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The video quality is not very good. I was under the impression (from reviews) before I bought my Desire that it would record at close to 30 frames per second (fps), but I'm only getting frame rates of 13 - 16fps which is brutal. My nokia used to record at 28 - 30fps.
Was I wrong to think the Desire would do 30fps? I know the HD recording was not coming etc, but I thought 30fps was standard.
brutal.
It is standard alright. My Nokia N95 8GB from 3 years ago took much smoother videos @30FPS. Hell, even an LG Viewty from 3 years ago can record at 120FPS and that's not even a smartphone.
We're getting 720P recording so i'm assuming they will fix the FPS issue aswell with the video recording. If they don't then I can only imagine how slow 720P recording will be.
I've noticed the same thing and am quite annoyed about it. I've realised through testing that the brighter it is, the higher the fps is. I got it up to 20fps today outside but indoors its more like 10fps even when using lower resolutions. Maybe the reviewers should have tested this rather than just quoting the specs.
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We're getting 720P recording
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what do u mean by this? is it sure that the desire will be able to record videos at 720p?
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what do u mean by this? is it sure that the desire will be able to record videos at 720p?
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The Snapdragon CPU supports 720P encoding and decoding hat and apparently HTC confirmed that DivX and 720P recording will be coming to the Desire in an update.
Let's hope they keep their word.
Yeah I agree, the reviewers should have done their homework instead of 'guessing' the stats. I guess they thought it impossible that the Desire could have anything less than 30fps. The Nexus one is listed as 20fps minimum rate. Is it really faster than Desire?
GSM arena who are normally very reliable had 30fps as the Desire recording rate until recently. now its 15fps on their Desire stats page.
I would not even be bothered if HTC don't bring in HD video recording, once they at least bring 30fps at 800x480. I mean its a 1ghz phone with plenty of RAM, this should be a piece of pie for it to handle. My nokia had a 300mhz chip and 128mb of RAM and did it no problem. (640x480 @ 30fps)
Well personall I think the video recording is pretty good. Its definately better than my old Xperia X1.
10 - 15fps is 'passable' but not very good in real world terms. Certainly not on a cutting edge 1ghz phone thats capable (hardware wise) of recording 720p at 30fps. I used to get 30fps video from my old N82 and its more fluid than on the Desire. As I say, its passable on Desire, but I think 30fps is pretty much the accepted minimum for the past while. Lets hope it comes in an update.
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Let's hope they keep their word.
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Well, hope dies last. HTC and their word... Have a look at Hero topic, and search for the so called 2.1 update for Hero. Shame on HTC!
Sorry for the offtopc.
Hero update is near, as a matter of fact (tweet this week from HTC Benelux director).
I think this is a software limitation slowing the exposure on low light to brighten the image. it'd be nice to be able to adjust this feature though.
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well personall i think the video recording is pretty good. Its definately better than my old xperia x1.
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can u upload on youtube any samples as i am thinking of updating to desire from x1 as well in a week's time
there are alot of Desire made videos on youtube already. just do a search. They look 'ok', some of them, but the original files are still only about 16 - 18 fps at best! 30fps nakes the video seem more fluid. You'd really need to compare side by side to see the difference I mean. (I attached 30fps nokia clip at bottom. WOW for the difference. very obvious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnxcfjq3QvE (desire at 15fps)
and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRpOSP0U-o (desire at 15fps)
and now compare to the lower res 640x480 Nokia but filmed at almost double frame rate of 30fps. Very fluid and sharp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojt5LS4LFZc (Nokia X6 at 30fps)
I think alot of people will be impressed and happy enough with this level of video recording. I was just irked as I expected 30fps and thought that was pretty much the minimum on new phones now.
thx . i think the vid qlty is gud on desire .... hmmmm .... better than x1 anywayz by the looks of it
My N95 8GB outperforms the Desire in video recording. What's the point in a high res video camera if it records at 15fps?
