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Lets see how fast MS will push an update now :)

now that we can sideload app's (something like a jailbreak)I am really interested how fast Microsoft will release his first wp7 update to fix this

ceesheim said:
now that we can sideload app's (something like a jailbreak)I am really interested how fast Microsoft will release his first wp7 update to fix this
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I have a suspicion MS wanted this hack out there. MS has never been much of a locked down company, like Apple is. So I see something like this happening with their blessing.

ceesheim said:
now that we can sideload app's (something like a jailbreak)I am really interested how fast Microsoft will release his first wp7 update to fix this
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They won't i think imo, Look at the Xbox, We get wave bans/Yearly updates even though they have teams following the forums for what's going on.
Jtags were aloud on-line for years until recently.
I'm just happy i have another device in C# so i can continue to make games and apps to make myself laugh.
MS thrive off hackers and modders imo telling them what's wrong and what people want without risking doing it themselves or overloading this first release scaring people off like the previous WM versions. it's all open source in a hackers mind, but the hacker can't sell the modified ROM can he , MS just release an update with more features*clever really*, where's the white line ? they just wait to see what's popular, same like FSD did for the xbox imo with all the media functionality.
*thats my 2pence *

The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios

adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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Same here. I like what MS is trying to do with WP7 but I fear the worse because Balmer isn't resolved like Jobs is.
Actually I don't think it really matters because what the Market is loaded with right now is pure crap. If MS lets this continue, forget about this platform surviving.

WP7 is great, I just have technophilia lol

adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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Don't worry WP7 won't die... ease of use/speed will not need to be sacrificed for outlook connectivity or some file access

Very true I mean the info. Is more secure on microsoft or Google server than it is on ur personal computer. Don't know why people are so scared of cloud based integration. It makes life a lot easier for people who dont wanna deal with syncing stuff on their own.
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MartyLK said:
Same here. I like what MS is trying to do with WP7 but I fear the worse because Balmer isn't resolved like Jobs is.
Actually I don't think it really matters because what the Market is loaded with right now is pure crap. If MS lets this continue, forget about this platform surviving.
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The reason the market is so flooded with rss readers and flashlight apps is because that is about all that is currently possible with the current api.
Allow multi tasking, access to the compass, side loading of files into apps and a whole world of app opportunity opens up

AceofSpades25 said:
The reason the market is so flooded with rss readers and flashlight apps is because that is about all that is currently possible with the current api.
Allow multi tasking, access to the compass, side loading of files into apps and a whole world of app opportunity opens up
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I didn't say "type" of app. I was talking about the quality of those apps and the devs who are crooks being allowed to post false and misleading apps.

mwako said:
They won't i think imo, Look at the Xbox, We get wave bans/Yearly updates even though they have teams following the forums for what's going on.
Jtags were aloud on-line for years until recently.
I'm just happy i have another device in C# so i can continue to make games and apps to make myself laugh.
MS thrive off hackers and modders imo telling them what's wrong and what people want without risking doing it themselves or overloading this first release scaring people off like the previous WM versions. it's all open source in a hackers mind, but the hacker can't sell the modified ROM can he , MS just release an update with more features*clever really*, where's the white line ? they just wait to see what's popular, same like FSD did for the xbox imo with all the media functionality.
*thats my 2pence *
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Just to clarify on the jtag thing, it was most definitly not years, more like weeks. When the first freeboot was released it was only a few weeks later which Microsoft made changes to ban anyone in a few hours after logging on live with a jtag. Sure you could use the king kong shader hack and run a bit of custom code long before freeboot but it was nothing amazing and you could not get online with the latest dash.
I think that Microsoft only really takes quick action when it poses a serious security threat, as with the jtag it allowed custom code and modified xex's to be run online whereas with just modded firmware you cannot, and modded firmware mostly just leads to piracy and a few cheaters with modded games. So as for WP7 at the moment I dont think that they will rush an update out just to patch up this hole.

