This is only a suggestion to make this sub forum DIAMOND ROM DEVELOPMENT much more readily accessible to released ROM's.
We have so many ROMS being uploaded these days that for finding a particular ROM you have to browse through hundreds of threads (some of the threads are ROM threads, while others are discussions about some problem etc.). Also there is no thread containing a realtime, up-to-date index of released ROM's.
This can be made easier if there is a new section / sticky introduced under this sub forum DIAMOND ROM DEVELOPMENT,
example :
ALL WM 6.1 ROMS (POST HERE)
ALL WM 6.5 ROMS (POST HERE)
All chefs / authors of ROM should use only the above two sections to post their roms.
EDIT :
a) If possible, header/title of the ROM post must be brief & standardized such as [date]-[build]-[lang]-[name (max 30 char for eg.)]-[short description (max 30 char for eg.)]
b) Same logic can be used to assign name to the uploaded rom zip file.
c) ROM's should be indexed somehow by a number such as 1,2,3 etc. Numbers can be assigned based on release date. This will improve traceability of a particular rom. IT must be possible to sort the posts in above thread by the index no. (and therefore the release dat)
I dont know if this requires programming the thread structure or something of that sort.
All other discussions can stay under Diamond ROM development as they are right now, so inconvenience to members is avoided.
(EDIT : Although, I am not a very active member of this forum when it comes to posting, but have tried 80% of the ROMS released here. I am able to visit this place only two times a week & always find it difficult to find / search new ROM releases for flashing / testing)
I agree that this could actually work and would make it much easier to find something. Lets see what the other people thinks about it.
I agree! TOTALLY!!
Yup, agreed! Would be hell of a lot easier to find something that way!
It would be really useful... I totally agree
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It would be really useful... I totally agree
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Actually, more useful would be (as it was when Pietrucci had diamond...) to have a benchmark of all those roms.
like this thread.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582700
But there is nobody today who has will/time/possibility to do such thing. And that's a shame....
mjaxa said:
Actually, more useful would be (as it was when Pietrucci had diamond...) to have a benchmark of all those roms.
like this thread.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582700
But there is nobody today who has will/time/possibility to do such thing. And that's a shame....
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Agreed. Benchmark of ROM's would be perhaps more useful. But for doing benchmarks,we will anyway require some sort of list to start with.
Please clean up this thread mods...there is so little on actual android development, he rest is off topic or barely on top and hence deserves in Q&A or General !
HazzBazz said:
Please clean up this thread mods...there is so little on actual android development, he rest is off topic or barely on top and hence deserves in Q&A or General !
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p.s. I vote for finding some new aggressive mods to clean up the sub forums... alot of repeated questions keep popping up all over the place =(
WE have a Q&A thread for a reason...eg barebones rom is not development, its Q&A, 1080p playback is general until it stops being just speculation.
And hell I love NOLED but it's an app.
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And hell I love NOLED but it's an app.
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What do you understand by "Development"?
If NOLED (application developed exclusivelly for our SGS) is not supposed to be here, then what? Are the ROMs discussions and MODs better candidates?
Should we change the name from "Galaxy S development" to "Galaxy S Technical discussions"?
in my opinion the worst spam topics are the many "bricked my SGS please help immediately"
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in my opinion the worst spam topics are the many "bricked my SGS please help immediately"
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+1 these are annoying and then they wonder why no one replies to them.
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+1
Developer forum should be for apps, roms, firmwares, etc.
This could relate to this other thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084
If we can clean the forum and keep it clean (with good active moderators) it should be easy even to merge galaxy s forums and have all interesting information in the right place
carlocb said:
+1
Developer forum should be for apps, roms, firmwares, etc.
This could relate to this other thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084
If we can clean the forum and keep it clean (with good active moderators) it should be easy even to merge galaxy s forums and have all interesting information in the right place
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Firmwares Technical Feedback /
ROMs /
Rooting /
Tweeks /
MODs /
Applications created by members for our SGS
Yeah, I think topics need to be clarified. Q&A should be "Questions and Troubleshooting"
And development needs to clarify exactly what is covered, otherwise, technically testing new leaked roms might be considered development..
