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getting mt3gs in two weeks
but i doubt i will root it
has anyone seen and IMPROVEMENT before with rooting?
not as in features and whatnot but as in speed, stability, battery life?
be honest here
i had a g1 and i rooted it and every rom that was made [FAST] or [STABLE]
was really just an easier way to say [ALMOST WORKS AS GOOD AS STOCK, BUT NOT REALLY, JUST ALMOST]
i have a feeling if i root my slide that i will just be on an epic quest to find a rom that actually works meaning functions properly
i want to be able to base the rom i use on features and not functionality...
has anyone noticed any improvements? be honest here
im a die hard android lover and have done every hack and run every rom there is
but i feel like you get so used to how they work that your idea of blazing fast
is in reality just barely keeping up with a stock setup
i have yet to find a rom that will still be blazing fast a week after use
they all seem to crash and burn miserably
has anyone else noticed this?
i just really want to know if it is an improvement to root my mt3gs or just kind of a "thing to do"
and yes this is my first post but i never felt like me taking up space would help anyone
i learned everything i know from here but i am no dev by any means
i just felt like this is something that needed to be said
ParkerOviedo said:
getting mt3gs in two weeks
but i doubt i will root it
has anyone seen and IMPROVEMENT before with rooting?
not as in features and whatnot but as in speed, stability, battery life?
be honest here
i had a g1 and i rooted it and every rom that was made [FAST] or [STABLE]
was really just an easier way to say [ALMOST WORKS AS GOOD AS STOCK, BUT NOT REALLY, JUST ALMOST]
i have a feeling if i root my slide that i will just be on an epic quest to find a rom that actually works meaning functions properly
i want to be able to base the rom i use on features and not functionality...
has anyone noticed any improvements? be honest here
im a die hard android lover and have done every hack and run every rom there is
but i feel like you get so used to how they work that your idea of blazing fast
is in reality just barely keeping up with a stock setup
i have yet to find a rom that will still be blazing fast a week after use
they all seem to crash and burn miserably
has anyone else noticed this?
i just really want to know if it is an improvement to root my mt3gs or just kind of a "thing to do"
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I came from a G1 also and I can agree with what you say....Kinda. I was able to find a few ROM's for my G1 that were very stable and much faster than my stock ROM. I used several for weeks and didnt have any problems with them slowing down' but there were some that didnt work as well also.
You will definitly see speed improvements in the future for the MTS but right now it is so new that the ROMS coming are doing smaller tweaks such as removing all the bloatware and alot of the sense UI stuff.
After you get your MTS you will want to root it when you see all the crap bloatware and stuff that t-mobile and Htc put on it. Thats what got me to do it.
I forgot to tell you: I havent noticed a speed change since I rooted but those changes will come. A overclocking kernel will be made so it can be overclocked and that will speed it up. I will say it is pretty fast right now ( more than I thought it would be) and coming from a G1 it is a big improvement.
Rooted myself but still on the stock ROM. The phone has not slowed down any since I have had it or since I have Rooted. I happen to like the Sense UI so I am waiting for a 2.2 With a Custom Sense/speed improvements.
That is exactly how I felt about the G1. And the Slide is so fast that I was hesitant to root and jump into someones ROM that is supposedly stable and fast but in reality is not. Luckily we can root and stay on the Tmobile ROM which is what I did.. now I have some of my convenient root apps including wifi tether and hopefully soon can delete some bloatware and ill be happy as can be with the stock rom.. no apps2sd no non sense crap.. I like the phone how it is.. That being said my bluetooth has been acting up and I did not notice this until after rooting..
Just got an EVO tonight, I would have liked to wait for 3D but I needed faster internet/phone asap since I started my new job.
I've been reading the forums, how to root, etc. the past couple of days, and am in the process of rooting. But there are just so many ROMs all which have there own pros/cons, so I was wondering if anyone had advice based on what I mainly want to use my phone for...
CM7 seems like the most popular, and I care mainly about stability, removing bloatware, and performance, care less about visual stuff. Plus it sounds like you can customize it with themes anyways.
But I've read threads where GPS/4G breaks which is what I care about the most.
I live in OC which has 4G, and that is the primary reason I upgraded from my old phone. 95% of the time this phone will be used for internet/games.
I was debating just going for a stock ROM, but not sure if benefits of a custom one outweighs stock ones.
Does anyone have advice on a stable ROM that improves performance and has little risk of breaking things like 4G? Or at least a few I can narrow down to?
