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swtiching hsdpa and edge

i noticed that sometimes my phone lags when swtiching to hsdpa ...for instance loading a attachment or on opera it would take a minute then swtich to the H and immediatly start downloading but it lags to swtich sometimes and sometimes even cuts out. Any way of fixing the lag or swtiching? So that i can have faster connect swtich times per say.

rblover69 said:
i noticed that sometimes my phone lags when swtiching to hsdpa ...for instance loading a attachment or on opera it would take a minute then swtich to the H and immediatly start downloading but it lags to swtich sometimes and sometimes even cuts out. Any way of fixing the lag or swtiching? So that i can have faster connect swtich times per say.
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It could well be the network. Two things to be aware of:
- swapping between GSM/EDGE and UMTS+HSDPA requires the radio change modes. It's a bit like roaming to a whole different cell group.
- HSDPA is an extension to UMTS data, and is activated by the cell (if the client is capable) in very quick bursts, depending on the volume of traffic already queued for that client and on other users (I think I heard it was up to 10 users per channel). When things are busy you may not get any HSDPA at all. Or you may get it in short bursts that come and go quicker than the 'H' display is updated on your screen.

thats def true , ...but for some reason on my co workers phone he seems to connect quicker then me from my observations. Upon launching a program lets say mobi tv or any prgram requriing a higher speed connection where its avaible .My hangs for a minute then connects while his swtiches and connects almost isntantly. I was thinking if there are any mods regi edits persay to increase the swtiching code but guess thats not available.

Perhaps changing your network type from 'auto' to
'GSM 900+1800 , UMTS 2100'
or whichever your network uses. The device might be testing all frequencies when it is on auto??

thanks will try

try the new radio...143 that may help as well.

yea ima try 143 when i get home. I hate the delayed H. lol

Wifi or 3G connection, how to know?

I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!
I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.
It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.
Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.

No one in 50 people finds this to be a problem, strange...

There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..

jompao said:
I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!
I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.
It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.
Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.
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Hi, man.
I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.
Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.
For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.
Live Messenger can works to chat over Wifi, but if detects GPRS 3G connection, use this connection (bad done by M$). Try unconfig the connections and connect to wifi, you will chat over wifi, but the email sync don't work...M$ have done bad choice IMO.
Regards.

jcespi2005 said:
Hi, man.
I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.
Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.
For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.
Regards.
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Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?

gnick666 said:
There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..
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Do you think I'm stupid or what? I haven't been softresetting anything.. There is no button for disconnecting data connection in standard Comm Manger. This is not the issue anyhow, issue is how stupid can an OS be that uses an active 3G data connection when there is a wifi connection available at the same time... And if the wifi connection isn't working it notifies the user of that fact and informs it will switch to 3G data connection.
In other words how can the user know what connection is used. Only safe way seem to be to turn phone off in Comm Manager, which I will do forward on.
A logical system like iPhone will connect to wifi when available by itself. And I'm quite sure user is somehow notified of this fact.

There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit
And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)

In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.
Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!

agovinoveritas said:
In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.
Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!
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Well I did test and then checked only to see if I was charged any traffic and I wasn't so I thought it was fine. Apparently the charge is a bit delayed.. Well it's no fortune here, a little more then 1 dollar per MB. Still would be nice to clearly see when wifi and 3G is used, I use wifi at work and at home and don't want to switch phone part off.

gnick666 said:
There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit
And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)
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I'm trying to keep a clean installation of the official Swedish rom, been having problems with wake up on notifications when using other comm manager and HTC Home plugin. Off course it's no major problem to go to flight mode, just weird that one even has to think about it on a modern os...

jompao said:
Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?
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The only thing you can do to be sure only Wifi is ised is to select The Work Network in Connections, so no 3G connections to your operator is done....
If some app uses 3G before Wifi, the OS don't notify, how can the OS notify this? The OS have in the route table metric to use Wifi first, 3G after...
Regards.