I get 12fps indoors... haven't seen higher in over 50 recordings. Colour reproduction is also off. N95 sure does beat the pants off it in this area.
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How do you tell what frames per second you're getting? Can't seem to find anything in the phone that will tell me.
Well now there is root acces. So this means we can put custom roms on our decvice and/or we can adjust the build.prop so we can also adjust the camera settings...
Personally I think there is no need to worry. Just have patience
Cheers Bart. Patience it is.
Meson1 I use a codec analyser like 'gspot' to look at the details and properties of the video files. If you use Windows 7 you can also just click on the file in explorer and it displays the frame rate and associated details at the bottom of screen.
Its easier to just long press the video and select details to see the frame rate and other info.
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Okay, so I know absolutely nothing about ROMs, so this is mostly a question of if this is possible:
Currently, the EVO's 720p video recording is lackluster. I find that the biggest reason for this is the bitrate of the video used. I imagine that the bitrate used on the video was to accommodate the included microSD card's Class 2 write speed.
Is it possible to increase the bitrate used for encoding of this video, to something ~5mbps, to which a Class 6 microSD could handle just fine? Ideally this could even be implemented as an option in the camera app, so that those who don't have/can't afford a class 6 microSD could still use the ROM.
If that is possible, what are the chances of having the video also record using a different audio codec? The current codec used is pretty much impossible to play back in anything except Quicktime (VLC's latest release candidate just added support, but it still sounds awful, like a pack of hyenas on top of the track). I'm really not particular on what audio codec is actually used; be it mp3, ogg, etc, as long as it's more easily played.
The best case scenario, the DREAM EVO ROM for camera capability for me, would be:
1. At least double the bitrate (4-5mbps) for the 720p video with an option to use old settings.
2. A better audio codec using higher quality settings (minimum 64kbps mp3/ogg/similar) that is playable in many more programs.
3. A more compatible container format like mp4/m4v.
Am I dreaming or would this be possible in a custom ROM?
Don't forget it will also be limited to how fast the hardware can encode the video. Someone with the right skills will have to push the hardware encoder to see how high they can push the bitrate without exceeding real time.
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Don't forget it will also be limited to how fast the hardware can encode the video. Someone with the right skills will have to push the hardware encoder to see how high they can push the bitrate without exceeding real time.
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Yes, there might be hardware limitations, that's sort of what I'm asking; if this is something that can be "fixed" in a ROM or if we're stuck.
I think as long as it can handle the bandwidth though, I don't see why the chip would be incapable of higher bitrates. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I thought that the less compression/higher bitrate something is, the less power was required to make it happen.
well im pretty sure this is possible, if a dev puts the time and effort into such a large project. i only say this cause the nexus one recently got 720p video recording, something it didnt have from the start. and i think its known that htc made the video recording compressed, so i think theoretically if we lift this compression and use a different form of compression, we can get higher bitrates from the video.
Yeah, I'm hoping a developer can investigate this thoroughly. Even if it takes a while, it'd be nice to know someone is at least looking into it.
And to make it worth their while, I'd be more than willing to pitch some donation funds towards such a project when it becomes successful. I doubt I'd be the only one as well.
I was wondering this also. I'm not up on the technical aspects of this, but I was also wondering if the 720p could be improved through software fix/ROM development? I agree also that I'm sure a lot would be willing to donate for such a fix.
I'm sure eventually we will get a better cam, i mean look at the how the nexus got 720p video
You can easily get 720p at 60FPS... The snapdragon can support it.
i would most certainly donate for this improvment
yup i would donate as well
we just dont have as lively a development community as the nexus yet, but we will in time - we;re gaining momentum fast
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You can easily get 720p at 60FPS... The snapdragon can support it.
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Is that encoding or decoding? And at what bitrate?
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Is that encoding or decoding? And at what bitrate?
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Go look at the Nexus One forum... They've got up to 1080p capture.
