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Pentile for the anally observant / S-LCD

Hi, I really want to buy a Desire but when I tried it in a store I could easily notice the fuziness caused by the Pentile subpixel layout. This was on white text on a medium coloured background - I've read it's worst on black/white. I also looked at the Galaxy S and the fuzziness was much less noticable - I just hate the look and feel of that phone.
The problem is I have a pretty low tolerance to small details like that and pretty good eyesight, so I was wondering if anyone here is as anal about visual flaws as me but happily lives with the Desire's screen? I want my next phone purchace to last a couple of years at least...
I also thought it might be nice to wait and see if HTC release a Desire with a S-LCD screen - sharpness wins over deep blacks for me considering the other potential flaws with the AMOLED screens. Any thoughts?
(If the Wildfire had either an AMOLED RGB screen or a higher resolution LCD then I'd just settle for that - it looks sexy enough to live with the lack of power.)

any thoughts? eh, sure. I don't see the the "potential flaws" of AMOLED screens at all. Sure a true LCD display will have sharper definition for black on white text, but I hardly would clal my Desire screen blurred or fuzzy. I think its fine. I do a lot of reading on the net too and its absolutely fine, but you are right an LCD like iPhone is sharper for text.
I prefer the colours and the perfect blacks myself. Makes using the phone for watching movies etc a pleasure. If you use it just for very small text though, get something else. If your as picky as you seem, you will definitely have problems with this one with its amoled screen. I won't even mention the over saturated colours or the pink hue when viewing grays. You won't like that either.

i compared the screen on my desire to my friends new iphone 4 and honestly i could only tell the difference when i got so close it was physically hurting my eyes to focus on it, i really think that the screen on the desire is top and i dont seem to have much trouble with it in the daylight either for some reason

By potential flaws I meant the uneven & relatively fast fading and the burn in that some people are reporting.
I looked for the pink hue in the shop but couldn't notice it. Isn't that a hit or miss thing?
OLED is a major selling point for me. But then is resolution (<3 my x50v)
Anyone think the Desire with an S-LCD would be a big improvement?
Yeah, daylight didn't seem to be an issue at all, compared to other devices I've used over the years.
I definitely see a huge difference between Desire and iPhone 4 though. Desire is actually about on par with the previous iPhones in terms of actual blurryness, but the fact the pattern is staggered makes it more noticeable.

Schmeggma said:
I looked for the pink hue in the shop but couldn't notice it. Isn't that a hit or miss thing?
Anyone think the Desire with an S-LCD would be a big improvement?
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No the pink hue effects all AMOLED screens when displaying certain gray shades. I suggest you read the sticky post all about the AMOLED Pentile display and how it works.
Is the Desire available with S-LCD? If not, whats the point? Just get yourself a phone with LCD and be happy. The power drain on a desire with LCD would be significantly increased too. Sure AMOLED uses more on a 100% white screen, but it use much less on darker themed screens or coloured screens.

I've read the sticky and think I have a good grasp of the issue, but I've seen reports from people saying the pinkness varies.

I also have 20/20 vision and this screen is fine, the only times I'm disappointed is while text is scrolling there is a visable wave in the letters and outdoor in direct sunlight you need to find the good angle to read.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I used to be very anal about my phone. And of course you might be different but for me trying to choose the perfect one / making the perfect one ever more perfect just does not work. Huge effort, lots of frustration, little or no results and even the ones you get are brief. That's the problem with this attitude - you'll just always find another flaw to frown upon.
What worked for me was taking positive action rather than getting rid of all the faults. I implemented Allen's GTD system and I'm using my phone as a collection/organisation tool. Works great and now my phone is a very useful tool instead of being just a gadget. Flaws don't matter anymore. And with GTD I can be as anal as I only wish and still happy
BTW totally agree on Galaxy S. It's so much better phone than Desire but it's simply atrocious. Couldn't bear the thought of carrying something that makes me wanna puke for next 2/3 years.

mcgon1979 said:
No the pink hue effects all AMOLED screens when displaying certain gray shades. I suggest you read the sticky post all about the AMOLED Pentile display and how it works.
Is the Desire available with S-LCD? If not, whats the point? Just get yourself a phone with LCD and be happy. The power drain on a desire with LCD would be significantly increased too. Sure AMOLED uses more on a 100% white screen, but it use much less on darker themed screens or coloured screens.
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Pink hue is not AMOLED related since it shows also in software emulator (on PC) and varies among phones. Sticky post is wrong all around but arguments for that are buried too deep in long thread.
AS for OP, HTC announced LCD Desire, and I would like to see one. I can notice PenTile artifacts and don't like it (together with over saturated colors and pink hue), but phone is so good in other segments it is worth owning.

