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[ThinkTank] Getting an AOSP Eclair build for Hero

We have had alot of activity over the last few days, what with the first 2.0 releases from the main players and now even some 2.1 builds. Which is excellent.
Maybe I am not 100% up to speed on the whole thing, but if AOSP 2.0 is "released" by google, then surely things like sync issues, etc shouldn't be in the source code?? I mean, the code should be as "bug free" as possible, so anything obvious like that would strike me as odd.
The reason I raise this point, is because I dislike the Rosie/SenseUI on my Hero, I would rather have the good, old Android standard like I had on my G1 - just what I prefer. However there are only beta versions of the AOSP eclair for Hero.
Would it be possible to build an AOSP eclair firmware, using the Qualcomm? proprietory drivers from someones leaked 2.1 image (working on an assumption that 2.1 has the same kernel base?) to produce a fully working Eclair 2.0 for Hero?
If I am way off the mark with this, please say, I'm just trying to think it through with the help of the people in the know.

Ditto. I am all for AOSP 2.0

richbayliss said:
Maybe I am not 100% up to speed on the whole thing, but if AOSP 2.0 is "released" by google, then surely things like sync issues, etc shouldn't be in the source code?? I mean, the code should be as "bug free" as possible, so anything obvious like that would strike me as odd
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I think part of the "issue" is that whilst Google have release some 2.0 code to AOSP, it is not currently complete (see here). In addition, many of the Google apps (e.g. Gmail) are closed source, so you have to rely on prebuilt components which may, or may not, be compatible.
The long and short of it is that Lox is already doing what you are asking. The prerelease of HTC's 2.1 has possibly served as a distraction to the AOSP 2.0 build, but I'm sure once Google properly drops AOSP 2.1 code that work will be of direct relevance to the AOSP project.
Regards,
Dave

yeah exactly. just sit tight and wait for Lox_dev to finish his 2.1 Then he might look after the AOSP 2.0. and as AOSP 2.0 is running pretty fine without much hassle its fine if Lox takes some time before working on AOSP 2.0 . cheers

I'm with this idea!
I mean, just compare the 2.1 and 2.0 aosp videos; android 2.0 has much cleaner, and better transitions imo.
Design choices in 2.1 by HTC are, imo, bad as usual; the transparent notification drawer for example; what is the purpose? It's only jerky. And so on..

I suggest suspending judgement on HTC's 2.1 until they've actually released final code! Remember this is a leaked internal build - what ends up in the final ROM may be quite different.
Regards,
Dave

I think I have a clearer picture now, thanks guys.
I just wish that we could be in a scenario where we could flash a standard AOSP build onto our Hero's, sans the whole SenseUI, and have a basic usable phone.
I really dont get the whole "gmail is closed source" crap with Google. I mean, I can have Gmail on WinMo, S60, etc - but only on Android IF I have a license?? WTF! Crazy! Luckily, now that Gmail does support Exchange Activesync I don't need the standalone app anyway.
So the word on the street is wait.... which I guess is what we will have to do
I am keen to be able to build from source so I can start on a project I have in mind. Think along the lines of SenseUI, but a bit different.....

richbayliss said:
We have had alot of activity over the last few days, what with the first 2.0 releases from the main players and now even some 2.1 builds. Which is excellent.
Maybe I am not 100% up to speed on the whole thing, but if AOSP 2.0 is "released" by google, then surely things like sync issues, etc shouldn't be in the source code?? I mean, the code should be as "bug free" as possible, so anything obvious like that would strike me as odd.
The reason I raise this point, is because I dislike the Rosie/SenseUI on my Hero, I would rather have the good, old Android standard like I had on my G1 - just what I prefer. However there are only beta versions of the AOSP eclair for Hero.
Would it be possible to build an AOSP eclair firmware, using the Qualcomm? proprietory drivers from someones leaked 2.1 image (working on an assumption that 2.1 has the same kernel base?) to produce a fully working Eclair 2.0 for Hero?
If I am way off the mark with this, please say, I'm just trying to think it through with the help of the people in the know.
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Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but we already have a fully working AOSP Eclair image for the HTC Hero. I've been using it for over a week, on a daily basis and other than the looping sync issue (which we are working on) it works fantastic..

jnwhiteh said:
Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but we already have a fully working AOSP Eclair image for the HTC Hero. I've been using it for over a week, on a daily basis and other than the looping sync issue (which we are working on) it works fantastic..
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I wasn't aware that all issues apart from the syncing were fixed. I thought we still had issues with camera stability etc?? Is this not the case??

