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SUPER video encoder?

I read many threads in the forum regarding video on the HD and after hours spent trailing through a post which is now locked I settled on SUPER encoding to flash FLV files... only problem is if I feed it a 1.4gb H264 file (which the HD cant play) it ends up at 2.6Gb I still run the stock SD card 8Gb.
Am I missing a setting? I really wanna sort the video out on my HD! but would like the movies to stay similar size to the original rip....

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
works good

pureheart said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
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Yep treid that one too... the files always end up waaaaay bigger than the orginal... I tried a 4Gb BRrip with that and it came out almost the size of the flash card....

Then you selected the wrong bitrate.
Assuming your movie is 90 minutes long, then using the "HD" setting bitrate of 750kbit/s your movie will be (750*60*90)/8/1024 = 494 MB.
What you are stating is not possible, unless your movie is 10 hours long or you manually entered an insanely high bitrate, such as 7500kbit/s, which is completely useless and which the Touch HD can not handle anyway.
The tool is coded for simplicity. If you don't understand what anything does, then you just add the files, select the output dir and press "start". Experimenting around by setting random options which you do not fully understand obviously will result in spectacular failure most of the time. So I recommend you to try it again. If it doesn't work, then let me know and I will fix it.
All this said, if you rather not use my GUI, then you can get an acceptable result with SUPER by using iPhone profile. The quality will be worse, seeking might be broken and it might slow down sometimes, but other than that, it should work.

I used a Blue Ray rip.... 4.5Gig..... it ended up at almost 6Gig....
I used the HD GUI you made because it was so easy.... just remoting into my server to see how the next one I'm trying is getting on.....

Have you tried using WinFF ~ http://winff.org/html/
I used to use SUPER but changed to WinFF because:-
1. It is quicker.
2. File sizes are smaller.
3. It is very easy to use.
4. It supports a number of devices including Mobile Phones, iPod etc.

Thanks Beards, I'll give it a go to...
I have got a file out of the encoder now that looks good!
But what the heck do I play it with...? I searched for media players and tried Core player and of course M$ Media Player... both are a no go... M$ wont even play it... and Core player with no access to GPU is also a no go...
Any players take advantage of GPU acceleration and play the outputs?

Geeba said:
Thanks Beards, I'll give it a go to...
I have got a file out of the encoder now that looks good!
But what the heck do I play it with...? I searched for media players and tried Core player and of course M$ Media Player... both are a no go... M$ wont even play it... and Core player with no access to GPU is also a no go...
Any players take advantage of GPU acceleration and play the outputs?
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What settings on WinFF did you use to encode the video?

Ahhh... not got round to using that one yet... I was using the HD GUI made by projection, 4.5gb Blue ray rip source, 800x480 output.

Just wondered if someone could point me in the direction of a player that has enough grunt to play these rips? Core is Jerk'o'vision...

Geeba said:
Just wondered if someone could point me in the direction of a player that has enough grunt to play these rips? Core is Jerk'o'vision...
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If you're using the HD GUI that was talked about above (great program, thanks to those who made it), then you should play the files in the TF3D video player

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If you're using the HD GUI that was talked about above (great program, thanks to those who made it), then you should play the files in the TF3D video player
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I had no idea there was one? Is it installed from the factory? I cant seem to find it?

atm the only hw accelerated players are htc album and wmp... the rest is software render...

another option to watch Movies "DivX Mobile Player v0.91 (30-Sep-2008)"
You can install "DivX Mobile Player v0.91 (30-Sep-2008)" and play those .avi movies (DivX, Xvid, etc) without converting. You can download here: http://labs.divx.com/MobileCommunity
It works fine for me... I'm using 8Gb microSD...

crashDebug said:
atm the only hw accelerated players are htc album and wmp... the rest is software render...
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Where do I find the HTC player?
I've just tried DivX player... its not really as good as Core on mine for some reason... ?

Would really appreciate a pointer on GPU accelerated player
I've treid M$ media player... wont play it... core player not enough grunt and the HTC player people speak of... I cant find? searched all of my HD programs..

Dude, just skim along the TF3D menu to Photos and Videos.
If your video's in the default album it will appear as a thumbnail here if it isn't just use the Album button to browse to it.
Basically the HTC player they're on about i launched when you click on a thumbnail in the TF3D Photo's and Video's screen (or browse to an album location).
Yup - it was there all the time

Thanks mate... I understand now...
I guess MP4 isnt supported.... my movies arent there...

