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Task manager or no task manager

When I got my desire it was stable and fast the more I put on it the slower it gets . I've tried numerous task killers and some of them screw the phone up . On one thread someone suggested leaving the phone to manage its own background programs . What does everyone thing is it better with no task manager ?
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My personal choice is to leave taskiller off the desire. I put a taskiller on and almost immedietly the phone started acting wierd eventually getting into some sort of loop rebooting itself. After many reboots it eventually gave me enough time to uninstall the taskiller. Obviously that was the problem as it has never repeated itself since. My phone runs fine without it.

I really cannot understand why people use task killers. As I have said before if you are a real expert and you have a badly behaved program that you have to use you might just have to use of a task killer.
If you are not a real expert or are even asking the question don't use one. You will almost certainly end up with worse performance and decreased battery life.
I have 60 plus applications on my Desire and don't suffer any slowdowns or other problems. There is just no need for task killers/managers. This is NOT windows!
Android has a built in task killer. It's pretty good and IMHO difficult to improve on.

Kill Task Killers!!
Agree with others, you only need it to kill a rogue app without reset.

I have around 100 apps and the only semi-slowdown I can feel is by putting complex widgets and live wallpapers together. Otherwise I've tried some of these task killers and even killing all the 20-30 processes 'frozen' or active in the background had no effect.
Still I keep it in order to kill those badly designed applications that have some glitches in going back to the main screen or rarely get stuck.
I would think that if you experience some problems they are not related to the quantity of applications open in background, but rather by a single one that has some design flaw.

andycted said:
I have around 100 apps and the only semi-slowdown I can feel is by putting complex widgets and live wallpapers together. Otherwise I've tried some of these task killers and even killing all the 20-30 processes 'frozen' or active in the background had no effect.
Still I keep it in order to kill those badly designed applications that have some glitches in going back to the main screen or rarely get stuck.
I would think that if you experience some problems they are not related to the quantity of applications open in background, but rather by a single one that has some design flaw.
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Well said.
The trouble is people use a task killer when they don't have a problem. They just kill apps. without a clue what they are doing.
I repeat don't use a task killer until you really have too.

and what about battery life?is too many running apps affecting battery?

polystirenman said:
and what about battery life?is too many running apps affecting battery?
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Doesn't affect battery at all. Almost all apps. are suspended in the background when you move away from them. Task killers are the major cause of poor battery performance as killed apps. then have to be reloaded instead of resumed. Try switching between say six applications, and using them, with and without task killing. I bet you will see a massive performance gain without the task killer.

polystirenman said:
and what about battery life?is too many running apps affecting battery?
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If an application keeps going in the background in some way/service it's because it's meant to be, like an updating rss feed reader, a live wallpaper, an email client pulling mail from the server, widgets or music player streaming/playing music. If you don't want those to run in the background you obviously should set them not to update, remove them from the desktop, stop them manually, etc.
Otherwise every other application you open and then leave when you switch to another application, gets stopped and 'frozen' in the state it had so that when you switch back to it or reopen it, you find it in the same state, giving you the impression of having been running in the background (but it didn't).
It's a smart way to combine the speed of single-running applications in dumb iphones and the flexibility of more complex os like WinMo. It's also apparently the same way as WP7 will work.
Like mentioned above by killing processes you mostly cause disruption in the pre-ordered way they work and probably cause more battery usage since they have to restart from scratch for the most part. More importantly real-time monitoring of processes and auto-killing them is most likely eating battery a lot since every real time monitoring does that, like many real time battery widgets and such.

Ok.thx for answers guys.i am geting rid of task killer right now.

Same here .. I'm a techie on most things obviously not Android must try harder !
Must admit did complete hard reset yesterday got rid of task killer after first posts phone seems more stable
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I have a task killer, but only for killing appliactions which aren't written good and causes some lag or they don't want to close..

