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BT GPS Copilot PIN?

Hi,
I have a problem with a Bluetooth GPS receiver (COPILOT) and pairing it with the XDA II.Why does it always asks me for a device PIN.I haven't got one.Why do I need one and why can I not do it without a DEvcie PIN ?
I am ROM 1.6 and Radio 1.1
Help would very much appreciated.
Heiko

To prevent people from making unauthorized use of the unit! If you haven't got the pin then there's probably something fishy about the way you got it ........
Do you have a manual? it should be in there.

Nothing fishy about it.Bought it from expansys.Does every device need a PIN then.Got Software activation code and all the boxes and manual.
Are not explaining pairing in the manual at all.Should just work according to the Manual.
Heiko

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All you needed to do was search the forum for Copilot.

I searched for Bluetooth and GPS,but Copilot did not come to mind.
I think I am a bit fed up in having so many problems.
EXPANSYS seem to have sent me an incomplete package.Only half the Vent mount kit and no instruction booklet for GPS.
Thanks very much.You made my day!
I am very grateful to you for that info.
Hope it will sort my problem.
Heiko

I am step furher .I got the two paired now.
It seems that I have no proper manual for the GPS receiver would anybody know which Com Port I need to set it to and what speed ?I get a green tick for GPS Comp Port Opened and when I choose Setup GPS,
Automatic seems not to detect.I get error message "Automatic GPS connection failed.Verify that your receiver is connected.".
Any ideas?
Thanks Heiko

Try com 5, assuming you answered yes to the question about serial device when bonding the gps.

I think for future reference here is my painful configuration experience of COPILOT Version 5 with a Copilot Bluetooth GPS receiver and XDA II.
1.Check that the Quickstart Package is complete:
-GPS receiver User Guide,Ventmount Kit with attachment for PDA,Bluetooth PIN code for GPS receiver.
- User/Installation Guide
- CDs and 128Mbyte SD card
2.Install the Software from the SD Card according to the User Guide
3.Check the Version number and note it down.Go to the Technical Support section of the Copilot Website and see whether there are any Patches available.
3.Deinstall the software from your device and install the patched software which you need to copy onto your SD card.
4.Install the software.
3.Check that you have bonded your Bluetooth GPS receiver with the XDA II and enable Comport 4Inbound and 5 Outbound.(ROM Version 1.60)
5.Use Code 0183 as the Bluetooth device PIN code
6.Go into Copilot software and everything should work as it did for me if you haven't lost the will to live by this time !
7.read this first : Buy a SatNav system with your car and haggle with the salesman like mad (its quicker).
Hope this helps everyone else as people helped me here.
Thanks
Heiko

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for the code
I was just about to give up, but the 0183 code worked like a charm. I have the new PPC6700 with WM5 and all of a sudden it wants the code. Previous versions never needed it. You just saved me $150.
Thanks again

Tom Tom + GPS Reciver for TYTN

Hi,
Thinking about getting a TYTN and never had GPS navigation before so a bit of a noob. Whats the best kit to get, I would need the software and a GPS reciever so whats best to get.
I have found this - http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=142&xSec=8
Or is a bluetooth GPS receiver better? - http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=154&xSec=8
If its agains the rules to link to those websites I will delete them.

If you get the TomTom software then get the TomTom receiver as well because it will work right out of the box. Setting up non-TomTom satellite receivers in TomTom is a real pain in the backside.

I had absolutely no problems setting up TomTom with Holux GPSlim236.
Just pair the gpsreceiver with the phone and assing it a com port,
then select the correct port in TomTom. Works like a charm.
TomTom will even enable blutooth by itself.

