I was wondering if anybody knows for sure whether the Broadcom BCM4329 wifi chipset in the Evo is 2.4ghz only or dual band 2.4 and 5ghz? I have seen forum posts saying both and the Broadcom website offers both. I tried to zoom in on the ifixit picture of the chip, but it is too pixelated and I dont have CTU image enhancers
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oRAirwolf said:
I was wondering if anybody knows for sure whether the Broadcom BCM4329 wifi chipset in the Evo is 2.4ghz only or dual band 2.4 and 5ghz? I have seen forum posts saying both and the Broadcom website offers both. I tried to zoom in on the ifixit picture of the chip, but it is too pixelated and I dont have CTU image enhancers
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I quickly looked over the driver source and it does seem apparent that there is support for 5ghz. You also can enable and disable N in the source also, but I haven't had time to go through it all yet, but yeah I think it's dual.
oRAirwolf said:
I was wondering if anybody knows for sure whether the Broadcom BCM4329 wifi chipset in the Evo is 2.4ghz only or dual band 2.4 and 5ghz? I have seen forum posts saying both and the Broadcom website offers both. I tried to zoom in on the ifixit picture of the chip, but it is too pixelated and I dont have CTU image enhancers
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It's only 2.4GHz. The EVO doesn't even show my 5GHz router.
Most likely it has to do with this code from the bcm4329 drivers source:
Code:
list->count = htod32(MAXCHANNEL);
if ((error = dev_wlc_ioctl(dev, WLC_GET_VALID_CHANNELS, channels, sizeof(channels))))
return error;
for (i = 0; i < dtoh32(list->count) && i < IW_MAX_FREQUENCIES; i++) {
range->freq[i].i = dtoh32(list->element[i]);
ch = dtoh32(list->element[i]);
if (ch <= CH_MAX_2G_CHANNEL)
sf = WF_CHAN_FACTOR_2_4_G;
else
sf = WF_CHAN_FACTOR_5_G;
range->freq[i].m = wf_channel2mhz(ch, sf);
range->freq[i].e = 6;
}
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It's only 2.4GHz. The EVO doesn't even show my 5GHz router.
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If its not in the code to retrieve 5ghz band its not going to show . it is very well possible that there is support for it though. Just give it time.
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There is a very easy way to find out... If you can connect to an 802.11a or n access point then it can run 5ghz, if you can also connect to 802.11g or b, then it can do both.
Seeing what it can physically connect to is a sure fire way to know. But my guess is the nic must be dual band, and HTC/Sprint turned off the n radio which will be turned on at a later date. I suspect this is the case because people have already got it connected to n, but at home I am using g.
Is it possible to tell by looking at the broadcom chip itself? ie serial # or model #.
According to the BCM4329 product brief there are 2 models: BCM4329G which is only b/g/n (2.4GHz only) and BCM4329H which is a/b/g/n (2.4GHz/5GHz). Even if the Evo had the BCM4329H it would need to have the appropriate accompanying antenna circuitry to be of any use, so it's a long shot that they would have put this in and not enabled/advertised 802.11a, but it's certainly possible. Anyone want to crack open their Evo and tell us what's silkscreened on the chip?
The product brief also indicates that the BCM4329 has an integrated FM receiver/transmitter which share a common antenna. Assuming that this is what the Evo uses for it's FM receiver, it seems that it might be possible to enable the FM transmitter as well (of course headphones would have to be plugged in to act as an antenna). Anyone interested in trying that out?
If that is the case how are people modding drivers in Android dev part of this forum and connecting to n routers? 802.11a and n run at 5ghz.
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I think this thread is beating a dead horse. Just flash Damageless rom and enable Wireless N from their Dconfig update tool. Then try connecting to your own N router. I bet money that works. That would prove 5ghz radio exists. Then disable and also disable N on your wireless router from home and enable B or G. If you can then connect, that proves a 2.4ghz radio exist.
Do that and there is no need to look up product specs or tear apart a phone.
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webs05 said:
If that is the case how are people modding drivers in Android dev part of this forum and connecting to n routers? 802.11a and n run at 5ghz.
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I think this thread is beating a dead horse. Just flash Damageless rom and enable Wireless N from their Dconfig update tool. Then try connecting to your own N router. I bet money that works. That would prove 5ghz radio exists. Then disable and also disable N on your wireless router from home and enable B or G. If you can then connect, that proves a 2.4ghz radio exist.
Do that and there is no need to look up product specs or tear apart a phone.
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N Runs at 2.4ghz and 5ghz. Having N does not mean you have 5ghz. Having A means you have 5ghz. I haven't seen anyone say they got A yet. Plus range on 5ghz is way short of 2.4ghz.
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N Runs at 2.4ghz and 5ghz. Having N does not mean you have 5ghz. Having A means you have 5ghz. I haven't seen anyone say they got A yet. Plus range on 5ghz is way short of 2.4ghz.