Lots of anal talk in this thread!
Seriously, I have never seen the pink everyone is talking about and I have had my phone since the middle of april. It's weird that some phones are affected and some are not.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Yeah sure the screen has some negatives about it but when compared side to side to my old iPhone's screen its blows the iPhone out of the water. I prefer AMOLED because I can turn it up full brightness and not be blinded by an annoying backlight that make sthe phone more suitable as a flashlight than a screen.

I thought I replied earlier, but it seems Opera 10.60 is a little glitchy with the forum (and in general...)
Anyway, thanks for all the replies guys. On the way home I had a look at the Desire again in another store and found the screen a lot more agreeable. I tried it sitting down, making me naturally hold it a couple of inches farther away, which makes a big difference. Plus I had more of an "how nice is this display?" attitude rather than "can I notice the flaw?"
So I came home and ordered one online. If the text bugs me that much, I can always stick to my Axim for ebooks.
edit: Still eager to see what S-LCD brings to the table, though.

Apparently, S-LCD does not stand for 'Super LCD', it is just a name of Samsung-Sony LCD factory.

Schmeggma said:
I thought I replied earlier, but it seems Opera 10.60 is a little glitchy with the forum (and in general...)
Anyway, thanks for all the replies guys. On the way home I had a look at the Desire again in another store and found the screen a lot more agreeable. I tried it sitting down, making me naturally hold it a couple of inches farther away, which makes a big difference. Plus I had more of an "how nice is this display?" attitude rather than "can I notice the flaw?
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Did you know that PenTile OLED was in tens of thousands of cell phones for over a year before anyone noticed that they were different? If one has to be told that they are different... well that tells me that they work as designed.
Full Disclosure: I'm one of the inventors of PenTile technology.
PenTile technology was actually designed with a specific minimum distance from which to view it. Bring it too close to one's eyes, one will see the pattern. Actually the same thing also happens with the legacy RGB Stripe matrix, but since one is used to seeing that pattern, one mentally filters it out. The same should happen with the PenTile screen, once one is used to seeing it, one no longer "sees" it, if you can pardon my circular explanation, but it's true. If you use the phone at a more comfortable distance, as opposed to as close to your eyes as you can get, the screen will appear as intended.

vlasac said:
Apparently, S-LCD does not stand for 'Super LCD', it is just a name of Samsung-Sony LCD factory.
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That makes me happy, if it's just another IPS or whatever then I know what to expect.
DisplayGeek said:
Did you know that PenTile OLED was in tens of thousands of cell phones for over a year before anyone noticed that they were different? If one has to be told that they are different... well that tells me that they work as designed.
Full Disclosure: I'm one of the inventors of PenTile technology.
PenTile technology was actually designed with a specific minimum distance from which to view it. Bring it too close to one's eyes, one will see the pattern. Actually the same thing also happens with the legacy RGB Stripe matrix, but since one is used to seeing that pattern, one mentally filters it out. The same should happen with the PenTile screen, once one is used to seeing it, one no longer "sees" it, if you can pardon my circular explanation, but it's true. If you use the phone at a more comfortable distance, as opposed to as close to your eyes as you can get, the screen will appear as intended.
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I definitely would have noticed it if I didn't know in advance. (I'm not trying to imply there's anything good about extreme pickiness - it's a compulsive disorder and a bloody nightmare.)
I appreciate the minimum distance thing, but obviously it varies with eyesight - hence the brief controversy over Apple's 'retina' claims. It's just going to require a slight adjustment to my habits while standing to compensate for this.
As for the RGB thing, I feel that's easier to mentally filter out because it's consistent vertically whereas Pentile alternates the relatively larger red/blue subpixels. I imagine this is why the effect was less noticeable on the Galaxy S's RGBW layout, despite the slightly lower DPI?