Realistically though, it seems silly to rely on our phones to capture HD video. I have a G9 that does that task quite handily.
All I could find was 720p capture at 20fps and a max bitrate of 12Mb, which is plenty.
This is interesting, I'd like to see this happen as well.
I'll do what I can in terms of research.
Better low-light pictures too, if at all possible
What do you think, is HTC going to give us some of that HD recording goodness? If they don't sure enough someone here is going to figure a way to port it
2.2 will bring HD
Froyo HD lol
720 should be implimented, it will definately boost sales with a feature like that in a camera phone
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What do you think, is HTC going to give us some of that HD recording goodness? If they don't sure enough someone here is going to figure a way to port it
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we already know the desire is capible of 720p video recording, once we get our new radio with froyo is shud be pretty simple
I saw the news in http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/droid-incredible-ota-update-said-to-be-bringing-mobile-hotspot/ and really got exited that there is a good chance that we gonna see 720p video recording on our desires.
btw I saw a difference between Desire's and Incredible's camera - the later has a 8 megapixels camera. I know this won't stop htc to put hd video recording in desire, but it is a reason not to. Let's hope not.
HD is useless unless FPS can stay at 25+ ALL THE TIME regardless of light conditions.
Audio quality should be vastly improved, ditch the 2005-ish AMR-codec...
Bitrate for video should at least be doubled to get rid of blocking...
the 5 Mgb camera is 720P capable ...
When a Device doesn't record @ 720 it's because of it's CPU , and since the snapdragon is capable of that , then WE would get it via update...
( as the nexus one did )
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I saw the news in http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/droid-incredible-ota-update-said-to-be-bringing-mobile-hotspot/ and really got exited that there is a good chance that we gonna see 720p video recording on our desires.
btw I saw a difference between Desire's and Incredible's camera - the later has a 8 megapixels camera. I know this won't stop htc to put hd video recording in desire, but it is a reason not to. Let's hope not.
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Devs have already got 720p video recording working one the nexus one with froyo and we have exactly the same camera as them
720p is just a number, I'd prefer 480p with higher quality...
Hd videos from nexus one doesn't look so stunning, the camera sensor just sucks... and I think it's the same as on our Desire.
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720p is just a number, I'd prefer 480p with higher quality...
Hd videos from nexus one doesn't look so stunning, the camera sensor just sucks... and I think it's the same as on our Desire.
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for starters 420p dosent qualify as hi def and 2nd its more than just a number it denotes the amount of pixels 720p = 1280x720 witch is obviously a much higher quality/resolution than 420p (704x480) so wtf lol
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for starters 420p dosent qualify as hi def and 2nd its more than just a number it denotes the amount of pixels 720p = 1280x720 witch is obviously a much higher quality/resolution than 420p (704x480) so wtf lol
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let me try and put it a bit different,
me, and the op, would rather have GOOD SD quality than crappy HD, people tend to asume that HD is all about the resolution, it's not, it's a lot more about bit rate.
say you have [email protected] and [email protected], witch one is going to look better? 480p, why? cos you are using 8mbit to store less pixel so less compression, to call something HD in my book you need 1080/720p, and at least 12 mbit for 720p, and 18 Mbit for 1080p
Hm idont quiet agree with you.
HD IS (not ALL!) about resolution. Thats why today everything with HD sells. People see HD, and think its great. But as you said its more about the image quality itself.
But its not a very fair comparison between 480 and 720p you made. SUre 480 looks better, but on a smaller screen (with native res.) but if you have a bigger screen, 480p has to bee scaled up, or stretched and then it looks maybe identical or even worse to the 720p Video.
Not to say that i would appreciate the innovation that the Desire gets 720p recording at a very usable bitrate :/
I hope you get my point, since im german and caged in foreign language
/Dev
devvi said:
Hm idont quiet agree with you.
HD IS (not ALL!) about resolution. Thats why today everything with HD sells. People see HD, and think its great. But as you said its more about the image quality itself.