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True but that is a setting that can usually be changed on the router itself. So we really just need someone that can play.
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True but that is a setting that can usually be changed on the router itself. So we really just need someone that can play.
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I dont' think you understand what I'm saying. Not all N clients can connect to 5ghz. For example the new Microsoft Xbox 360 only does 2.4ghz N.
I have a dual band router, and I have N devices that do not see the 5ghz channel at all. It doesn't matter if your router can support 5ghz if the device doesn't support that.
N is a speed, 2.4ghz and 5ghz are frequencies. N speeds are available on both frequencies, but a device that can go to N speeds doesn't mean it has the antenna and radio to see the 5ghz frequency.
Did no one look at the code I posted? It's in the driver source, so that means it should be supported.
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I dont' think you understand what I'm saying. Not all N clients can connect to 5ghz. For example the new Microsoft Xbox 360 only does 2.4ghz N.
I have a dual band router, and I have N devices that do not see the 5ghz channel at all. It doesn't matter if your router can support 5ghz if the device doesn't support that.
N is a speed, 2.4ghz and 5ghz are frequencies. N speeds are available on both frequencies, but a device that can go to N speeds doesn't mean it has the antenna and radio to see the 5ghz frequency.
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I work with this technology so yes I understand. I was agreeing with you. My point is simply that if someone has an N router, all we need them to do is turn on N and change the frequency setting (most n routers nowadays have this setting), and then try to connect and see what happens.
If someone did that about 10 posts ago, these back and forths would never have been needed. So does anyone want to verify? I'll check tonight and see if I can setup my router.
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Did no one look at the code I posted? It's in the driver source, so that means it should be supported.
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But just because its in the driver source doesn't mean it is enabled at a hardware level right? Or would that typically mean it is enabled? For instance, is it conceivable that HTC made a driver with 5ghz support that was used on multiple NICs?
I dont mean to cause any controversy with this thread.
I understand that EVO's are not connecting to 5ghz N right now with the current driver hack. I am just curious if the Broadcom chip in the phone is even capable of 5ghz since Broadcom offers 2 different models. I guess the only way to know for sure is for somebody to open up the phone and look at what is silk screened onto the chip and figure out which model it is.
The reason I am curious is because I live in an apartment complex that is so saturated with 2.4ghz wireless, that I cannot maintain a stable connection with my Dlink DGL-4500 router. I have to use 5ghz N at my apartment and was hoping that I might be able to use my EVO with it.
No go for 5ghz
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Did no one look at the code I posted? It's in the driver source, so that means it should be supported.
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I just set my router to 5ghz only and wasn't able to connect. I had it set to a/n so that means that if there is a 5ghz radio in the phone it is not enabled. Or the driver doesn't interface with it correctly. Maybe the hacked driver needs some changes to connect to n at 5ghz? Not sure. In any case I think at this point it would be a question for the folks working on the N driver.
Did anyone else have similar results?
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I just set my router to 5ghz only and wasn't able to connect. I had it set to a/n so that means that if there is a 5ghz radio in the phone it is not enabled. Or the driver doesn't interface with it correctly. Maybe the hacked driver needs some changes to connect to n at 5ghz? Not sure. In any case I think at this point it would be a question for the folks working on the N driver.
Did anyone else have similar results?
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Well, the N feature is definitely disabled in the source. The "hack/fix" that people are using right now is just a hex edit, and it basically just patches it or even "short circuits" it to enable N. With that being said, that means nothing else has been touched other than that one enable/disable line. The rest of the code that enables 5ghz is probably disabled too. Until someone takes a look at the source and goes through it, we won't be able to tell. Plus I don't have a 5ghz N router, mine only goes to 2.4ghz, so I haven't really spent any time cause I wouldn't be able to know if it's working or not anyway.
Ok guys here is the Chip info. Its a Broadcom BCM4329. This is off Broadcom site. It doest help that it can be single band or dual band. I will keep looking into it.
The Broadcom BCM4329 integrates a complete IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n system (MAC/baseband/radio) with Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate), and FM radio receiver and transmitter. By combining several proven wireless technologies onto a single silicon die, the BCM4329 enables mobile devices to support today's toughest media applications -- without impacting device size or battery life.
The BCM4329 eliminates the barriers of adding the latest wireless connectivity features to small, battery-operated devices. In addition to bringing greater Wi-Fi throughput and coverage to mobile consumer electronics, the BCM4329 is Broadcom's smallest and lowest cost dual-band 802.11n solution. It features integrated 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WLAN CMOS power amplifiers, which reduce BoM costs while maintaining superior performance. The BCM4329 also utilizes advanced design techniques and process technologies to reduce active and idle power consumption and extend battery life.