I just looked at the comments on the Advanced Task Killer (free, high in the list in the Market).
I wanted to believe you guys here at XDA. But I went trough the comments on that ATK and 95% was 4 to 5 stars. All with reply's like:
"must have app"
"should be included in Android"
"doubled my battery life"
Now if SO many people say that, I can't imagine that they are all wrong. Why would they all lie?
I myself have been using that ATK for a while, killing only some things that don't close (like games,Facebook or Twitter, etc...)... battery life is still not as good as I would like it to be, but I only have had my Desire for a week.
Are you guys REALLY sure that stopping to use ATK will improve battery life?

XDA mark said:
I just looked at the comments on the Advanced Task Killer (free, high in the list in the Market).
I wanted to believe you guys here at XDA. But I went trough the comments on that ATK and 95% was 4 to 5 stars. All with reply's like:
"must have app"
"should be included in Android"
"doubled my battery life"
Now if SO many people say that, I can't imagine that they are all wrong. Why would they all lie?
I myself have been using that ATK for a while, killing only some things that don't close (like games,Facebook or Twitter, etc...)... battery life is still not as good as I would like it to be, but I only have had my Desire for a week.
Are you guys REALLY sure that stopping to use ATK will improve battery life?
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Read this article:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

it's the placebo effect. A While ago there was a thread on a winmo forum for a new overclocking application. It had tons of "amazing", "must have", "goes way faster", comments, it became incredibly popular. then the developer made public the fact that it was a social experiment and the application did absolutely nothing other than having a nice interface for reporting fake cpu .
As said if you have a single bad-behaving application (which is very rate) only kill or rather uninstall it. Games don't run in the background, battery becomes great after one-two weeks, but still you can't expect it to run for 10 hours of continuous heavy usage. Buy a second battery if you need that

XDA mark said:
Now if SO many people say that, I can't imagine that they are all wrong. Why would they all lie?
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No one is saying they are lying - personally I see it more as a placebo effect, but I do understand there are certain situations where task killers come into there own. Having owned 3 Android phones though, I can say that in my case leaving Android to do its own thing works very well for me - I don't believe that it actually increases battery life significantly, but I do firmly believe it improves the overall stability of the platform.
One thing that probably should be added, is that using swap on an Android device will cause problems with Androids own internal resource management because it cannot distinguish between real memory and the virtual memory made available using swap. See here for more details. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those people who get the most "benefit" from task killers are also using swap.
Regards,
Dave

Task Killer Apps, good or not???

I am a noob when it comes to android phones so anything will help! I have been told and pretty sure I read something about task killers being bad for your android phone??? Is this true? I currently use Advanced Task Manager free. Is this a good task manager? If not does anyone know of one thats better. I tried to search the forumn but was unable to find anything on this subject...I'm probably just searching wrong. Any knowledge will help!

Try searching the Q&A forum
Don't use task killers is the bottom line.
Use Google search to find out about google and task killers.

avoid them like the plague

Not. It's stepping on Androids toes. If you really need a kill an app (froze or its just using a lot of battery), you can do it in Android itself in Applications.

i noticed i acctually get more battery life with out a task killer, android will close out programs as it needs the memory any way so have had better performance with out it. the Sprint rep actually installed mine on my phone when i bought it so was suprised to learn all this at first but has long sense proven true

Been using Advanced Task Manager since I had my G1 and have not noticed any negative effects. The browser alone takes up a considerable amount of interal memory and does not close on exit. Task managers are good as long as you know how to use them and exclude system applications or user apps that you want to stay running like widgets and such. They may not improve battery life that much, but they help free up internal memory. However, if you're running a Froyo rom, they're pretty much useless until the app devs update the way they work. Froyo doesnt allow them to kill the app, just background data.

Here's some pretty clear literature on why you absolutely do not need them.

While I agree that a task killer is not needed it is not bad. I mean using one wont cause damage to your phone or anything. Some people get better battery with one and some get better battery without. I just avoid task killers because I had a bad experience. I use my phone as an alarm and one day it did not go off because I had killed the clock app. Ofcourse you can use a task killer and not have this problem by setting apps to ignore but after several weeks of not using it I noticed my battery is not better or worse so to each his own.
BTW I also used advanced task manager and thats a perfectly good task manager if you do decide to keep using it.