But its not a very fair comparison between 480 and 720p you made. SUre 480 looks better, but on a smaller screen (with native res.) but if you have a bigger screen, 480p has to bee scaled up, or stretched and then it looks maybe identical or even worse to the 720p Video.
Not to say that i would appreciate the innovation that the Desire gets 720p recording at a very usable bitrate :/
I hope you get my point, since im german and caged in foreign language
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exactly and 480p is a lower res than the native res on our device lol
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let me try and put it a bit different,
me, and the op, would rather have GOOD SD quality than crappy HD, people tend to asume that HD is all about the resolution, it's not, it's a lot more about bit rate.
say you have [email protected] and [email protected], witch one is going to look better? 480p, why? cos you are using 8mbit to store less pixel so less compression, to call something HD in my book you need 1080/720p, and at least 12 mbit for 720p, and 18 Mbit for 1080p
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Agreed. I'm also concerned about the amount of FPS we could get .. anything below 20-25 and HD is useless me thinks ..
[email protected]@10mbit would be fine by me if h.264 was used, but h264 on the fly is a bit too much for snapdragon, so h.263 and a bit rate of say 12 mbit would be ok... but then you would need a very good sd card... about scaling you will almost never get 1:1 pixel mapping... tv's tend to have 1368x768 or 1920x1080, pc monitors are also over 720p.
its not a video recorded it's a phone, and if it gets a half decent support for video we should be happy but i don't expect anything from that,
i like big sensors, a 5 mpx dslr is 10 times better than a 15 mpx point and shoot camera, why? sensor size. phones are just too small to be good
http://www.androidcentral.com/could-be-froyo-android-22-version-htc-sense
Some "evidence" of the coming 720p... (and sense plus froyo)
just check out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684518&page=2
its a mod here that has it
Hi I want to start this post so everyone can post their experience with the new 720 Recording Feature on the HTC Desire!
Please post Like this:
Video
Description
Problems
FPS
Rom used
I'll start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxPdPd8ea4
Description:
Me being very concentrated while playing the Drums... new song Bad Lighting hard sound situation (way too loud for this little Phone ) so worst case
Problems:
I see constant drops in FPS, or more likely a stuttering ever few seconds video playback just kida stops, audio is fine though! I did not have this Problems with other Roms so I think its not my SD card acting up?
FPS: 5-11 not very constant at all, although lighting was very constant (although very bad)
ROM used: LeeDroid 7.1b
Before official update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjI5ygsXzQ
Average/good lighting
20fps
Can't remember the rom, I think MCR v5, it was before the official update.
Not a lot of stuttering that I can notice, but the lens cover was a bit smudged and so the video came out a bit opaque.
After the update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KuPCn6_2M [quality should improve in a bit]
Probably a tad better lighting conditions
23fps
ieftm semi-stock rom
This is the best sample of three, one was ok, but the last one was stuttering quite a bit, as I think some background program was accessing the sd card heavily. Also lens here was a bit dirty
by the way, youtube quality doesn't render properly, linking videos should be better.
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by the way, youtube quality doesn't render properly, linking videos should be better.
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Did not know that, your Video looks very pixelated... Is that because its on Youtube? I will edit main thread thx
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Did not know that, your Video looks very pixelated... Is that because its on Youtube? I will edit main thread thx
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No, I think it was me that turned contrast a bit too high and the fact that without optical zoom or camera lens optics you can get lose details in the distance on such high resolution
I gave up 720p, it is not good. Jumpy, low fps and especially ****ty voice quality.
I use 480p, but it is also not good, not too jumpy ... still ****ty voice quality.
I have 2.2 rom from here and 720p keeps freezing every few seconds.
720p is ok for me. Is it possible that its to do with the internal memory available? I have 60mb or more free, I know some people are down to low numbers. my card is a class2 too. I think the clips look better played on the PC in VLC lpayer than when I upload them to youtube. I think youtube might be introducing some of the negative aspects seen... maybe?