Broadcom's most integrated 65 nm single-chip combo device with single-band (2.4 GHz) 802.11b/g/n or dual-band (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) 802.11a/b/g/n, plus Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR and FM receiver and transmitter features.
Any more information on whether the Evo can support 5ghz?
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Any more information on whether the Evo can support 5ghz?
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We need to build a new WiFi driver with those lines changed that someone mentioned on pg 1. Not that difficult. I don't have the time though. Not to mention I don't have the full build environment set up, just my kernel environment.
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Looking through the teardown from iFixit.com, the EVO has the same Wifi/Bluetooth chip as the Nexus 1 and Droid Incredible: BCM4329
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC-Evo-4G-Teardown/2979/2
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-One-Teardown/1654/2
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
Anyone with the skills to get an 802.11n driver hacked in?
Saw this Android Open Source :
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09253.html
Linux WLAN driver for BCM4329 - Low-Power 802.11n with Bluetooth(R)
2.1+ EDR and FM (Tx and Rx)
And this from Android open source project:
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=pl...c;hb=f427424c414886903e4ad654c143c8ce6ec10e3c
Froyo has it, Nexus one users who updated to froyo already enjoy N although some say the difference in speed is very minimal.
if you are anywhere near your router, wireless g is tons faster than your router-net connection will be, most likely. so, going faster to the router isn't going to make much difference if it bottlenecks at the router.
where you may see increases would be in a WLAN, if everything is configured to N-band. otherwise, if you are accessing a 802.11g device on your network, that's the slow man in your transmission, and it won't matter, again.
What about range (which is a problem for the EVO)
It may only be that the router is better, or it may be that 5GHz is better (I know the new iphone only does N on 2.4Ghz, I'm not sure about the EVO) but I know with my airport extreme the range is better to my MacBook, and that in general other N routers have better range to N devices.
This should answer your questions:
BCM4329 - Low-Power 802.11n with Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR and FM (Tx and Rx)
The Broadcom BCM4329 integrates a complete IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n system (MAC/baseband/radio) with Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate), and FM radio receiver and transmitter. In addition to bringing greater Wi-Fi throughput and coverage to mobile consumer electronics, the BCM4329 is Broadcom's smallest and lowest cost dual-band 802.11n solution. It features integrated 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WLAN CMOS power amplifiers, which reduce BoM costs while maintaining superior performance. The BCM4329 also utilizes advanced design techniques and process technologies to reduce active and idle power consumption and extend battery life.
With wifi-N working, you will get the benefits of dual band.
i have problem with my arc when i check the speed i got only 65mbps but i got 300mbps router netgear wnr2200 but my radio cut the streaming all the time which is hell and then dlna take about a minute to load a picture in 2mpix. My vaio does have 270 to 300mbps everywhere in the house so router wifi does work. my arc was on warranty because half of the screen does not have touch screen
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You can't compare the wifi speed of a phone with a computer.
Due to a technical reason (i'm not a techie, so can't explain well) the maximum speed for wifi on a smartphone is 54 Mbps, no matter what kind of wifi protocol you're using (g or n).
Nowadays a small improvement is made (a check for back and forward sent packages is disabled) which will give you an extra 11 Mbps, and there we have our 65 Mbps maximum speed.
The 'N connection' on your Arc is only mentioned in the specs to point out that it is compatible with that protocol.
Hope i did shed some light on your Q, if any tech can explain better, plz correct me.
*edit - apparently this is for ICS roms only. Gb does not have the setting.
Go to advanced in wifi settings and change to 2.4 only. Stop letting the 5 GHz bands eat the crap out of your battery.
This could be why some have stellar battery life and others not so much. As the router will dictate the band used.
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I'm gonna give this a try!
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Is that setting only on ICS? I'm not seeing it anywhere. I've only had 5 beers today fishing so i'm not blind yet lol
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Hmm, i don't see that setting for picking 2.4 or 5GHZ in my Epic Touch. I am running GB by the way.
Yeah this is for ICS only. Unless I'm missing something
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System settings wifi menu advanced then wifi frequency band and then you have options then can change 2.4, or 5ghz
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I don't see this option on aokp
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jamesey said:
Go to advanced in wifi settings and change to 2.4 only. Stop letting N eat the crap out of your battery.
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Are you trying to say 2.4 Ghz N is eating less power than 5Ghz? Because 802.11N Operates on both frequencies and most inexpensive routers are 2.4 ONLY. Then there are dual band routers which in base only do one or the other and then simultaneous dual band which usually fetches a decent price tag.
It just seemed like you were saying putting it in 2.4Ghz disables N connectivity and that would be simply false. I have seen plenty of people mistakenly believe N is 5Ghz only. Despite the lower interference on the 5Ghz band 2.4Ghz has better material penetration and I wont go 5.