There are some minor issues with stability, but it's absolutely useable on a daily basis. I guess it would be better for you to list what your problems are or concerns, rather than making (what appears to me) to be a grand claim for concentrated work on something.
There are a number of us who are solely focused on getting AOSP Eclair working 100%.. but we're very nearly there. Having people contribute constructive information about what doesn't work would be the best.

jnwhiteh said:
There are some minor issues with stability, but it's absolutely useable on a daily basis. I guess it would be better for you to list what your problems are or concerns, rather than making (what appears to me) to be a grand claim for concentrated work on something.
There are a number of us who are solely focused on getting AOSP Eclair working 100%.. but we're very nearly there. Having people contribute constructive information about what doesn't work would be the best.
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Believe me, I'll come back to AOSP soon with great things

That's an awesome news ! Thank you Lox !

Lox_Dev said:
Believe me, I'll come back to AOSP soon with great things
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Thanks Lox, appreciated.

Lox_Dev said:
Believe me, I'll come back to AOSP soon with great things
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Great news man! Thanks a lot! Holding my breath...

jnwhiteh said:
There are some minor issues with stability, but it's absolutely useable on a daily basis. I guess it would be better for you to list what your problems are or concerns, rather than making (what appears to me) to be a grand claim for concentrated work on something.
There are a number of us who are solely focused on getting AOSP Eclair working 100%.. but we're very nearly there. Having people contribute constructive information about what doesn't work would be the best.
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I agree. The only reason I am now using Lox_devs Hero 2.1 1.4 instead of the pure Eclair one is that Eclair does not sync my exchange calendar. I just cant see why the calendar has been left out.

Nexus One ROM/OS on Hero?

I bought my Hero a few weeks ago because I dug the SenseUI (it looked better than the standard Android UI) and because there was an update to 2.1 promised.
At the moment I'm a little bit afraid of two things:
1. There will not be an update. There really are great apps out there requiring 2.0+ and many features I could use like built in VPN support.
2. If there will be an update it might look ugly as hell. From what I've seen from the leaked Expresso ROM, I can only hope that they won't do that ugly **** for the Hero update... actually I just hope they will never really release that design. The current SenseUI looks original, slick, elegant, starting with the home screen, to the individual app icon designs. Sounds stupid, but that stuff really looks neat unlike the Expresso UI I've seen (oh, too much rambling here)
Now, if all goes bad... is it possible to extract the Nexus One ROM and use it on the HTC? After all the Hardware is not too different and should work with a little bit of adjustment.
In general, I'm really amazed by what is going on here... but most ROMs seem to be a modification/theming orgy rather than a decent port of a decent, more advanced OS version. I don't mean to offend anyone. After all, these ROMs are great for people interested into all that modding and theming and all. But for me, it's important to have a nice looking and working OS, not so much community modifications.

well you can't argue about taste, so i'll leave that part out. my bets would go on something looking at least similar to the espresso leak.
there will be an update, that's for sure. it is only a matter of time, i hope not too much time...
about porting the nexus rom, i wouldn't hold my breath for it. the hardware might be not so different, but from how i see it the hero is a ***** when it comes to hardware. this is also the reason why there is only about a dozen roms at all, and the only one without compromises is mcr. look at the g1 section, they literally drown in roms.
and for starters, the nexus has the snapdragon cpu, which seems to be at least one generation further evolved when it comes to mobile computing power, i don't see it coming...

don´t worry .
i read a rumor in the morning that htc is going to release on february 15th

Yes, we will get Nexus version.
Simply put, Nexus is pretty much standard 2.1 Android.
so far, people like Lox have been working on getting version 2.0 & 2.01 running on the Hero, but now that 2.1 SDK has been released they will start working on that. But it will help when HTC release the source code for their own 2.1 version as that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
The only thing I can see causing problems are the live wallpapers, but I believe that people are getting these to run on the G1 so you never know what is possible.
I've been running 2.0.1 software with all the latest gallery,navigation etc apps for a while now so expect 2.1 versions soon.
PS I installed the Expresso version on my phone and uninstalled straight away. Reminds me way too much of HTC's Windows Mobile software !

GXFX said:
don´t worry .
i read a rumor in the morning that htc is going to release on february 15th
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and where did you read that?

furrypotato said:
people like Lox have been working on getting version 2.0 & 2.01 running on the Hero, but now that 2.1 SDK has been released they will start working on that. But it will help when HTC release the source code for their own 2.1 version as that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
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Two points!
1. The 2.1 SDK is *not* the source code for Android 2.1. The the tools and libraries required to build Android 2.1 applications, not the OS itself. As far as I'm aware, the 2.1 OS code has not been dropped into the AOSP (Android Open Source Project).
2. HTC are only required to release the source code to the kernel as this is licensed under the GPL, though this will contain the hardware drivers. HTC's version of 2.1 itself does not ever need to be released as the Android source code is licensed under the ASL which is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave

furrypotato said:
that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
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yeah, i wouldn't be so sure about that. the kernel sources for the g1 kernel .29 are out, doesn't help a tiny bit for the hero so far...