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I'll start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxPdPd8ea4
Description: Me being very concentrated while playing the Drums...
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Please please please... Can we please take advantage of the user interface of the XDA site?
For six months XDA has now supported YouTube embeds -- You can even see the icon in the COMPOSE screens -- though admittedly they don't tell you how to use it very easily.
BEHOLD! It's your video, and I don't have to click a new tab to see it. Magic!
Format for YouTube Embeds:
(remove spaces)
[ youtube ]just-the-video-letter/numbers[ /youtube ]
From your video above, the part that goes in between the [ youtube ] brackets follows v= NxxPdPd8ea4
Please, could you edit your first post to include the instructions. It has taken years to get XDA to embrace video. Now that they have, please support svetius, the User Experience designer of the new site, and use the tools. That's why they're here. Thank you.
P.S. -- is this jamming to the old WHO classic I CAN SEE FOR MILES ? -- just curious... in the event it is because Roger Daltrey still tours this very summer playing it -- and a friend of mine, a session guitarist in L.A., does Townsend's parts. ... Me, waiting for the answer:
"Dude, who are The Who?"
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P.S.S. Is this not the coolest thing? DUDE! Your bio here at XDA!
Occupation:
R&D at Apple Inc.
Working at Apple research... hating the iPhone
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I gotta applaud you. I have used Apple products for 25 years. And I currently use primarily Mac computers, but I also use Windows machines. Very agnostic. But I have never used the iphone, especially since Apple was nowhere in sight when I started with touchscreen smartphones 5 or 6 years ago (but I salute the Newton!)... But I'm a usability designer, so i consider myself fair. And even though I have wanted my Desire to match or exceed the 720p capability of iphone4 -- i was at the Apple store a few weeks ago getting my damp MBP repaired for 3rd time and played with the iP4 -- and the 720p recording is pretty damn good. ... Lastly -- are you familiar with the various TEST PROJECTS that have been going on here since the Nexus One to optimize 720p in this HTC class of phones? If not, search... There are a whole bunch of serious collaborative engineering projects here, and as always XDA-devs work miracles -- so I'm not giving up hope yet. We may smash that iphone yet in recoding quality -- though I doubt it... I am told it records 30fps and no matter what backflips are done here, thru Froyo or other enhancements, we can't get this hardware to meet or exceed that. Is that true?
720p is crap, its just upscale from lover res., dont use it.
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The data rate of 720p is over 4 times greater than 800x480. 6000kb/sec versus 1200kb/sec. It's not purely upscaled at all. I made two sample videos of a page of text and compared.
There was ALOT more detail in the 720p video. Even when I zoomed up the 800x480 one. I agree it's not as good as "true 720 HD" but its certainly not 100% upscaled.
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The data rate of 720p is over 4 times greater than 800x480. 6000kb/sec versus 1200kb/sec. It's not purely upscaled at all. I made two sample videos of a page of text and compared.
There was ALOT more detail in the 720p video. Even when I zoomed up the 800x480 one. I agree it's not as good as "true 720 HD" but its certainly not 100% upscaled.
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1200:6000 it's 5 times more. Yes it's not true 720 hd, but I can perfectly live with that quality if we get a couple of fps more
I've taken two short videos of a label, took screenshots from video player, cropped them, resized the 480 to fit the same size as the 720 one. It's very blurry compared to the normal 720p. See the hour in the fake pda, you can't read it in the upscaled one.
Video upscalers tend to do a better job than a simple photo resize and they do introduce more data leading to a larger file size. The disire may truly just upscale the video after all. In any case, its a shame that video capture on this device is as poor as it is. I dislike Apple and their iphone, but i'll give them this; all aspects of the software work very well from go and if not, a fix/upgrade is provided in a reasonably short time.