markuz85 said:
Lots of anal talk in this thread!
Seriously, I have never een the pink everyone is talking about and I have had my phone since the middle of april. It's weird that some phones are affectewd and some are not.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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So your saying the new forum theme doesn't look pink to you on your phone? All the grey bits around the forum are definitely pink in colour on mine. Maybe i have one of the affected phones.

vlasac said:
Pink hue is not AMOLED related since it shows also in software emulator (on PC) and varies among phones.
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Well then it can be fixed with firmware right.
markuz85 said:
Lots of anal talk in this thread!
Seriously, I have never seen the pink everyone is talking about and I have had my phone since the middle of april. It's weird that some phones are affected and some are not.
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you have not noticed the pink? well then you are not anal enough. try harder
DisplayGeek said:
Did you know that PenTile OLED was in tens of thousands of cell phones for over a year before anyone noticed that they were different?
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As above, I think this is subjective. Some people stare at their phones looking for dust, looking for a hint of pink, looking for a mark in the case, looking for... etc etc etc... If you want to treat it like that you will be a very miserable camper. It's a phone, it has an average lifespan of 2 years probably. Use it. It reminds of these people who own a beautiful Ferrari but on't drive it. just keep it in a garage and rub it with a cloth. whats the point?
I think the only thing thats variable on the pink hue thing is the persons opinion of how pink it is. not noticeable or noticeable. some people will say its not there, some people will say it sso pink they cannot even see any other colours.
I had my eyes colour calibrated in a 16 hour operation at an optical lab in switzerland 4 weeks ago, they now recognise 400 shades of pink and have 20/20 vision, so I KNOW my phone has pink. etc etc LOL

FSake said:
So your saying the new forum theme doesn't look pink to you on your phone? All the grey bits around the forum are definitely pink in colour on mine. Maybe i have one of the affected phones.
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The forum doesn't look at all pink on my phone, I've never seen this issue either.

mcgon1979 said:
people who own a beautiful Ferrari but on't drive it. just keep it in a garage and rub it with a cloth. whats the point?
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Rubbing certain things can be very, um, therapeutic...

DisplayGeek said:
Full Disclosure: I'm one of the inventors of PenTile technology.
PenTile technology was actually designed with a specific minimum distance from which to view it. Bring it too close to one's eyes, one will see the pattern. Actually the same thing also happens with the legacy RGB Stripe matrix, but since one is used to seeing that pattern, one mentally filters it out. The same should happen with the PenTile screen, once one is used to seeing it, one no longer "sees" it, if you can pardon my circular explanation, but it's true. If you use the phone at a more comfortable distance, as opposed to as close to your eyes as you can get, the screen will appear as intended.
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Sorry, but all your arguments don't add up. On LCD screens i have perfectly straight horizontal and vertical lines, there is no need to filter out anything.
On PenTile displays i dont have straight lines because of the pattern that is used. THAT is the problem. Lines look like zigzag-lines not straight ones. And no i'm not looking at my phone from 1 cm distance, i'm looking at it from a normal distance and i can see the pentile effect on my Nexus One. I also had a Motorola Milestone which comes with an LCD that surpasses any AMOLED PenTile screen quality regarding resolution. (while both claim to have wvga)
There is a very easy test for this. Take a Motorola Droid and a Nexus One. Place them side by side and open a webpage on full zoomed out view. You will see the difference in resolution quality VERY clearly. Anybody who claims that there is no difference is lying. You can't just imply that the eye can't see an difference because there are many people out there with normal eyesight (i'm not talking about eagle eyes here) which see the pentile pattern too clearly.
The whole topic is quite frustrating because when buying a nexus one you make one step forward (generall hardware) and two steps back (pentile).

*SLCD or AMOLED*

As you all know, the new batch of Desire for Telus will come with SLCD.
androidpolice.com/2010/07/15/htc-desire-headed-to-canada-on-telus
I'm not from Canada so just wondering should I wait for SLCD to available worldwide or just grab the current AMOLED.
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks

kelvintan said:
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
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I think it comes down to personal preference. I kind of like the AMOLED screen, and mine has a very soft neuance of a pinkish hue. But nothing that is annoying or anything. The SLCD is as you know the secondary preference of HTC, but it seems to be as good as the first choice..