Holux GPSlim 236
Also using the Holux without any problems. Small device with good battery lifetime and fast fix. Buy a small GPS so you don't have to leave it in your car. Thieves like them now everyone is taking his mobile out and radios tend to be build in by the car manufacturer.
Also take a look at i-Go software instead of TomTom. More maps available for East Europe and many nice features. Very fast on a TyTN! Can be installed from SD card.
Or look out for the SD version of TT5. It's always handy to be able to install a fresh version from the SD card after a PDA crash when there is no PC near. All other versions need Activesync to install, which you probably won't habe able to do on a holiday trip!
pbw

TMC and/or MSND services for Trinity

Hi everyone.
I have been doing an excessive reading looking for a way to have traffic info on Trinity, besides Google maps. Both iGO and TomTom provide TMC related navigation, and igo supports MSN direct as well. The problem is our Trinity lacks FM receiver for the service.
TomTom offers TMC over GRPS services. It is offered only in Europe (I am in the US) and the service in California for TomTom is, how to say it, 'not accurate' .
So I am with iGO8 and I am pretty happy with it. Now I am looking into a solution for TMC or MSND. Yes, I saw the GNS solution of adding a FM receiver and sending the signal over blue tooth, but it isn't going to work for me, as I can't add it between my radio and the antenna unless I pay some major $$$ to an Audi to do it (or lose warranty...). There will be an external unit in Q1/09 but what i am really into is to have the service emulated by code. Did any of you have found a TMC or MSND service through GPRS service? I am looking into a paid service (sure, free would be better) like MSND offers, but I have the hardware obstacle to pass...
Ah, one more thing- never tried to connect a BT device to a COM port, and have hands free at the same time... I would like to find out if this is working or not, as I suspect the BT gateway on Trinity may have hard time with it while on call. Not that I care if TMC/MSND flow will stop while on a call if it resumes automatically after..
Thanks in advance.

BigE said:
Hi everyone.
I have been doing an excessive reading looking for a way to have traffic info on Trinity, besides Google maps. Both iGO and TomTom provide TMC related navigation, and igo supports MSN direct as well. The problem is our Trinity lacks FM receiver for the service.
TomTom offers TMC over GRPS services. It is offered only in Europe (I am in the US) and the service in California for TomTom is, how to say it, 'not accurate' .
So I am with iGO8 and I am pretty happy with it. Now I am looking into a solution for TMC or MSND. Yes, I saw the GNS solution of adding a FM receiver and sending the signal over blue tooth, but it isn't going to work for me, as I can't add it between my radio and the antenna unless I pay some major $$$ to an Audi to do it (or lose warranty...). There will be an external unit in Q1/09 but what i am really into is to have the service emulated by code. Did any of you have found a TMC or MSND service through GPRS service? I am looking into a paid service (sure, free would be better) like MSND offers, but I have the hardware obstacle to pass...
Ah, one more thing- never tried to connect a BT device to a COM port, and have hands free at the same time... I would like to find out if this is working or not, as I suspect the BT gateway on Trinity may have hard time with it while on call. Not that I care if TMC/MSND flow will stop while on a call if it resumes automatically after..
Thanks in advance.
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You can buy a Bluetooth Gps mouse with tmc so it would be the best for you. I think.

Well, adding any hardware to an 'all in one' device is kind of defeating the purpose. I am specifically seeking a software solution, emulation, a signal over GPRS kind of solution. It seems there isn't one and I wonder why. After all, at least for MSND, it sounds kind of logical. BTW - XM radio has the MSND signal embedded, but again, no clue how to communicate it to the trinity...
So adding hardware isn't a great one, but thanks of the offer. I have considered it before posting and turned it down. I'd like a phone in the pocket without running wires, battery operated devices, etc. I may be dreaming, but hey, even the new diamond , touch HD and fuze suffer the same problem, I think. I know the Diamond has FM radio, but still no TMC or MSND...

Hey Man ,
I've installed the GNS module in my Audi A3
realy easy so you should be able to do so. maybe explore that option some more.
GreetZ

Which GNS module?
The more I look for a solution, the more I am convinced a TMC over bluetooth is the solution... The only thing is I have no clue which is the right one to buy...
Neo-morpheus, assuming we have the same connections needed, what was the one you have purchased from GNS?