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It seems to be getting a mess in the dev. section lately.
Put your idea on this thread and we'll look into it.
1. create sticky for official (samsung) firmware as easy downloads
2. create sticky for some basic guides
3. create sticky with pointers to roms for the in-house cooks (rotohammer etc.)
this is a start.
MOD EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
I'd have a set of stickies including:
Flashing Guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895827
Unlocking Guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843323
Rooting Guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859712
A *HUGE OBNOXIOUS BLINKING* Readme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888071
I'm by no means a Dev myself, but I'd love to see y'know... development posts when I lurk here.
Ok, now that i'm un-retired, i'll ask some major cleanup on the dev section.
Starting today/tomorrow between flashing my dev Tab
Several people posted dumped stock firmwares, maybe this should be consolidated into one "Get back to stock" sticky?
T-Mobile stock firmware! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855851
[FIRMWARE] - AT&T stock firmware http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847609
AT&T Production Stock Firmware (I987UCJK1) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857608
Also, rotobackup instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=850359&highlight=rotobackup
Links to Open Source archives http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844981
Good instructions on building cifs module http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9470152&postcount=53
Also can be used to build tun.ko module for VPN.
I would recommend having tags for the different models of tablets. ( [VZW] [TMO] [AT&T] [SPNT] [EURO] etc...)
Just my .02
We really need to have them separated... This is getting bad. Take a vote and and promise everyone would be on board!!
Galaxy Tab Android Development (CDMA)
Galaxy Tab Android Development (GSM)
Galaxy Tab Android Development (...)
Please!!! lol
I agree that the Tab development needs to be split amongst compatibility.
GSM/EUR
CDMA
etc.
That will make the issues with possible flashing mistakes lower and also enable people to find the best build for them.
A third vote for at least something like a top level and sub forums for GSM and CDMA. There might be things that apply to both, but it seems like real development would be at least specific to one or the other, if not down to the carrier level (and I'm not suggesting per carrier forums).
A sticky for my directory(bible). This will be updated frequently. And will be useful for all noobs and pros alike.
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What happened to this idea? The development forum is CRAP. I've spent the last three hours seaching for a stock ROM. Can we please, please get some mod action in here?
Sprint only section please! +100 to the splitting up compatible models.
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Sprint only section please! +100 to the splitting up compatible models.
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+1000000 more for spliting up!
I agree and count my vote, this forum should be easier to find and read the info im searching for it took me days to find a rom and another day to find out how to mod my device using google we should also hav more dev's more porting
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I agree and count my vote, this forum should be easier to find and read the info im searching for it took me days to find a rom and another day to find out how to mod my device using google we should also hav more dev's more porting
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What we really need is a bigger community. The larger the user base, the larger the dev base. Especially in the states, it seems like no one is developing for our Tabs specifically. And from what I've found, ours are, just like the Galaxy S, different from the international version.
So do we even have a Mod ? Can they do this for us ? Its been like weeks since we asked to split it up.....
+1beeeeeeelion to split and have a CMDA and GSM and Intl section added....and then under those when people list just say [Sprint] or [VZW] in the title of the thread....
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So do we even have a Mod ? Can they do this for us ? Its been like weeks since we asked to split it up.....
+1beeeeeeelion to split and have a CMDA and GSM and Intl section added....and then under those when people list just say [Sprint] or [VZW] in the title of the thread....
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Your official mod is taking a break, just busy with life lately. I'll be taking over until he comes back.
I've forwarded this thread on to the admins, being that after being here for 2 days I can already see how bad it is. Hopefully we can get the sections split up and I can start moving posts around.
Can we please also have teh same tagging as HD2 section has, ie the date at beginning of title..
example...
[19.MAR.2011][ROM] Rom Title Rom Version [KERNEL]
is it possible to get this "stickie" out of the developers section?
it would be more helpfull to get serious content into there. also the actual official thread is sticky and dead.
a sticky should be something important or something must read. this thread is not a "must read"
sorry, constructive critics
I agree we need some reorg. PLEASE look at my sig, and follow the HD2 url,
Seems the HD2 overall section has recently had a makeover. It is much easier to navigate, and the people whe are not devs can op in on the thread.