If you don't need N speeds in your house at this point and are doing this to save energy (a point I won't even bother going into) you could always configure it to G only or B/G only. I actually have mine (2.4Ghz) set to N only so I don't have to worry about the laptop trying to connect in G.
Why would this work? I will try this with my new router soon
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Why would this work? I will try this with my new router soon
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Depending upon the router it should have no effect at all. This is the router I replaced a slightly more powerful ASUS RT-N16 with but its 2.4Ghz N, 2x2 MIMO for up to 300 Gbps with appropriate devices across the network - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704038
Going from Auto to 2.4Ghz on either one of those routers would do nothing as well as on a hundred other N routers made of the last couple years. Only Dual band routers set to 5Ghz or simultaneous Dual Band and the phone set to 5Ghz or Auto would have any effect on changing it to 2.4. If you had a Dual Band set to 5Ghz and you went 2.4 you would just lose WiFi entirely were as Simultaneous dual band would just switch from 5Ghz N to 2.4 Ghz G/N.
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Are you trying to say 2.4 Ghz N is eating less power than 5Ghz? Because 802.11N Operates on both frequencies and most inexpensive routers are 2.4 ONLY. Then there are dual band routers which in base only do one or the other and then simultaneous dual band which usually fetches a decent price tag.
It just seemed like you were saying putting it in 2.4Ghz disables N connectivity and that would be simply false. I have seen plenty of people mistakenly believe N is 5Ghz only. Despite the lower interference on the 5Ghz band 2.4Ghz has better material penetration and I wont go 5.
If you don't need N speeds in your house at this point and are doing this to save energy (a point I won't even bother going into) you could always configure it to G only or B/G only. I actually have mine (2.4Ghz) set to N only so I don't have to worry about the laptop trying to connect in G.
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Let me rephrase, 5GHz band uses alot more battery. So the tweak remains a positive gain in battery performance.
Yes, apparently I was wrong in the fact it doesn't turn off N as it can run in both spectrums and I will adjust the thread. Thx for sharing.
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Let me rephrase, 5GHz bands uses alot more battery. So the tweak remains a positive gain in battery performance.
Yes, apparently I was wrong in the fact it doesn't turn off N as it can run in both spectrums and I will adjust the thread. Thx for sharing.
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I just wanted to make sure, you know how the noobs are when they come and "read".
Yeah I haven't invested in a Simultaneous dual band router myself so no worries. If I lived in a loft or something I would go for it but I have too much trouble with material penetration. I actually had to run cat 6 to each floor and run AP's on each one. Without it I can not access from my front porch or my back yard either. Top floor AP serves the backyard and the middle floor AP serves the front.
As far as Turning of N I am not 100% on if it defaults to G but the point is it can do N in 2.4. When I was on EK02 and I had the main router in BGN I had a feeling the damn thing was in G for the phone but without connectivity information from the phone I couldn't test it. I mean how do you do 75 Mbps plus from phone to a machine on the network?
RainMotorsports said:
Depending upon the router it should have no effect at all. This is the router I replaced a slightly more powerful ASUS RT-N16 with but its 2.4Ghz N, 2x2 MIMO for up to 300 Gbps with appropriate devices across the network - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704038
Going from Auto to 2.4Ghz on either one of those routers would do nothing as well as on a hundred other N routers made of the last couple years. Only Dual band routers set to 5Ghz or simultaneous Dual Band and the phone set to 5Ghz or Auto would have any effect on changing it to 2.4. If you had a Dual Band set to 5Ghz and you went 2.4 you would just lose WiFi entirely were as Simultaneous dual band would just switch from 5Ghz N to 2.4 Ghz G/N.
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Running on auto with use being the same at times I'd cook through the battery in 1.5 hours straight screen time with phone burning up and other times 4-5 hours with phone remaining cool. So far it looks like it was my culprit hence the post. Maybe there is an underlying bug with the auto option who knows. Either way we'll find out soon enough.
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Thanks for the link, I'm gonna pick up a TL-WR2543ND
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I actually have mine (2.4Ghz) set to N only so I don't have to worry about the laptop trying to connect in G.
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I might be mistaken, but isn't N backwards compatible? I could swear I remember B/G devices being able to connect to a router that only broadcasts N
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I might be mistaken, but isn't N backwards compatible? I could swear I remember B/G devices being able to connect to a router that only broadcasts N
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N is backwards compatible. Unless you ask Cisco or well anyone involved in creating N hardware. Its actually considered a bad idea to mix G and N. The performance and stability is rather unideal but it works.
However if you set a router to N only you should not be able to connect a G only device. If you can then that router has some serious firmware issues. I don't know of any consumer N hardware that isn't designed by default to be compatible with B G and N. Though the reason I am concerned with the laptop connecting in G is because of syncing files over the network. Id hate for it to connect in G for no reason.
I will fire up the laptop and force G mode in the driver see what happens. I do not have any G adapters. I think my PSP is 802.11 B but im not bothering with it right now lol.