Too much investment to let it die
adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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Hi all
I don't think M$ will let WP7 die. They've invested too heavily in it to let it go. I am in the minority camp here but I think that a lot of average users quite like what is on offer. I've shown my HTC Mozart to a few people who haven't ever used a smartphone and they were all "Wow! What is that? It looks amazing!"
I think it will do OK.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

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I didn't say "type" of app. I was talking about the quality of those apps and the devs who are crooks being allowed to post false and misleading apps.
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it's the same for any app store. iTunes app store probably has the same proportion of good apps to bad as does windows phone, it's just iTunes has 100 times more apps.

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
I don't think M$ will let WP7 die. They've invested too heavily in it to let it go. I am in the minority camp here but I think that a lot of average users quite like what is on offer. I've shown my HTC Mozart to a few people who haven't ever used a smartphone and they were all "Wow! What is that? It looks amazing!"
I think it will do OK.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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i've shown my phone to a bunch of iPhone users and they like it's look and feel. i don't have them throwing their iPhones away, but they definitely see it as a good phone and perhaps when it comes to them renewing their contracts (most of them have 3GS), they might think twice about just getting "another iPhone".

Where the hell all the talk of WP7 dying come from weeks after it's launch lol...
The marketplace is riddled with people rushing to get an APP out there. Will be like anything else every few days or so when we see a good app coming out.
Yipes.

adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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No the whole point of using Microsoft product is the way all their BUSINESS products offer tight and nice integration. I have no problems with cloud per say (I still don't trust them with security but that is just me I guess). Many people have invested heavily in Outlook and their work and life harmony depends of Outlook. Not giving them the ability to simply sync to Outlook is just pure lazyness. I am a software developer and I can see how they have taken simple route to eliminate sync issues.
You want ppl to use cloud contacts and calendar? Fine, ask Microsoft to first provide 50% of the available fields in Outlook! It's missing the most basic field such as Anniversary for a contact! The WP7 phone has that field but the Windows Live contact doesn't.

I doubt MS will rush to close this hole, if indeed, it's classed as a hole at all. Simple fact is, this sort of stuff is good for them, generally speaking. Particularly since they'll be able to block pirated apps from using live services, it deters piracy and promotes homebrew software to fill the gaps that would take them a lot of time and effort to fill. It's much more cost-effective to get a good base out there, and let the community pick up the slack and build on top of what they provide.
The fact is there are still other, much stronger protections that negate some of the traditional disadvantages a company may have with exploits of this kind. The protection that prevents people from porting WP7 to phones that have not had the licence paid for - means MS always gets their cash. The integration of the cloud also means they can detect pirated apps much more easily - for example, a Game accessing Xbox Live can have it's legitimacy checked server-side. Has that user purchased that game from the Marketplace? No? Deny them access. It adds a premium to staying genuine, and therefore, many will. That leaves the prime use for sideloading as homebrew, unverified software. Now, because it's unverified, they don't have to go to the trouble of supporting it, ensuring backwards compatibility as they move forward at a rapid pace, but yet their platform can still do *everything* it should be able to. And frankly, right now, MS know that profit is secondary to Market Share. A strong side-loading homebrew development scene can make serious inroads to the "open" environments that they are competing against, particularly Android.

The Gate Keeper said:
it's the same for any app store. iTunes app store probably has the same proportion of good apps to bad as does windows phone, it's just iTunes has 100 times more apps.
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Right now the WP7 app store is averaging 100%. The very first app I buy from this new store and it's false. That never happened with Android Market or iPhone App Store. But it is true, I need to give it time to get filled up. I'm just peeved at the bad del I got and the lack of a response from the money grabber.