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Video upscalers tend to do a better job than a simple photo resize and they do introduce more data leading to a larger file size. The disire may truly just upscale the video after all. In any case, its a shame that video capture on this device is as poor as it is. I dislike Apple and their iphone, but i'll give them this; all aspects of the software work very well from go and if not, a fix/upgrade is provided in a reasonably short time.
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Given the current state of their last shiny toy, I think it's a bit funny to say so.
Anyway, I've done some more tests and I can take the screen captured from a 480 video and upscale it with any tool with best quality or other algorythms and you always end up with a lot less detail than 720p, especially when there is a lot of light (unlike that test above). I don't think the desire has the processing power to do a better upscale than what I'm trying and while there might be a bit of upscaling given you have a tiny lens, it's not all there.
Also any tiny lens without zoom is pointless when taking videos from the distance anyway.
I can only get 15-16 fps... anyone can do higher?
I can easily get 25 average, outside in. good lighting, with a class 6 sd
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No its our own song, although i can see how the beginning sounds kinda like the Who
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I gotta applaud you. I have used Apple products for 25 years. And I currently use primarily Mac computers, but I also use Windows machines. Very agnostic. But I have never used the iphone, especially since Apple was nowhere in sight when I started with touchscreen smartphones 5 or 6 years ago (but I salute the Newton!)... But I'm a usability designer, so i consider myself fair. And even though I have wanted my Desire to match or exceed the 720p capability of iphone4 -- i was at the Apple store a few weeks ago getting my damp MBP repaired for 3rd time and played with the iP4 -- and the 720p recording is pretty damn good. ... Lastly -- are you familiar with the various TEST PROJECTS that have been going on here since the Nexus One to optimize 720p in this HTC class of phones? If not, search... There are a whole bunch of serious collaborative engineering projects here, and as always XDA-devs work miracles -- so I'm not giving up hope yet. We may smash that iphone yet in recoding quality -- though I doubt it... I am told it records 30fps and no matter what backflips are done here, thru Froyo or other enhancements, we can't get this hardware to meet or exceed that. Is that true?
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I talked to some iPhone engineers about how the iPhone can archive 30Fps ... its because all the decoding of pictures delivered by the camera is handled by the GPU... for Android its all done on the CPU! so we need to find a way to decode the video stream using the Desires GPU, but I think the iP4's GPU is far better than the Desires... i am a hardware engineer... i am in no way able to code anything like that! What Makes me curios is file size comparison between an iP4 and the Desire.
Also: Desire running a non sense rom (AOSP) just like the Nexus gives much better 720 Quality!!! so I guess its in the software
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I talked to some iPhone engineers about how the iPhone can archive 30Fps ... its because all the decoding of pictures delivered by the camera is handled by the GPU... for Android its all done on the CPU! so we need to find a way to decode the video stream using the Desires GPU, but I think the iP4's GPU is far better than the Desires... i am a hardware engineer... i am in no way able to code anything like that! What Makes me curios is file size comparison between an iP4 and the Desire.
Also: Desire running a non sense rom (AOSP) just like the Nexus gives much better 720 Quality!!! so I guess its in the software
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SInce I am NEITHER a hardware nor software engineer, I am useless here, other than to ask obvious questions. Your apple access to methodology of iP4's video capture is itself useful information -- something that if I were a software engineer working on the various test projects here at XDA, I would want to know. Maybe that's something they could infer, or maybe its published somewhere, or maybe it's one of those "Geez, it's so obvious do i really need to be told that?" points.
That then gets blurred and muddied by the REAL armchair knowitalls (*I* disclose that I know nothing) who pounce on a pronouncement by someone here and say "That's impossible, or that's bullcrap, look here at my image, it proves you wrong, end of story" -- only to often find --- NOT end of story and that person got it wrong.
All i know is -- my experience has told me never presume -- because this site is SO HUGE, it is actually quite often that the right hand doesn't know what left hand is up to.