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Nope. Both the Intel 5100 and Intel 6200 adapters in the laptop set to G only will not connect to the router in N only. Takes a really long time before it would let me enter a key and very shortly after I did it said it could not connect. The reason given by diagnostics is "The capabilities of the wireless adapter on this computer don't support the requirements of this network."
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Depending upon the router it should have no effect at all. This is the router I replaced a slightly more powerful ASUS RT-N16 with but its 2.4Ghz N, 2x2 MIMO for up to 300 Gbps with appropriate devices across the network - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704038
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Why did you switch routers? I've got the ASUS RT-N16 which works great and I can put Tomato on it. (I'm assuming that the 300 Gbps is a typo and you meant Mbps...). Just wanted to see if I was missing out on something, because that TP Link sure is a great price.
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N is backwards compatible. Unless you ask Cisco or well anyone involved in creating N hardware. Its actually considered a bad idea to mix G and N. The performance and stability is rather unideal but it works.
However if you set a router to N only you should not be able to connect a G only device. If you can then that router has some serious firmware issues. I don't know of any consumer N hardware that isn't designed by default to be compatible with B G and N. Though the reason I am concerned with the laptop connecting in G is because of syncing files over the network. Id hate for it to connect in G for no reason.
I will fire up the laptop and force G mode in the driver see what happens. I do not have any G adapters. I think my PSP is 802.11 B but im not bothering with it right now lol.
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Nope. Both the Intel 5100 and Intel 6200 adapters in the laptop set to G only will not connect to the router in N only. Takes a really long time before it would let me enter a key and very shortly after I did it said it could not connect. The reason given by diagnostics is "The capabilities of the wireless adapter on this computer don't support the requirements of this network."
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To expand a bit on the above post:
I use a dual band Linksys (cisco) E3000 router running DD-WRT for dual band 2.4 Ghz (N+G) / 5 Ghz (N-Only) operation. 2.4 Ghz has much better penetration for low power/antenna devices (phones, tablets, etc). Speed is not usually an issue on these devices as you would not be transferring or streaming large files.
The downside to having N+G on is that performance of the whole network drops to barely above G speeds (54 mbps) when a G devices i connected. Backwards compatible? Yes. Ideal for speed? No
Hence the 5 Ghz operation on N only connected to high speed "real wireless devices." There is less interference on the spectrum but penetration is terrible; so brick houses, multistories, etc without proper antenna devices get poor signal (phones). Great for streaming or file sharing over wireless though - 720p? No problem.
If you are like me and have 10+ network devices on at a time that is a lot of traffic, especially on the limited G 2.4 Ghz channels with an already crowded spectrum of wifi area. Splitting the bandwidth was the best thing I ever did for network performance across all devices. Hardly anyone is using 5 Ghz right now and even when it becomes widely adopted (3+ years) there is a lot more channel (room) in the standard.
TL;DR: 2.4 Ghz is all around better for the phone. Buy a dual band router on sale, but leave the 5 Ghz on the phone off, it isn't worth it.
Just wanted to drop my thoughts here...
First thought, Heck Yeah! I wondered why it was randomly deciding to eat my battery when sitting at home browsing on the couch with my phone. I didn't even realize this thing was capable of N. LOL Didn't really care to know at the time.
I have quite a bit of time working with N style wireless devices. In the place I lived before here, I had both of my home servers on different sides of the house. And being servers; sometimes they needed that massive bandwidth that N is capable of. But like was said previously; 5.0Ghz doesn't like walls too much. Just look at cordless phones in your house, most are either 2.4Ghz or now that Direct6.0 or whatever you want to call it. However, the 6.0 isn't that great for penetration either as the signal wavelength gets too choppy. 2.4Ghz is about as far as you want to go if it's a radio signal you're willing to drop through any physical barrier.
Now as for the discussion on N/G. Yes, almost every router to date that supports N, whether it be draft N, N150, N300 or whatever other determination they come up with; they must support G. A/B, not so much but usually radios today are integrated with G/B/A support either way. I've actually had people call me to find out why their laptops won't use their massive 50mb/s connections as well as their desktop simply to find that the laptop is using B or A to connect even though it's so close to the router.
As for these phones, I'm not sure if they are the same, but most of the "draft" N devices actually separated the bands from A/B/G and N as it was so "new". Cisco routers were the first to actually compile them together as I remember researching these for a school project in "Introduction to Routers" in college.
So, basically this could be entirely true, as our phones may have a single chip providing the entire 2.4Ghz bands and a secondary to simply run 5.0Ghz. I'm going to test my results here at home and see the differences but I can almost be 100% positive that it is true in this situation. Sounds like a fun experiment to try when in reach of my charging cord!
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Just wanted to drop my thoughts here...