MartyLK said:
Right now the WP7 app store is averaging 100%. The very first app I buy from this new store and it's false. That never happened with Android Market or iPhone App Store. But it is true, I need to give it time to get filled up. I'm just peeved at the bad del I got and the lack of a response from the money grabber.
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I thought all apps came with a trial period?

hounsell said:
I doubt MS will rush to close this hole, if indeed, it's classed as a hole at all. Simple fact is, this sort of stuff is good for them, generally speaking. Particularly since they'll be able to block pirated apps from using live services, it deters piracy and promotes homebrew software to fill the gaps that would take them a lot of time and effort to fill. It's much more cost-effective to get a good base out there, and let the community pick up the slack and build on top of what they provide.
The fact is there are still other, much stronger protections that negate some of the traditional disadvantages a company may have with exploits of this kind. The protection that prevents people from porting WP7 to phones that have not had the licence paid for - means MS always gets their cash. The integration of the cloud also means they can detect pirated apps much more easily - for example, a Game accessing Xbox Live can have it's legitimacy checked server-side. Has that user purchased that game from the Marketplace? No? Deny them access. It adds a premium to staying genuine, and therefore, many will. That leaves the prime use for sideloading as homebrew, unverified software. Now, because it's unverified, they don't have to go to the trouble of supporting it, ensuring backwards compatibility as they move forward at a rapid pace, but yet their platform can still do *everything* it should be able to. And frankly, right now, MS know that profit is secondary to Market Share. A strong side-loading homebrew development scene can make serious inroads to the "open" environments that they are competing against, particularly Android.
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Totally agree with the above.

[Q] Virus for Android phones, what do you think ?

I read on the web that virus for android exist. Is it really dangerous ? What do they do on the phone ? What can I do to protect my phone ?
Thanks
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well, they do exist...i remember some article at androidpolice.com which said google had to remove like 50 apps from the market because they had malware in them...
i use lookout mobile security on my phone to avoid any damage...its free on the market and has some usefull features beside the malware scanner

AFAIK and remember, they are like keyloggers, and sending security sensitve data, like passwords, settings etc. to not wanted people. (read it in the same article about those malware programs removed).
I say, as long as you download trusted programs, there should be no problem.

i think it is not right

If they're gonna make viruses, they might as well make them for Apple's overpriced iPhones. Not that HTC's or Droids are cheap, but at least the source code is free, collaborative and transparent. Best of all, Android takes to heart the concept of consumer choice.
For me, I make sure that Lookout is updated, and apps I download have at least 5,000 downloads and 500 or preferably more ratings, that way I can at least be assured to a certain degree that the app's legit.

Its a pain but very unlikely that you will get them anyway. You have to be stupid to get them. I personally don't run security apps because there is no point.
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Meaple said:
Its a pain but very unlikely that you will get them anyway. You have to be stupid to get them. I personally don't run security apps because there is no point.
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+1 to this. Read comments from apps before install and you'll be fine.

[Q] RuFraud - How do you identify if an app is malicious?

Hey Guys,
A lot of the mobilephone blogs today are buzzing with the RuFraud Malware that was detected by Lookout Mobile and later taken down by Google from Android Market. About 22 odd apps which included apps & games too. According to Google, the end-user can see the services the apps will use before installing it in Permissions, but I usually don't go through them while installing as do most other end-users.
Now my concern is, if I've installed one of these "malicious" apps without knowledge and I want to detect that and delete them off the phone, is there any way to do so? I've performed a full-scan (SD card also) with avast! Mobile Security BETA (which btw, is kickass) but it hasn't detected anything.
I could also go through the Privacy Advisor feature on it, but that would mean me checking one-app-at-a-time which may take a while seeing as I have over 400 apps.
Anyway to detect the malware that apparently sends bulk premium SMS and racks up a huge bill? I don't have premium TXT enabled on my service since I am on Prepay & usually don't send any premium TXT but it would be nice knowing that my phone is malware free.
Any inputs would be appreciated.

