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Welll, having used my O2 Orbit to take some pictures outside recently (for the first time) I can only say I am disappointed with the results. Every photo appears to be blurred and out of focus around the outer edge of the photo. Is this the best I can expect of the built in camera? Or am I driving it wrongly? As far as I know, the settings are default and I am set for the best resolution. Is this how they are, or do I have a faulty one?
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot.
Tony
The cameras on the Artemis are not brilliant, they should look ok on the phone, but on a PC they do usually end up blurry.
I'd say that it is normal, but you could play around with the settings to see if u can get a better pic. Sometimes the Multi-Shot setting is good for getting a non-blury picture, but it means you have to go through them all and choose the best one lol.
i have the same experience as u. i've been very dissapointed with the quallity of photos, even my 2 years old N6230i can make much more better pictures then this and after 5 months of using ORBIT i didn't find the way how to increase the quality. good luck
the only time i've had half decent photos, are in the middle of the day, outside, with the sun out (behind you) lol. The camera doesnt seem to like un-natural light (strip lights paticularly). Changing the settings only usually seems to change the Hue lol.
Its a mobile phone, not a digital camera.
People think that the megapixels mean its going to compare to a real camera but nothing could be further from the truth. The megapixles basically mean how big the image is. The quality is still down to the cmos sensor, lens type (in this case crappy plastic). Focus ability etc.
The artemis is a phone/PDA, not a camera. Infact no phone is a camera, they all have flaws.
Yep, not the best camera in my experience...
I assumed that like other phones you could still take pics at 2MP in L (640x480) to keep the file size down and still get a reasonable photo. Alas, the L (640x480) picture quality is so much poorer vs. the 2MP (1600x1200) so I'm guessing to get the best out your camera you need the 2MP mode in Super Fine.
I knew I was losing camera quality upgrading to the Orbit, but my decision was a calculated one. Yes, it's a shame the camera isn't the best, but I've gained so much more (that sounds so cheesy ).
is there any way to tweak the photo quality? i think there is too much compression by default. i take photos using 6mp widescreen mode.
Yeah it's a known problem, i made a test i took the same picture with 6M on, and another with 2M, the quality is almost the same. Hope they will fix the problem with the update soon
if i don't root, are there any marketplace cameras (free or paid) that will let me take pictures and I can set the jpeg compression level?
Even if it's rooted, I haven't come across a method/app where you could change the compression ratio. I hope I was wrong.
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Also looking for a way to take better advantage of the camera on this phone. the quality is terrible due to compress
Any Update to this?
Really annoying bug.
I don't sure that the real problem is jpeg compression, it's too high but in macro shots the image are very detailed and beautiful at 100% crop. In the photos taken with infinite focus (landascape for example) they are very orrible at 100% crop. Is possible that the problem is the too long esposure time?
I compared the exposure time of the arc's and a digital camera's photos. Taken the same object with the same conditions etc, the exposure time of the camera's photos are much lower than arc's photos.
What do you think about?
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I compared the exposure time of the arc's and a digital camera's photos. Taken the same object with the same conditions etc, the exposure time of the camera's photos are much lower than arc's photos.
What do you think about?
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In any phone camera you have a much smaller lens aperture and a smaller sensor size than in even the cheapest and nastiest of dedicated digital cameras.
Thus to get the same image brightness in the same conditions you will either have to amplify the signal (which will increase noise) or have a longer exposure time. Ye cannae break the laws of physics, captain.
Having said that, i couldn't say whether the long exposure time is the cause of the issue or not.
As far as I read, Camera Advance (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mnapps.cameraadvance&feature=search_result) is able to control compression. JPGs on the Neo are now more than twice as big and don't suffer as badly from compression.
Haven't checked the compression, but I do have raw picture and video samples from the latest 4.0.A.2.368 build.
I think I figured out why the camera quality isn't as good as it should be. It isn't the sensor, its the processing the software is doing, or lack or processing I should say. I think the reason the camera has such a fast shutter is because the pictures are not being processed almost at all. If you take a picture and you go in the built in editing and change some values, the pictures come out very clear and good. I think the camera quality can definately be much much better with some software tweaks but we might lose some of that fast shutter speed
Good observation.