GPRS-connection unstable

Hi Y´all!
Tried searching for this but no cigar so here goes:
I´m having periodic trouble maintaining a stable GPRS connection.
For example i start Opera & open a web page. GPRS connection is established. So far so good.
Then the site is kept open for perhaps 15 minutes without utilizing a link (i haven´t clocked it but it´s in that general vicinity).
Then i use a link, and get connection error, or perhaps minimize the browser and chek for new mail, and get sync. error.
In any case it is clear that the GPRS connection i dead. Then i go to the connection center and shut down the data connection (which indicates green - up&running).
Then i restart the GPRS connection, Either from activating a weblink or checking for mail or pretty much anything else that depends on the connection.
Then BINGO... GPRS is up and running again for another 15 minutes or so.
The fact that i had (and lived with) the same problem on my old Kaiser leads me to think that this may be about a setting somewhere in WinMO??
Is the connection perhaps "hibernating" if it isn´t used for a period??
And mainly: Does someone know howto fix it??
Perhaps i should add that i live in a small town in the arctic part of the world and we have no 3G/HDSPA coverage, There is only the GPRS connection. At home i use my private Wi-Fi link wich is humming along fine&nicely.
Please help
Polar67

It's like the xDSL connections that shut down after some time of inactivity. In a normal xDSL connection you have a possibility in the equipment of selecting an "Always ON" option that sends random packets to keep the Internet session from being shut down automatically by the BBRAS/DSLAM/RADIUS equipment.
In terms of mobile world I do not know if exist a similar way of doing it.

3G / HSDPA Selection

recently got my HTC Hero I am with Optus (Australia) all the time when it says 3G at the top of the screen the connection is terrible (speed tests are slow etc) however if that says H i get more bars and super fast connection
if i use just 2G its just plan slowand not usable for VOIP etc
I am wondering is there a command i set to say only use H which i am guessing HSDPA?
Thank you
OzJames

The phone automatically uses the best connection available to it.
If it's not showing H, you're not within range of HSDPA service.

check on the market and download an apps called "any cut".after u install it open it and create a short cut for phone info by tapping on create a shortcut then choose activity then phone info by scrolling down to the options that says phone info.now go back to the short cut created called phone info and open it and scoll down to set preffered network type.the phone has a default settings to wcdma preffered.tap on the pull down menu and choose wcdma only and press on the back key twice to go to the home screen .this keeps your connection on 3g or H but will reduce in areas you cant get 3g or H.WHEN YOU GET THESE CONNECTION PROBLEMS CHANGE IT TO GSM ONLY.hope this helps

bruzay said:
check on the market and download an apps called "any cut".after u install it open it and create a short cut for phone info by scrolling down to the options that says phone info.now go back to the short cut created called phone info and open it and scoll down to set preffered network type.the phone has a default settings to wcdma preffered.tap on the pull down menu and choose wcdma only and press on the back key twice to go to the home screen .this keeps your connection on 3g or H but will reduce in areas you cant get 3g or H.WHEN YOU GET THESE CONNECTION PROBLEMS CHANGE IT TO GSM ONLY.hope this helps
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I don't understand, what is the purpose of doing this?
Like I said above, the phone will always use the best connection available (unless you set it otherwise in the options). Why set it to WCDMA only?
If you're in range of HSDPA service, the phone will use it.
Maybe I'm missing something, but this makes as much sense to me as asking how you can download more RAM to your computer

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Maybe I'm missing something, but this makes as much sense to me as asking how you can download more RAM to your computer
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actually it would be like setting the computer up that it would only use a fast internet connection, and if it is slow not to use it at all. would be like connection fast -> page loads, connection slow -> page is not loaded at all.
hs(d/u)pa is an extension to the umts standard. if it is not available in the cell you are using there is nothing to do about it. if you have gsm with edge availabe that might even be faster than a bad 3g/umts connection, but that depends on many factors.

Works perfectly thank you
Its much more stable now
Cheers
ozJames

ozjames said:
Works perfectly thank you
Its much more stable now
Cheers
ozJames
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You're welcome

Heya, I'm also on Optus in Australia. The problem thatyou have described is actually really common with Optus users. Optus has way too many customers and have overloaded their system. A easy work around for a more stable connection is to change your APN from internet to yesinternet hope this helps.