kendong2 said:
well you can't argue about taste, so i'll leave that part out. my bets would go on something looking at least similar to the espresso leak.
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You are right of course... if they release an upgrade to 2.1 it's logical that they develop and use that for the Espresso. So I guess it will be the same as the Espresso ROM. I just hope that the Espresso ROM won't look like the leaks.
While you can't argue about taste... you have to admit, that the UI looks (stylewise) quite different to the original Sense UI. Usually I wouldn't mind change. Just take Apple's UI, or Google's UI on the web as well as in Android releases. They usually stay the same, sometimes adding more colors, using gradients, etc. and you still recognize the original style. It usually takes very long until a system has changed so much that you can't recognize it's origins. Take the difference between XP and Vista. Was quite huge. Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise).
Now, in the leaked Espresso rom I can't recognize the old SenseUI at all, except for the widgets, which can be removed / customized anyway and are not the main concern of HTC's developers right now.
Well, in case it looks to my disliking:
I know, that Sense UI as a whole is not just a plugin but the visually relevant parts (home screen, lock screen, mesages app, mail app, contacts app etc.) are mainly applications, right? (Well, the designs for menu lists, like in "settings" are not apps I guess, but they don't bother me as they look the same in the current UI version) How hard do you think would it be to extract the old apps and replace their counterparts in the new ROM?
This could maybe even be done without rooting, like it's possible for the lock screen and home screen. I dunno about replacing the Standard htc apps though.

felikz said:
and where did you read that?
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Look here - http://www.androidcentral.com/rumors-say-european-htc-hero-get-android-21-february

Sir_Oliver said:
Look here - ...
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Well the rumor that it's going to be released in February... come one... HTC said it will release in 1Q2010 which leaves January to March. February is right in the middle so they just say February.
That alone, ok, but what about the list of features. It seems to be put together from previous rumors and leaked ROMs noone even knows of whether they apply to the Hero update.
I'd take such a rumor, originally from some obscure Polish website (not to say anything against Poland, but it's a local website and the rumor hasn't surfaced from a more global site anywhere else), with a (huge) grain of salt.

I'm with Olafos here. I've now tried a 2.0 and 2.1 ROM, but come back to MCR3.1 within a few hours. It's not even all totally about visuals, as I think had been mentioned. The contacts widget, giving me my favourite contacts on my homescreen is used a lot by me. The group text is used quite a bit too.
The contacts, messages and other things just don't look very nice on standard 2.1. When the Bravo comes out (or before) with 2.1 have these cool Sense UI additions?
How much different will the Nexus One be to what 2.1 on my Hero looks like? Right now it's totally put me off upgrading. I really want a bigger screen and snapdragon CPU, but I would miss the amazing UI and funcitonality of my Hero on 1.5 with Sense UI :-/

olafos said:
You are right of course... if they release an upgrade to 2.1 it's logical that they develop and use that for the Espresso. So I guess it will be the same as the Espresso ROM. I just hope that the Espresso ROM won't look like the leaks.
While you can't argue about taste... you have to admit, that the UI looks (stylewise) quite different to the original Sense UI. Usually I wouldn't mind change. Just take Apple's UI, or Google's UI on the web as well as in Android releases. They usually stay the same, sometimes adding more colors, using gradients, etc. and you still recognize the original style. It usually takes very long until a system has changed so much that you can't recognize it's origins. Take the difference between XP and Vista. Was quite huge. Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise).
Now, in the leaked Espresso rom I can't recognize the old SenseUI at all, except for the widgets, which can be removed / customized anyway and are not the main concern of HTC's developers right now.
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ok, point taken
olafos said:
Well, in case it looks to my disliking:
I know, that Sense UI as a whole is not just a plugin but the visually relevant parts (home screen, lock screen, mesages app, mail app, contacts app etc.) are mainly applications, right? (Well, the designs for menu lists, like in "settings" are not apps I guess, but they don't bother me as they look the same in the current UI version) How hard do you think would it be to extract the old apps and replace their counterparts in the new ROM?
This could maybe even be done without rooting, like it's possible for the lock screen and home screen. I dunno about replacing the Standard htc apps though.
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i have no idea about backward compatibility of the android system... just try it with one of the 2.0 roms? i'd bet on foobar if you mix 1.5 sense parts with 2.x, but don't let that stop you from romcooking

I just realized I said:
"Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise). "
Of course I meant Vista and Win7
Ich will nicht wirklich eigene Roms machen...mir fehlt leider die Zeit. Hoechstes der Gefuehle waere evtl. zu rooten und zu schauen was läuft
I think Android apps are backwards compatible, not so sure about the HTC Sense UI integrated ones though.

CM6 nightlies: being developed, worth using!