Best thing you can do is install and use it for a couple days to see if you like it. I have used one since my Droid and would not consider uninstalling. I notice an immediate improvement in the smoothness of my phone while using, and a noticeable choppiness when not using. Your mileage may vary, but I would give it a shot for yourself vs. just listening to others opinions.

87Octane said:
While I agree that a task killer is not needed it is not bad. I mean using one wont cause damage to your phone or anything.
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+1
If you kill a task and free up memory, Android just fills up that memory again with a program of its own choosing. If it needs the memory, it intelligently pulls programs out of memory on its own.

Task Managers/killers

Hello,
I recently upgraded from a hero which wad heavily tweaked thanks to this forum.
Now that I have tweaked the DHD to use evolution HD (great btw), I have a question about task managers etc.
People have said the built in management is much better etc etc. But how does it know when I have finished with a program? If it does not have an exit now button in the app will it effectively keep running? I used to use task killers just to kill everything after I have playing with the phone. Is this not needed?
Thanks for reading!
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just leave it then
as you've got an DHD, you've really got enough RAM
so: if another process needs ram and nothing is left atm, android closes the one you left "running" some time before, etc..
don't use task killers...the integrated android "feature" does its work..for sure!
DN41

JLneonhug said:
People have said the built in management is much better etc etc. But how does it know when I have finished with a program?
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because you haven't used it for a while
JLneonhug said:
If it does not have an exit now button in the app will it effectively keep running?
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in the back ground yes, until the resources are needed
JLneonhug said:
I used to use task killers just to kill everything after I have playing with the phone. Is this not needed?
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No it's not and this is where the problem arises, if android thinks an app is required, it will respawn it after you have killed it using uneccessary cpu cycles, and it will do this repeatedly every time you kill the process. As long as you haven't got a rogue process eating all the cpu cycles when it shouldn't task killers are not required.

Dont listen to people who say "uninstall your task manager it's not needed" its absolute crap, yes it is true that android's own internal memory manager does a great job on its own and yes having a task manager that kills task on some kind of schedule is just a waste of battery and resources, but if you need to run any kind of task that is resoure heavy it's imperative to have a task killer to free up some memory or that task could take forever. its also useful for playing demanding games ect. thats just my opinion anyway

ghostofcain said:
No it's not and this is where the problem arises, if android thinks an app is required, it will respawn it after you have killed it using uneccessary cpu cycles, and it will do this repeatedly every time you kill the process. As long as you haven't got a rogue process eating all the cpu cycles when it shouldn't task killers are not required.
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thats just not true, my device usually has around 110-150mb of free ram when idol, if i use a task killer i can get around 300mb of free ram, if i dont touch my device, it will stay at over 280mb indefinitely untill i start using apps again .......

NO TASKILLERS!!!!!....They mess up with your system + drain your battery + will leave you posting more on xda.....

AndroHero said:
thats just not true, my device usually has around 110-150mb of free ram when idol, if i use a task killer i can get around 300mb of free ram, if i dont touch my device, it will stay at over 280mb indefinitely untill i start using apps again .......
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Which benefits you how? Android isn't windows it doesn't run smoother because it has huge reserves of memory sat around unused, yes if you kill everything and leave your phone on idle it may well free up a huge amount of memory, but start using it and it will respawn important processes. For the undecided her'e some further reading Lifehacker, geekforme, Androidspin, Infoworld, talkandroid, tested and the last word to Google.

Even Windows doesn't run smoother if there's lot of unused RAM. Even though the makers of those RAM "optimization" tools will tell you different. RAM is there to be used. Free RAM is like having your money in a sock under your bed instead of getting interest from it.
On my DHD Android will start killing background apps when the free RAM drops below 40 MB. And what more do you need? Why is 150 mb free RAM better than 40 mb free RAM? If an app needs more than 40 mb the missing RAM will be freed up almost instantly. I doubt anyone will notice. And almost no apps use 40+ RAM anyway.
And to those that are absolutely convinced background tasks eat their battery. That's wrong in 95 % of all cases as well. A background app that does nothing also uses no CPU = almost zero battery usage. So no harm done. And a background app that does something mostly does so because you the user told it to do so. What eats battery is the display, setting the brightness to 25 % or so really help. But that's offtopic...