well, i don't do any banking on my phone, i'm on pay as you go with the BEST mobile network...Three.co.uk...so i just whack on 15 quid a month and get unlimited everything......so i personally couldn't give a to** if any malware get's on my phone....
....nothing to get off my phone, unless they like sexy birds dressed in santa outfits, then i'm screwed, coz i'll cry if i lose them
I'd say, chill, don't be too paranoid.....b4 you download and install, look at reviews of apps......if it's only recently been uploaded to market and has no/not many reviews....google it first.
I allegedly have warez markets on my phone....allegedly.....and have never had a problem.
All I use my phone for is 99.999999% of the time browsing bulls**t on the web, messing about with fun apps, very rarely use texting or calls......so not worried.
But if your one of those that uses your phone for business/work/banking/etc...and have credit/debit cards stuff stored on there, then google the f**k out of any new app with no or few reviews....get 4,000 different virus and malware scanners on there.
Oh god, i'm dronning on and don't even know what i'm talking about now....arrghhhhh.
matt

w3bhax said:
Hey Guys,
A lot of the mobilephone blogs today are buzzing with the RuFraud Malware that was detected by Lookout Mobile and later taken down by Google from Android Market. About 22 odd apps which included apps & games too. According to Google, the end-user can see the services the apps will use before installing it in Permissions, but I usually don't go through them while installing as do most other end-users.
Now my concern is, if I've installed one of these "malicious" apps without knowledge and I want to detect that and delete them off the phone, is there any way to do so? I've performed a full-scan (SD card also) with avast! Mobile Security BETA (which btw, is kickass) but it hasn't detected anything.
I could also go through the Privacy Advisor feature on it, but that would mean me checking one-app-at-a-time which may take a while seeing as I have over 400 apps.
Anyway to detect the malware that apparently sends bulk premium SMS and racks up a huge bill? I don't have premium TXT enabled on my service since I am on Prepay & usually don't send any premium TXT but it would be nice knowing that my phone is malware free.
Any inputs would be appreciated.
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Best advice is to look at the permissions the app wants. You say mist end users don't, well then they get what they deserve really. Not being mean its just that if you keep important info in your phone then you should be more careful about what you install as a simple uninstall may not remove any malware that was installed by the app. This reason is a huge deal for Android users. Too many people wanting simple and easy and well we all know Linux based OS are neither

zelendel said:
Best advice is to look at the permissions the app wants. You say mist end users don't, well then they get what they deserve really. Not being mean its just that if you keep important info in your phone then you should be more careful about what you install as a simple uninstall may not remove any malware that was installed by the app. This reason is a huge deal for Android users. Too many people wanting simple and easy and well we all know Linux based OS are neither
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Yeah, I hear you. I usually don't check permissions cuz I install apps & uninstall them after I'm done with them. For eg: a game, etc. So yeah. I did find my Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit app that I paid for on Market, infact has SMS permissions. It says "malicious apps may send SMS to premium numbers" lol when I downloaded this app, it said the dev was Electronic Arts too.

[Q] Mobile Security...?

I've read an article recently (forgot the link and where, my memory is horrible) stating that creators of viruses (Malware specifically if i remember correctly.) are starting to focus in on the Android OS more and more ...
Windows gets major viruses because its easy to write viruses for, and the amount of people possible to infect is outrageous.
People don't usually write for OS's like Linux/Unix because its more difficult and they don't affect as many users...
I know most responses to these types of questions are "It's a matter of opinion", so I'm looking for responses from people that know a little something about malware, how it works, and what will work best to protect my Samsung Galaxy S2 Epic 4G Touch.
I want to know what experienced programmers and developers think the best Mobile Security would be for our android devices.
I don't care about how much system resources it uses.
I've been using ESET Mobile Security as the 30 day trial and i likes its options. Plus, it has advanced heuristics, which helps catch viruses that are not in the virus definitions received when updating.
I'm looking for an antivirus that has a high detection rate, but low false-positives. I did some research and it was found that Avast! is one of the most trusted, plus its free. But i also go by the motto "You get what you pay for"...
Another thing I want is an antivirus that will protect Operah Mobile, and not just the stock browser. Avast seems to only protect the default browser.
Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