First thought, Heck Yeah! I wondered why it was randomly deciding to eat my battery when sitting at home browsing on the couch with my phone. I didn't even realize this thing was capable of N. LOL Didn't really care to know at the time.
I have quite a bit of time working with N style wireless devices. In the place I lived before here, I had both of my home servers on different sides of the house. And being servers; sometimes they needed that massive bandwidth that N is capable of. But like was said previously; 5.0Ghz doesn't like walls too much. Just look at cordless phones in your house, most are either 2.4Ghz or now that Direct6.0 or whatever you want to call it. However, the 6.0 isn't that great for penetration either as the signal wavelength gets too choppy. 2.4Ghz is about as far as you want to go if it's a radio signal you're willing to drop through any physical barrier.
Now as for the discussion on N/G. Yes, almost every router to date that supports N, whether it be draft N, N150, N300 or whatever other determination they come up with; they must support G. A/B, not so much but usually radios today are integrated with G/B/A support either way. I've actually had people call me to find out why their laptops won't use their massive 50mb/s connections as well as their desktop simply to find that the laptop is using B or A to connect even though it's so close to the router.
As for these phones, I'm not sure if they are the same, but most of the "draft" N devices actually separated the bands from A/B/G and N as it was so "new". Cisco routers were the first to actually compile them together as I remember researching these for a school project in "Introduction to Routers" in college.
So, basically this could be entirely true, as our phones may have a single chip providing the entire 2.4Ghz bands and a secondary to simply run 5.0Ghz. I'm going to test my results here at home and see the differences but I can almost be 100% positive that it is true in this situation. Sounds like a fun experiment to try when in reach of my charging cord!
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Please share the results. It's the only thing I could think of causing random fast drains on wifi
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Hi to all.
I have an Xperia Z1 Compact and a router a router TP Link WDR4300.
The router support WIFI n300 (my notebook achieve that speed), but the phone only get n150... Why? can this be changed to n300? wifi ac, is very difficult to find (and very expensive) here in Argentina, so it´s not a real option to change the router...
I have 14.3.A.0.757 Generic NO 1279-4149 rooted (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2688933)
tux_topo said:
The router support WIFI n300 (my notebook achieve that speed), but the phone only get n150... Why?
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Because ones a PC and the other is a Mobile Phone, so should be obvious the two are going to vary greatly in terms of performance.
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Because ones a PC and the other is a Mobile Phone, so should be obvious the two are going to vary greatly in terms of performance.
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I´m asking about the connection way, the linking way, not the actual performance. I have a different notebook with an SSD, but is only compatible with 2.4GHz, so i connect it to another router (different brand, name, model and all -Dlink DIR 600-), linking at n150... The only limitation of that notebook, is the wifi module...
This phone, is compatible with 5GHz wifi... but can´t link as n300 device... That´s what i´m asking for...
for a single antenna, n is at most 72. there is no n standard faster than that. higher n numbers indicate using mutiple antennae. your phone only has one. see the graph here.
steanne said:
for a single antenna, n is at most 72. there is no n standard faster than that. higher n numbers indicate using mutiple antennae. your phone only has one. see the graph here.
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Okay!! Thanks!! Thats a good answer.... i didnt know that this cell had only one antenna...
With the AC router... which speed can acheive? 433 Mbit/s or 867 Mbit/s? Thanks!!
tux_topo said:
With the AC router... which speed can acheive? 433 Mbit/s or 867 Mbit/s?
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with one antenna and looking at the graph here, it looks like you can get 867 if your connection is 160 mhz. i'm not really that familiar with wireless technology, but if your router supports 160 mhz channels, i THINK you're more likely to get a 160 signal if there aren't a lot of other connections around you to interfere. 80 is the default.
I've had ac links at 325. That seems to be the maximum standing right next to a uap ac.
Edit: that's ht80 3x3, but it seems the z1c does only one spatial stream.
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Hi friends i'm planning to buy a new router with ac standards. Is it possible for z1 compact to go over 72 Mbps.
How fast can the Google pixel go on a 1 gig up and down internet? I'm only getting these speeds:
I also have the Netgear x10 router and should get way faster speeds. Wired to computer is over 900. Possibly wireless function not working great.
That's pretty low. I get 350 mbps down and like 30 Up at home and my wireless download speed beats that. This is using an ASUS RT1900P Router connected to a Motorola SB6190 Gigabit Modem. There are many things that can come into play here.
First of all, let's understand what the Pixel is capable of. According to Qualcomm, the Snapdragon 820/821 is capable of 802.11ad and 802.11ac 2x2 MU-MIMO. This means a peak speed of 867 mbps. Pretty close to your gigabit connection's speed and more than you'll probably ever need for your cellphone. I must mention, however, that there is a thread around here somewhere that seems to have confirmed that wifi speeds throttle when the phone is not plugged into a charger. I'm not sure if that has been fixed but Google is aware of it. I have a feeling that this is by design.
