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WM5 Versus WM6 day to day annoyances

I wanted to start a thread so that we can discuss what improvements we the USER has noticed with WM6 versus WM5. I am not talking about the "standard" M$ improvements but what we the end user has noticed by day to day usage. You can see in my signature what ROM etc. I am using.
Here is what I have noticed after upgrading to WM6:
1. Windows Media Player does not freeze after playing/stopping a track.
2. System always connects via Wifi when available (Messaging,PIE). In WM5 this was always an annoyance. If I would start Messaging and then turn on WiFi my device would always connect via GPRS and not Wifi. This annoyance has completely disappeared.
3. Skype. If I had opened many programs in WM5 and even though I would go and manually close all programs Skype would not start unless I did a soft reset. I never need to soft reset my device to use Skype with WM6.
4. Speed! I noticed a major speed increase with my device versus the standard HTC WM5 ROM. Due to great "cooking"
5. Stability! I can not remember when my device locked up?? Due to great "cooking"

My only annoyance with WM6 compared to WM5 is the way the on screen keyboard doesn't appear when i tap on an input field such as a new sms message/email, word document, web page form, etc. The keyboard should pop-up automatically except if the hardware keyboard is already pulled out, fairly obvious really?!
This was a fairly random affair with WM5, some times it did, sometimes it didn't, it never does now.

Omg 3g
i love the 3g tethering on wm6 (and aku 3.3) compared to wm5 with aku 2.3. It always works, with the old one i followed the setup instructions to the t but it only worked half the time and there were too many things you have to disable beforehand, I am typically surrounded by a lot of tech clueless bstrds students in my school, and being able to tether up and get internet anywhere easily is like i just performed a magical feat right infront of their eyes!!

WM6 ROM without "no wake up from sleep" ?

HI Guys!
I want to know if is there any WM6 rom that don't have the 'no wake up from sleep' problem. I rely a lot on my TyTN and is annoying some times to try to turn it on and realize it's hang and i missed a lot of important calls.
I tested two WM6 roms, and they got lot of issues. One got the "lost SD" problem and now I'm using Faria Superclean 3. Very good rom, but sometimes it dont wake up right. (the fix out there dosn't help)

I haven't had a SOD incident since going to my latest ROM which is based on the "official" build (CE 5.2.1437 build 17944.0.3.1). While cooking this ROM, I took great pains to leave the production power management software intact (including the "older style" battery status cpanel plugin).
I'm guessing that M$ fixed this issue and that all ROMs directly derived from the official build that haven't had the power management software modified either won't experience SOD at all or will exhibit greatly reduced SOD frequencies.

Never had that problem on vp3G 3.0

GldRush98 said:
Never had that problem on vp3G 3.0
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Same here.

GldRush98 said:
Never had that problem on vp3G 3.0
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How much time do you tested it? I got weeks without this problem and suddenly it happens twice in a day

shagratt any luck? have you found a fix?

from my understanding the problem was if you had your pop mail setting to automatically check for new mail, and it did it while the hermes was sleeping, it wouldn't wake up. when i put my settings to manual i stopped having the problem. what we need is for someone to confirm with the official wm6 rom or att wm6 rom if this problem still exist. if it doesn't then i'll think about switching from black 3.0.1. to something newer.

No issue with Dopod official ROM
Haven't had any SOD since running the official Dopod WM 6.0 since about a month ago. My ActiveSync settings are "As items arrive" always.
I did have it on a number of xda-forum builds previously on the same hardware and same microSD card ... so the official WM 6.0 seems to have fixed it.

fb401 said:
from my understanding the problem was if you had your pop mail setting to automatically check for new mail, and it did it while the hermes was sleeping, it wouldn't wake up. when i put my settings to manual i stopped having the problem. what we need is for someone to confirm with the official wm6 rom or att wm6 rom if this problem still exist. if it doesn't then i'll think about switching from black 3.0.1. to something newer.
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I dont use mail on the hermes
But my Weather home plugin perhaps is trying to update its data. Now I'm testing the settings to update it manually. (no hangs since I write this post)
What's annoy me is that I can be months without this and then it begin to happens frequently : o /

Since moving to the Dopod and official HTC rom I've had zero SOD's. I was getting them every hour at one point on black and on LSVW.
Neil.

