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Three network SIMs not working but O2 & Vodaphone SIMS ok-HELP! I'm really confused
Cannot find a solution either searching the forums or via Google so perhaps someone can help by answering this post:
Got an XDA Orbit that works fine when I insert either an O2 sim or a vodaphone sim (so the phone appears not to be locked) but not when I use a 3 (three) sim. When I insert a 3 (three) sim I get the message "Invalid or missing SIM card". I have 2x three sims and both do the same thing. However both the 3 (three) sims work fine in my XDA exec and Sony Ericson K610i so there appears to be no fault with the sim. So if the SIM appears to work and the phone appears to be unlocked what else is there?
I have considered upgrading the ROM but there seem to be a lot of people either turning this phone into a brick or breaking wifi (needed) while updating the ROM on the Orbit. If someone can point me to a rom that works without doing either that might be a solution.
Details of ROM XDA Orbit is running:
ROM version: 1.25.206.2 WWE
ROM date: 10/4/06
Radio version: 02.67.90
Protocol version: 4.1.13.28
ExtROM version: 1.25.206.101
Any thoughts or idea's welcome
PS. I have also tried inserting a little paper between the battery & the SIM as suggested in some of the forum posts which didn't work.
3 is a 3g network only, the Artemis is not a 3g phone.
Older 3 USIMS used to work, but when 3 noticed you were constantly roaming onto O2 (who provide 3 with their backup network, at a cost to 3) they blocked those SIMS. Newer ones simply don't work at all in 2.5g phones.
Upgrading the ROM would make no difference, you would need to change the handset to a different model to use the 3 network, but then frankly I never understand why anyone would want to.
i thought the same thing as the post above...but what made me wonder is why the 3 sim cards are working inthe xda 2s which is not a 3g phone.
maybe its not the 3 sim cards that are at fault here after....as hard as that is to belive
hey guys,
three sim cards will not function at all unless the phone is 3g enabled.
Remi
Even if the phone was 3g, 3 used to block IMEIs of phones not sold by them. Nice. Don't know if they still do that though.
update
arielc - my error, sim does not work in XDA2 (tested again), 3rd phone tested was a Sony K610i -> have updated initial post to remove error.
LargePig - The XDA Exec I have was bought from O2 and does work 100% (so far).
Gajet - I think you are right. Is there any way for the phone to fake to the sim that it is a 3G phone? I realise this is probably grasping at straws but thought I should ask just in case.
Assuming it is impossible to get the 3 SIMs to work any idea on what these are worth? I'm depressed askign this as it is a realy nice phone & I would prefer to keep it.
D1bbl3r said:
Gajet - I think you are right. Is there any way for the phone to fake to the sim that it is a 3G phone? I realise this is probably grasping at straws but thought I should ask just in case.
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No the lack of function occurs when the SIM tries to register on the network I believe, so it instantly knows it can't register on the UMTS (3g) network, and because it hasn't tried it is blocked from registering on the GSM (2.5g) network.
Any 3g enabled phone should work, and there are 3g HTC pocket PC devices such as the Universal etc. but they all tend to be bulkier.
3 has to stop this behaviour because they have no GSM backup of their own and therefore they pay O2 to provide their backup, this means they make little (if any) money on those calls.
Personally I don't think 3 are as cheap compared to the other networks as they used to be, the other networks have had to try and attract customers back. You could get a SIM from the other networks for a fiver at the most. My personal recomendation at the moment is a T-Mobile Flext and Web & Walk Tariff.
As for the value of the 3 USIMS, Have a look on Ebay at what they are going for, they do have a sale value.
Hello all.
It appears we can expect the transition for 3g data on the 1900 MHz PCS band sometime between now and the end of the year as T Mobile is really looking to deploy LTE in 2013.
So, we (T Mo USA customers) all learned the hard way that we needed an older model micro SIM in order to get data on our phone.
Does anyone know if we will need a newer micro SIM (actually-the current micro SIM provided by T Mobile for the One S) to access the 3g data once it has been deployed?
What do you opine? Any insight would be great.
Thanks!
Shouldn't need to. Some places already have the 1900Mhz deployed as test beds and I haven't heard anything about needing a new sim.