Strife025 said:
Just got an EVO tonight, I would have liked to wait for 3D but I needed faster internet/phone asap since I started my new job.
I've been reading the forums, how to root, etc. the past couple of days, and am in the process of rooting. But there are just so many ROMs all which have there own pros/cons, so I was wondering if anyone had advice based on what I mainly want to use my phone for...
CM7 seems like the most popular, and I care mainly about stability, removing bloatware, and performance, care less about visual stuff. Plus it sounds like you can customize it with themes anyways.
But I've read threads where GPS/4G breaks which is what I care about the most.
I live in OC which has 4G, and that is the primary reason I upgraded from my old phone. 95% of the time this phone will be used for internet/games.
I was debating just going for a stock ROM, but not sure if benefits of a custom one outweighs stock ones.
Does anyone have advice on a stable ROM that improves performance and has little risk of breaking things like 4G? Or at least a few I can narrow down to?
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Normally I would suggest MIUI, but since you need 4G either go with CM 7 or if you want to stick with a Sense based ROM I would suggest MikFroyo. Hope that helps and good luck with the new job.
Strife025 said:
Just got an EVO tonight, I would have liked to wait for 3D but I needed faster internet/phone asap since I started my new job.
I've been reading the forums, how to root, etc. the past couple of days, and am in the process of rooting. But there are just so many ROMs all which have there own pros/cons, so I was wondering if anyone had advice based on what I mainly want to use my phone for...
CM7 seems like the most popular, and I care mainly about stability, removing bloatware, and performance, care less about visual stuff. Plus it sounds like you can customize it with themes anyways.
But I've read threads where GPS/4G breaks which is what I care about the most.
I live in OC which has 4G, and that is the primary reason I upgraded from my old phone. 95% of the time this phone will be used for internet/games.
I was debating just going for a stock ROM, but not sure if benefits of a custom one outweighs stock ones.
Does anyone have advice on a stable ROM that improves performance and has little risk of breaking things like 4G? Or at least a few I can narrow down to?
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If you want to keep your stock rom you can also just search root uninstaller on the market and get rid of any bloatware on the stock rom.
CM7 is the way to go friend...
Thanks for the replies. I thought I'd get the CM7 suggestions. I'm assuming RC4 is the version I want?
The only issue I had was that I saw in the known issues that some people were experiencing problems with 4G/GPS, so I wasn't sure if that was a widespread issue or not.
cm7 is an awesome ROM, dont get me wrong... if its your first rom troubleshooting may be a hassle because until it becomes an official release there will be bugs to deal with.
my suggestion would be look in the development thread and try a simple sense based rom first and read its threads (or even cm7 for that matter) to see what people are reporting about it.
*imho*
I switch between my own stock backup and CM7. CM7 is the way to go if you are looking for a different rom. It is basically stable. I have found nothing wrong with it.
MIKFROYO is great, but have been running Koni's Elite 111 with Honeycomb Dream theme for over a month...AWESOME...STABLE...FAST using netarchy 4.3.2 cfs sbc havs less
I was wondering this myself last week and what I found out is that once you see how easy it is to switch roms you'll be testing out a bunch of them and keep finding yourself returning to a particular one for one reason or another... and that's the one I stuck with. I ended up using Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo but I'm sure I'll be trying out a couple more today
Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS5. It's fast, stable and everything works and it's very customizable like any other Android device.
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But GPS does not work on CM7 without real hassle, well I couldn't get it to work.
Love that you got a new job and need a phone to play games and browse the web 95% of the time
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Koni's elite series iii is very stable, very fast, and looks great.
Clipsey said:
But GPS does not work on CM7 without real hassle, well I couldn't get it to work.
Love that you got a new job and need a phone to play games and browse the web 95% of the time
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lol I know right. Basically my old company was cool with everything as long as I got my work done so I never really needed to use internet on my phone as much. Have a good gaming rig at home and was always at my desk at work.
My new job is with at a larger corp. (like 3,000 people) and has way more rules and regulations. My boss doesn't care and always goes on his phone or reads the paper in his freetime, but it's a company rule. So I wanted something that I could go online with
Anyways, I rooted and installed CM7 last night, it was quite easy. I haven't had any problems but I did like certain things with the stock Sense UI better. Maybe I'll try some other ROMs suggested here since it was so easy.
I gotta agree that, I've use MIUI, CM6 (not 7), fresh, and researched but not used MikFroyo, and my favorite right now is Myn's Warm 2.2 RLS5 w/o a doubt. It has everything you would want in a SENSE based ROM. Then, I'd also download the launcher pro that's right on that same thread, it adds a ton of additional customization that is great.