Hi there, i have just purchased the GNS 5870 Bluetooth TMC, although its for my touch HD i will let you know the progress.
BTW i never found any other way with any software to connect TMC through the radio, it just doesn't work at present. Some say it recognise's through IGO8 but does not connect
Hope this helps

Argh ... looking for the GNS 5870 for a while ... could you tell me where you bought it ?

GNS trafficBox FM9 and trinity
Hi folks,
OK, listened to the advice on this thread, i have purchased a TMC reciever from GNS. I have a Trinity (WM6.1) phone and I use iGO8 R3.
Setting up the TMC receiver in iGO returns only one thing- TMC hardware not found. There are 3 variables (can be auto or manually set): TMC protocol, COM port, and Baud rate.
I am in the USA (California to be exact). Is there a way to make it work? Even if there isn't a TMC signal, why does the phone claims no hardware found?
BigE

Well, I think that the first thing you have to do is to establish a "connection" between your PDA and your Bluetooth TMC receiver. From your PDA:
- start/parameters
- choose the connexion tab
- start the bluetooth application
- switch on your TMC receiver,
- select "add a new machine" (don't known the exact wording, I've got WM 6.1 French version),
- when recognized, select your TM receiver and then click next
- enter the authentication code (if requested ... usually, it is as simple as 0000 ... should be part of your TMC receiver documentation),
- after that, you should associate a port number to your bluetooth TMC receiver (don't remeber exactly how to do that but this should be done from this application ... anyway: google is your friend )
After that, start iGO8 and move to the TMC configuration page. If the automatic detection does not work then:
- select GNS,
- select the port number you have just chosen
- select a bitrate (or keep "auto" ...)
And that should work
@+
JBM

BigE said:
Hi folks,
OK, listened to the advice on this thread, i have purchased a TMC reciever from GNS. I have a Trinity (WM6.1) phone and I use iGO8 R3.
Setting up the TMC receiver in iGO returns only one thing- TMC hardware not found. There are 3 variables (can be auto or manually set): TMC protocol, COM port, and Baud rate.
I am in the USA (California to be exact). Is there a way to make it work? Even if there isn't a TMC signal, why does the phone claims no hardware found?
BigE
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jbm31 said:
Well, I think that the first thing you have to do is to establish a "connection" between your PDA and your Bluetooth TMC receiver. From your PDA:
- start/parameters
- choose the connexion tab
- start the bluetooth application
- switch on your TMC receiver,
- select "add a new machine" (don't known the exact wording, I've got WM 6.1 French version),
- when recognized, select your TM receiver and then click next
- enter the authentication code (if requested ... usually, it is as simple as 0000 ... should be part of your TMC receiver documentation),
- after that, you should associate a port number to your bluetooth TMC receiver (don't remeber exactly how to do that but this should be done from this application ... anyway: google is your friend )
After that, start iGO8 and move to the TMC configuration page. If the automatic detection does not work then:
- select GNS,
- select the port number you have just chosen
- select a bitrate (or keep "auto" ...)
And that should work
@+
JBM
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Looking to do the same thing with my ATT Fuze and HTC Advantage. I'm using IGO8 R3 and have my eye on the GNS 5870.
BigE, JBM can you confirm this working and comment on any issues? Could you post any pictures, video or screen shots?
Thanks

not sure that GNS 5870 is already available (mass production: Q1-2009). I used to use a Royaltek TMC+GPS receiver with IGO8-R1 but this one is now out of order now.

