if something goes awry.
the tiB will restore your applications but not settings. some apps like launcherPRO OR adw.Launcher or SMSbacup+ etc will allow you to export your settings. then you simply import your settings when needed. usually works quite well.
the nandroid is more like a 'Ghost Image' we use on computers. it will allow you to recover your devices almost 100% to the point it was when the image was taken. similar to tiB but diferent. tiB backups up the apps. nandroid backs up the whole system.
check this thread for Radios... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485
yes, you will flash the radio zips in the recovery console as well
this is a combo zip and should work fine http://www.mediafire.com/file/ry3k8....00.09.01_WiMAX_26023_R01_PRI_NV_1.77_003.zip
OK.. Now that I have FRESH ROM.. I would like to get a theme.. Right? Isn't this what most people do after a Root,Rom,Radio, Theme??
Thanks
Umm this is not good.. where are all my contacts? I was under the impression they would stay.. How do I get them back? I did a nandroid back up and a Titanium too.. Where did they go? Or should I just sync to my computer again?
Thanks
if your contacts are synced to gmail they will appear shortly after sync, if you have them on your computer you can sync them that way
once the radio is current you don't have to update it again, it won't be downgraded with flashing roms
Hey Everyone,
Prior to trying my hand at rooting, unbranding, and doing all the stuff involving s-off and...you know...I had a stock bell desire z which was unlocked to use other networks however I couldn't use locations which was a big thing for me so I sought out to see how I could.
I ended up rooting my phone using this guide:
http://androidforums.com/desire-z-a...locking-your-bell-desire-z-newb-friendly.html
It went pretty well and I did end up rooting the phone, but then I decided to download a worldwide stock rom which was safe so I could get the locations to work and it does work.
However, now I am at the point where I would like to try the custom ROMS like Virtuous and Gingervillain, and also get into overclocking down the road. Anyone recommend one or the other?
Also, when I was backing up my current ROM (worldwide one) using clockworkmod 3.0xxx before I try Virtuous, after the reboot that the backup option does; I get to a black screen with a phone and a red triange, with an exclamation mark on the inside.
What does this mean?
Any small tips and advice are appreciated, but I am also reading around too!
Thanks in advance dudes.
OH SHOOT! Silly me!
I know why the red triangle/exclamation mark thing happened...i forgot to flash clockworkmod on my new ROM.
still need advice though!
My only advice is to make sure that you have multiple backups, and then copy those backups to a computer. Also a micro sdcard reader is a nice thing to have. In downloading/flashing ROMS,. I messed up my sdcard, but I had a copy of it, so all was good.
Just my 2cents.
i can transfer the whole backup folder onto my desktop right right? i mean the folder that is in the clockworkmod>backup>date:time (backup) <-this folder, and just replace it back in the backup folder when I need to flash that again?
That is what I have done, along with my sdcard/download directory to keep a copy of downloaded ROMS from the web as well. My only issue is that I am waiting for my 32gig sd card.
So I was got my s3 awhile back and rooted it and ran Clean bean without any problems, well after those annoying system update messages started to get to me I decided I wanted to try and new rom and update my phone a bit as I would be leaving the country and wanted my phone updated. So I decided to flash slimbeam , It went off without a hitch. Only problem was I could not figure out how to get Titanium backup to restore all my contacts and app data. I saved all the backup files on my computer and even after putting them in the Titanium backup directory it would not let me do it. Anyway.....I decided to try and use the titanium backup program that lets you extract the data from a nandroid backup and flash it in recovery. I forgot to put it on my internal card when doing so and when I did my wipe I deleted it (epic facepalm) so I have to reflash cleanbean go back into my phone and make the .zip file to flash...
So I got tired and went to bed before flashing anything else, when I wake up. My phone is stuck on the samsung boot image screen. I try starting only to get the same thing. So I boot to CWS recovery and try to restore one of my nandroid backups. I accidentally hit backup to external sd and it started to run a backup, thenn my car charger came unplugged and the phone died....thinking it would just make that specific nandroid corrupt I thought nothing of it. So I reboot to CWS recovery again and actually try to do a restore with my oldest nandroid, But I get the error "Error updating /system" and error updating "/data".....I tried multiple backups that I have, none of them work and all produce that message.. 'm fairly new to this, What Am I doing wrong? I really love this site and all you guys do and I will be forever greatful of any help you guys can give me. I leave the country for Mexico in 2 days and I cant afford to pay the $150 to get my phone warrantied from sprint!
Thanks in advance, and sorry for spelling/grammar mistakes (at work, not suppose to be on here)
-Lucid.