Here's How to Toggle 3G On/Off on Tilt 2

I frequently used the Phone settings on my Treo 750 to turn off 3G in the Band settings tab when I wasn't browsing the web or downloading files. It extended my battery life tremendously. So I was bummed to see this tab missing in my new Tilt 2 Phone settings. Well, it's there, just hidden.
Navigate to
HLM\Software\OEM\Phone Setting\ShowUMTSBandPage
and change the default from 0 to 1. Now when you go into Settings/Personal/Phone the Band tab is exposed. To force GSM only and save battery, change the "Select your network type" drop down to 'GSM'. But here is where I need some guru help. When you try to OK this change you get the following message:
"If you change the bandset setting, the PDP context/Data call will be deactivated. Do you want to continue?"
I choose Yes and everything seems to be OK. The phone stays in GSM mode and I can still surf the web and get my push email and phone calls. To change back to 3G (if available in your area) just select 'Auto' in the drop down. You will again get that same warning...select Yes. Obviously you shouldn't ever select the WCDMA option.
Now, if you want to create a quick shortcut to that tab and add it to Mobile Shell or whatever UI you want, create a shortcut with this in the target line:
\windows\ctlpnl.exe cplmain.cpl,20,3
For those of you worried about the PDP warning, here is some info I found on PDP context. Maybe you can tell me what it means in english.
PDP (Packet Data Protocol) context is a data structure, which is created on both the SGSN and the GGSN of the GPRS core network and is used to contain the subscriber's session information when the subscriber has an active IP session over GPRS. When a GSM or UMTS mobile user wants to use GPRS, the handset must first attach and then activate a PDP context. The process will allocate a PDP context data structure in the SGSN that the subscriber is currently visiting and the GGSN serving the subscribers access point. The PDP context data structure will store the subscriber's IP address, the Subscriber's IMSI, the Subscriber's Tunnel ID (TEID) at the GGSN, the Subscriber’s Tunnel ID (TEID) at the SGSN, and the Subscriber’s tunnel ID (TEID) allocated by the GSN. Through the PDP context data structure, the GPRS core network knows how to route tunneled data between the mobile phone and the IP network (e.g. the Internet).

Well it sounds to me that when you are making that switch it is dumping your current session & aquiring a new one.
It would be nice ot hear what other believe would be possible consequences, but it sounds to me that if you had an active browser session (or phone call), you would lose it and in the case of the browser session any session variables or context about your web session would be lost & you would need to refresh your browser.

I have done this reg hack, and I never get that msg. I use gsm because it has a better signal where I am cause the 3G is just about dead till they put more cell towers up, but I can switch between auto and gsm, and hit ok, and I never have gotten that msg. I am using the tilt 2 on ATT.

OK, forget my original post because there is an easier way on the Tilt 2. I was browsing through all of the .exe's in the windows folder and ran across CMBandSwitching.exe. Just make a shortcut to this executable and there you have it.

U could do that, but I found that by sliding to settings/communications/phone and then scroll to the bottom you can choose band.

Don't worry about the PDP thing. All it does is force the phone to reestablish a data connection. If you had anything currently using data that will cut it off until it reestablishes the connection.

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U could do that, but I found that by sliding to settings/communications/phone and then scroll to the bottom you can choose band.
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Good find. I like to leave 3G off unless I actually need it

3G On/OFF
This is funny but my AT&T Tilt 2 in GSM mode or let's say when 3G is off has a better coverage!

nice find, but is there anyway to get this to work for CDMA users?

sorry, a neophite here, how do you "navigate" to HLM/...., do you mean regedit? and how to do that too? my phone is htc tilt 2--and thanks a lot!!

OMG Thank you! You don't know how much I resented not being able to disable the 3G band like I could with my Hermes. Like most people replying, I also have issues with 3G reception in my area and this was exactly what I needed. This should definitely be included in the tips/tricks sticky post.

Why dont you use the nice little function that HTC has put on the device?
This is what I did on my htc touch pro2:
Browse to Windows/ on your device, and run the program "CMBandSwitching"
Nice little program which allows you to toggle between Auto (3G), GSM, WCDMA, and change band freq.
Just Copy this program and paste a shortcut into your start menu.
Then you can also put a shortcut on your home screen.

or you could just use one of the many 3g com manager cabs floating around that lets you toggle 3g from the comm manager tab

just install NoData from Modaco and then you re set

I enabled the Band tab in Phone settings and now I can have better reception in a couple of areas where 3G has a very poor signal. Great...
Now, if I shutdown the phone or go to Airplane mode while GSM is enabled, on powerup or on coming out of Airplane mode the phone will again go to 3G. A quick check on the Band tab shows that GSM is selected, but the phone is in GSM.
Is there a way to make this selection actually survive a power down or Airplane mode?
Thanks!