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Which benefits you how? Android isn't windows it doesn't run smoother because it has huge reserves of memory sat around unused, yes if you kill everything and leave your phone on idle it may well free up a huge amount of memory, but start using it and it will respawn important processes. For the undecided her'e some further reading Lifehacker, geekforme, Androidspin, Infoworld, talkandroid, tested and the last word to Google.
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yeah i understand that, but what im saying is SOME application and games (av suites, emulators eg psx4droid and fpsce, games like dungeon defnders ect) they generally require more ram to operate than the minimum android will leave free, so in thoes curcumstances, it is usefull to have a task killer to free up enough ram for thoes tasks to run optimally, i did a experiment the other week, and it took my av suite 17 minutes to do a full scan with no memory optimisation and 11 minutes to run after using a task killer, are you seriously telling me using a task killer once or twice a day will use more battery than leaving the phone scanning for an extra 6 minutes? also all these sites you quoted, i agree having a task killer on a scheduled auto-kill basis is a waste of time or battery, but people came to the conclusion not to use task killer 12-18 months ago when there were very few high powered devices and resource heavy tasks, now there are more and more apps that require a large amount of ram to run optimally..

AndroHero said:
yeah i understand that, but what im saying is SOME application and games (av suites, emulators eg psx4droid and fpsce, games like dungeon defnders ect) they generally require more ram to operate than the minimum android will leave free, so in thoes curcumstances, it is usefull to have a task killer to free up enough ram for thoes tasks to run optimally, i did a experiment the other week, and it took my av suite 17 minutes to do a full scan with no memory optimisation and 11 minutes to run after using a task killer, are you seriously telling me using a task killer once or twice a day will use more battery than leaving the phone scanning for an extra 6 minutes? also all these sites you quoted, i agree having a task killer on a scheduled auto-kill basis is a waste of time or battery, but people came to the conclusion not to use task killer 12-18 months ago when there were very few high powered devices and resource heavy tasks, now there are more and more apps that require a large amount of ram to run optimally..
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yeah but 12-18 months ago 512mb ram was a dream for most of us. I don't think the main issue with task managers is extra battery usage it's the unexplained anomalys with programs FC'ing or plain not working because some automated task killers has over zealously shutting down important services

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yeah but 12-18 months ago 512mb ram was a dream for most of us. I don't think the main issue with task managers is extra battery usage it's the unexplained anomalys with programs FC'ing or plain not working because some automated task killers has over zealously shutting down important services
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exactly, when people started saying dont use task killers, devices had very little ram, but on the other hand applications required very little ram, things have moved on now, and with more powerfull devices come more powerfull applications, and although i agree with having a task killer on an auto-kill schedule is a waste of time, i think its useful to have one for thoes time you want to run a resource hungry app, but you know like they say YMMV

Thanks for the replies, it makes sense now.
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Too many programs running ? Fix?

I just installes arhd 2.1 rom and evrrything works fine.
I got most things installed.i need like twitter, fb, adv. task killer,
even auto startup killer, titanium, juice, setcpu and some more.
I disabled all notifications.
I prevent all startup apps i didnt want (all but 2,or 3)
I set sync to off. I checked all app settings twice.
Still there.are mostly like all apps running after i start my phone
And if i kill them it takes a while but they come back...
How to fix that ? Beside all my programms things like internet, mail, messages are also on.
My ram is down to like 210mb, when i kill its back to 480.
Thanks guys!