All SIMs do nowadays is hold your subscriber number that gets relayed to a tower. That number is then looked up in a database to see if you meet requirements (e.g. are a paying customer, what services you have enabled, etc.).
I have an old SIM from 2007 that I am still using so I it doesn't work I'll let you know
I had no trouble going from a 2G to a 3G device with it if that helps you.
The only thing I'm worried about is if the 1900Mhz will be counted as roaming on AT&T and whether we'll have to pay extra for it.
I'm not getting data. I just got a sim card from tmobile today.
No data for me. Talked to tmobile and they said to talk to HTC.
What should i do?
Ask for an older SIM. The newer SIMs that Tmo has been using haven't worked on One Xs. Try seeing if they have any older miniSIMs and then you can cut it into a microSim.
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Shouldn't need to. Some places already have the 1900Mhz deployed as test beds and I haven't heard anything about needing a new sim.
All SIMs do nowadays is hold your subscriber number that gets relayed to a tower. That number is then looked up in a database to see if you meet requirements (e.g. are a paying customer, what services you have enabled, etc.).
I have an old SIM from 2007 that I am still using so I it doesn't work I'll let you know
I had no trouble going from a 2G to a 3G device with it if that helps you.
The only thing I'm worried about is if the 1900Mhz will be counted as roaming on AT&T and whether we'll have to pay extra for it.
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T Mobile has roaming agreements with AT&T, so I wouldn't worry about that. With regards to 3g on the 1900 MHz PCS band, it actually has nothing to do with roaming agreements via AT&T. T Mobile is actually reframing their network to allow HSPA and HSPA+ via 1900 spectrum opposed to its current structure which only supports 2g data on the same frequency.
According to T Mobile, they are refarming frequencies of their network to modernize their network; pushing 3g traffic to their 1900 MHz frequency allows them to deploy true LTE on their current 3g AWS bands (1700/2100).
My original concern was, how there is clearly an incompatibility with the newer micro SIMs and the international One X, will that incompatibility cause me to have to switch SIMs when 3g is moved over 1900? I'm not savvy enough to understand the issue between T Mo's current micro SIMs and the reasoning behind the incompatibility with the One X. I certainly don't want to miss out on faster HSPA speeds when it does take off in Boston so, I figured I would ask.
Do you have your One X set to GSM or GSM/WCDMA auto? I currently have mine set on the latter.
Thanks!
AndG404 said:
I'm not getting data. I just got a sim card from tmobile today.
No data for me. Talked to tmobile and they said to talk to HTC.
What should i do?
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There is a thread in the General section discussing this.
You should call into a local store and say you need an older micro SIM, specifically ask for a non GBA micro SIM. If your local store does not have one in stock, the rep might be nice enough to email other local reps and call you back (as they did with me) when they receive a response. Hopefully, you wont strike out. If so, you would have to eBay or Amazon your older micro SIM.
I ended up driving about 10 miles from my office to pick one up as none of the T Mobile stores closest to me (6 of them) had them in stock. When I finally got one, I had never been happier getting Edge speeds in my life, lol.
Thanks, man!
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No prob! Glad I could help
Status update...
I thought it would be courteous to update all reading this thread on my discoveries.
I've re-visited the T-Mobile store with a copy of the information found on this thread in hands, only to find that the guys working on that store are either unprepared or unwilling to help. They told me that T-Mobile only carries one type of micro sim across all their stores, they indicated they were not willing to do the legwork, very disappointing since I've been T-Mobile's customer for over 10 years.
Sounds like the alternative is to dig this special, older micro sim out of ebay or amazon, or move to another provider.
Any other alternatives?
That stinks!
Please know that I too struck out after calling 3 local stores (all within 3-5 miles). You probably got someone with less experience or perhaps you went during store peak hours. I recommend you call a branch (obviously not that one) and ask for a manager. Let the manager know that you are looking for a specific type of micro SIM, a non GBA kind. Let him or her know that you have struck via customer care and that he is your last resort as the T Mobile store closest to where you live no longer carry that SIM.
Out of all of T Mo stores that I called, only one person had no clue of what I was talking about but did get someone else on the phone for me. They all told me they no longer carried the older micro SIM.