Best Video Player for TP2?

I am trying to find a good player for .avi, .mpeg4, etc. for my TP2. I used to use TCPMP but when I installed it on my TP2 it errors out at launch. Any ideas? Is there a newer version of TCPMP that is compatible?
Thanks!

The WMP supports avi and mp4. And it works!

Hmm, it does not work for me. That is strange.

dcam1075 said:
I used to use TCPMP but when I installed it on my TP2 it errors out at launch. Any ideas? Is there a newer version of TCPMP that is compatible?
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Try here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3275845&postcount=172
Once installed you need to go into Options/Settings... and choose the DirectDraw page, then tick the box that says "Use blitting instead of overlay".

Try Core Player. It is amazing... it is also running via network (wifi)

the best video player is coreplayer

Aqrab said:
the best video player is coreplayer
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The impression I get from reading these fora is that CorePlayer may be the best but that it's still not actually particularly good, as it is unable to benefit from any of the hardware acceleration provided by the Qualcomm chipset - this being HTC's fault for providing dodgy or non-existent drivers. It seems like this is a major weakness of the TP2.

Actually, from what I remember, it's not HTC's fault per se, so it's not really fair to blame HTC. The thing is that Qualcomm sold their chipsets but different price ranges for the same chip. The difference being that if one paid more then they'd get the drivers necessary to take advantage of other features. Basically one has to pay for the drivers. So HTC's player includes hardware acceleration, but just because it seems they have gotten the drivers for that feature doesn't mean that they can pass the drivers on to software makers (just like you can't legally pass your copy of a game on to a friend). But neither can we say it's Qualcomm's fault as it was their pricing plan. I think somewhere it was stated that it was a misunderstanding at some point. But yeah, that's the gist, and why if Coreplayer is to work they have to reverse engineer the drivers or deal with Qualcomm directly.

What's wrong with the built-in free WMP? It plays 640x480 MP4 (H.264) videos smoothly.

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Actually, from what I remember, it's not HTC's fault per se, so it's not really fair to blame HTC. The thing is that Qualcomm sold their chipsets but different price ranges for the same chip. The difference being that if one paid more then they'd get the drivers necessary to take advantage of other features. Basically one has to pay for the drivers. So HTC's player includes hardware acceleration, but just because it seems they have gotten the drivers for that feature doesn't mean that they can pass the drivers on to software makers (just like you can't legally pass your copy of a game on to a friend). But neither can we say it's Qualcomm's fault as it was their pricing plan. I think somewhere it was stated that it was a misunderstanding at some point. But yeah, that's the gist, and why if Coreplayer is to work they have to reverse engineer the drivers or deal with Qualcomm directly.
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Let me get this straight... Your saying it's not HTC's fault because you think they didn't know they were buying chipsets without drivers from Qualcomm. To me it sounds like they cheaped out and screwed consumers.
I highly doubt its a misunderstanding and I'm not afraid to place blame because I'm more than certain HTC knew what they were doing otherwise they wouldn't keep ordering more of the same chipset to produce new phones.
If this were really the case I would assume we would see slightly different hardware or drivers included with CDMA versions since they would have had time to figure this out since everyone else already has.

Gave up Core Player for the Touch phones. It doesn't play movies at all well. Just use the built-in WMP or the HTC album player.
Download the Encoder GUI and just re-encode your movies. Let it run during your bedtime. Easy!

Lord_BlackAdder said:
What's wrong with the built-in free WMP? It plays 640x480 MP4 (H.264) videos smoothly.
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For starters, it doesn't play xvid.

Shasarak said:
For starters, it doesn't play xvid.
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Re-encode it using the Encoder GUI. Why fight it?
Don't think there any mobile phones that can play xvid videos at 800x480 smoothly. Even the latest i8000 only supports video playback at up to 720x480.
Even if you get an iPhone, you will still need to convert it to in order for you to watch it.
My solution, either re-encode it, or play a lower resolution xvid (i think i tried it once at 622x288, can't remember and it played ok in core player).

I'd go with Coreplayer too as it has the widest range of codecs available BUT if the bitrate of your clip is too high your phone won't like it whatever player you use (but you probably knew that anyway...)

Hi Everyone I have found that GOM Encoder does an outstanding job of converting any movie to a playable format for the Rhodium

reddog said:
Hi Everyone I have found that GOM Encoder does an outstanding job of converting any movie to a playable format for the Rhodium
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Hey, good find! Will give it a try for sure! Cheers!