Everyone's aware of froyd, chronos etc since they're actively being developed by people here but I've been using CM6 nightlies since they started being released and they work great! Music controls for lockscreen and a nice configurable power control widget have appeared in the recent builds. I don't even mind the lack of a changelog, more fun working it out for yourself
So, does anyone else use them? Have a look here: http://mirror.kanged.net/cm/nightly/hero/

:O i didnt know there was still work going into CM6 for Hero. Ive been checking one Github Commits page, there were no updates for a while and assumed ppl had given up!
out of curiosity, whos developing those nightlies?

I'm not sure - it's possible i suppose that the new features are just CM6 bits which happen to work ok and no-one's really working towards making it work better on the hero but lox should be back on the case in a couple of weeks and it's no more broken than the other roms....

Do we need to wipe for these, or can we flash them over the current alpha?

Is the camera working in this ROM?..

sinding said:
Is the camera working in this ROM?..
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no, trust me you'll know when froyo gets a rom with camera working
[edit] actually, it kinda does... the preview only seems to update when something else is moving though, so for example if you press menu, it will work while the menu animation is going on, also auto focus actually seemed to work. So you can get a half-useful camera if you spam menu constantly or rotate the phone like mad. [edit]

The camera doesn't work right but it doesn't work the same way every time I know i can take photos, I just can't see what I'm taking photos of....
I've flashed each nightly over the previous one all the way back and had no issues, just a dalvik wipe each re-flash.

kieranc said:
... but lox should be back on the case in a couple of weeks ...
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Exciting news! I was beginning to lose hope that the CM6 Alpha build would ever make it out of Alpha.
For those that didn't see it, Lox tweeted this morning with that update.
https://twitter.com/LoxDev

where can I find google apps for this?

no market??

yeah, you miss things 'cause you need to install google apps
I just don't know where to download

on feeyo's website on froyo 2.2 is a link with google apps
http://www.cronosproject.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=198
just not sure if you can flash them over this one..
don't know wich ones are included either, but it's worth a shot
grtz

this is the gaps for CM6 nightlis build:
http://www.multiupload.com/9LJMNBHOXF
and this is the link to the original thread of @maxisma:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717824

maxniper said:
this is the gaps for CM6 nightlis build:
http://www.multiupload.com/9LJMNBHOXF
and this is the link to the original thread of @maxisma:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717824
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thank you : )

There's a newer version of the gapps for cm6 here:
http://www.multiupload.com/DPC7H4DDFO

kieranc said:
Everyone's aware of froyd, chronos etc since they're actively being developed by people here but I've been using CM6 nightlies since they started being released and they work great! Music controls for lockscreen and a nice configurable power control widget have appeared in the recent builds. I don't even mind the lack of a changelog, more fun working it out for yourself
So, does anyone else use them? Have a look here: http://mirror.kanged.net/cm/nightly/hero/
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I stopped flashing them when I found zero differences in them between builds that were 3 or 4 days apart.
I'm happy they're adding little things still, but the changes I see in cronos and fusion (in particular) are far more dramatic and useful than what I saw in the nightlies from maxisma et al.
The nightlies were the first, and originally the best (and only) froyo. I loved the original test0 build, it was so solid and fast, but with lots of broken bits.
However with the new cronos from yesterday and fusion as an alternative, and froyd of course which hasn't changed in a while but is always solid, fairly quick and runs well... I'd trust those over nightlies any day.
Nightlies aren't meant for mass use or stability - any nightly could suddenly break things. I know they're pretty solid now but it's because thy're not doing significant things either, adding little widgets etc is nice but not really amazing or anything.
I'll stick with Cronos which I'll bet you performs faster in gpu results.

kieranc said:
The camera doesn't work right but it doesn't work the same way every time I know i can take photos, I just can't see what I'm taking photos of....
I've flashed each nightly over the previous one all the way back and had no issues, just a dalvik wipe each re-flash.
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that is all exactly the same with all froyo roms on the hero.
so if anything is thinking "hey, well in that case I'll flash the nightly so I can at least get SOME previews and some camera operation", it's exactly as with froyd, fusion and cronos. occasional previews, autofocus that works then makes it out of focus again before taking the pic, some crashing of the phone, some gps getting stuck on with camera magic, zero video recording.

For people who think of changing...
Nightly Builds from 6/8/2010 !
Froyo 2.2
Advantages:
- JIT and Compcache on/off
- Overclockable ( to 710MHz )
- all 2.2 benefits otherwise
Bugs (as far as i know):
- Camera (like all 2.2 roms)
- Landscape in gallery 3D
- Battery life isn't that good (imo)
Scores:
- Linpack: 3,531 MFLOPS (JIT on) / 2.32 MFLOPS (JIT off)
- BenchmarkPI: 10863 ms
Screens in attachments
grtz

I've been using the nightly builds, and like it a lot. I've requested changelogs though, but sadly I still haven't got any response on that matter. I don't notice that much differences between the nightly builds, but a few things I noticed lately:
1) browser doesn't FC when closing the last tab anymore
2) music controls on the lockscreen (provided by koush for CM6)
Would be great if we could keep track on changes in this thread. I love changelogs ;-)

opera mini has stopped working for me over the last few days which has made me realise how slow the stock browser is... might have to do something about it.
edit: opera working again in latest nightly

[ROM COLLECTION] [08/16/2010] Exciting ROMs you've never heard of!