I'm not sure if people are are doing this or not. But you also should be pressing the button and hold until the reticle turns green so it focuses, then let go. Otherwise you get pictures out of focus. If you want to take superfast pics, you don't need to do that, but you risk getting blurry photos.
Ya tapping to focus or holding the shutter definately produces better shots but they are still very washed outa
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I think I figured out why the camera quality isn't as good as it should be. It isn't the sensor, its the processing the software is doing, or lack or processing I should say. I think the reason the camera has such a fast shutter is because the pictures are not being processed almost at all. If you take a picture and you go in the built in editing and change some values, the pictures come out very clear and good. I think the camera quality can definately be much much better with some software tweaks but we might lose some of that fast shutter speed
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DSLRs don't do any processing at all. You can take pictures as fast as the memory card can save them. You couldn't take instant pictures on phones earlier because the camera controller physically could not transfer the data from all the cells in such a short time. Pixel data had to be saved to a slow buffer and then saved to memory - very slow process. It's not like there was any processing going on in the background - there wasn't
Ya but dslr's are a little different considering the sensor and lenses are 50x bigger, smart phones rely on image processing to make good pictures
Hi everyone
I have a request if someone could help me out?
The shutter speed of the One X is 1/2500th of a second; This is really fast, or maybe too fast? Extremely high shutter speeds can negatively impact image quality and decrease the Signal to Noise raito in a picture since it will come out darker. I was wondering if anyone knows a way of decreasing the shutter time to perhaps 1/500th of a second? I'm fairly confident it would get rid of the noise in our One X pictures that remains there even when the ISO is set to 100 and the picture is taken in fairly good lighting. Thank you
The noise is just compression from the stock camera app, try LG camera, has a much better quality and detail to the picture.
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Hi everyone
I have a request if someone could help me out?
The shutter speed of the One X is 1/2500th of a second; This is really fast, or maybe too fast? Extremely high shutter speeds can negatively impact image quality and decrease the Signal to Noise raito in a picture since it will come out darker. I was wondering if anyone knows a way of decreasing the shutter time to perhaps 1/500th of a second? I'm fairly confident it would get rid of the noise in our One X pictures that remains there even when the ISO is set to 100 and the picture is taken in fairly good lighting. Thank you
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interesting point. From my understanding, it is a problem of the very aggressive compression as stated by the fellow above.
Whatever happened to that camera mod that fixed the compression in the camera pictures?
Has anyone ever reviewed or compared the modded camera with the original and the competition(sgs3 and iphone)? I think it would finally do justice to the hox's camera
when you say LG camera do you mean this one? (https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EwMiwicnViYmVyYmlncGVwcGVyLmxnQ2FtZXJhUHJvIl0.)
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when you say LG camera do you mean this one? (https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EwMiwicnViYmVyYmlncGVwcGVyLmxnQ2FtZXJhUHJvIl0.)
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Yeah there's a free version as well so you can try it out first
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Elemental_Fire said:
Hi everyone
I have a request if someone could help me out?
The shutter speed of the One X is 1/2500th of a second; This is really fast, or maybe too fast? Extremely high shutter speeds can negatively impact image quality and decrease the Signal to Noise raito in a picture since it will come out darker. I was wondering if anyone knows a way of decreasing the shutter time to perhaps 1/500th of a second? I'm fairly confident it would get rid of the noise in our One X pictures that remains there even when the ISO is set to 100 and the picture is taken in fairly good lighting. Thank you
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The shutter speed is NOT fixed on the One X (check the EXIF Data on your photos) and if it was, it certainly wouldn't be 1/2500th... 1/20th of a second would be more realistic.
The shutter speed itself has NO impact on signal to noise ratio. However, an indirect result of a fast shutter is that the 'gain' on the CCD is increased (commonly defined as ISO speed). The greater the gain, the more sensitive the CCD becomes, and thus increases in noise. This is why night time pictures are far noisier than bright daylight ones. ALL of this assumes a fixed aperture lens (which most camera phones are).