In my opinion it's not worth it to run antivirus on our phone unless you are going to be doing alot of piracy of apps .... If you only get apps from market Google catches must stuff t really fast .... Read descriptions on apps you download and don't pirate games and such you should never need avast out such to slow down your phone ...
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Epix4G said:
In my opinion it's not worth it to run antivirus on our phone unless you are going to be doing alot of piracy of apps .... If you only get apps from market Google catches must stuff t really fast .... Read descriptions on apps you download and don't pirate games and such you should never need avast out such to slow down your phone ...
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I use my phone for both business and recreational use. If i get a movie file sent to me from a friend and i don't know where he got it from, i want some kind of protection.
I understand that an antivirus on Android phones is usually an overkill... But i will be kicking myself in the ass if a password to my email ends up being compromised.
I understand that Android phones hardly ever have apps that contain viruses, but based upon that article i ready (I really wish i'd have kept it) its becoming a problem, although not a big problem.
I just want to be protected. For all i know, i could open an excel spreadsheet that i received from a spoofed email address that contains a virus.
You see my dilemma.... So lets start talking about which anti viruses are the most effective.
Regardless,
Thanks for you response.

Anything malicious can only be in the form of an app, because of the Linux structure. Permissions have to be enabled for any R/W access. So the prior recommendation of staying away from pirated apps will suffice.
Also, news articles prey on sensationalism to encourage reading the article. Don't believe everything you read.
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What the last person said!!! If you get a movie file that has a virus most likely its written for windows anyway and will not do anything to you're phone. Also no movie file, pic file, or file in general can gain permissions that the app using it does not have. So the biggest thing is making sure the apps you download are legit.
There are a few bugs and flaws like with htc sense where a malicious app can gain access to things because HTC sense logs things it should not. TW does not have those problems now that CIQ is gone.
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I don't run any kind of anti-virus. Even on my PC. If you stay away from anything shady, keep a throwaway gmail account for anything online you're not 100% sure about and pay attention to where things are coming from, you'll be all set. Unless there is some reason that somebody would want to hack into your phone specifically, then it's just random crap that will hurt you. If you don't know where the movie file your friend send you came from, don't open it.

Ok. So everything that you guys said I about apps being the main way to get infected, I completely agree on.
But what about websites? I'm sure sites, especially mobile websites, have some kind of way to get in through some type of Malware/spyware.
The best way to never get a virus is to watch where you download from and be wary of any sites you go to. I know this. But i use my phone frequently, browse the internet frequently, and I know that all kinds of sites have crap on them. All of them can't JUST be for windows OS. What about websites that specialize in stuff for Android phones?
Also... Can't QR Codes from websites contain malicious things?
Call me paranoid. Call me OCD. But i like things a certain way and i'm just trying to find out what I can do to ensure nothing happens on my phone that i don't approve of.

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Also... Can't QR Codes from websites contain malicious things?
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I don't really think so, since it's basically pointing you to a webpage. If it points to an app you have to choose to install it from there.
It's very hard (if the end user pays attention) to actually give someone a virus.
If your downloading all your apps legit from the 'Play store' you're going to be fine 99% of the time.
I think the worst we have seen so far is status bar spam anyhow.

The only thing that an antivirus is gonna do is use up more memory on your phone.

So what you guys are telling me is...
#1 Antiviruses of any kind for an Android Phone are completely useless.
#2 These companies wrote Antivirus/Security Apps.... FREE, for no reason.
#3 Their is no possibility of anything getting infected when connecting your device to a PC or Mac.
Well. I guess I was being either way too paranoid, or you guys are wrong and don't even consider the fact that you could already be infected. I mean, how would you even know your phone hasn't been compromised and people are waiting for you to make a credit card purchase? If they want it, do you think they'd advertise it and TELL you or let it be KNOWN they've written something for it? No. They will keep it quiet so they can steal your information without you knowing it. I mean, We can't even get updates on unreleased ROMS! How do you think the hacker community deals with the viruses that they create? Make a forum about it and let Norton add it to its virus definitions? As I've said, i read an article about it, and where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
There are exploits on every device out there. I don't care what it is. People just don't take the time to write them all if the user base isn't big enough to justify the effort. But it doesn't mean they aren't out there.
Did you know gas pumps have been tampered with to save debit card transactions, along with PIN numbers, and then downloaded wirelessly by the criminal via laptop? This was not a small amount of numbers, either.
Sh*t, i didn't even know my gmail got hacked until i checked my sent box and saw spam messages being sent from my account.
I guess this is why people say it is a matter of opinion.
Didn't mean to start a "Politics" type of debate.
I will just keep using ESET Mobile Security since that is what I deem fit.
Thanks for all of your guys's input.