Android is nothing like windows.
Killing apps & processes to save memory is bad for your phone. Android handles its memory very well, and you killing apps interferes with that.
Apps are loaded into the RAM, for your convenience, if Android runs low on memory, it will decide what apps to kill.
I'm sure there is a guide that explains this.

andyharney said:
Android is nothing like windows.
Killing apps & processes to save memory is bad for your phone. Android handles its memory very well, and you killing apps interferes with that.
Apps are loaded into the RAM, for your convenience, if Android runs low on memory, it will decide what apps to kill.
I'm sure there is a guide that explains this.
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So (Auto)-Taskkillers are Bull**** ?
Also Startup Prevention ? Everything like that ?
Or anything "good" ? I guess SetCpu is something useful which comes
into that area.
If someone has a guide, give me a "call"

Task killers should only be used to kill rogue apps, apps that are poorly coded. They shouldn't be used to manage your memory.
SetCPU is kinda different, all it does is allow you to alter the speed of your CPU.

mydanny said:
So (Auto)-Taskkillers are Bull**** ?
Also Startup Prevention ? Everything like that ?
Or anything "good" ? I guess SetCpu is something useful which comes
into that area.
If someone has a guide, give me a "call"
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I find it very difficult to understand people who are using taskillers in their phone. The whole point, i guess, is to save some battery? But do you know that taskillers run constantly and consume even more battery? And you might end up messing up with your system and experiencing lags/problems.
The memory management of android system is different than what we are used to. You should let android manage the memory. If you still want to quit some of the apps which you think are using up your memory, you can do it manually via "manage applications" in applications.
I m also using ARHD. And i don't use any taskillers/ startup managers. I never experienced lags when playing gameloft games (i tell you they require lots of memory) or angry birds. I have my wifi-on, sync on all the time.
SetCpu is used to manage the cpu speed of your DHD. This can be used to create profiles (or comes already with some profiles like ondemand etc.) and the program itself understands the need for memory and adjusts your cpu speed according to that. It might give you some more bat. life.
Of course what kind of programs we want to use in our DHD is upto us. And people will have a divided opinion on whether to use taskillers or not. But if you ask me (and my almost 3 years of android experience), you are better off without any taskillers.

sphuyal said:
I find it very difficult to understand people who are using taskillers in their phone. The whole point, i guess, is to save some battery? But do you know that taskillers run constantly and consume even more battery? And you might end up messing up with your system and experiencing lags/problems.
The memory management of android system is different than what we are used to. You should let android manage the memory. If you still want to quit some of the apps which you think are using up your memory, you can do it manually via "manage applications" in applications.
I m also using ARHD. And i don't use any taskillers/ startup managers. I never experienced lags when playing gameloft games (i tell you they require lots of memory) or angry birds. I have my wifi-on, sync on all the time.
SetCpu is used to manage the cpu speed of your DHD. This can be used to create profiles (or comes already with some profiles like ondemand etc.) and the program itself understands the need for memory and adjusts your cpu speed according to that. It might give you some more bat. life.
Of course what kind of programs we want to use in our DHD is upto us. And people will have a divided opinion on whether to use taskillers or not. But if you ask me (and my almost 3 years of android experience), you are better off without any taskillers.
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Word. Sounds convincing.
I will remove the **** from my phone - Task Killer and Startup Manager.
You also dislike Juice Defender ? I heard only positive things about battery.
Or is this 100% crap, too ?

mydanny said:
Word. Sounds convincing.
I will remove the **** from my phone - Task Killer and Startup Manager.
You also dislike Juice Defender ? I heard only positive things about battery.
Or is this 100% crap, too ?
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I have never used Juice Defender but it is a OK app (it uses some bat. though). All i use i "currentwidget" to monitor what causes battery drain (if any). If i were you, i would see how the DHD goes along with/without juice defender for 48 hours. And then evaluate if i really need juice defender.

Killing apps is liking turning your car engine off on every street you go down. It's better to keep the engine running, it uses less petrol.
Same with memory management on Android, if you keep killing, it has to startup the app again each time you use it which actually uses more battery.
The only thing I use is setCPU on a smartass governor with a profile for when the screen goes off to reduce CPU usage to 450mhz. Mine idle's at 1-3ma.