SOD issues
Strangely enough, I didnt start experiencing SOD issues UNTIL I switched to the newer roms based on the "official" WM6 Rom...I had it with VP3G and eventually loaded Satin and the problems continued. Most of my problems seemed to be centered around shortcuts I had on my today screen for programs loaded on my sd card. After "waking" and trying to run some of the shortcuts it would take several tries or it would cause lockups or SODs. Boz pointed me to the following patch which has seemed to fix all the sd card shortcuts problems as well as the SODs I was experiencing. The only thing that seems to still cause SODs for me is if I am trying to download a large file directly to the sd card via the internet and the phone goes into standby it will still cause the SOD. But realistically I wouldnt be downloading large files like that very often, and if I have to I can just connect my usb charger or ac charger to make sure it doesnt go into standby.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/local_links.php?action=jump&id=16&catid=6

I use 3g's WM6 and never had the SOD until I installed a podcast collector (smart-rss). Then, every morning when I woke up I had to play the game to get the phone working. Finally found it was easier to just hard reset and reload from the nightly backup that seems to still work. About a week ago I uninstalled SmartRSS and it hasn't had the SOD since. Certinly seems like the common thread here is for the phone to be doing data transferes while it is asleep.

Had a SOD once with Schaps 3.57a and it turned out that it was a
corrupted cemail.vol file which caused the trouble. After SR it started
first fine and than hung everytime when accessed the Messagin file
cemail.vol. After I created a new one on storage card and pointed
to it in registry and SR, deleted the old corrupted one the problem
did never occur since today. Puuuhhh...
I am absolutely sure that all SODs come from any corrupted databases
or incompatible programs which cause wakeup issues. The trick is to
find out what application is the culprit
Olioaglio

Is KaioneSoft SprintDB dead?

KaioneSoft SprintDB has not offered a solution for WM6. They still sell a patched version of their PPC2003 software that sorta works with WM5. At the KaioneSoft website there no signs of life since August 06 and I believe they are no longer active(except to collect money selling obsolete software).
My questions to the group:
Have you migrated out of KaioneSoft SprintDB?
If so what did you migrate to?
Thanks for your help,
N2O2

I am currently helping them with a WM6 version - as you would be aware, the major issue is the difference in the synch, otherwise SprintDB works well in WM6 - think we are reasonably close to a solution... dont worry, I was getting mightily frustrated myself with this lack of movement. I now have the ability to synch - albeit not quite as elegant as previously.

Thanks for the response. And thanks for helping out SprintDB project.
Unfortunately a database solution without synchronization is not useful to us. For our application to function we need to share data...
My concern with SprintDB is that they move so very slow. So ok, thanks to you, we are near a solution for WM6. Where will be when WM7 hits? Lost again? The newer operating systems are addressing some windows mobile shortcomings like security. These type of improvements more then interest me a little.
I've tested all the latest versions of our software on WM6 and SprintDB is the only one that won't function for us.
It would be good if KaioneSoft would keep us updated through their website, instead of pretending that the issue doesn't exist. Forcing their long time users to wade around the internet forums for solutions. I can't understand why they don't make the issue known on their website, unless they expect to sell to WM6 customers. I'm sure they refund unsuspecting WM6 purchasers, but not being forthright about the issue is more then a little shifty. I'm questioning if this software vendor is responsible enough to trust my databases to.
I have stopped further development with SprintDB and we are testing other solutions. So far Syware is the leading candidate and appears to be a very active company. Has anyone other opinions on database software for WM6?
Long time SprintDB user losing confidence,
N2O2

Hi, I've been using a SprintDB Pro database I developed a couple years ago, and now I'm looking at upgrading to a new device with WM 6. I use this app everyday, now have over 8000 records, and I was so bummed to learn that (1) ActiveSync 4.5 it seems does not support sync'ing databases anymore, and (2) SprintDB doesn't sync on WM 6. I would hate to have to ditch this thing and start over on another db product.
Any advice? Without the ability to sync on WM 6, then what? Can I at least back up my database? Would there be some other way to convert the cdb to something i can edit on the PC?
Any idea *when* SprintDB will fully suport WM 6? (Call me cynical, but hearing "I think we're reasonably close" does not sound to me like a release will happen very soon.)
Does anyone know more about this ActiveSync 4.5 limitation? Does that mean I just need to stay with an older version, or is there more to this?
Finally, if it does come to switching products, any other suggestions besides Syware (which I will check out)? Do any allow me to convert my forms, macros, etc. from SprintDB?
Thanks for any answers or advice!