I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one

Nit3m4re said:
I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
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Can't agree more. Haven't seen a SLCD live but I really like the shiny colors and this is enough reason for me to choose AMOLED over lcd I really don't care about the slight pink effect and anyway it's almost gone in 2.2.
I'm really happy with my desire
Regards

If you don't notice anything wrong with the screen on a Desire with amoled screen then don't bother with the canadian version.
Some people are just more geeky and uptight about these things.
Personally the oversaturated colors was the first thing I noticed when I saw the phone in a shop without having read about the issue on the internet.
Amoled: The colors is punchier and fuller, the blacks will be deeper.
This sounds really good and most people dont find the oled on the desire bad
at all. Because of the type of amoled they used on the desire the screen wont
seem as sharp as a hvga screen should be. If you want to see amoled screen
done right, check out the samsung omnia hd, just perfect.
Lcd: The colors arent as full but after having had a tp2 for 6 months i think it looks really good anyway. Any lcd screen with hvga resolution will appear alot sharper than the one on the desire. Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire. Dont know if thats true that just the way it appears to me and what I prefer.
The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel. ips panels arent normally used on cell phones but alot of
graphics artists use them on lcd monitors when doing photo work.
I think theyre supposed to show colors more accuratley than
tn or pva panels.
I know the viewing angles on them are really good,
like 160 degrees. The downside has been that they don't have quite as
fast response time as tn or pva panels but it isnt a big deal if youre
not a twitch fps player.

Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.

abvmoose said:
Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire.
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel.
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Can you share a source of that info?

phentex said:
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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If you have two horses, one drinks 5 liters of water per day no matter what is doing, and other drinks 2 liters doing nothing and 10 if runs all day in full gallop, which one drinks more?
Consider you need additional 200 liters everyday to clean them and stables. Does it matter at all which one drinks more?

vlasac said:
It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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I don't think that the colors are deeper and the color spectrum or color space is the same thing, maybe im wrong. I found the colors the desire screen showed were deeper, by deeper i mean more intense and fuller, as one should expect from a oled display. To me, the colorspace didnt seem as wide as on my tp2's lcd screen. That's my personal impression of it. It could be because of the pinkish hue wish also might add to the oversaturation of some colors. I found the color red specially to be oversaturated wich gave me the impression of the colorspace not to be so wide.
It's true that Amoled can show more colors than lcd, at least when oled
is done right.
Can you share a source of that info?
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You know what, im not sure that I can. I was pretty sure that ive read somewhere that S-lcd is the buzzword for Samsung's and Sony's joint venture for creating newer generation lcd displays with ips panels.
But now that I look for it im not so sure. I was certain i read an post on Engadget where they clearly stated that it was ips panel but I cant find that now.
There is one source vaugley explaining it here:
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-for...ft-lcd-from-amoled-due-to-shortages-20100625/
But it says:
"But, the big question is: what is Super TFT LCD? Well, you’ve actually heard of it before, because it has a nickname that’s come up recently in the news (after the announcement of a certain tablet). Super TFT LCD’s nickname is IPS. Which, yes, became “famous” thanks to Apple’s iPad tablet. It provides a wide viewing angle, and provides very clear images — even if the colors aren’t as “distinguished” when compared to an AMOLED display."
But the source of those news is:
http://www.oled-display.net/the-sma...tc-must-switch-the-display-from-amoled-to-lcd
Wich really doesnt say anything about being an ips panel

If the SLCD is even vaguely readable in direct sunlight, go for it. Because the AMOLED isn't, I don't care what people claim.

If it's an IPS panel, the I'd be very tempted to give 'SLCD' a try.
But whenever I pick up another phone since getting my Desire I notice the muddy, bleeding blacks that OLED eliminates.

It's official now. Wondering any review which is better..

youtube.com/watch?v=gY6qpnoziZM

Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.

fadasma said:
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
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Sorry, but I don't think the AMOLED shortage had *anything* to do with Google shutting up shop on selling the Nexus One!
Regards,
Dave

tomek_fcb said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gY6qpnoziZM
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That video kinda makes me feel good about having an AMOLED screen.