What a bunch of rubbish. Task killers are an excellent easy to keep your phone running fast and smooth. They also save your battery by not letting tasks run in the background and eat battery unnecessarily.
I hope that wasn't too obvious a troll ...
Task killers suck. They are the Android equivalent of Windows registry cleaners. Sold to you to speed up your system but really they break it.
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What a bunch of rubbish. Task killers are an excellent easy to keep your phone running fast and smooth. They also save your battery by not letting tasks run in the background and eat battery unnecessarily.
I hope that wasn't too obvious a troll ...
Task killers suck. They are the Android equivalent of Windows registry cleaners. Sold to you to speed up your system but really they break it.
Sent from my super slick Android device.
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You had me for a minute there

How do I stop apps auto opening

The title is basically the question, im fed up of alot of programs auto opening on my android phone, it takes battery and is slightly annoying receiving notifications off apps i dont really care about such as the NFL game tells me about small things in the NFL, im in the UK, i dont care.
If you argue that it doesnt take alot of battery currently have 117mb free ram, (2 secs later) killed all my selected apps now have 201mb free so im using 80mb of ram on apps im not using. Ive made 2 or 3 phone calls today no more than 30 mins long altogether and ive lost 55% of my battery since about midday, which is when i unplugged the phone.
And I think all these apps are the problem so how can I stop them from auto opening, please help

Search the market for startup cleaner
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yusuo said:
If you argue that it doesnt take alot of battery currently have 117mb free ram
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More free RAM doesn't really equate to longer battery life or lower power consumption.

Better search for auto starts, this asp shows you the conditions an asp can turn back on and you can bin it off, Facebook for example had like 8 conditions, from full to medium battery life, on charge and change in network....... Use it
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More free RAM doesn't really equate to longer battery life or lower power consumption.
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There's still no reason for most of this apps to use RAM. Apps like facebook and skype shouldn't be actice without user permission. Without login they are complete useless.
I'll try Startup Cleaner, thx.

It's how android works and what RAM is for. There is always a reason.
Sure if someone doesn't use Facebook, it should be uninstallable, but its not and its not causing any harm
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The problem isn't that apps start when I turn on the phone its that even after i use task manager to close they keep reopening and use over 100mb of ram, earlier I checked and only had 78mb ram available.
This must have an effect on battery to some degree i want to kinda ban certain apps from running in the background unless i specifically tell them to

RAM doesn't use more power, the more its used, no.
You don't need a task killer. You do not need to obsess about RAM. Forget about RAM and enjoy your phone
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rootSU said:
RAM doesn't use more power, the more its used, no.
You don't need a task killer. You do not need to obsess about RAM. Forget about RAM and enjoy your phone
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Thanks for you reply but its not really an answer its more of a contradiction, what I was asking is how to I stop apps from auto starting and eating up RAM, regardless of how long the phones been on

...and I'm telling you its a pointless, unecessary waste of time. Also it is not possible. Autostarts as already mentioned is the closest you'll get
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I also turned off the autorun permissions of a lot of apps, for 2 reasons: 1) a device that is smooth sooner after booting, using less cpu cycles/power. 2) preventing Sense from reloading due to RAM shortage and have smooth multitasking.
1) Android loads a bunch of apps to the RAM that have the autorun permission, until it thinks it is "enough" and useful to you. No matter how many apps you have installed, the amount of free RAM is always about the same, just the number of "unwanted" apps in the RAM differs. Removing the autorun on boot permissions prevents the loading of unnecessary apps that will immediately be removed from the RAM the moment you start the browser/a game, saving cpu cycles=power. So for me there is no point in loading them in the first place, because I am never going to use them (right away). I want the apps that don't to any syncing loaded on demand.
2) I hate slow multitasking and I hate it even more when Sense reloads because it got kicked out of the RAM after each time I press HOME.
I use 3G Watchdog (~12MB RAM), Unlock with Wifi (~8MB), Whatsapp (~15MB), Handcent SMS (~18MB), Droidstats (~13MB), Extended Controls (~12MB), Battery Monitor Widget Pro (~13MB). Okay, I maybe could delete some of them, but these app are "OK" to me, because I use them actively or just need a background service to operate normally.
With Gemini I disabled apps like Facebook, a screenshot tool (just load when I want to make a screenshot..), various public transport planning tools, etc from autostarting.
No joy moment: after using the Facebook app (market version), it may take up 50+ MB and it will not be closed when I start another RAM intensive app, because it is a high priority service. Result: Sense gets kicked out of the RAM. Or, when the situation is somewhat less critical: multitasking is as good as unusable: switching between apps makes them load over and over again, because app2 kicks app1 out of the RAM and vice versa, causing unnecessary lag. Therefore: when I am done with facebook, I close it, then STAY the hell closed It may only autostart when it receives a push message. In that case it is nice to have FB already in RAM when I tap the notification.
Why do even some games have background services, or the Engadget app, or .. , or... all eating precious RAM. And yes, I know, once IN the RAM they eat no battery, but they DO eat battery when the app loads itself back in the RAM when it thinks it needs to, after it got kicked the moment I decided to so something else.
Hmm, spent way too much time to try to explain my frustration Oh and by the way, I have a Legend, but the basics are the same of course.