Lucid420 said:
So I was got my s3 awhile back and rooted it and ran Clean bean without any problems, well after those annoying system update messages started to get to me I decided I wanted to try and new rom and update my phone a bit as I would be leaving the country and wanted my phone updated. So I decided to flash slimbeam , It went off without a hitch. Only problem was I could not figure out how to get Titanium backup to restore all my contacts and app data. I saved all the backup files on my computer and even after putting them in the Titanium backup directory it would not let me do it. Anyway.....I decided to try and use the titanium backup program that lets you extract the data from a nandroid backup and flash it in recovery. I forgot to put it on my internal card when doing so and when I did my wipe I deleted it (epic facepalm) so I have to reflash cleanbean go back into my phone and make the .zip file to flash...
So I got tired and went to bed before flashing anything else, when I wake up. My phone is stuck on the samsung boot image screen. I try starting only to get the same thing. So I boot to CWS recovery and try to restore one of my nandroid backups. I accidentally hit backup to external sd and it started to run a backup, thenn my car charger came unplugged and the phone died....thinking it would just make that specific nandroid corrupt I thought nothing of it. So I reboot to CWS recovery again and actually try to do a restore with my oldest nandroid, But I get the error "Error updating /system" and error updating "/data".....I tried multiple backups that I have, none of them work and all produce that message.. 'm fairly new to this, What Am I doing wrong? I really love this site and all you guys do and I will be forever greatful of any help you guys can give me. I leave the country for Mexico in 2 days and I cant afford to pay the $150 to get my phone warrantied from sprint!
Thanks in advance, and sorry for spelling/grammar mistakes (at work, not suppose to be on here)
-Lucid.
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Ok Lucid, stay calm.
First off, never do any work in Recovery without a fully charged phone. You're just asking for trouble if you're relying on the cable being plugged in.
I've never had good luck with trying to restore data in TiBu from a nandroid backup.
I'm not going to go into how to make your backups work. I'm honestly more concerned with just getting your phone back into working order. This thread has the most current Stock Rom in TAR form. Odin instructions can be found in this post within that thread.
After you're back to 100% stock, unrooted, you can follow the rooting guide to gain root back.
THANKS
topherk said:
Ok Lucid, stay calm.
First off, never do any work in Recovery without a fully charged phone. You're just asking for trouble if you're relying on the cable being plugged in.
I've never had good luck with trying to restore data in TiBu from a nandroid backup.
I'm not going to go into how to make your backups work. I'm honestly more concerned with just getting your phone back into working order. This thread has the most current Stock Rom in TAR form. Odin instructions can be found in this post within that thread.
After you're back to 100% stock, unrooted, you can follow the rooting guide to gain root back.
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Thanks man! Most appreciated! You just relieved a large amount of stress! I'll pay it forward!
topherk said:
Ok Lucid, stay calm.
First off, never do any work in Recovery without a fully charged phone. You're just asking for trouble if you're relying on the cable being plugged in.
I've never had good luck with trying to restore data in TiBu from a nandroid backup.
I'm not going to go into how to make your backups work. I'm honestly more concerned with just getting your phone back into working order. This thread has the most current Stock Rom in TAR form. Odin instructions can be found in this post within that thread.
After you're back to 100% stock, unrooted, you can follow the rooting guide to gain root back.
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Do what he said, I can vouch that restoring data through tibu from a nandroid has never worked for me either. If you backed up your contacts with Google you can just export them into a file (either .csv or .xml i forget) and then import that into your contacts
Sent from my SPH-L710
sevenpioverthree said:
Do what he said, I can vouch that restoring data through tibu from a nandroid has never worked for me either. If you backed up your contacts with Google you can just export them into a file (either .csv or .xml i forget) and then import that into your contacts
Sent from my SPH-L710
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And after looking through the sextape forums thread a bit more, you don't actually have to reroot, just use the following TAR file:
"Restore" Versions - Wipes your user data
SPH-L710_MD4_1130792_Stock_Restore [EXE|TAR.MD5.GZ]
SPH-L710_MD4_1130792_Rooted_Restore [EXE|TAR.MD5.GZ]
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They also have really good instructions for the Odin work on there.
Hope you get it working!
GOT IT! Thanks for the help man, worked like a charm. Even learned a thing or two .....So can you tell me how I get my stuff back using titanium backup? I got the backup files on my computer and I'm flashing a rom as I type this.
Lucid420 said:
GOT IT! Thanks for the help man, worked like a charm. Even learned a thing or two .....So can you tell me how I get my stuff back using titanium backup? I got the backup files on my computer and I'm flashing a rom as I type this.
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Here is a link to a post where I talked about Tianium Backup and what not to restore. It should be fairly informative.
In TiBu for SMS and call logs hit menu from the main screen and backup data as XML, select save locally when it's done. Move the xml files to external SD if you're gonna flash a 4.2.2 rom, flash new rom move the xmls back to internal, go to tibu, same menu, restore from xml and select which one you want to restore. It'll open a quasi file explorer, locate the corresponding xml for the option you chose(call log, SMS, wifi, bookmarks) and select it. It will restore the data via XML and you'll have all your call logs, sms, bookmarks and wifi accesspoints back like you never left your previous rom.
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