Most virus for Android will request su permissions to actually do any real. Damage considering only a small portion of. The Android users ever. Root their devices the time it takes to write a virus is almost wasted by the cracker, not hacker as hackers are actually coders crackers are the malicious form of hackers, coming from cracking the securities/passwords to steal info, and most ppl who root know what to look for and what to do if they get infected.. Mobile security companies don't write their apps for free, they get ad revenue from the ads in the free apps or you pay 1-10$ to get rid of ads so nothing is. Done for free, the worst virus ever created for Android was CiQ as it logged and sent almost everything you did on your device to who knows what 3rd party companies. So more or less your best antivirus for Android is you
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They are "tampering" with credit cards at gas pumps and ATMs, by creating a separate magnetic reader and putting it over top of the reader already present. Not by any software hacking.
No one has said that PC's and Macs are immune from malicious apps.
GNu/Linux is a completely separate security suite vs a PC.
On a PC, any app that is "clicked" will immediately have access to the registry. By which you can change user permissions and application permissions. And the filesystem is immediately available to do whatever the code wants to do. And by proxy, any file accessed by the application also has no limitation to the damage it can wreak. That's how mp3's carry viruses. They are attached to files that would normally have access to the more secure registry keys. Firewalls are made to limit access to the registry. That is a necessity and why people trust security programs. Their software requires it.
Whereas, in Linux, the kernel is seperated from the OS and applications are kept in a sandbox completely seperate from the OS's filesystem. You have to physically allow "permissions" which dictate how far that application can reach. Files do not have any R/W access to the filesystem. The OS just reads and views them. It is not impossible to get in this way, but it is highly unlikely and no known exploits have been found in the wild.
So for anything malicious, you are allowing the corruption, and the only way to know is to only deal with trusted sources.
And to answer your question, Security companies make the software because they can. They are making ad revenue just for you loading the app. And it helps with piece of mind having a repository of known malicious apps. No one has said they aren't what they are advertised, they are. But they are also resource hogs, and unneeded if you understand what is going to be bad content.
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I hear what you guys are saying. As far as security for an Android phone goes, just be careful and don't install anything from anywhere that you don't trust.
But like i said.... What about when connecting your phone to your PC? Couldn't something be laying dormant on a windows machine and infect an android device? I'll just be paying more attention to what i allow super user permissions to. (Not that i don't already)
Since the vital portion of the OS are kept separate or are "sandboxed" in a way... I will have to ALLOW these things, before they cause damage, right? Or did i already "allow" them when i installed the app and agreed to all of the things they have access to? Like when it sais "This app can read call history, access contacts, etc" ... I know that some apps i install seem to have access to things that have nothing to do with its functionality. Like why would a game need access to Contacts?
I think i ran across some kind of security app that has a firewall that will restrict outgoing and incoming connections for any app. I will probably just use something a long those lines to ensure none of my sensitive information is leaving the phone.
Thanks again! These are the responses that i was looking for.

exitprogram said:
I think i ran across some kind of security app that has a firewall that will restrict outgoing and incoming connections for any app. I will probably just use something a long those lines to ensure none of my sensitive information is leaving the phone.
Thanks again! These are the responses that i was looking for.
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This APP is actually an antivirus w/firewall. Its Avast. Its free.
I think the "Freeze" option in Titanium Backup would have a similar effect, but you have to pay for that feature.
Even if your not concerned with getting a virus... At least you can control the data that apps send to and from your phone.
It also could be helpful if you download an app a buddy said his friend created and your a little paranoid about it. Or if the app isn't available from your carriers market and you need to download it by other means.
Anyway. This should suffice as far as the security i (was) looking for.
Now i know viruses can't just run rampant on Linux/Unix based system like Android. But JUST IN CASE, i will restrict all apps from communicating to the outside world using that firewall =)
You guys have been very helpful and very informative and even refrained from being d*cks .... Amazing! =)
Thanks guys.