The real noise issue is twofold...
1) The lens is small, and although it's F/2. that's F/2 of a lousy size lens.... in essence, it's too small to capture enough light to be a decent camera. This then results in the gain of the CCD being very high and producing noise (a bit like the buzz/hiss of an amplifier turned up to max).
2) The compression using in HTC's JPG storage is quite aggressive, resulting in JPEG noise/artefacts. Whilst not noise from the camera per se, it just makes the images even worse.
ALL digital cameras suffer from noise, but the professional cameras have far better noise reduction, massive CCD's and dedication image processing DSP's that simply leave a humble One-X in its wake. The long and short of this is:
Camera phones for genuine photography are a very bad idea, and until there's some amazing technological breakthrough people are deluding themselves about the quality of image that can be obtained from them. That's not to say you can't get great photos, you can, but the image quality simply isn't there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1765416&highlight=camera+mod
That fixes the JPEG compression issue, but video recording is still not a perfect 30 fps. Frames are dropped at a rate of about one a second, but it's still a huge improvement over stock.
I think it is possible to set shutter speed of the camera module, but HTC seems to have prioritized sharper shots at the expense of higher sensor noise. It is a reasonable compromise for these situations as it is not easy to hold a phone still for long periods of time. Perhaps HDR mode might be able to help, but that is only for still shots.
There is hardly any or no difference between LgCamera (or any of the camera apps) and the stock app, videos are smoother but pictures are very much the same.
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There is hardly any or no difference between LgCamera (or any of the camera apps) and the stock app, videos are smoother but pictures are very much the same.
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There is, did you change the settings? If you have put them on max quality, then compare pics on a big screen, zoom in on the different areas and you will really notice the improvements especially on the little details of objects
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lawrence750 said:
There is, did you change the settings? If you have put them on max quality, then compare pics on a big screen, zoom in on the different areas and you will really notice the improvements especially on the little details of objects
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Yep ive changed settings and took many pictures, they all turn out pretty much the same apart from certain focus differences.
Lgcamera and other programs have the same problem. The image appears really "grainy". It's not digital compression but rather the photos turning out like that. This in turn affects image quality. Even images taken in daylight are grainy; take a picture of the sky and you'll see what I mean. Zoom in a little and you see it. My Sensation XE had a better camera than my One X, mainly as the noise was practically non-existant and images came out very detailed. It seems BSI sensors perhaps generate more noise? Or it could be that heat can result in increased digital noise; ISO increasing results in more current to the sensor to pick up more light but the heat generated as a result produces noise. Since the One X heats up around the Camera area, it could be possible that the Tegra 3 chips are located there, providing constant heat that also unintentionally hesting up the sensor and resulting in increased noise levels in images?
If either if you are rooted, you should really install the HQ Camera mod. It modifies the settings of the stock app, and you can easily get 4MB pics with really good sharpness and colour. High ISO noise is less too. Really works wonders, and I'm really really really picky about my photos (retired portrait photographer)
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
mufaa said:
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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I haven't tried it on my G4. But on other digital cameras, I have seen the displayed preview screen image get jerky in low-light when aiming the camera around.
My theory is that, to make the image bright enough, the camera needs to take a longer preview exposure. Capturing the image for the preview screen works the same way as taking an actual picture, of course. In bright light, maybe the sensor takes a 1/500 second exposure to generate the preview. But in low light, maybe it needs a 1/5 second exposure to make the preview image bright enough to be useful on the sccreen. So now it can only take a max of 5 preview images per second, and the screen will look jerky.
The muddy details, and looking like an oil painting, are at least in part due to the image sensor's ISO value being turned way up, due to the low-light conditions. Some of it may be due to the JPG compression settings, and perhaps noise-reduction. Pictures taken with the flash should help with this, as you're providing more light, and therefore the camera can use a lower ISO value, for better image quality.