Don't let this experience discourage you. If you want it for free, you have to call around.
Last resort would be eBay, etc.
Good luck bro!
Hey guys, im thinking of getting a One X for t-mobile and I want to know if all full size sims are non GBA. i already have a cut down full size sim so will that work in the One X on edge speeds?
Jelly: That's what I did when I first got my international HOX and it worked fine with EDGE. Please share if you start receiving 4G speeds....
Thanks,
Why dont you guys just wait till tmo announces their new htc one+?
This is going to seem like a stupid question but, I have a Nexus running CyanogenMod 11 that I no longer use as a phone; it has no data plan. I am currently using a Moto X. But I'd like to do a factory reset through TWRP. Basically start fresh. The only thing I use the phone for now is WiFi to browse the web. Since a factory reset would clear all of my settings would I be able to sign back in on Google even though I don't currently have a data plan? I'm going to say that yes, I'd be able to but I just want to make sure. I don't want to render the device a paperweight.
safe reset
Most definitely, you can do anything device related via Wi-Fi that you could do via mobile data. If during initial setup after reset your device does not want to allow you to add a Google account using Wi-Fi, simply skip Google signin, and once device is running, just activate your Wi-Fi, join your network and add a Google account directly from Accounts and Sync in settings.
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Most definitely, you can do anything device related via Wi-Fi that you could do via mobile data. If during initial setup after reset your device does not want to allow you to add a Google account using Wi-Fi, simply skip Google signin, and once device is running, just activate your Wi-Fi, join your network and add a Google account directly from Accounts and Sync in settings.
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Thanks. That's what I thought but figured I'd jump on here and make sure. I'm not even sure what my plans are for this device. I love the Nexus but the Moto X is pretty awesome out of the box. My Nexus is on the last known good nightly for CM 11; 11-20140117-NIGHTLY-toro. I might just sell it. I just didn't want to reset it and make it a complete brick for someone else.
Safe reset
is your device gsm or cdma?
oddball3 said:
is your device gsm or cdma?
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It's Verizon so I believe it's CDMA.
The Tallest said:
It's Verizon so I believe it's CDMA.
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make and model? we can get it onto prepaid, or possibly enable gsm to pop a sim in, depending on what it is
Free Moto X
Verizon Wireless is the only major wireless carrier today that does not put a software lock on any of its 4G LTE smartphones. This means that whether you are on a contract or you paid full price for your Verizon 4G LTE handset, it is automatically unlocked.
You should be able to put a SIM card in it from any GSM carrier and it will offer basic voice, texting and 3G data. Whether it will also support LTE depends on what LTE frequency bands are
supported in the phone.
A Moto X designed for Verizon will work with either an AT&T or T-Mobile SIM on the gsm network. But you may be limited in terms of the service that you can access. As I said, you will definitely be able to text, call and use 3g, access to LTE will depend on the frequency band being used in your area, but most likely you'll be covered.
As far as the nexus is concerned, it supports LTE Band 4 AWS, which is also supported by AT&T and T-Mob on GSM, although not everywhere. A simple, cheap prepaid SIM from one of these networks popped into your nexus will confirm if it will work.
Hope I was able to help out, so now what are you waiting for? Go get yourself an AT&T or T-Mobile prepaid SIM and free your Gnex.
oddball3 said:
Verizon Wireless is the only major wireless carrier today that does not put a software lock on any of its 4G LTE smartphones. This means that whether you are on a contract or you paid full price for your Verizon 4G LTE handset, it is automatically unlocked.
You should be able to put a SIM card in it from any GSM carrier and it will offer basic voice, texting and 3G data. Whether it will also support LTE depends on what LTE frequency bands are
supported in the phone.
A Moto X designed for Verizon will work with either an AT&T or T-Mobile SIM on the gsm network. But you may be limited in terms of the service that you can access. As I said, you will definitely be able to text, call and use 3g, access to LTE will depend on the frequency band being used in your area, but most likely you'll be covered.
As far as the nexus is concerned, it supports LTE Band 4 AWS, which is also supported by AT&T and T-Mob on GSM, although not everywhere. A simple, cheap prepaid SIM from one of these networks popped into your nexus will confirm if it will work.