Gns bt gps+tmc
datruth ,
Can't confirm, as I did not buy it. I don't see a reason to spend 120 Euro, plus shipping (another $25) . The trinity (and the Fuze) have built in GPS, and i hate carrying two devices instead of one. if I was going to have a GPS external, i wouldn't bother buying a device with GPS..
I tried having TMC only added. With the serial port solution i failes, as it sems most HTC devices do not host the serial port (hence both the GNS device and the phone are clients) . GNS tech support offered my to send it back. i did not make up my mind yet what I am going to do. In the meantime i am trying Zeno's serial port host driver as the trinity supposes to ahve the hardware for it, but it looks like client and host have different wiring to the USB connector, as it still does not work. GNS claims only BT is the solution. I was too busy to take it on, so in the meantime, all I can confirm is serial port will not work for most of us.

correction: GNS 5870 available since Feb 2009. Waiting for mine (delivery in progress).

Is TMC a free service in the US?
I read on another site that even if I had a compatible TMC receiver for my HTC Advantage running iGo8 I would still need a subscription to get traffic updates. Is this true? Has anyone been able to get traffic working at all in the US.
I was under the assumption that the TMC service was similer to GPS. It's broadcast everywhere and you just need a receiver to take advantage of the service. Am I wrong in my thinking?
This is a reply I just received from the company GNS.
thank you for your inquiry. Yes, the GNS GPS-RDS/TMC-Receiver 5870 (see: http://www.gns-gmbh.com/shop/xtc/pr...DS-TMC-Receiver-Bluetooth-32-channel-GPS.html ) works also with the navigation software iGO8 and HTC Advantage 7500. But you can use the GNS TrafficBoxPlus-FM9BT-Y (see: http://www.gns-gmbh.com/shop/xtc/index.php?language=en& ) as external Bluetooth TMC-receiver, which is less expencive then the GNS receiver 5870.
PS: Please check if your navigation software (and maps) supports the american TMC service.
Best regards
Gerd Sept

How many BT can work simultaniously?
I wonder if I am purchasing the BT device and pair it to my phone, can the HTC device handle both TMC signal and a BT headset at the same time?
From GNS I was told the USB version I have will not work with Trinity because the USB is a client and not host on most phones. I tried installing Zeno's usb to serial and it does not work on my phone. I still can not identify TMC hardware.
As for iGO and American TMC, I guess the folks writing iGO took care of it, as they support so many different protocols, there is no reason for them not to identify the American TMC.
And if there is a paid service? Not that I know who offers it in the US. I assume it is off air and all it takes is a receiver, but since I did not have any success connecting, it is just a guess.
BigE

bluetooth questions

Hello
i just got my desire and i have some questions regarding bluetooth use.
maybe im just not finding the right menus but im a little bit stuck
so first the setup and what i have done: i have a bluetooth gps receiver and im trying to connect it to my desire.
i searched, then paired
and after that i get paired but not connected.
a) so how do i connect ? tapping on it didnt do anything and holding got me a menu to unpair the device
b) after i connect how do i create a serial port ? as i understand serial port profile should be usable on android
c) is there a way to autoconnect ?
d) are there any special menus for bluetooth other than the settings menu ?
i'm coming from winmo and im a little bit stuck here
and related to that, is there even a navigation software that can make use of a bluetooth gps receiver ? it seems at least navigon has no option to change the source
thanks in advance

I've not tried with a gps receiver, but I have to ask, why? Is the built in gps no good?

TulpiX said:
and related to that, is there even a navigation software that can make use of a bluetooth gps receiver ? it seems at least navigon has no option to change the source
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The currently available navigation software all use the Android system location services to get GPS information, and therefore do not have an option to connect to an external GPS unit.
I'm sure it a navigation solution developer could code their app to use external GPS if they so choose, as the APIs are there, but given that most Android devices have built in GPS they probably can't be bothered as it probably has limited appeal (though I do understand why some people might want it).
Regards,
Dave

hmm ok that answers some of my questions. thanks
what about the adding and connecting questions ?

[APP] Solution for using bluetooth GPS in many different applications!