You could try taking the same picture in Auto, then in Manual mode. Turn the ISO value down in Manual mode (to maybe 200, 400, something like that), and slow the shutter speed as needed for a proper exposure. In the Gallery, you can check the Details for the picture taken in Auto, to check the ISO value that the camera used. Use a lower ISO value for the Manual mode picture, and see if the results look better. Doing this with the flash turned off should help make the difference more apparent.
You can also capture JPG + RAW in Manual mode. The RAW files do not exhibit JPG compression, or other processing, they are straight from the image sensor. So you may get less muddiness and oil-painting effect.
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mufaa, can you post any example indoor pics you've taken? That might help provide some context for what you're seeing.
What are your requirements for the picture?
Do you have a moving subject that demands a fast shutter, or can you afford to use a slower shutter speed?
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mufaa, can you post any example indoor pics you've taken? That might help provide some context for what you're seeing.
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Well, here's one for starters. This is the only non-personal image I can share at the moment (I am at work!) but if it's not enough I will snap one tonight and post it for you.
http://i.imgur.com/5mpaT2h.jpg
Zoom into the picture and you will find details buried in blurry oil painting like smudges. This happens in bright pictures as well. Is this how the sensor on the camera is?
KingFatty said:
What are your requirements for the picture?
Do you have a moving subject that demands a fast shutter, or can you afford to use a slower shutter speed?
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I usually shoot with subjects (my family, nephew, etc.) and I need the viewfinder to be fast. Because the viewfinder is so slow, subjects come out blurry even with the slighest movement. I also have to have a super steady hand.
This wasn't the case with the iPhone 6 i had. I just turned on the camera and snapped away.
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Reboot or try force stop on the camera app. I've had mine get like this occasionally but force closing the app or rebooting fixed it when I opened it again.
If that doesn't do it, you could have a bad camera. There were some people complaining about camera problems in early June.
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Oh boy. I will try that. I have rebooted my device multiple times and the result has been the same though.
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somebodyyy doesn't know how to use manual mode for iso
iiEatTurdz said:
somebodyyy doesn't know how to use manual mode for iso
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Any tips?
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Maybe try clearing the cache and data on the camera app. Also, check that the laser window next to the camera lens is clean and unobstructed. Most of my pictures, even in lower light are very sharp when zoomed in.
Gotta be a bad camera or focusing laser.
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Can you share some low light/indoor pictures of yours, and what settings you used to take those pics with?
That sample pic does not appear to have the EXIF data where we could check the ISO and shutter speed etc. that you used, can you check on your camera or source image what the settings were?
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mufaa said:
I usually shoot with subjects (my family, nephew, etc.) and I need the viewfinder to be fast. Because the viewfinder is so slow, subjects come out blurry even with the slighest movement. I also have to have a super steady hand.
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The sample picture looks fairly normal to me. That is, it looks like ones I've taken on my G4. I believe the effect you're seeing is partially noise-reduction done by the camera processing, but I'm not 100% sure. A high ISO value will also contribute.
Now I'm wondering if maybe I misinterpreted what you meant in your original post. When you say the viewfinder is slow, do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? Or that the pictures themselves come out blurry?
With only so much light available, the camera typically needs to use a longer exposure to get a bright-enough picture. A steady hand helps, as does OIS, Optical Image Stabilization. But neither of those can help if your *subject* is moving, of course.
You have 2 choices to make a moving subject sharper in low-light:
- Add more light. Use the flash if you aren't already, assuming the subject is within reach of the flash (probably around 10 feet, max). This will change the look of the picture, making it look more "harsh", but the added light should improve the image quality. With more light, the camera can use a quicker shutter speed.
- Raise the sensor's sensitivity, by using a higher ISO value. Effectively turning up the amplification, and allowing a quicker shutter speed. But as most of us have experienced, when you turn up a weak/noisy signal (car radio, etc), you observe more of the low-level background. Static, hiss, and so on. In a picture, this shows up as "noise" in the details of the image, and will typically result in pictures with more of the oil-painting look.
The lens on the G4 is f1.8, and should let in more light than the iPhone 6, at f2.2. It's certainly possible the iPhone does better noise reduction, or things along those lines. I'm not saying the G4's camera is perfect. But it shouldn't be woefully worse in low-light, anyways.