If you want a stock look but a bit faster and possibly better battery life check out Calkulins evio series 2 its on version 1.8,by far my favorite sense rom.
If you want aosp gb rom very stable really fast,gps works for me but with all gb aosp its different from user to user.Try salvage mod on version 1.1 though 1.2 is coming soon.
Both great roms.
I'm running the new CM7 Final, and I love it. I was using the nightlies and the RC's, and they were all great for a daily driver. Now CM7 Final is out? To me, this can't be beat.
It's fast, stable, has the features, and does everything I want. Let us know which one you decided to try out...
Hey people, I just came over to the Samsung Galaxy S2 from Evo 3D. I was rooted on 3D and running Fresh rom, which was basically a stock rom, stripped down and ran smooth. I rooted because HTC's Sense Roms are so laggy and slow sometimes they really need a quad core processor to keep up with the S2's dual core processor IMO. I also had the WiFi tethering, but RARELY used it as nowadays, I can jump on the internet with my WiFi only tablet just about anywhere I go (Thank\ you McDonalds and Starbucks), so I don't really NEED WiFi anymore.
I just want to know if there is an advantage to rooting this particular device in your opinions? I get great batt life so far and use it all day. It's fast, no lag at all. My wife has the iPhone 4S and this seems to be as smooth as her iPhone in every way!
Would love to hear your thoughts...
Do it! Its dead simple and unlocks the potential of your device!
What's the advantage of rooting? Ultimate customization, removing bloatware, you can install some really great and fast roms including ICS, improved speed and battery life, not to mention rooting the epic 4g touch is really, really easy and straightforward. I'd say root it without a doubt, that's my two cents...not to mention i enjoy doing nerdy **** like that anyway. Go for it man!
mxmr said:
What's the advantage of rooting? Ultimate customization, removing bloatware, you can install some really great and fast roms including ICS, improved speed and battery life, not to mention rooting the epic 4g touch is really, really easy and straightforward. I'd say root it without a doubt, that's my two cents...not to mention i enjoy doing nerdy **** like that anyway. Go for it man!
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I def appreciate your input. I'm not a huge customizer anyway, but I do like to remove bloatware... Thanks...
Removing bloat, a few apps requiring root...
But to be frank, this phone runs so well OOTB, debatable if it's in anyway necessary. I ran stock with no custom roms for weeks before the itch overtook me.
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Hey people, I just came over to the Samsung Galaxy S2 from Evo 3D.
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I made the same move and could not be happier. Save for the network.
I prefer the resolution and this device is amazing.
I root devices just to have complete control.
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Reasons to keep your root
I don't know how much ads in your games and other apps bother you. But some of the Roms for E4GT has the built in ad block, it has its advantages when it comes to getting a free app or a paid app. Also the developers are very conscious of conserving battery usage in their roms make for longer charge in your phone. I think that alone with great developers showing their talents are worth the reason of rooting, along with the other reasons in this post.
I had the same question so here's the benefits of rooting this phone that I've found
When I rooted my Evo 4g, it got a lot faster, smoother, etc.. it was way better
I haven't found a ROM that's really faster per se.. but what I have found is ICS (which I actually love by the way), and just a generally more usable phone since the settings and what not are more customizable..
If you're not a "customizer" and aren't looking to try ICS now then I really wouldn't worry about... but this is from someone who got extremely good speed and battery life out of the stock phone... that's my $0.02
I really like the input you all gave. I went ahead and rooted, on Caulks Rom now, and so far enjoying it. Put Tiffany's theme (ICS with a little Honey) and it looks really sweet. Wanted to try customizing a bit... OOTB this phone is sick fast and overall just runs great! That is the biggest reason why I didn't want to bother rooting, but then I had a spare 15 minutes in my life yesterday and read your comments. I knew it only took about 5 mins to root, so I did it... So far seems great, runs fast, and looks sexy. I did like the Go Launcher though, but one of my favorite things (Go Launcher Notification) doesn't seem to work with the ROM I am running. Caulks Rom is ICS based, and I don't want to go back to Ginger, so I'll patiently wait for the GO team to fix this issue...