Dwnload an app called internet commander from the market. It shuts off the internet when your screen turns off but still let's you get calls and texts. I've got my phone , rooted of course, clocked to 710 and my battery will last for days.
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I just re read your post, that won't help with apps but it will help save battery. And when you turn your screen on the internet kicks right on instantly. Good luck
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yusuo said:
The problem isn't that apps start when I turn on the phone its that even after i use task manager to close they keep reopening and use over 100mb of ram, earlier I checked and only had 78mb ram available.
This must have an effect on battery to some degree i want to kinda ban certain apps from running in the background unless i specifically tell them to
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The guys here have already suggested you use a certain program from the Market. Have you tried it?
Regarding the whole RAM consumption issue, Android has its own built-in memory management system that ensures that there's always enough RAM for an app whenever it needs it, even if the memory manager shows like 40 MB free. Basically it "ejects" all background, unused apps, from memory making room for the foreground app which needs it most. If for some reason you need to fiddle with that, you can try using the V6 Supercharger script. I find it suitable for my needs but YMMV. It's completely reversible, so if you don't like it you can uninstall it just like that.
P.S. - I agree with rootSU, the ammount of free RAM has nothing to do with battery consumption. If you suspect that an app is draining your battery, check Android's battery statistics to find the culprit.

TVTV said:
Regarding the whole RAM consumption issue, Android has its own built-in memory management system that ensures that there's always enough RAM for an app whenever it needs it, even if the memory manager shows like 40 MB free. Basically it "ejects" all background, unused apps, from memory making room for the foreground app which needs it most. If for some reason you need to fiddle with that, you can try using the V6 Supercharger script. I find it suitable for my needs but YMMV. It's completely reversible, so if you don't like it you can uninstall it just like that.
P.S. - I agree with rootSU, the ammount of free RAM has nothing to do with battery consumption. If you suspect that an app is draining your battery, check Android's battery statistics to find the culprit.
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I respectfuly disagree. Android built in ram management is just silly. If I open xda app for example (it could actually be any app for that matter), reply to a few posts, read a few more and close it, why does it need to stay in ram? It reloads anyway when I run it again after I've closed it (using the back button or the actual exit command in the app itself). Why does the camera app need to stay in the background after I just shot a few photos and closed it? Because I may or may not use it again in some time? It's rediculous. And the whole theory that ram management doesn't require any power/cpu usage, how do you guys think all those apps get killed? Android will power?! No, kernel scans all running apps and kills the ones based on built in heuristics so it also reads them first. So that doesn't require any power/battery? Awesome if it's true! Although I wouldn't bet on that. And all this fuss just because you may or may not launch the same app sometime during the next day/week/month/year or it'll eventually get killed? Now that's just plain stupid. I get apps that need services like widgets, push notifications etc. but random apps like root explorer, xda app, titanium, youtube etc. which are opened specificly by the user shouldn't be in ram just for the sake of it after they're closed. I closed it, meaning I don't need it anymore. And I don't need the kernel to scan all apps and running services every time I launch an app so it could provide the free ram that app needs. Consumes cpu time, battery, i/o ... every piece of hardware actually just to free some ram that shouldn't be occupied in the first place. Every app that I ever opened on my phone got loaded almost instantly and that's just after phone had been booted. So after that it should stay in ram so I could open it in a blink of an eye instead of instantly? That's just funny.
Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud so don't flame me immediately. There probably are apsects of it that I didn't mention here or am not aware of. And I'm not saying that I'm right and you guys are wrong, I'm just saying what I know and think about this subject.
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PlayPetepp, while it might be true that the OS allocates (thus use) some resources to memory maintenance, the impact on battery life is negligible. In the Android OS, apps in memory are ordered according to priority and state, so the OS always knows which apps to kill first if it needs to make room in RAM, without much of a hassle. The only bad consequence of this system seems to be the fact that once the memory fills up, the launcher may lag or even be evacuated from memory. But, as i've mentioned in my previous post, there are ways to prevent that, either via scripts or, if you know what you're doing, via editing system files.