There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.

janroar said:
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
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Patterned vertical alignment and super patterned vertical alignment (S-PVA) are alternative versions of MVA technology offered by Samsung's and Sony's joint venture S-LCD. Developed independently, they offer similar features to MVA, but with higher contrast ratios of up to 3000:1.....
PVA and S-PVA offer the best black depth of any LCD type along with wide viewing angles. S-PVA also offers fast response times using modern RTC technologies.
Source: Search Wikipedia for TFT LCD

I've had a new HTC Desire with S-LCD in my hand for a while, along with my old Amoled one.
It's surely a lot better than my old LCD (Touch HD).
What impressed me is the clarity of the display, the whites, the good contrast compared to old LCD and the fact that (I think) the phone is lighter.
Of course blacks and contrast are miles better on amoled.
But where it failed me, is better readability in direct sunlight. It's more or less the same as amoled, which is (for me) average. I can live with that, but I expected the S-LCD to compensate more for its shortcomings.
All in all, I feared worse, but I would take amoled any day.

according to my box, I have the amoled screen.
Must say I'm pleased with whatever it is !!

HTC to replace AMOLED with SLCD.

Just read this article on how HTC are planning to replace the beloved AMOLED screens with Super LCD screens later this summer, both on the Nexus One and HTC Desire...
http://www.talkandroid.com/7681-slcd-displays-added-to-htc-desire-nexus-one/
For us existing owners, fair or unfair?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

So people want an SLCD screen over an AMOLED? :S I thought AMOLED were superior, with better battery life and more vivid colours? And why do some people hate pentile screens so much. I've got a replacement HTC desire due - and I'm just hoping it's an AMOLED screen, rather than a SLCD... but from some of the comments I'm hearing, I should be hoping it's an SLCD?

“The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC’s current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance.”
Better battery life has been touted as one of the advantages of AMOLED, but HTC claims that the new SLCD screens have five times better power management than standard older LCD screens, nullifying AMOLEDs advantage in that regard. AMOLED also struggles in bright sunlight, so SLCD could win out there too. Finally, HTC also said that SLCD can now compete on viewing angles too, thanks to Sony’s “VSPEC III technology”.
An HTC spokesman told TrustedReviews that both variants will be on sale at the same time and that it believed that that most people will not be able to tell the difference between the two types of display. It is not clear at this stage how they will be differentiated in the market, if at all.
I want LCD

I would want the LCD screen too, just for the benefit of battery performance... wish we could send our devices back for this upgrade, should have been part of the warranty agreement!
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MasDroid said:
I would want the LCD screen too, just for the benefit of battery performance... wish we could send our devices back for this upgrade, should have been part of the warranty agreement!
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The "improved" battery performance is over traditional LCD displays - not the AMOLED display used in the Desire!
I'm almost positive that you'll find that the AMOLED display currently in the Desire is better than the SLCD that will replace it. IMHO, the *only* reason HTC are moving to SLCD is because Samsung cannot deliver the required AMOLED screens in sufficient quantities, and the rest of that press release is "spin" to make it sound like it is some sort of upgrade.
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Dave

@Dave Ah yes... i misread the above statement
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I think foxmeister is right... HTC had no choice but to make this change and so they're trying to convince us that it's in our best interest.
Whenever I use my iPod Touch I immediately notice the grey blacks and washed out colours... and that's a pretty well regarded LCD. The only comments I've read on the forum from people who've received replacement Desires with the new screen have been negative.
If my Desire breaks and they try and replace it with an SLCD model, I will not go down without a fight!

1.Still it is improvement.
Even now battery life nearly the same if you use light screen(dont like darkness).
2.No Pentile.
For me its a +.(just cant get used to it)
3.No pink screens. (for some, mine is very, very little noticeable.)
4.More realistic colors.

One thing I love about the OLED tech is the gorgeous perfect blacks. Current LCD technology by its nature can not top that.
On the other hand sunlight visibility is probably a more important issue
I wouldn't worry about color saturation fidelity : I think it is a non-issue, (as long as it's not awful) it's mainly a matter of preference on a handset (nobody will be doing color correction and/or color grading on a display smaller than 24" ).
The reason for the switch is rumored to be a shortage of AMOLED screens anyway.
When you switch from AMOLED to SLCD you lose the perfect blacks but possibly gain better sunlight visibility, and maybe gain/lose a bit more natural/muted colors.

Does someone know if they are going to correct the multitouch bug with this new screen?