Sprint DB
Wow, an impressive set of questions.
First off MLK is correct the program itself functions properly under WM6, the issue is with the sync. The sync issue exists because M$ removed Mobile Access support starting with WM5/ActiveSync4. SprintDB developed a work around that made AS4 function with their program that was designed for PPC2003. That work around no longer functions WM6. because M$ further slashed AS4.5
WM6 requires at least AS4.5 or Vista.
SprintDB told me in March 07 that a WM6 sync fix would be available in July 07. We are still waiting. In SrintDB's defense: I think this task is substantial, they are attempting to develop an Activesync type database sync with a deliberate slash of support by M$ in AS4 and 4.5.
It sounds as if you don't need to merge your PC database(mdb) with your WM database(cdb). If you can get away with simply converting your cdb to mdb and back to cdb, although a bit clumsy a program like "Access Converter" free from Kaisoft may be a work around. You could then stay with SprintDB saving the development cost of a migration.
http://www.pocketkai.net/asp/en/index-en.html
If you need to manage two databases the merge their contents ie WM6 <-> W2K the only solution I see is ODBC. This has the advantage of syncing your data via cell or Wifi connection. Unfortunatly this will involve having to redevelop your forms queries structure in another DB program such as Syware. I'm not aware of conversion utilities to migrate from SprintDB to another aplication. (Hint to developers reading in: You could gain the entire customer base from SprintDB if you offer such a function.)
I'm still looking for other DB options if there are suggestions.
Hope this helps. Good Luck.

Thank you N2O2, that was a very thoughtful reply and quite helpful.
The word I got from KaioneSoft Support is they expect to have a new version with sync for wm6 in about 1 month. If that happens, I'll be happy. Meanwhile, it sounds like Access Converter will let me squeak by until that release.

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The word I got from KaioneSoft Support is they expect to have a new version with sync for wm6 in about 1 month.
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KaioneSoft sends this answer every month, does this whenever you send a message that requests the solution to this problem.

Sorry guys, meant to correct this ages ago & only just noticed... new version is out & works with full sync - not as good as previous in that you have to initiate the sync, but at least it works.
Further to this, if the PPC has low memory, or the DB is "of a size" then sometimes the sync can incorrectly report a successful sync - I have another beta I am testing that looks to resolve this, so go 4 it, it looks like they have come through at last.

Works about 95%
Go for it, SprintDB is back & working better than the betas - have been using it noe for a few months without a hitch, save the odd refresh (thats why the 95% - think it gets tired every so often, mind you that be because my PPC is a memory hog & something is chewng it up without my knowledge - not SprintDB, something else I havent tracked as yet)

SprintDB working great but...
HI all,
I have been using SprintDB for years and love it. The new version seems to be working well, but I have sent in 4 support questions to KaioneSoft over a week ago and received only one response in the last few minutes.
I backup my data by exporting the data tables to csv files throughout the day. Twice now I have gotten an "Out of Memory" error at the end of a day, and the program crashes. I have tracked my memory use after each csv export and see that 1M of memory is added after each csv export and never released. So my memory gets eaten up all day long until I run out. Of course the workaround is just to close the program occasionally and reopen. But since you can lose your most recent changes I wanted to warn others about this problem.
Also, I noticed that I get an error message after about the second time I sync data, yet the data seem ok and I can't tell what is causing the error.
Anyone else with this issue?
Thanks,
Pat

phmurphy said:
HI all,
I have been using SprintDB for years and love it. The new version seems to be working well, but I have sent in 4 support questions to KaioneSoft over a week ago and received only one response in the last few minutes.
I backup my data by exporting the data tables to csv files throughout the day. Twice now I have gotten an "Out of Memory" error at the end of a day, and the program crashes. I have tracked my memory use after each csv export and see that 1M of memory is added after each csv export and never released. So my memory gets eaten up all day long until I run out. Of course the workaround is just to close the program occasionally and reopen. But since you can lose your most recent changes I wanted to warn others about this problem.
Also, I noticed that I get an error message after about the second time I sync data, yet the data seem ok and I can't tell what is causing the error.
Anyone else with this issue?
Thanks,
Pat
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Which version are you using - this sounds very much like an old beta I had a while ago. FYI, I am using 1.5.0 (Build 1920)