security
what about security from another person hacking into the phone. I have a disgruntled ex-wife that constantly hacks into my phone, fowards my texts and email to people and displays pictures of her for me to see when I turn my phone on. How do I stop this? to me this is much more important than a virus. A phone can always be wiped clean, but a hacker can still get in.
Jerry

jjdellorusso said:
what about security from another person hacking into the phone. I have a disgruntled ex-wife that constantly hacks into my phone, fowards my texts and email to people and displays pictures of her for me to see when I turn my phone on. How do I stop this? to me this is much more important than a virus. A phone can always be wiped clean, but a hacker can still get in.
Jerry
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Did you try calling the cops? That's more than one law she's breaking.

Take a look at this
Http://www.itworld.com/security/267484/android-apps-dont-need-permission-see-your-data
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Also for your reviews check this one out
www.droid-life.com/2012/03/07/over-...nly-7-have-malware-detection-rate-of-over-90/
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A new Nexus 7 user desperately seeking advice:

Ok,
The nexus 7 is my very first tablet that I bought last week.
I need to keep Google at bay to some degree and guard my privacy. My tablet is not rooted but I need a top notch privacy application.
A link to an xda post about the best Nexus 7 apps would be nice too.
I chose the Nexus 7 to avoid the Vendor bloatware/crud but Google had movie, books and other crud to remove. Sheesh!

klepto said:
Ok,
The nexus 7 is my very first tablet that I bought last week.
I need to keep Google at bay to some degree and guard my privacy. My tablet is not rooted but I need a top notch privacy application.
A link to an xda post about the best Nexus 7 apps would be nice too.
I chose the Nexus 7 to avoid the Vendor bloatware/crud but Google had movie, books and other crud to remove. Sheesh!
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(You should have posted in General or Q/A Thread about this) but what exactly are you looking for? Everyone seems to be worried about Google's Privacy issues, and I'm not sure why.

Movies and books are a big reason why people buy tablets..
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You can just disable them if you want.

Opethsgh747 said:
Movies and books are a big reason why people buy tablets..
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And in my opinion Google's apps work pretty well anyways.
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klepto said:
Ok,
The nexus 7 is my very first tablet that I bought last week.
I need to keep Google at bay to some degree and guard my privacy. My tablet is not rooted but I need a top notch privacy application.
A link to an xda post about the best Nexus 7 apps would be nice too.
I chose the Nexus 7 to avoid the Vendor bloatware/crud but Google had movie, books and other crud to remove. Sheesh!
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I share your sentiments. Unfortunately it is hard to do without rooting.
If you don't want your calendar and contacts on Google, be sure to turn off "sync" in their settings. Turn off sync in all apps you don't want to share with the world. Use Adaway app.
Avoid Google searches and use DuckDuckGo or Ixquick instead.
LBE security suite, firewall apps (I use Avast but there are others) help.
Look at Xposed Framework installer (there's an xda thread) and the XPrivacy Module.
Hope this helps.

Anderson2 said:
I share your sentiments. Unfortunately it is hard to do without rooting.
Look at Xposed Framework installer (there's an xda thread) and the XPrivacy Module.
Hope this helps.
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I heard that there are some risks involved with that application I broke down and rooted my Nexus 7 and installed AppOpsX. Is the app you suggest much better?

Not familiar with with Appopsx. Sorry.
Have had no problems with what I recommended.

Anderson2 said:
Not familiar with with Appopsx. Sorry.
Have had no problems with what I recommended.
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Xprivacy is excellent but as soon as I enabled the module SuperSu went nuts and wouldn't allow root access for other apps.

Interesting. Doesn't do it on my Nexus 7 2013 with Android 4.3. Maybe something on KitKat.