If you read the PR blurb, it reads very much like HTC trying to convince people that the SLCD is "as good" as AMOLD rather than "better". If there was a genuine advantage, HTC would use this as a chance to sing its praises, so I suspect that the SLCD screen will likely be slightly inferior to our current AMOLD screens.
For anyone thinking of replacing their current desire with this new one, I'd advise waiting until someone properly reviews and tests the screen.

neoKushan said:
If you read the PR blurb, it reads very much like HTC trying to convince people that the SLCD is "as good" as AMOLD rather than "better". If there was a genuine advantage, HTC would use this as a chance to sing its praises, so I suspect that the SLCD screen will likely be slightly inferior to our current AMOLD screens.
For anyone thinking of replacing their current desire with this new one, I'd advise waiting until someone properly reviews and tests the screen.
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Nope. It was more HTC saying that they're very similar. They couldn't tout that one was better than the other due to commercial implications (e.g. old desire owners would be unhappy etc.). They couldn't say they were equal as they're different technologies. 'Comparible' keeps it PC and implies gains and losses, but overall similar.

There is an comparison
No text sharpness test

Agree with manni calavera, to my opinion the trade is going to be between the perfect black/vivid colours of amoled vs the better sunlight legibility of the SLCD. I don't expect a drastic change of the battery performance, only a few % up our down.
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This just looks like spin to make SLCDs appear technically as good when they are not. They'll have higher reflectance, max luminance and lower max white power but they can't outclass AMOLED in anything other. The colour reproduction will be dependent on MFG calibration/software.
1. Some other reports on the topic:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/201883/shortages_prompt_htc_to_swap_display_technologies.html
http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/mobiles/htc-dumps-amoled
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-confirms-slcd-rumours-claims-its-better-than-amoled/?mobify=0
Heh.
This was the original press release by HTC:
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology."
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2. See the technology advantages?
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf
http://www.datamodul.com/us/page/popup_pages/OLED/CMEL OLED power consumption and lifetime.pdf
Except for a full white screen or full blue, at max brightness, I highly doubt they are going to get anywhere near that low power with an LCD in the typical application with various colours or on your homescreens. Definitely not when playing a movie, a game or so on.
3. AMOLED is far more costly to manufacture and more costly to buy than LCD tech. Every major smartphone MFG (except Apple/Blackberry AFAIK) wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon if there weren't significant benefits to the technology over the older LCD tech as it was costing them more and introducing major delays to their roadmaps with the tight supply.
4. Samsung is the no.1 LCD/Tv/AMOLED maker in the world. At a very recent engineering conference, yet again, the paper they presented is eulogising AMOLED displays everywhere:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-...ec-anoints-AMOLED-displays-as-next-big-thing-
http://i.cmpnet.com/eetimes/51-1.pdf
5. Display tests done on Droid/Nexus One/iPhone 3GS screens revealed their combined power consumption somewhat.
http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm
The Droid had the best LCD display accuracy by far but compare the max RGB sub-pixel power draws... AMOLED is at least half if not lower. Those were "synthetic" tests. Had they ran a movie or displayed an image and measured power, you'd see the AMOLED at least 1/2 if not 1/3 to 1/4 of the power (unless it was full white or blue - no pun). "SLCD" isn't that much of an improvement to outclass those LCDs by 1.5x in power, let alone 5x.
6. Sonys VSPEC III LCD specs are here, and they're nothing special except the much improved viewing angle:
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol55/pdf/acx391akb.pdf
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i personally think AMOLED is poor, text look really had when they are not zoomed in. you can see each dots when you look at a website text or picture. Fine example would be the home screen. The icons look dotty like old skool dot matrix printer.
I'm comparing this to a Good LCD found in nokia n900 and iphone 4

Sebacestmoi said:
Does someone know if they are going to correct the multitouch bug with this new screen?
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I would also like to know this, Seen as HTC has ditched the synaptic clearpad 2000. New touch sensor aswell as screen? can anyone confirm?

i wouldn't do that if i were u

i wouldn't do that if i were you

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After market screens?

Anyone know if any company or companies plan to produce AMOLED, Super AMOLED, or Retina screens for the EVO?