I thought it would be of interesrt:
I found an app with which one can use an external bluetooth gps-mouse with many different apps. I am currently using it with google maps, C:geo, Motonav, even gpstest (where it only doesn't show the sat infos but everything else works).
Search for bluetooth gps provider in the market from mobile-j.de. It costs 1.99€ and it's well worth the money!
Now I have accuracy of 1.2 m and spot on tracks with my bt-gps.
Hugo
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

I did not manage to find it, can you please post it here?

Great find. 2 Euro well spent. 1m accuracy inside my home with my trusty old bluetooth gps
Cheers,
Ric
PS can't post link but if you google on 'bluetooth gps provider' then it is in the top results.

that was mentioned previously in the GPS blasting topic
yet every one believed it was a dud
now somebody else post it, and every one takes it for granted... great... this is just great...

AllGamer said:
that was mentioned previously in the GPS blasting topic
yet every one believed it was a dud
now somebody else post it, and every one takes it for granted... great... this is just great...
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Even if it was posted in the "GPS blasting topic", which I suppose is the GPS Poll topic, before it didn't catch my attention although this is a topic, that I am very closely following. What I did see was an app that catches raw NMEA data and put's it on the screen. Now that program is not useable for anything, while the app I mentioned above can distribute the GPS data to many different programs running on the SGS.
And not meaning to offend you, but I think that this little app is worth an extra thread rather than to be mentioned in a several hundered post thread where it drowns easily under the posts.
And if it was you, who found this app at first: Your the Man!

Just bought this, and tested it on my external Bluetooth GPS and wow, this app works perfectly with my tracks, run.gps, alpinequest, gps test, gps status, runner...

Works with EZCam which is great. Because my car has an infra-red coated windscreen the phone's GPS doesn't work when the phone is placed in the dashboard Brodit mount. This makes it possible for me to place the GPS unit in the rear, where there is no infrared coating.

Cant get this to work with any programs...
EDIT: After a couple of reboots and reconnects to my BT-GPS it works.
Thank you for the tip!

Just a short update:
The bluetooth gps provider app works with sygic mobile maps as well!

Alternative - use your Bluetooth GPS receiver as GPS source
Try this as an alternative: Bluetooth GPS Mouse (I have a link here as well -- but I am somehow not allowed to post links in this forum ). Anyhow, you should be able to find the program -- just search for 'Bluetooth GPS Mouse' in the Market
You can test it freely and later buy the commercial version if it works for you as well!

mrmagmrmag said:
Try this as an alternative: Bluetooth GPS Mouse (I have a link here as well -- but I am somehow not allowed to post links in this forum ). Anyhow, you should be able to find the program -- just search for 'Bluetooth GPS Mouse' in the Market
You can test it freely and later buy the commercial version if it works for you as well!
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I am using bluetooth gps mouse and it works quite well with sygic, motonav, copilot, navigon etc.
Of course it also depends on the quality of your external bluetooth gps receiver. I use the nokia ld-3w with a sirfstarIII chipset and replaceble battery. Probably there are better ones out there, but this one was cheap and works good.
My question is wich app is better: GPS mouse or GPS provider?
Shall I just stick with GPS mouse?
Greetz

betoNL said:
I am using bluetooth gps mouse and it works quite well with sygic, motonav, copilot, navigon etc.
Of course it also depends on the quality of your external bluetooth gps receiver. I use the nokia ld-3w with a sirfstarIII chipset and replaceble battery. Probably there are better ones out there, but this one was cheap and works good.
My question is wich app is better: GPS mouse or GPS provider?
Shall I just stick with GPS mouse?
Greetz
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I bought both program & i certainly want to recommend GPS provider over GPS mouse:
Pros of GPS Provider over GPS Mouse:
1. Icon on notification bar showing the program is running
2. Satellites signal status displayed in the program windows
3. The gps data streaming is smooth, i tested both with Papago satnav, GPS Provide makes the position mark run smoothly while GPS mouse cause the position pointer jerk while moving --> very weird behavior
So far both program stable, no force close encounter.
My final words, GPS mouse still premature...