So the OS doesn't need to scan anything as it keeps everything in memory again? Seems like an endless loop. Open, sort, kill if needed, reopen, sort again, kill ... to what end, constant unneccessary multitasking that user is unaware of? I really don't see any benefit of that system and am only seeing the downsides. I mean, who needs every app they ever run remain in ram even if they close them after using? And then opening another app and "waiting" for whatever needs to be closed to get it running. Sure you can mess with the scripts (init.d, init.rc, etc.) but the underlined conditions stay the same. I hope I'm making sense here. Or am I fighting against windmills.
I just figured out that I strayed from the topic of this thread so won't be continuing this discussion if it's considered offtopic.
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Stop looking for excuses for poor multitasking in Sense 3+ roms

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Stop looking for excuses for poor multitasking in Sense 3+ roms
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Hello again nice to see you here
Here's an interesting article on what I was talking about. Sense 3.5 doesn't need that many mbs of ram to work smoothly. After booting and setting everything up I have 150+ mb free. That should be enough for decent multitasking but all those apps not getting killed when you close them are eating too much. Can anyone explain in detail what hidden app, perceptible app, backup app and heavy_weight app means? I've been googling this for a week and can't find any decent explanation.

@PlayPetepp - I think i have already said (in my previous post) that the OS does indeed use some resources for managing the memory, but they are negligible in terms of their impact on battery life. IMHO, the only thing a 3'rd party memory manager (task killer) WILL do is improve lanuncher responsiveness (lag) as the lag does increase when free RAM drops under a certain limit. Thus used wisely, a task killer can improve responsiveness, but battery life... very little, in rare cases (it does the opposite, most of the time).
Regarding the so called "memory slots", here's an excerpt from this article:
FOREGROUND_APP: This is the application currently on the screen, and running
VISIBLE_APP: This is an application that is open, and running in the background because it's still doing something
SECONDARY_SERVER: This is a process (a service that an application needs) that is alive and ready in case it's needed to do something
HIDDEN_APP: This again is a process, that sits idle (but still alive) in case it's needed by an app that's alive and running
CONTENT_PROVIDER: This is apps that provide data (content) to the system. HTC Facebook Sync? That's a CONTENT_PROVIDER. So are things like the Android Market, or Fring. If they are alive, they can refresh and provide the content they are supposed to at the set interval. If you kill them, they can't of course.
EMPTY_APP: I call these "ghosts." They are apps that you have opened, but are done with them. Android uses a unique style of handling memory management. When an activity is ended, instead of killing it off Android keeps the application in memory so that opening them again is a faster process. Theses "ghost" apps use no battery or CPU time, they just fill RAM that would be otherwise empty. When this memory is needed by a different application or process, the RAM is flushed and made available for the new app. To satisfy the geekier people (like myself) Android does this by keeping a list of recently used apps, with the oldest apps in the list given the lowest priority -- they are killed first if RAM is needed elsewhere. This is a perfect way to handle 'ghost' processes, so there's no need to touch this part
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