You seem to have the right, if not the best, router for the job. Just try to keep in mind there's a lot of sorcery that goes on behind the scenes with routers and there might be options, depending on how savvy you are, that you can enable or disable to make things faster. QoS comes to mind, which I'm sure the router has enabled by default. If there are other people in your home or on your network streaming or downloading/uploading things the router is going to prioritize traffic a certain way so everyone's experience stays the same. Not to mention this will take a chunk out of the bandwidth available from your ISP. Additionally, the 802.11ad sounds awesome, but cannot get through walls that well. Like at all. It's purely Line of Sight. So unless you're in the same room as your Router, you're not going to experience the benefit of the Wireless-AD 60GHz madness. Channel Width has a direct effect on the theoretical speeds you can achieve with your wireless network. I have a feeling the router automatically chooses channel width based on the other networks in the area. Most of the time, the 160 MHz or 80 MHz channel width won't be selected by default, which seems like what you want. Read up on Channel Widths and why it isn't always beneficial to choose the widest one. The wider the channel width, the more channels you utilize, which means an increased chance for a nearby network to be using the same channel.
It's a good idea to micromanage which devices on your network are connected to which band. Try to keep slower, legacy and non-essential devices on the 2.4 GHz band. This preserves the speed of the 5 GHz band. In my home, I've passworded the 5 GHz network differently than the 2.4 GHz network and made sure to only add smart TVs, Streaming devices and phones to it. Other slower devices like older laptops, thermostats, and devices out of, what I would call, acceptable signal strength range of the 5 GHz network etc. are connected to the 2.4 GHz band.
I didn't originally intend for this post to be so long-winded but here we are. Basically, it could be any number of things. Try connecting your phone to the charger, connect to your 5GHz network, and run the test. Make sure you're running the test to the same server that you used when you ran the test on your hardlined computer. This way the numbers are directly comparable. If you live in a heavily populated area like an apartment building, there can be a fair amount of interference that will affect your experience. Luckily that band isn't as crowded and there are many channels that the router or you can choose from but, again, the wider the channel width the more likely you are to have interference. Speaking of playing with router settings, you can try optimizing your experience with things like channel width, channel, beacon interval, and QoS settings to start. Perform these tests at night when most people are sleeping to give you the fastest results.
Hope this helps. Let me know how it goes!
Source: The Internet, Netgear, Qualcomm, Cisco, Intel, my B.S. in Computer Security
Alcolawl said:
That's pretty low. I get 350 mbps down and like 30 Up at home and my wireless download speed beats that. This is using an ASUS RT1900P Router connected to a Motorola SB6190 Gigabit Modem. There are many things that can come into play here.
First of all, let's understand what the Pixel is capable of. According to Qualcomm, the Snapdragon 820/821 is capable of 802.11ad and 802.11ac 2x2 MU-MIMO. This means a peak speed of 867 mbps. Pretty close to your gigabit connection's speed and more than you'll probably ever need for your cellphone. I must mention, however, that there is a thread around here somewhere that seems to have confirmed that wifi speeds throttle when the phone is not plugged into a charger. I'm not sure if that has been fixed but Google is aware of it. I have a feeling that this is by design.
You seem to have the right, if not the best, router for the job. Just try to keep in mind there's a lot of sorcery that goes on behind the scenes with routers and there might be options, depending on how savvy you are, that you can enable or disable to make things faster. QoS comes to mind, which I'm sure the router has enabled by default. If there are other people in your home or on your network streaming or downloading/uploading things the router is going to prioritize traffic a certain way so everyone's experience stays the same. Not to mention this will take a chunk out of the bandwidth available from your ISP. Additionally, the 802.11ad sounds awesome, but cannot get through walls that well. Like at all. It's purely Line of Sight. So unless you're in the same room as your Router, you're not going to experience the benefit of the Wireless-AD 60GHz madness. Channel Width has a direct effect on the theoretical speeds you can achieve with your wireless network. I have a feeling the router automatically chooses channel width based on the other networks in the area. Most of the time, the 160 MHz or 80 MHz channel width won't be selected by default, which seems like what you want. Read up on Channel Widths and why it isn't always beneficial to choose the widest one. The wider the channel width, the more channels you utilize, which means an increased chance for a nearby network to be using the same channel.
It's a good idea to micromanage which devices on your network are connected to which band. Try to keep slower, legacy and non-essential devices on the 2.4 GHz band. This preserves the speed of the 5 GHz band. In my home, I've passworded the 5 GHz network differently than the 2.4 GHz network and made sure to only add smart TVs, Streaming devices and phones to it. Other slower devices like older laptops, thermostats, and devices out of, what I would call, acceptable signal strength range of the 5 GHz network etc. are connected to the 2.4 GHz band.