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Anyone know if any company or companies plan to produce AMOLED, Super AMOLED, or Retina screens for the EVO?
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Calling it a Retina is like directly calling SJ and begging for a lawsuit
The pixel density is already really high on the Evo as it is. Sure, it could be pushed higher, but just like the iPhone4, outside of ~6" from your face, you won't be able to tell a difference.
Super AMOLED can't happen because Samsung has them only for their own private use for the next 18 months!. It's kinda ridiculous IMO, but whatevs. Plus they only make them in 4" ATM not 4.3"
AMOLED is also in short supply, plus, they're not made in 4.3" varieties either. At least not in the mass market. The cost for a 4.3" AMOLED would be ridiculously high anyway.
Sorry to burst your bubble
It'd be nice to have S-AMOLED but it just ain't happening...

Geniusdog254 said:
Calling it a Retina is like directly calling SJ and begging for a lawsuit
The pixel density is already really high on the Evo as it is. Sure, it could be pushed higher, but just like the iPhone4, outside of ~6" from your face, you won't be able to tell a difference.
Super AMOLED can't happen because Samsung has them only for their own private use for the next 18 months!. It's kinda ridiculous IMO, but whatevs. Plus they only make them in 4" ATM not 4.3"
AMOLED is also in short supply, plus, they're not made in 4.3" varieties either. At least not in the mass market. The cost for a 4.3" AMOLED would be ridiculously high anyway.
Sorry to burst your bubble
It'd be nice to have S-AMOLED but it just ain't happening...
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That sucks, hopefully HTC or some other company will produce some screens.

conflikt said:
That sucks, hopefully HTC or some other company will produce some screens.
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Why? What is your problem with the stock screen?

phobos512 said:
Why? What is your problem with the stock screen?
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Indeed. The stock screen is nice and strong.
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Nothing wrong with it, but as far as taking my phone outside in the sunlight I will admit i have a hard time seeing it at times. My vision is 20//40 so i have good eye sight. So to sum it up, id like to have a screen i can see in the sunlight, and better looking in general not saying that the EVO's screen sucks or anything.
I was also just curious if any company was producing screens as the EVO is very easy to dismember.

conflikt said:
Nothing wrong with it, but as far as taking my phone outside in the sunlight I will admit i have a hard time seeing it at times. My vision is 20//40 so i have good eye sight. So to sum it up, id like to have a screen i can see in the sunlight, and better looking in general not saying that the EVO's screen sucks or anything.
I was also just curious if any company was producing screens as the EVO is very easy to dismember.
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dont AMOLED suck in direct sunlight or am i mistaken?

C'mon PixelQi.
They aready offer 10" screen for you to replace your netbook ones with.
Basically, it looks like an LCD with the backlight turned on and works normally as such. However, when you turn off the backlight, you get a color e-paper-esque display that has no refresh rate issues whatsoever. It really is sthe best of both worlds and anoth major LCD maker has jumped at the technology.
Honestly though, I think that it would be great to have Super-LCD tech from Sony. The visibility is better than the AMOLED and Super-AMOLED in sunlight, color and contrast are the same, and the battery drain is actually lower. Did I mention that the price was cheaper as well?
To be perfectly honest, I have a Novatech screen version and I am just fine with that. I would love a small PixelQi screen, but that hasn't happened yet...

Anyone know were to purchase a replacement screen? Mine is cracked and now insurance. Sorry if it has been asked before. Thanks in advance.

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Anyone know were to purchase a replacement screen? Mine is cracked and now insurance. Sorry if it has been asked before. Thanks in advance.
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EBay for 100 bucks
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notown775 said:
dont AMOLED suck in direct sunlight or am i mistaken?
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AMOLED is horrible in direct sunlight. I had a Moment before my Evo and I couldn't see it outside for nothing. The Evo is practically fully lit in comparison.

True HD IPS is much sharper than HD Super AMOLED

I know the True HD IPS screen is better than the AMOLED but I didn't think it was that much sharper than the HD Super AMOLED on a borrowed Galaxy Nexus. It's almost like putting on glasses, very crisp detail. I'm guessing when there is a non pentile HD AMOLED the differences may be a lot smaller but against the pentile HD AMOLED the difference is huge. The only thing holding the Optimus LTE back against truly surpassing the Galaxy Nexus in just about every way is the lack of an official ICS rom but then there is always CM9 for those of us who know how to get it on the phone.
Could take some pictures for comparison if anyone is interested

Yup. 3 subpixel elements rendering out light using RGB + a decently wide gamut backlight, rather than educated guesswork (well, subpixel rendering) using only a combination of two subpixels per pixel (and still off color). Also, no uneven black screens. Minor nitpick, but has always annoyed me on all amoled displays (it really shows up a night).
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Also keep in mind that the G nexus has a slightly larger screen, therefore lower PPI.