The devs, on the other hand, have their own section, that requires you be a dev in order to get into it and exchange ideas. This keeps the riff raff from convelouting the threads.
So, can you please look it over. What ever work is needed to be done, I will offer my assistance to reorg the threads and topics.
Thanks
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I agree we need some reorg. PLEASE look at my sig, and follow the HD2 url,
Seems the HD2 overall section has recently had a makeover. It is much easier to navigate, and the people whe are not devs can op in on the thread.
The devs, on the other hand, have their own section, that requires you be a dev in order to get into it and exchange ideas. This keeps the riff raff from convelouting the threads.
So, can you please look it over. What ever work is needed to be done, I will offer my assistance to reorg the threads and topics.
Thanks
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I just looked at HD2 section, and theres nothing new there.
They have a section for NAND dev, and for SD Dev, thats it.
There are some plans in the works for the site in general that may do what you're referring to, but nothing is done yet for any of the fora.
If they give you guys the new sections, It will take me a day or so to move everything around. And I dont know tis section as well as I'd like so it may take a little longer as I'd have to go through every thread, but it would get done.
/IF/ that happens, it should clean up the sections a lot and make it easier to find everything. If not, I'm open to suggestions.
not trying to be mean or anything and probly will get bashed, but I had a thought about how to organize the forums so the questons asked would get an answer faster and with more accurate information.
what if we were to have a question and answer part in each of the roms instead of asking in the genereal q and a
you know sort of like each dev would be able to see all the problems that their rom is currently having.
and it would also help the people running those roms see all the current questions.
we should also have a section for the people who are on stock roms unrooted
I personally think it would help in diagnosing issues if they arrise.
I agree on a rom q and a but inside the development thread. Have rom thread ie bonsai and then a bonsai q and a thread with the most repeated q and a's on the op. This is more work for the devs and entirely up to them. It will help out in organization instead of cluttering a development thread with the same question. have the main thread for dl link, changelog, install instructions, possibly bug reports (some have a dedicated page for this) and that's it.
Edit: and most importantly feedback.
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To do that, it would need to be reorganized such that roms would each get their own subforum. Then, they could have a "get the new version here" thread, a "general info" thread, and then all the random individual threads. If you have seen how mod forums are organized at civfanatics, you know what I'm talking about.
Lately, I've been thinking we need a "Guides and FAQs" section. Make everyone post guides being worked on in a "works in progress" subforum and then a mod can move completed guides to the main forum. We might be able to get a nice little knowledge base here if a few people wanted to chip in and write out a lot of what we have learned.
DiGi760 said:
and then a mod can move completed guides to the main forum.
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srsly? we cant even get the one overworked mod to move much around as it is.
Which is why I haven't previously suggested the idea.
But, seriously, we need a couple more good mods who want to help build a community here. I know how tough it is. I've been around a lot of forums, both good and bad. It can be hard to find people who are both willing to do the job and mature enough to do it well.
This is not a question about the device but this device page in general.
Does this device page get split up in sections like 8 pro and the others devices?
Like:
Accessories
Cross-device stuff
Themes apps and mods
Rom, kernal
And etc.
So its not all mixed up
I know you Can select the prefix you want but I personally think the style from the others devices is better.
Yes, just differently with the new XDA forum software. It's sections are at the top...
Quick Filters:
General Question How To Guide Development Themes / Apps / Mods Accessories
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Yes, just differently with the new XDA forum software. It's sections are at the top...
Quick Filters:
General Question How To Guide Development Themes / Apps / Mods Accessories
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Yeah Okay, what about Roms and kernals i dont see Them in that section
I don't see them either... maybe no development here yet.
XxSUPRAxX said:
Yeah Okay, what about Roms and kernals i dont see Them in that section
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I don't see them either... maybe no development here yet.
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There is a "Development" tag that would be used for ROMs, kernels, etc.