I was a little (very) bored so I decided to use google translate to search for ROMs in other launguages and here's a few that looks very promising (websites are in the language they where posted in. Use google translate to translate xD)
Elelinux FroYo, Also a translated version of this but looks more like google translate xD This is in my oppinion THE BEST Cyanogen 6 ROM! It's EXTREMELY smooth and it has some awsome awsome themes. If you then equip it with the Flykernel it gets even smoother and even better in benchmark. Tip: For the original kernel OverclockWidget seems to be working much better than SetCPU
EDIT: I must say it's a tie between the two kernels (elelinux or ninpo´s or however made that kernel for elelinux Froyo im not sure kernel might actually be a little better) I'm getting around 5.2-5.3 MFLOPS with the default kernel (748MHz) and it goes up high sometimes so I'm using that currently
Elelinux Legendary, Translated thread or at least almost I think A legend port so it has some nice features like FriendStream it also looks a little more up to date than other legend ports? It has a very nice theme too!
EDGEHero, Holy ****! Performance orgasm! Hust tried this and I thaught I was in love with Cronos Droid but OMFG am I cheating on it xD Anyways the one thing I notice when I saw this was the posibility for OC up to 844MHz yup 844MHz (yes my phone can take it )! Just read that this also has a theme
FramHero Pretty much a standard ROM but it has a very nice theme
bFROYO A Cyanogon 6 ROM with some nice features and it looks like it has got a REALLY cool theme too
7Hero A Russian ROM (not language wice) mainly made for Russians but it looks like it has some nice add-ons etc.
eVanilla Looks like it's a cyanogen 5.0.8 ROM. Focus in this ROM is clearly at performance
So if you've tried these ROMs what do you think? If you know another undiscovered wonder please let me know!

maybe you can find something, what you didn't see yet on the xda forums
http://hero-roms.blogspot.com/

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maybe you can find something, what you didn't see yet on the xda forums
http://hero-roms.blogspot.com/
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Oh yeah of course I actually look at this page from time to time but I completely forgot xD Will update the post later

another one:
bFroyo - http://hero-roms.blogspot.com/2010/07/bfroyo63-v04.html
I don't know where it came from default language is non-english but as long as you know your way around menus you can switch it to english pretty easily.
great rom
all I found missing (which was a deal breaker) was exchange - it's not listed in accounts to add.
And finally, the very experimental...
[email protected]_2.2 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580339&highlight=froyo
It's cool, works well, but for me has three fundamental issues:
- voice call sound quality is terrible, something's wrong there (But dev says it's fine for him). I've tried different radios, I've patched different audio files as per his suggestions, nothing's changed anything. sound in speaker is lacking in treble, and people on other end can't really hear me at all.
- not exchange support (yet)
- doesn't support our favorite apps2sd, doesn't even allow for an ext partition to be on the card. it's very froyo-only in design that way. if the above two things worked then I'd reformat to only fat32 and give it another try, but the voice sound quality bug is a blocker for me. however it's a cool design, very alternative font, sexy looking, nice layout, nice alternative default apps. An interesting rom, fun to play with. if sound quality somehow just "works" for you then it might be a daily user.

dkelley said:
another one:
bFroyo - http://hero-roms.blogspot.com/2010/07/bfroyo63-v04.html
I don't know where it came from default language is non-english but as long as you know your way around menus you can switch it to english pretty easily.
great rom
all I found missing (which was a deal breaker) was exchange - it's not listed in accounts to add.
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Cool will add to first post (found the original post ) Will not add [email protected] since it can be found here at XDA

I have used Elelinux Legendary, a few older versions, and they have been working great.
As for his FroYo ROM it is about the same as the other FroYo ROMs around.

kosmiq said:
I have used Elelinux Legendary, a few older versions, and they have been working great.
As for his FroYo ROM it is about the same as the other FroYo ROMs around.
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Cool How would you say the speed was on the legend post compared to Hero official 2.1?

C0mpu13rFr34k said:
Cool How would you say the speed was on the legend post compared to Hero official 2.1?
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Never used the real official 2.1, only team villains version. However I never had any problems with it and for the tasks I do with my phone it was more than enough. Mind though that I do not play games or stuff on my phone. I use it for SMS, Email, calls etc. For that, it worked great. Only reason I switched ROM was to try the various vanilla ROMs and never really found my way back...