Anyway thanks again all! I made sure to thank all your comments.....I think...lol
Been a member here for many years, been into android for many years, but ive never had a phone thats as good as this.
i mean its fast, battery is amazing, i can do anything with it.
why should i go about rooting/rom it?
i can see the benefits from rooting, titanium back up, things like that.
but what do the roms really improve about the phone thats not already "perfect"
i may be only a week in with the note 2, but its flawless so far, i was so excited to root/rom it before i got it as i did with every other android i got, but once i experienced this , i really sat back and said why?
i think ill do the root for titanium, but thats it, unless someone can tell me what the huge benefit is to adding a custom rom .
lol no flames please, just being honest.
It's your call in the end.
Personally, I was hesitant to give it a custom ROM, considering I would lose S-Pen features. I even had a nandroid backup ready to put me back to TW if I remotely didn't like the custom ROM, and this was heavily researching and considering the ROM I'd like to use. What won me over was how much faster and smoother the phone became. Some may argue that that's relative as some can't tell the difference, but I did. I then found out I was able to overclock and undervolt, meaning faster/smoother phone and longer battery life. Another thing that did win me over was the 900mA charging ability via USB. With TW, I guess I had too much background processes running that plugging it in to USB just slowed down the drain. I'm now preparing to see if the 900mA charging ability holds up with the wireless charging mod.
I was surprised to notice that there is no official version of Lineage OS for the Pixel. Then looking around it just seems like there aren't that many ROMs for the Pixel. And I'm surprised to see that a year after release there still seem to be difficulties with root and using TWRP.
Am I right in perceiving that the Pixel has gotten less development interest than Nexus devices of the past? If so, why?
I ordered a Pixel 2 (to replace my Nexus 4--which has offical lineage support) and was assuming that it would get all the usual developer love that I've exeperienced in the past. Now I'm a bit worried that it will be difficult just to root it and do nandroid backups.
Thanks for any thoughts and observations.
I think they are having issues with the increased security and dual OS partitions. Will take some time.
scottjal said:
I think they are having issues with the increased security and dual OS partitions. Will take some time.
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Yeah, I saw that the dual partitions are an issue and the dm-verity check (don't quite understand what that is). But still, the Pixel has been out for a year. Nexus phones usually had tons of development by that point. I imagine if the devs were really into this phone there would be more interest. Especially the lack of official Lineage OS support, the most fundamental of all ROMs. There are unofficial versions of Lineage OS for the Pixel, so it works. I guess that's why I was starting to get the impression that the Pixel is not that popular with the devs (compared to past Nexus devices).
Price doesn't help either, I'm less likely to mess with a phone that costs a grand. Also prices it out of the hands of those that just want to tinker.
I also wonder how much baseline performance plays a role. The Pixel is really quite great out of the box, it's the first phone I've owned in recent times that I haven't had the desire to root, mod, rom, etc. custom roms are generally known to improve the end user experience, can't say that has been my experience on the Pixel and that's a big reason why I've decided stock is best for me.
mlin said:
I also wonder how much baseline performance plays a role. The Pixel is really quite great out of the box, it's the first phone I've owned in recent times that I haven't had the desire to root, mod, rom, etc. custom roms are generally known to improve the end user experience, can't say that has been my experience on the Pixel and that's a big reason why I've decided stock is best for me.
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For me ROMs have never been about performance, they are about features. They often have more privacy features and remove some of the pernicious behind the scenes stuff. There are more options for quick settings tiles. You can control the notification LED better. I don't want a total makeover; I'm happy with basically stock Android. But there are a lot of little things that are improvements to me. I guess this is why I especially like Lineage OS, since it is not a heavily modified OS. Also you sometimes get updates for security problems sooner (the once a month standard from Google is pretty lame--in Linux security patches are pushed out the day they are ready). As for rooting, it lets you use the iptables firewall in the Linux kernel and programs like adaway, as well as a root file manager (there are many times I find it useful to browse the system files); there is Titanium backup that is so much more powerful than any other backup tool that requires root; and a rooted device can also often get around issues with tethering. And having a custom recovery like TWRP allows nandroid backups, which have saved me from disaster so many times. So I think even on a phone like the Pixel, there's a lot to be gained from ROMs, rooting, minor mods, a custom recovery.
Anyway, I guess maybe it is just about the cost of the Pixel. Or perhaps the complexity of the dual partitions--are the Pixel phones the only ones that do this? I wonder what new phones get the most developer attention these days, if it's not the Pixels.
No, there's significantly less development, regardless of what a few users say (when I mentioned it a week ago after coming from a 6P, people were shocked when I said there's no development lol). I had to point out that 5 ROMs does not even compare to the 30 ROMs of the 6P.