To get a comparison of how ISO affects things, try taking the same, stationary-subject picture, at maybe ISO 200, ISO 800, and ISO 2000. Then zoom in and look at the details of each picture. BTW, every camera will exhibit this behavior.
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Any tips?
Can you share some low light/indoor pictures of yours, and what settings you used to take those pics with?
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it has nothing to do with the cache and stuff lol they sound stupid. just play with the settings. i typically use my outdoor iso from 100-500 depending on what kind of lighting or colors are present. for indoors i set it 500+. just don't go within the thousands if there's no vivid colors or bright lights. try like 500-800 for the iso and 1-1/8 for the shutter.
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The sample picture looks fairly normal to me. That is, it looks like ones I've taken on my G4. I believe the effect you're seeing is partially noise-reduction done by the camera processing, but I'm not 100% sure. A high ISO value will also contribute.
Now I'm wondering if maybe I misinterpreted what you meant in your original post. When you say the viewfinder is slow, do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? Or that the pictures themselves come out blurry?
With only so much light available, the camera typically needs to use a longer exposure to get a bright-enough picture. A steady hand helps, as does OIS, Optical Image Stabilization. But neither of those can help if your *subject* is moving, of course.
You have 2 choices to make a moving subject sharper in low-light:
- Add more light. Use the flash if you aren't already, assuming the subject is within reach of the flash (probably around 10 feet, max). This will change the look of the picture, making it look more "harsh", but the added light should improve the image quality. With more light, the camera can use a quicker shutter speed.
- Raise the sensor's sensitivity, by using a higher ISO value. Effectively turning up the amplification, and allowing a quicker shutter speed. But as most of us have experienced, when you turn up a weak/noisy signal (car radio, etc), you observe more of the low-level background. Static, hiss, and so on. In a picture, this shows up as "noise" in the details of the image, and will typically result in pictures with more of the oil-painting look.
The lens on the G4 is f1.8, and should let in more light than the iPhone 6, at f2.2. It's certainly possible the iPhone does better noise reduction, or things along those lines. I'm not saying the G4's camera is perfect. But it shouldn't be woefully worse in low-light, anyways.
To get a comparison of how ISO affects things, try taking the same, stationary-subject picture, at maybe ISO 200, ISO 800, and ISO 2000. Then zoom in and look at the details of each picture. BTW, every camera will exhibit this behavior.
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"do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? "
Yup. I hate the jerkiness but I guess there's no way to work around that other than decreasing shutter speed and increasing ISO which results in super grainy pics.
I will try the flash light and see if its any better. Usually, I dislike using flash in normally lit indoor places. It doesn't feel natural.
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it has nothing to do with the cache and stuff lol they sound stupid. just play with the settings. i typically use my outdoor iso from 100-500 depending on what kind of lighting or colors are present. for indoors i set it 500+. just don't go within the thousands if there's no vivid colors or bright lights. try like 500-800 for the iso and 1-1/8 for the shutter.
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Yeah, it has nothing to do with the cache. I will try those settings. Thanks!
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Just run into this older post.
My two cents: to avoid high iso muddiness in indoor lower light portraits, you should turn on the flash (or better, use an external led panel to create off camera light)
Indeed flash photos are unappealing, but you can improve them with Snapseed's selective editing, by lowering exposure and warming temperature on your subject faces.
You could also selectively increase exposure on one side to create a less flat picture.
mufaa said:
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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I am a photographer and am trying to change over to the new mobile camera trend that started years ago but I do know that with LG, since my friend has one, doesn't have a good sense of lighting, period. I am not trying to put down your device, I do not think you need a new one. A good artist can make art from anything and everything to their best of the ability with what they have. I think you should start trying to do things like opening blinds to a window, putting white sheets of paper around or maybe some gray or black sheets of paper to balance your lighting. Is it at all possible for you to share a visual load of what you're doing with the community? I think it would be valuable to have multiple sets of eyes and have many different minds working with you to solve your problem.