Hope I was able to help out, so now what are you waiting for? Go get yourself an AT&T or T-Mobile prepaid SIM and free your Gnex.
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I wasn't really looking to put service on it. BUT, now that you mention it, maybe I could get a sim card from a prepaid Verizon phone and put it into my Nexus and give it to my son.
The Tallest said:
I wasn't really looking to put service on it. BUT, now that you mention it, maybe I could get a sim card from a prepaid Verizon phone and put it into my Nexus and give it to my son.
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Great idea... shouldn't let old G-Nex go to waste Lol or you could send it over to me in south Africa hehe
So I think this is a kind of unique question. I did some research and couldn't find a specific answer to my question.
First off, I'm new here but I've been lurking for years since I rooted my old HTC Evo 4G in 2012, and when I rooted my Samsung Intercept in '11 I think. I'm glad I finally joined, hope I can be of some help.
Okay, now to the question (in it's most basic form): can I take my Sprint Micro-SIM and put it in another carrier's cheap flip-phone?
Why I want to do this: I recently bought a kayak and capsized in it, ruining my Samsung (Google) Nexus S 4G. Luckily I had the G2 already on the way, expected for the next day.
Now I need a phone for when I'm out kayaking, and I don't want to risk my brand new G2. Ideally I would be able to just switch SIMs on the phones. This would be easy enough if I had a carrier who regularly used SIM cards. Sprint only has SIMs in their phones that support GSM and 4G. So that rules out getting a cheap flip-phone to swap SIMs with.
I know that as far as smart phones are concerned, it would have to be unlocked. Can I get a cheap flip-phone from another carrier that is unlocked? If so, would I be able to put my G2 SIM in it? i read something about how Sprint uses UUIC(?) SIMs that are paired to the phone's MEID, would that pose a problem?
Thanks so much in advance, hope this isn't too dumb of a question!
Short answer is no. Sprint phones require an MEID to authenticate on the network for voice and 3G (CDMA). The SIM or UICC portion is for LTE (4G) data only.
Looking on the Sprint website, they have some basic phones (even rugged ones) that will suit your outdoor type needs.
LordLugard said:
Short answer is no. Sprint phones require an MEID to authenticate on the network for voice and 3G (CDMA). The SIM or UICC portion is for LTE (4G) data only.
Looking on the Sprint website, they have some basic phones (even rugged ones) that will suit your outdoor type needs.
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Okay thanks
Well, this may be common Knowledge to you Dual Sim card veterans. But I have been killing myself and Tech support for the last week trying to get 4G working on both Sims #1 and #2. I guess we would literally need the guts of 2 modern 4G LTE radios in there with all the bands for each Sim slot.
It's relieving and at the same point disappointing that I can't compare data services with the sims inside the phone at the same time. It makes sense now. I was thinking how can this thing have decent battery life if it's running 2 full sims.
Hopefully this will save some folks some hair pulling data only supported on SIM# 1 and voice only on SIM #2.
So far have been testing the following carriers since I have just recently unshackled myself from sprint!
- T.mobile
- Rok Mobile (33.99 unlimited everything if you pre-pay $399 for the yr. But will they be around for a yr???)
- Ting - pay as little or as much as you need...
- Harbor Wireless -- business plans but they support unlimited music streaming via T-mobile.:good:
i thought zenfone2 would be nice for t-mobile + traveling abroad. so the tmobile sim would have to be in sim slot 1 to get the free data (capped at very slow rates, but free and unlimited). then use the local sim in slot 2 for voice (since tmobile doesn't let you call for free with their global roaming). but sim 2 is GSM only right? no 3G/4G, so i wonder how reception will be abroad being 2g only vs 2g+3g.
You mean that if i have on sim1 data and voice and on sim2 only voice there cant work silmultaneously?
yes, you can have data and voice on sim1 and additional voice on sim2. It would be pointless to pay for 2 data sims, but I understand why you would want it. But in this case, its data on sim1.
kazuken said:
i thought zenfone2 would be nice for t-mobile + traveling abroad. so the tmobile sim would have to be in sim slot 1 to get the free data (capped at very slow rates, but free and unlimited). then use the local sim in slot 2 for voice (since tmobile doesn't let you call for free with their global roaming). but sim 2 is GSM only right? no 3G/4G, so i wonder how reception will be abroad being 2g only vs 2g+3g.