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Never used the real official 2.1, only team villains version. However I never had any problems with it and for the tasks I do with my phone it was more than enough. Mind though that I do not play games or stuff on my phone. I use it for SMS, Email, calls etc. For that, it worked great. Only reason I switched ROM was to try the various vanilla ROMs and never really found my way back...
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That's kinda like me I only flash ROMs that's almost all I use my Hero for xD

Elelinux just updated his FroYo ROM. Translated changelog:
Changelog 2010-08-08
ROM updated. No wipe, simply flash over previous version.
Removed launcher2
Removed Gallery 3D
Added LauncherPro
Added Astro
Added phonebook
Built a new kernel. Counting on better battery time, added conservative as a choice for SetCPU, on demand is still default.
Recommended setting is 352MHz as the lowest if SetCPU is in conservative mode. Otherwise it could sleep too "hard" and have strange colors on wake. Running 352/652MHz with conservative on my Hero.
Minor graphical changes with black status bad and white text. If anyone wants the white I will upload that as well.
Here is an update to remove 3D Gallery.
http://www.statusuppdateringskomplex...D_gallerie.zip
Still working on a solution to the camera problem.
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thx thx =)

thanks for that... never been on that blog before so many roms.. starting with edgehero tho to check speed and then bfrodo for theme.. but was just going to updated to fusion might have to get a nokia for phone calls and txting next few days

too bad he removed 3d gallery from his froyo rom instead of fixing it or using the fixed version for froyo that cronos and fusion use.

Just installed bFROYO and it's pretty cool so far. The missing Exchange sync will be a deal breaker for me too long term but I'm waiting on the Froyo Email.apk from klaus27.
ROM is pretty great so far.

cs-cam said:
Just installed bFROYO and it's pretty cool so far. The missing Exchange sync will be a deal breaker for me too long term but I'm waiting on the Froyo Email.apk from klaus27.
ROM is pretty great so far.
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what's the email.apk supposed to do?? is it just an email app or is it exchange support?

@cs-cam
How long were you sat on the blue skating android with the arrow going around?
It keeps dissapearing, reappearing and carrying on... taken around 10 minutes so far, and no different, and worried that I may have bricked it... :-/
boch501

boch501 said:
@cs-cam
How long were you sat on the blue skating android with the arrow going around?
It keeps dissapearing, reappearing and carrying on... taken around 10 minutes so far, and no different, and worried that I may have bricked it... :-/
boch501
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You are in a bootloop... Pull the battery then go into recovery and do a FULL wipe and reinstall.

finally a sense rom where tvcatchup works properly!! Elelinux Legendary

djdavis said:
finally a sense rom where tvcatchup works properly!! Elelinux Legendary
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Glad to hear

elelinux said:
Glad to hear
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was it complicated to get it to work?

[Q] ics-deck-inc vs Evervolv vs OMX?

I've been following OMX and ics-deck-inc and I'm wondering which people think is better.
EDIT: Since I posted this, the Evervolv ICS ROM (posted on Twitter only) has gained popularity. It was the first to bring partial camera support, and although ics-deck has since added it, it seems most new features show up in Evervolv first. OMX is also fading away into obscurity.
These are my impressions based on the comments...
ics-deck-inc has been updated more recently (12/25), while development on OMX seems to be at a standstill (going on almost a month). I'm assuming the OMX standstill was related to the holidays though, since before that it was being updated very often.
EDIT: ics-deck-inc is now up to Alpha 5 as of this edit, while OMX is still at a standstill. It seems from this post that there is only 1 person working on OMX
OMX seems to be more further along, but maybe it's an illusion due to the fact that OMX has a much more detailed change log and explains the updates much more clearly (i.e. ics-deck-inc seems to be in "aplha1" still even through I know there have been a few updates)
EDIT: ics-deck-inc and Evervolv have far surpassed OMX. Personally,I prefer Evervolv, but I go back and forth between it and ics-deck-inc.
I see a lot of talk in the comments for ics-deck-inc about having to install Ext4 and Incredikernel, which adds more work for me and a higher chance of messing something up. I don't know about Ext4, but OMX already includes Incredikernel at least (although neither of them explain why I need Ext4 or Incredikernel).
EDIT: ics-deck-inc, Evervolv, and OMX all include incredikernel.
ics-deck-inc has a "Calendar fix" posted but I see a lot of commenters still having problems. Not sure whether or not this is a problem in OMX, but I haven't seen many people complaining about it (at least not lately).
EDIT: It's actually a lot simpler than that calendar fix... you just need to do this and all is well. There's also a fix for exchange calendar sync issues posted a little later in this thread
ics-deck-inc lists Wimax as something that's broken, but since when does the Incredible have Wimax anyway? Anyone know what the deal is with that?
EDIT: It seems this is there because the developer makes ROMs for other devices as well. Inc uses can just ignore it
So most of the above comments are obsolete at this point, but you can still feel free to use this thread to discuss changes and such. There is a separate feedback thread somewhere, but (a) that's just for deck, and (b) this is more about discussion than feedback.