I didn't originally intend for this post to be so long-winded but here we are. Basically, it could be any number of things. Try connecting your phone to the charger, connect to your 5GHz network, and run the test. Make sure you're running the test to the same server that you used when you ran the test on your hardlined computer. This way the numbers are directly comparable. If you live in a heavily populated area like an apartment building, there can be a fair amount of interference that will affect your experience. Luckily that band isn't as crowded and there are many channels that the router or you can choose from but, again, the wider the channel width the more likely you are to have interference. Speaking of playing with router settings, you can try optimizing your experience with things like channel width, channel, beacon interval, and QoS settings to start. Perform these tests at night when most people are sleeping to give you the fastest results.
Hope this helps. Let me know how it goes!
Source: The Internet, Netgear, Qualcomm, Cisco, Intel, my B.S. in Computer Security
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Thank you for this post. This phone is able to pick up on 802.11ad?? I am not seeing that on my list of wireless options. I am in the same room as the router. Something is not right with the router. will def plug in the phone and try to do the speed test again tonight when I get home.
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Thank you for this post. This phone is able to pick up on 802.11ad?? I am not seeing that on my list of wireless options. I am in the same room as the router. Something is not right with the router. will def plug in the phone and try to do the speed test again tonight when I get home.
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I have not had the chance to connect to an 802.11ad source yet, so I'm not sure what the experience is like as far as connecting to it. It might be seamless as long as the router has band steering. That is, when looking at the WiFi list, I'm not sure if there will be three networks there or just two. Try to think of 802.11ad as complementary to your current 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands. Wireless AD was really just a concept or in testing when I was in school for this stuff so I don't have a huge amount of knowledge of how the experience works. Might have to wait for someone else to chime in in that regard.
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I have not had the chance to connect to an 802.11ad source yet, so I'm not sure what the experience is like as far as connecting to it. It might be seamless as long as the router has band steering. That is, when looking at the WiFi list, I'm not sure if there will be three networks there or just two. Try to think of 802.11ad as complementary to your current 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands. Wireless AD was really just a concept or in testing when I was in school for this stuff so I don't have a huge amount of knowledge of how the experience works. Might have to wait for someone else to chime in in that regard.
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the x10 has 3 different bands, 2.4 , 5 and 60 hz . I am thinking the 60hz is 802.11 ad, I could be wrong??
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the x10 has 3 different bands, 2.4 , 5 and 60 hz . I am thinking the 60hz is 802.11 ad, I could be wrong??
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You are correct. I just don't know if 802.11ad is complimentary to the 5Ghz band in a way where the client will switch between the two seamlessly or if you have to explicitly tell the device to connect to the 60 GHz band.
Have you ever gone to your router configuration page or is that stuff kind of over your head? I wonder if the 60 GHz band is disabled out of the box
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You are correct. I just don't know if 802.11ad is complimentary to the 5Ghz band in a way where the client will switch between the two seamlessly or if you have to explicitly tell the device to connect to the 60 GHz band.
Have you ever gone to your router configuration page or is that stuff kind of over your head? I wonder if the 60 GHz band is disabled out of the box
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It's enabled and my phone is unable to pickup that band. I'm gonna test some more tonight when I get home. Plug in the phone and test it out. The router could be a lemon.
This may have been the problem...
By default, 20/40 MHz Coexistence is enabled on your NETGEAR router to avoid interference between wireless networks. You can disable this feature to help your devices connect at the maximum supported wireless speed.
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By default, 20/40 MHz Coexistence is enabled on your NETGEAR router to avoid interference between wireless networks. You can disable this feature to help your devices connect at the maximum supported wireless speed.
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This is what I suspected. My first post explains exactly why this is the default setting on that router. If you live in a neighborhood where the houses are a decent distance apart, you can try enabling the 80 MHz or 160 MHz channel widths, but if you're in a more densely populated area, this wouldn't be a good move. Download a WiFi Analyzer app from the Play Store to be sure. I believe Netgear makes a good one. The goal is to not use any channels that the other networks reaching your home use. If you still have the instruction manual for your router you can try playing with the settings yourself on your hardlined computer. I'm not familiar with the Netgear UI but it should be pretty straightforward. Nothing to be apprehensive about, really, almost anything can be reversed or undone. Usually the default IP is 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1. Type that into an internet browser and you can tweak everything from there.
Most people just plug their routers in and never touch any of the settings. The settings in there are powerful and can be used to harness the full potential of your router and really optimize your network. It usually takes a lot of time, wifi analyses, and a decent amount of reading to get it just the way you want it. But when you do, it's awesome.
Bumping this because I'm upgrading to 1gbps connection and I was searching how much speed does the Pixel og support.
I found this article and I think it's useful because it's a real test made on the pixel. I'ts a little bit old, but just in case someone is interested, here it is.