Problem with WM 6.1

I downloaded Windows Mobile 6.1 about 2 weeks ago and I have really thought it to be a step up from version 5. However, I am having a problem with the messaging. When I go to my inbox it says it is receiving an MMS and the clock on top is pushed over to the middle. After this it will start scooting the whole screen over to the left. Also, I am unable to run messaging after this because it seems to time out or something. I have uninstalled 6.1 and downloaded it again hoping this will fix the problem but it never does. I was wondering if anybody has had this problem or if anybody knows how to fix it before I return to the T-Mobile recommended WM.
Thanks,
Brad

did you use the built in connection setup program? If not, start there. I have played with a lot of the 6.1's on my Dashes, and the connection wizard has always worked for me

yeah, still no luck.. i'm thinking it has to be a problem with the WM 6.1 itself, although i've tried to find a different version each time i've had to install it again.

6.1
Have you tried Rickwatt's v24, I've been using it for a while , done a lot of modding and I've never had any mayor problems.

I installed v24 to my phone 2 days ago and it is still doing the same thing. I'm not sure what is going on, i was hoping somebody had had this problem before.

WiFi not connecting on startup or resume

Hello.
I'm starting this new thread because I can't find anything similar in other threads.
I've got a brand new htc tp2, bought it a few days ago with official Windows Mobile 6.1 Italian ROM.
Then I updated to the new official Windows Mobile 6.5 Italian ROM from HTC.com and all seems to be OK, except for something strange I guess maybe really a bug of the operating system.
Every time I boot-up or resume from standby, I must reactivate wifi connection manually. The strange is, communication manager says wifi is on, while the wifi activation checkbox in settings page says it's not, and it's really not.
* HTC support sayd it's a system-specific functionality *
Don't joke please, it's really annoying to activate wifi manually every time I bring my phone in the hand, and I wonder why somebody in the development team may want to do something "original" like this.
I've got also a WM5 P3600 and WM6.1 Diamond, and none of them has this kind of issue. And the same was my TP2 befor upgrading to the new ROM.
Now I'd like to know if somebody has seen anything similar and I will appreciate any kind of suggestion.

In 6.5
I agree. Really annoying. Just upgraded to WM6.5 and it has the 'feature' that WiFi has to be started everytime the PPC powers up. Why? Is there a fix?

I think the idea behind this "feature" is that, when Wifi is on according to HTC but off in Windows, the HTC code will automatically turn on Wifi in Windows as soon as a program tries to access the internet. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any way to turn this behavior off. It causes problems in Opera because even after the Wifi is automatically turned on, Opera doesn't notice the new connection and remains stuck trying to load the page. I then have to press Stop and Go or Refresh to get it to use the newly established Wifi connection.

Well guys, I've read some more threads in this forum talking about similar problems (but not the same) and analysed some instructions about modifying registry data.
The idea behind the feature was correct, that is WiFi will remain like sleeping after startup or resume but will effectively activate on-demand when any application will require it to activate.
Now, surfing the registry I've probably found what I was searching for: looking at the key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006} I read a default value of 4, which means "OFF", and I modified the value to 0, which is "FULL POWER".
Now my WiFi seems to be fully functional.
Hope this will be useful for you all.

aq71bo;4747347 surfing the registry I've probably found what I was searching for: looking at the key [B said:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006} I read a default value of 4, which means "OFF", and I modified the value to 0[/B], which is "FULL POWER".
Now my WiFi seems to be fully functional.
Hope this will be useful for you all.
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I had did that mod and then also did the KeepWiFiOnWhenUnattended mod as well and wifi havent went off yet

Unfortunately didnt work for WWE TP2
Unfortunately this hack didn't work for me. (Official stock WWE WM6.5 ROM).
I applied the Power Fix as outlined above on its own - no joy.
Then additionally did the KeepWiFiOnWhenUnattended key - no joy.
Also changed the other keys in the power group:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\*\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}
to zero as per a Topaz thread that I found.
Still no joy.
This is a very annoying feature of WM6.5 and something that I hope someone can fix soon!
(BTW: On WM6.1 the KeepWiFiOnWhenUnattended Hack used to work on its own. Now KeepWiFiOnWhenUnattended gets reset to 0 on every re-boot or resume from suspend.)

It's just how the Rhodium software from HTC handles the WiFi. If you use a cooked ROM, like mine for example with different software from LEO device the WiFi works as it did in previous devices.

i guess we lost one great hack to 6.5.. its the simple things people never pay attention to and dont try and fix it

Hello
check this out
I hope this will help you too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575256