I can just wait

demarcmj said:
I've been following OMX and ics-deck-inc and I'm wondering which people think is better.
These are my impressions based on the comments...
ics-deck-inc has been updated more recently (12/25), while development on OMX seems to be at a standstill (going on almost a month). I'm assuming the OMX standstill was related to the holidays though, since before that it was being updated very often.
OMX seems to be more further along, but maybe it's an illusion due to the fact that OMX has a much more detailed change log and explains the updates much more clearly (i.e. ics-deck-inc seems to be in "aplha1" still even through I know there have been a few updates)
I see a lot of talk in the comments for ics-deck-inc about having to install Ext4 and Incredikernel, which adds more work for me and a higher chance of messing something up. I don't know about Ext4, but OMX already includes Incredikernel at least (although neither of them explain why I need Ext4 or Incredikernel).
ics-deck-inc has a "Calendar fix" posted but I see a lot of commenters still having problems. Not sure whether or not this is a problem in OMX, but I haven't seen many people complaining about it (at least not lately).
ics-deck-inc lists Wimax as something that's broken, but since when does the Incredible have Wimax anyway? Anyone know what the deal is with that?
Has anyone out there used both RECENTLY and have some thoughts?
Or does anyone who has only used one or the other want to agree or disagree with any of my impressions above?
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I've only used OMX. I got hooked on it, but unfortunately just flashed back to CM7.1 today. In OMX, calendar does not sync with google. Wifi tethering works. Cam no work. Can't use phone as external storage when connect to computer. Also, the ring tones and volume controls are all messed up: phone never rang, just vibrates. When playing pandora, sound is very low, even at max setting. Headphones are not recognized. When I connected to bluetooth in the car, i could make a call and talk over the bluetooth, but pandora or other media would not play through bluetooth.
Unfortunately it sounds like OMX will not be getting another update any time soon. And CM9 is probably still another several months away for INC, if they release it at all. So....looks like i'm stuck with stupid CM7.1 (or maybe MIUI) until i get my tegra3 ice cream phone!

I have been running ics-deck-inc since yesterday morning and here are some things I can tell you:
-Well, first off ics-deck-inc got updated a couple of days ago with loads of fixes including the camera. There are still some strange issues with the camera, but hey, it works.
-As far as incredikernel, ics-deck-inc already has it in the ROM. Therefore you don't have to flash it. There is a new incredikernel from 1/2/2012, while the one in the ROM is from December. Flash the new one if you want, but you don't have to.
-My calendar has worked without issue since I installed it. I think the issue is that calendars from Exchange and such don't sync with it.
-I think the Wimax thing is for another phone and not the incredible.
-Bluetooth works great. Syncs up with my head unit in my truck just fine. Pandora over bluetooth works great as well. The only thing is I can't get the metadata to stream to my head unit.
Hope that helps.

Well, I'll put my own experiences in now that a couple people have replied...
A couple days after posing the question, CyanogenMod decided to stop working for me (as others have noted that it tends to do after a period of time) so I decided to give some of these ICS ROMs a try since I was going to have to reflash anyway
I started with the Evervolv 2.1.0 Preview3 build posted on twitter so far [twitter.com]) because it was the first one to have camera support, which was one of the things keeping me from making the jump in the first place. The Evervolv build worked great for me. There was the occasional force close, but that is to be expected.
Then ics-deck-inc was updated to Alpha 4 yesterday to include, among other things camera support. I decided to move to deck since many people had noted that it was a bit better all-around than Evervolv. And now that it had camera support, there was no reason not to switch.
A few notes:
As awesomeo3000 pointed out, incredikernel is included. It's not the most up-to-date, but nobody has given any compelling reasons that you absolutely need the latest. (this was the case with Evervolv and OMX also)
I haven't really noticed a significant difference in battery life over my other ROMs, but that is probably because I am pretty much always around a charger so I don't really notice.
ics-deck comes with the Trebuchet (CM9) launcher, which is essentially stock ICS with some enhancements. It allows things like changing the # of homescreens, resizing any widget (stock only allows some), and other tweaks that are very useful but at the same time won't bother anyone who wants pure stock. Unfortunately, there seems to be two significant bugs in the app drawer in both the stock launcher and Trebuchet: (1) often times the next page of apps or widgets will show up in the background before you even attempt to switch pages, and (2) the launcher force closes very often when paging though the widgets. To alleviate that, I have switched to Nova Launcher which, like Trebuchet, is based on the stock ICS launcher but offers many helpful tweaks. I I still have had the occasional force close related to selecting widgets, but Nova also restores the long-press on the homescreen for widgets functionality, which can be used as another option if you experience force closes.
There are some small bugs that I have noticed here and there (like this one), but nothing really major, other than the well-known issues like calendar syncing and usb-host (see below). I also haven't yet tested a lot of things, like bluetooth for one.
My calendar syncing issues were solved by doing this: link. There was no need to replace the calender apps or anything like that. I can't speak for the Exchange Calendar syncing though. I can say that I was able to get an Exchange email account to work fine, but I don't use the calendar for that account.
As many people in the forums note, the multi-mount widget in the Android Market can be used to get usb-host support. Hopefully something will be built into the ROM in the future, but for now this should work. Alternatively, you can try what I use, the Samba Filesharing app. It's not as fast as USB, but wireless has it's own convenience advantages.
These are just some things I have noticed. There are some great features in ics-deck that I haven't even listed, and also some minor bugs. Alpha 5 is out now, only one day after Alpha 4, and I am excited to give it a try. I have to say that at this point I think they could drop the "Alpha." I think it could at the very least be considered "Beta" but that is just my opinion.
The important thing is this, anyone who is still using CM7 or any other ROM because they are waiting for an ICS ROM that is reasonably stable to use as a daily driver, I think ics-deck-inc has reached that point.