I wish there were a better means of coordinating the total knowledge holders of XDA site on this 720p issue regarding TOTAL CAPABILITY, software and hardware, so there is 100% collaboration. In the end, there is only one answer: Yes, desire can meet or exceed iphone4 720 p in every measure of resolution, or not.
THE PART I DIDN"T GET:
What Makes me curios is file size comparison between an iP4 and the Desire.
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Which is bigger? what is your initial inference? larger file size = higher rez?
thank you
roufianos cooked a Rom that achieved 29-30 fps but the phone restarted after 50 seconds of recording. Was that due to overheating of the processor? I don't know. His phone gave up spirit and he is waiting for a replacement so the development of his Rom is on pause at the moment.
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I can easily get 25 average, outside in. good lighting, with a class 6 sd
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I've not seen more than 23fps in 720p with great lighting. anyone else? I use a Class2 card so maybe using class 6 is why you get 25fps average?
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I've not seen more than 23fps in 720p with great lighting. anyone else? I use a Class2 card so maybe using class 6 is why you get 25fps average?
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Ive managed 26fps @ 720p with my Desire running official unbranded 2.2. Im using a Class 4 card, so that might help over your Class 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saS39iqjDgs
I just compared the youtube clip to the original on my PC (i scaled the VLC window down to the same size as playing the youtube clip in its 'expanded' size) and there is definatly a small quality difference. The details on the original are noticable finer, so even @ 720p on youtube the bitrate must take a small hit.
Here is a screenshot of the comparison.
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So just browsing along I stumbled on this video review of the camera app. I knew our DINC's had problems with video, but WOW, is it really this bad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzglMIwpYo4
I'm sure there has to be a developer that can maybe come out with a fix for this
theguy386 said:
So just browsing along I stumbled on this video review of the camera app. I knew our DINC's had problems with video, but WOW, is it really this bad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzglMIwpYo4
I'm sure there has to be a developer that can maybe come out with a fix for this
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i'm not sure what a dev could do to fix this. it seems that the issues with the pixel density and audio aren't something that could be overcome with patching a file from another OS or even an app...
my advice is this:
if you want a better video experience, buy a dedicated video camera or a dedicated camera with video functions. as a phone, it's a balancing act. you're not gonna get the best of ALL worlds, but including hardware and features for things like recording video in 720p is pretty handy and convenient when you're caught without a dedicated camera or video device. i wouldn't rely 100% on my phone as my primary device for anything except phone calls. but to each their own
That video showed me at least one new thing: I didn't realize that with 2.2 and 720p recording, H.264 isn't available. With H.264 selected, the highest available resolution drops to WVGA (800x480). Only H.263 and MPEG4 are available in 720p. Does anyone know if this is true on other Froyo devices, like the Nexus One? Or did something get changed when 2.2 went through HTC?
Perhaps the OP is right, I think that with a software update of some kind, H.264 for 720p could be enabled on the Droid Incredible, as well as higher bitrate audio. The OP's video suggests those two things to be major reasons as to why the camcorder quality is so different. Anyone know if Cyanogen is working on 720p H.264 as well as his continuous autofocus awesomeness?
Of course the actual optics are a bit different between the two devices as well, but I'd like to think the Droid Incredible has a better camera than those camera tests seem to show.
chameleon131 said:
That video showed me at least one new thing: I didn't realize that with 2.2 and 720p recording, H.264 isn't available. With H.264 selected, the highest available resolution drops to WVGA (800x480). Only H.263 and MPEG4 are available in 720p. Does anyone know if this is true on other Froyo devices, like the Nexus One? Or did something get changed when 2.2 went through HTC?
Perhaps the OP is right, I think that with a software update of some kind, H.264 for 720p could be enabled on the Droid Incredible, as well as higher bitrate audio. The OP's video suggests those two things to be major reasons as to why the camcorder quality is so different. Anyone know if Cyanogen is working on 720p H.264 as well as his continuous autofocus awesomeness?