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Hey All,
I got the Zenfone2 yesterday.
I noticed that the mobile data/Cellular data works only on SIM1. I searched and found no option to enable data on SIM2.
Even if we have data services enabled on SIM2 it if no use as they do not work in SIM2.
Will there be any workaround / Fix for this ?
Is it a zenfone 2 design constraint ?
Regards,
Niri
Hi all,
I have notice that only SIM1 is 2G / 3G / 4G, and SIM2 is 2G .
But I don't unterstand why I cannot receive MMS on SIM2 .
This is very boring, and I'm not sure I'll keep this ZenFone2
Technology Limits
thetof said:
Hi all,
I have notice that only SIM1 is 2G / 3G / 4G, and SIM2 is 2G .
But I don't unterstand why I cannot receive MMS on SIM2 .
This is very boring, and I'm not sure I'll keep this ZenFone2
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2G for the Zf2 would be enough for MMS (slowly, with 300k images), but SIM2 can't support a data network. I'm pretty sure it was needed for the same reason Windows Boxes can't handle two different internet connections (one connection gets used, the other ignored).
nickel911 said:
Well, this may be common Knowledge to you Dual Sim card veterans. But I have been killing myself and Tech support for the last week trying to get 4G working on both Sims #1 and #2. I guess we would literally need the guts of 2 modern 4G LTE radios in there with all the bands for each Sim slot.
It's relieving and at the same point disappointing that I can't compare data services with the sims inside the phone at the same time. It makes sense now. I was thinking how can this thing have decent battery life if it's running 2 full sims.
Hopefully this will save some folks some hair pulling data only supported on SIM# 1 and voice only on SIM #2.
So far have been testing the following carriers since I have just recently unshackled myself from sprint!
- T.mobile
- Rok Mobile (33.99 unlimited everything if you pre-pay $399 for the yr. But will they be around for a yr???)
- Ting - pay as little or as much as you need...
- Harbor Wireless -- business plans but they support unlimited music streaming via T-mobile.:good:
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This is the most disappointing thing I found after getting my phone. I wanted to use SIM 2 as a backup data service when SIM 1 wasn't working. :|
I hope this is a software limitation and either Asus can push an update or we can do something with custom ROMs.
I dont really see the point on having 2 sims for data. Honestly.
I have reported this issue to Asus .
I called Asus support and the support guy told me I need to do a system update and sent me this link in email. This update is valid only for WW SKU, so if you are using something else call your local support.
I'm trying to update, but I'm not sure how to
I think you can told this a dog too ? like most other support, they don't know what user want. This is the normal update site and has nothing to do with data for 2. Sim port.
tasar said:
I think you can told this a dog too ? like most other support, they don't know what user want. This is the normal update site and has nothing to do with data for 2. Sim port.
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Well the changelog for the update as seen on ASUS website does have a mention for this.
I can't see anything in changelog, that the have implemented data to Sim 2. Or I have tomatoes on my eyes ?
tasar said:
I can't see anything in changelog, that the have implemented data to Sim 2. Or I have tomatoes on my eyes ?
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I read it wrong :|
When I boght my Zenfone 2 it was stated on the site I bought from that sim2 was voice only... I believe this is how it is supposed to be.
Otherwise phone would be bulkier and a cost a heap more...
MrKoji said:
I dont really see the point on having 2 sims for data. Honestly.
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the main problem is that you can't receive (or send) MMS with SIM2.... only call and sms
All other dual sim allows MMS with both SIM cards
Yes, while its not a major issue for me personally, I'm surprised that my much cheaper old Acer could handle this OK. The second SIM only ran 2G, but that was enough...I'm surprised there's NO data on the second SIM for the Asus.
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All other dual sim allows MMS with both SIM cards
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All other dual SIMS? Not my previous Samsung Duos, nor, as far as I am aware, any of the DUOS range.
It would be nice though.
from my knowledge, dual sim dual active does not have data on 2nd sim slot
and dual sim dual standby, most of this supports data on both sim slots