awesomeo3000 said:
Unfortunately it sounds like OMX will not be getting another update any time soon. And CM9 is probably still another several months away for INC, if they release it at all. So....looks like i'm stuck with stupid CM7.1 (or maybe MIUI) until i get my tegra3 ice cream phone!
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You should definitely try ics-deck (see my post above)

Does MMS work? how partially working is the camera? can u at least take pictures and video

Evervolv has a build going as well, and they have 8 MP camera functional as well as USB mass storage. I'm going to try it now to see how it works.

TeeRom said:
Evervolv has a build going as well, and they have 8 MP camera functional as well as USB mass storage. I'm going to try it now to see how it works.
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Yup, I mentioned Evervolv's ROMs. I can definitely say the 8MP camera is working (video and panorama modes still aren't). I haven't tested out USB storage yet but they swear it works.
Right now Evervolv is my favorite, but they seem to go back and forth (hence both in my signature). Best to keep an eye on both (I've given up on OMX, big time)
EDIT: I have now also added Evervolv to the title of the thread.

I've tried both ICS deck and Evervolv, but neither display my exchange calendar in the calendar app, which is a showstopper for me. Unfortunate, as I likes me some sammich. Exchange syncs fine, and sync settings claims the calendar is up to date, but the calendar app says "no calendars" for the exchange account. Anyone had any luck with this or have a workaround that you like?

Exchange calendar issue fixed in Evervolv by flashing the zip from from this tweet.

There is a fix for the exchange.apk with the evervolv ics rom peview 5. I have it posted in rootzwiki. i had someone try it out and they confirmed it did work. Just look for post by apophis9283 in rootzwiki

Actually no need to install ext4 on any of them. Its not required.
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http://twitter.com/MongooseHelix
Here is a link to the next preview build from the evervolv guys.

ralph0015 said:
http://twitter.com/MongooseHelix
Here is a link to the next preview build from the evervolv guys.
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Thanks... here is the link to the actual twitter post: https://twitter.com/#!/MongooseHelix/status/160269895265828864
Direct Link to the ROM: http://t.co/btSyQQ0o (MD5 Sum e193f7bf9eb83233bff02aa40bb84fd0)
Direct Link to their new gapps: http://t.co/m3DOolG8
Direct Link to their exchange fix: http://t.co/IIALIskJ
(Note: they say not to flash the new gapps if you're using the exchange fix)
P.S. I updated the main thread to add Evervolv to the title... I didn't realize I could do that when I last updated it. (I also updated some of the text in there)

demarcmj said:
Direct Link to their exchange fix: http://t.co/IIALIskJ
(Note: they say not to flash the new gapps if you're using the exchange fix)
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Note that the exchange fix isn't needed for Preview 6 anymore, they apparently baked it in. Installed P6, latest gapps and ext4 mod from a full wipe and all is well.

"Haus" said:
Note that the exchange fix isn't needed for Preview 6 anymore, they apparently baked it in. Installed P6, latest gapps and ext4 mod from a full wipe and all is well.
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Does this one have panoramic for the camera? its probably the only thing keeping me from using any ICS at the moment (I could care less about video.. I think I've taken 4 in since I had the phone.. and I got it day 1)

Not sure, i went back to cm7 atm only because certain apps fc with ics

I couldnt stay away from the ics goodiness. Went back to evervolv preview 6. Hope these devs get these market apps compatible with ics soon

I loved Evervolv p5 but it still felt unfinished to me. Didn't have any FCs but after running MIUI for so long, I was missing the customization options. I'll probably be back soon though...