Of course the actual optics are a bit different between the two devices as well, but I'd like to think the Droid Incredible has a better camera than those camera tests seem to show.
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i'll ask my friends with other devices that are capable of 720p and see what they say, will post findings
EDIT: samsung captivate doesn't have encoding settings. we didn't record a video to see what it saved it as, either. but there is no option in the settings to change encoding, only resolution.
chameleon131 said:
That video showed me at least one new thing: I didn't realize that with 2.2 and 720p recording, H.264 isn't available. With H.264 selected, the highest available resolution drops to WVGA (800x480). Only H.263 and MPEG4 are available in 720p. Does anyone know if this is true on other Froyo devices, like the Nexus One? Or did something get changed when 2.2 went through HTC?
Perhaps the OP is right, I think that with a software update of some kind, H.264 for 720p could be enabled on the Droid Incredible, as well as higher bitrate audio. The OP's video suggests those two things to be major reasons as to why the camcorder quality is so different. Anyone know if Cyanogen is working on 720p H.264 as well as his continuous autofocus awesomeness?
Of course the actual optics are a bit different between the two devices as well, but I'd like to think the Droid Incredible has a better camera than those camera tests seem to show.
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I have been thinking the same thing. I even posted about changing the codec but no one responded.
I was reading on the evo forum about the camera software and several posters suspected that the compression is what is making the video not as good as it could be. They also had the same thought about enabling h.264.
I would definitively pay for these features.
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You bought a cell phone? What do you expect? ITS NOT GONNA HAVE AN AWESOME CAMERA/CAMCORDER BUILT IN!!!!!! Get over it... If you want high quality then buy a standalone camcorder. Phones weren't made to take great videos. They are more for like a quick need thing. Maybe you see some cops doing something underhanded, see some kind of crime in progress, stupid things that happen at a party that you feel are important, etc.
TNS201 said:
You bought a cell phone? What do you expect? ITS NOT GONNA HAVE AN AWESOME CAMERA/CAMCORDER BUILT IN!!!!!! Get over it... If you want high quality then buy a standalone camcorder. Phones weren't made to take great videos. They are more for like a quick need thing. Maybe you see some cops doing something underhanded, see some kind of crime in progress, stupid things that happen at a party that you feel are important, etc.
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yeah pretty much what i was going to say
I thought XDA was about getting the most out of your device through tips, tricks, tweaks and hacks, and that it's been that way for some time. Maybe I'm mistaken.
I think trying to squeeze the best performance out of your device's camera is perfectly legit, OP.
Am I wrong?
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Anyway, that's weird and seems pretty pitiful that the Captivate won't even let you change the codec setting at all. Better for user experience I suppose, not to have to mess with codecs to try to get the best picture. I'm curious what codec it defaults to. I wonder what a comparison between the Captivate and Incredible camcorder would look like.
The camera indeed has some problem on the Incredible. My incredible will flicker in low light condition even in camera mode. I had to return and exchange one, but the problem is still there just less severe.
TNS201 said:
You bought a cell phone? What do you expect? ITS NOT GONNA HAVE AN AWESOME CAMERA/CAMCORDER BUILT IN!!!!!! Get over it... If you want high quality then buy a standalone camcorder. Phones weren't made to take great videos. They are more for like a quick need thing. Maybe you see some cops doing something underhanded, see some kind of crime in progress, stupid things that happen at a party that you feel are important, etc.
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With the power this phone possesses, the video sucks. I would not only expect it to be better, but use the latest codecs and not amr audio and save files in .3gp! What good is high def video if I can't play it on my Xbox or PS3, or other media boxes?. That's a joke. I think as long as the iPhone can do it, maybe Droid should.
I didn't buy a cell phone. I bought a multi-hundred dollar smartphone with an 8mp camera that BOASTS 720p video. If I bought a RAZR I would accept it.
I found your post rude and unhelpful.