At first, the pixel seemed like a downgrade to me. But after using it a week or so, it is a little smoother I got, and has better battery life, which is awesome. But those are about the only pros. Camera on mine is the same quality as the 6P, and I can't get used to the crappy downfiring speakers (last 2 devices had dual front facing).
All in all, it's an ok phone. It's about 2" taller than it should be, due to Google love affair with gigantic bezels. Haha. But sometimes using a bezeless phone one handed if tough, because your thumb can't reach the navbar.
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cb474 said:
For me ROMs have never been about performance, they are about features. They often have more privacy features and remove some of the pernicious behind the scenes stuff. There are more options for quick settings tiles. You can control the notification LED better. I don't want a total makeover; I'm happy with basically stock Android. But there are a lot of little things that are improvements to me. I guess this is why I especially like Lineage OS, since it is not a heavily modified OS. Also you sometimes get updates for security problems sooner (the once a month standard from Google is pretty lame--in Linux security patches are pushed out the day they are ready). As for rooting, it lets you use the iptables firewall in the Linux kernel and programs like adaway, as well as a root file manager (there are many times I find it useful to browse the system files); there is Titanium backup that is so much more powerful than any other backup tool that requires root; and a rooted device can also often get around issues with tethering. And having a custom recovery like TWRP allows nandroid backups, which have saved me from disaster so many times. So I think even on a phone like the Pixel, there's a lot to be gained from ROMs, rooting, minor mods, a custom recovery.
Anyway, I guess maybe it is just about the cost of the Pixel. Or perhaps the complexity of the dual partitions--are the Pixel phones the only ones that do this? I wonder what new phones get the most developer attention these days, if it's not the Pixels.
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While custom ROMs may not be about performance to you, I know that it is to others. I think there are a lot of variables at play, and I don't discount the out of the box experience as one of them. Take that custom ROMs are prone to decreased stability, especially with the Pixel and the argument for advantages of custom ROMs gets diminished fairly quickly. Unless of course you must have all the frivolous tweaks at the cost of stability and performance.
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I also wonder how much baseline performance plays a role. The Pixel is really quite great out of the box, it's the first phone I've owned in recent times that I haven't had the desire to root, mod, rom, etc. custom roms are generally known to improve the end user experience, can't say that has been my experience on the Pixel and that's a big reason why I've decided stock is best for me.
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I agree, this phone is pretty hard to improve on. I'm missing all the flashing and tweaking but I'm coming to the conclusion that stock is the ticket. The stock firmware doesn't feel like a compromise anymore, it feels like it works best. With payment via phone and bank accounts on board, security is also an issue I've not worried about before but I guess I need to deal with.
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While custom ROMs may not be about performance to you, I know that it is to others. I think there are a lot of variables at play, and I don't discount the out of the box experience as one of them. Take that custom ROMs are prone to decreased stability, especially with the Pixel and the argument for advantages of custom ROMs gets diminished fairly quickly. Unless of course you must have all the frivolous tweaks at the cost of stability and performance.
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I didn't say no one cares about performance. In fact, I only said that there are a lot of things ROMs do other than performance, so even if that issue is less with a phone like the Pixel, it hardly negates the many and varied reasons that people like ROMs. So I was just suggesting that reducing it all to performance as the fundamental issue, I think, oversimplifies how varied and complicated the custom ROM community of users and devs is.
Anyway, my main question in the OP wasn't really why do people like or dislike custom ROMs, nor was it do they think they are unnecessary for the Pixel. My main question was, do people think my perception is correct that devs are less interested in the Pixel than in past Nexus phones?
Personally, I believe not all developers are created equal. The pixel design and new os introduced complexities beyond the abilities of the cut and paste developer. The truly talented developers are either still hard at work or have concluded, no not worth it.
Who knows?
There are many roms out there. There are just not on xda anymore.
Development is just so much harder on the pixel, so we need to wait till the first running custom rom is out there so the other devs can pick from there. It's already been working hard on it.
Development is not so high cause a dev need the device and not every dev has the money to buy a 1000 $ device every year.
Hopefully some developers fell into some pixels when Google started giving them out as replacements for 6Ps. We'll have to wait and see.
I still suck at G+. I can't get the hang of how to search it for roms, or even how to actually get the rom, when I know a developer has one on their page. I wish Google could have tried out the service before they released it, maybe they would have noticed how difficult it can be - or maybe it's just the developers and how they organize their page...who knows.
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