yc1437 said:
I bought both program & i certainly want to recommend GPS provider over GPS mouse:
Pros of GPS Provider over GPS Mouse:
1. Icon on notification bar showing the program is running
2. Satellites signal status displayed in the program windows
3. The gps data streaming is smooth, i tested both with Papago satnav, GPS Provide makes the position mark run smoothly while GPS mouse cause the position pointer jerk while moving --> very weird behavior
So far both program stable, no force close encounter.
My final words, GPS mouse still premature...
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OK Thanks for your reply!
Just one more question:
With GPS provider do you also have to enable "allow mock locations" (Settings » Applicatios » Development » Allow mock locations) ?
Greetz

oops double posting

yc1437 said:
I bought both program & i certainly want to recommend GPS provider over GPS mouse:
Pros of GPS Provider over GPS Mouse:
1. Icon on notification bar showing the program is running
2. Satellites signal status displayed in the program windows
3. The gps data streaming is smooth, i tested both with Papago satnav, GPS Provide makes the position mark run smoothly while GPS mouse cause the position pointer jerk while moving --> very weird behavior
So far both program stable, no force close encounter.
My final words, GPS mouse still premature...
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Points 1 and 2 have been adressed by them now -- so you have both a status icon and a display of satellite SNR values. Another plus is that you can purchase the program outside of the Android market as well (which is a bonus as the market is not available in many countries).
I don't have problems with the position jerking around, but if there is an issue and you report it to them I guess it will be fixed soon.

Didn't try GPS Provider yet
Bluetooth GPS Mouse unlimited is doing great though...

Hi, I use Bluetooth gps mouse. I have zero problems.
I have try to use it with the app gps test but don't display the sattelites on this app.
Do you know a similar app to work with external gps so as can check how meny sattelites, signal e.t.c?

nanoo-eg said:
Hi, I use Bluetooth gps mouse. I have zero problems.
I have try to use it with the app gps test but don't display the sattelites on this app.
Do you know a similar app to work with external gps so as can check how meny sattelites, signal e.t.c?
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There is a free app called Bluetooth GPS form googoo android (nothing to do with "bluetooth gps mouse).
It connects to your external BT device (without the need of gps mouse)and gives nice readings and even your position on map (and that's all it does)
Have fun

Galaxy S GPS sucks and I didn't want to pay for something like that.
I don't understand either why I should give phone call or network access to such an application...
So I've have developed mine:
it' free,
it's open-source (you can verify what it's really doing and you can improve it!),
it just asks for needed permissions.
The application, as the previous one, allows to use an external bluetooth GPS on Android devices:
The application starts a service, then connects to a Bluetooth device (NMEA GPS) and creates a mock GPS provider which can be used to replace the internal GPS.
It's also possible to log the external GPS NMEA data in a file on the device.
The app needs the following permissions:
bluetooth and bluetooth admin (connection to the GPS device),
location and mock location (replace the GPS location provider by a new one using the bluetooth GPS device),
write external storage (if you want to log the NMEA data into a file on the sdcard).
It should run on all android devices (2.0 and above) and NMEA bluetooth devices.
I have tested it with a GlobalSat BT-338 bluetooth GPS (SiRF III), a Galaxy S (I9000) and a HTC Sapphire (Froyo CM-6).
It works with Google Maps, Wikitude, GoPenS and my own personal navigation app. Normally, it should work with all applications that use Android official location API.
Notes: in order to install the app:
enable Settings/Applications/Unknown sources,
enable Settings/Applications/Development/Allow mock locations,
download and install the apk.
You have also, of course, to enable bluetooth and pair the the phone with the GPS.
Project page:
Bluetooth GPS for Android on SourceForge
BlueGPS4Droid apk: BlueGps4Droid_1.0.apk

Just installed it, brilliant, I had a small BT GPS lying around anyway so I can now use it when GPS is important and not have to rely on the very flakey SGS GPS.
I hope Samsung is reading these forums!