I would suppose so as I enabled shell access with Xprivacy.. I'll keep testing.. It's too great to give up on.

Xprivacy is great, it is working fine with Cyanogenmod 11. I have to tweak it every now and then but it is far and above better than any privacy based app I've ever used.

Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat. Lol.

Out of curiosity, what exactly are you worried about?

Actually it should be obvious, if you go to your Google account via desktop Google has a log of where you have been via GPS. It has voice prints from Google Now, it keeps wifi passwords and much much more. I don't work for Google so I don't know how trustworthy they are with other people's data. I wouldn't want any company to have all my information at their fingertips.
Some companies sell your information, others use it to profile you so that they can show ads that are closer to your liking. Trust is everything.

@klepto You can close location reporting, and it won't have a log of where you've been. I don't know what a "voice print" is, but google now is all about collecting information about you, i know this answer is frustrating but if you want privacy don't use google now. It keeps wifi passwords for your convenience, who would google sell your wifi password, your neighbour? Every company you ever used have all information you give them at their fingertips, but they cannot use it as they like because you are protected by law, you are not trusting and you shouldn't trust any company, you are trusting the law. As for the OP, first decide which information you want to hide from them, for example are you trying to hide your searches, or your messages etc, then search/use the app that hides it. There is a project like this if you are interested: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375

klepto said:
Actually it should be obvious, if you go to your Google account via desktop Google has a log of where you have been via GPS. It has voice prints from Google Now, it keeps wifi passwords and much much more. I don't work for Google so I don't know how trustworthy they are with other people's data. I wouldn't want any company to have all my information at their fingertips.
Some companies sell your information, others use it to profile you so that they can show ads that are closer to your liking. Trust is everything.
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It's hardly important, or a big deal though. If you're concerned about what they do/can do with the data, read their policies.

Dan1909 said:
It's hardly important, or a big deal though. If you're concerned about what they do/can do with the data, read their policies.
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I agree with the OP. Many others do too. Privacy may be a thing of the past but one can try.
When identify theft becomes more rampant than it already is, more effective privacy laws will probably be enacted. Till then, some of us prefer to lock our home's front doors - even though we are well aware that they can be kicked open. Not everyone has joined the Facebook groupies who share all their private moments for all to see.

Anderson2 said:
I agree with the OP. Many others do too. Privacy may be a thing of the past but one can try.
When identify theft becomes more rampant than it already is, more effective privacy laws will probably be enacted. Till then, some of us prefer to lock our home's front doors - even though we are well aware that they can be kicked open. Not everyone has joined the Facebook groupies who share all their private moments for all to see.
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I agree with you though, privacy is important.
However, the information google use/take isn't ever going to cause an issue to my life, so there's no reason for me to get worked up worrying about nothing. So what if they have some records of where I've been, or any wifi passwords I've let them save, what negatives can actually happen arising from that?
Fair enough if it's just a matter of principle, but there's no actual need to worry about anything happening.

Dakura said:
@klepto You can close location reporting, and it won't have a log of where you've been. I don't know what a "voice print" is, but google now is all about collecting information about you, i know this answer is frustrating but if you want privacy don't use google now. It keeps wifi passwords for your convenience, who would google sell your wifi password, your neighbour? Every company you ever used have all information you give them at their fingertips, but they cannot use it as they like because you are protected by law, you are not trusting and you shouldn't trust any company, you are trusting the law. As for the OP, first decide which information you want to hide from them, for example are you trying to hide your searches, or your messages etc, then search/use the app that hides it. There is a project like this if you are interested: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
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The problem with that thinking is that 1 your expecting them to obey the laws and 2 you don't know what level of protection they or their partners that they share your info with have in place, and how easily it can be uses to steal your identity. What is a internet the if "is" your neighbor we give out our email address freely with that if they hax Google they can now remotely access your WiFi and put a keystroke logger on your network. Sounds a bit far fetched but just think just because you live in a good neighborhood don't you still lock your doors at night?
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