There's no question about it. I also compared the Nexus vs. Nitro side by side, and the text on Nexus' screen is more like my old 3GS, but on Nitro it's much sharper. Oh, did I mention the over-saturated color?

What's funny to me is that the next great android super phone, the Galaxy S3 is STILL going to use a pentile AMOLED screen.

HTC did the right thing using the SUPERLCD in the one X imo

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What's funny to me is that the next great android super phone, the Galaxy S3 is STILL going to use a pentile AMOLED screen.
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Yeah that is disappointing. Those who say pentile isn't noticeable never used a high density IPS display; I could see what looks like a dithering pattern everywhere coming from the optimus true hd lte. I also don't like how AMOLED has these blotches everywhere when viewing the screen on low brightness.

I refuse to get anything less than our True HD IPS. Coming from an iPhone 4 to the Nitro, me eyes have been looking at retina quality screens for too long to go back to anything less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF-Z3_f3WCE
That's the difference I'm talking about

Another thing to point out (and maybe it's just me) the last phone I had was an infuse 4g and I noticed a burn in with the status bar, my brother's phone is the same which is a galaxy s. Both of them are amoled. Which I could notice while playing games on them.
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True I've already seen a few AMOLED displays with burn-in visible. I think LCD technology is also prone to some image persistence problems but not nearly as prone as AMOLED

Wow the youtube video really gets the point across. And I was already considering buying a Galaxy S3. I think we may be spoiled by our phones because there is a possibility LG may not continue to do the IPS displays. Also, the processor is a factor as well. I'm still on the fence between a 4X and GS3.

I've yet to experience the burn issues with OLED but I've never peaked out the brigtness settings for a prolonged period either which it strongly states can cause screen burn.. There is a divided group I've come to notice were some don't really get all that excited by the vibrant colors and outright detest the lack of viewabilty in open sunlight. I don't make any qualms against those and their reasons are valid. There are a lot of us however who are passionate about them for their stunning colors that captivate a photographers eye. I suppose it's an each their own issue but for anyone who is new with AMOLED, any prolonged brightness at the maxed settings on a fixed screen inevitably causes burn. I've personally never had any issues.

Biggest downside for me on p930 is the touch sensitivity. It's definitely noticeable compared to the skyrocket. It's especially pronounced on the screen edges. Otherwise, the form factor is better (thinner, textured back), the screen has a great feature where the glass curves over the edges of the bezel. Could be the reason the edges are less sensitive? I also prefer the three capacitive buttons vs. four. And as mentioned display quality is great: ppi, benefits of it's lcd vs amoled, etc. Show someone the videos included with the stock gingerbread wrong. It amazing.
Samsung said they are including the pentile again, because it lasts longer then the HD amoled display. Something else to consider.

Samsung said they are including the pentile again, because it lasts longer then the HD amoled display. Something else to consider.
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This sorta seems like a slap in the face to current Galaxy S2 owners doesn't it? "Hi, this is Samsung, your Galaxy S2 screen should be dying soon, perfect time to buy a new S3!"

gmkelly001 said:
This sorta seems like a slap in the face to current Galaxy S2 owners doesn't it? "Hi, this is Samsung, your Galaxy S2 screen should be dying soon, perfect time to buy a new S3!"
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Basically, it's Samsung admitting burn in IS an issue, even within the 2 year confines of many phone contracts (though some in Canada get 3 years!?).

In Canada you basically have to go 3 year contract or the subsidy isn't worth it and you might as well buy the phone outright
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Basically, it's Samsung admitting burn in IS an issue, even within the 2 year confines of many phone contracts (though some in Canada get 3 years!?).
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I think it's more likely that they can't make a profit if they included Super Amoled Hd + displays.

Thank you for your new reel

I returned my Galaxy nexus and bought a LG Nitro HD. The screen on the Nexus had way too many flaws to pass for a high end phone. The yellow tint, and the ghosting were unacceptable to me.