Core player has some nice features, but benchmarking h264 playback it was somewhat lacking compaired to windows media player mobile....
95% of the time u will want to/have to re-encode to make it smaller or lower the bitrate to something it can play, so codec support shoudnt be a choosing factor...
I get WMPM playing smooth with H264(1300~ bitrate) and ACC audio(stereo at 128 varieable bitrate) at 800x416. which is dame nice quality on the small screen
I'll start a thread on encoding with MeGUI to get you all started

But I can't get full screen on WMP
Lord_BlackAdder said:
What's wrong with the built-in free WMP? It plays 640x480 MP4 (H.264) videos smoothly.
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Do you know what I'm doing wrong? After not being able to use WMP on my Universal (WM5) because it could not do full screen - I load a movie into WMP on my shiny new Touch Pro 2 and 'full screen' isn't - it has a dirty great big border round it! The video is smaller then the screen but WMP is set to stretch to screen. What gives??
John

Shasarak said:
Try here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3275845&postcount=172
Once installed you need to go into Options/Settings... and choose the DirectDraw page, then tick the box that says "Use blitting instead of overlay".
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wow that done the trick for me, awesome playback imo

I tried the Touch HD encoder and used the advised settings in the thread.
Playback is smooth in HTC Album, but the quality seemed fuzzier than my normal method.
So back I go to:
Coreplayer
Videos encoded using PocketDivXEncoder with the following settings:
HDTV preset
Video quality: 70
Audio quality: maximum
Resize the video so that the video width is 400 pixels, maintaining the aspect ratio.

DIVX support in FroYo?

Now that some of us (who own a N1) are receiving the OTA update for android 2.2..... Is there anyone who can tell, if there is DIVX support in Froyo?
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MXdar said:
Now that some of us (who own a N1) are receiving the OTA update for android 2.2..... Is there anyone who can tell, if there is DIVX support in Froyo?
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Definitley not.

abc27 said:
Definitley not.
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Too bad... thanks for clearing that up

I really cant believe google still decided not to include DIVX support for their device! The hardware supposed to support them (in fact too good for it).

Patiently awaiting release of coreplayer for Android
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Dont.. Coreplayer is over priced rubbish. Those guys blame all sorts of things on the lack of APIs and inferior SDKs, when really they just cant do something and justify the huge price they ask. Simple fact.. Android will not support a player that costs 19.99. zyflash is as good as coreplayer would ever get on Android, unless HTC release Divx support. If they do there is no reason to pay for coreplayer since the native player will work fine, and a number of free of cheap alternatives will pop up.
Coreplayer for winmo has been a waste of time for the recent CPUs because qualcomm simply dont support anything but the MPEG4 format they accelerate. Coreplayer isnt getting around this, its just letting you play the files unaccelerated, playback performance is not good.

Why d'ya want DivX anyway? It's a desperately outdated, inefficent format, and I have to use ffmpeg to play it under Windows because the official DivX decoder is horrible, crashes and has dreadful quality. Why support that nonsense? H.264 FTW!

i got an Hd2 with coreplayer and im able to see any divx with excellent frame rate! the only issue is the lack of AC3 audio codec support.
it's a shame that i can't do the same on desire - just drag&drop a movie to see it outside!

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This isn't the first time I've seen an opinionated fool like this idiot wade in with such nonsense about Divx / Xvid - some fools just don't think things through. I have approx 3,000 films of which around 98% are in Divx / Xvid - have you any idea how much room that takes up ? Well, son , some quick mathematics would indicate if we just arbitrarily said each film was 700MB, then 3,000 * 700 = 2,100,000MB - do you REALLY think I'm going to re-encode these ? Get a life son and think it through - at present, the lack of Divx / Xvid support is a serious pain in the arse, something which needs to be addressed - I understand it has to do with the underlying Java in Android - whatever - Froyo / Gingerbread needs to up the Android game, which I feel they are doing, to make it a multimedia powerhouse - chop chop
Simon xx
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Not being funny but WHY are they in Divx format? I have hundred of movies as well, NONE are in Divx. Divx is dead, MPEG4 is how its going to be because hardware acceleration for MPEG 4 is fast and cheap and efficient.
So you have loads of Divx films, fine, your phone will not hold anything like all of them, so encode when you want to put one on.
Lets get one thing straight. Divx support is BACKWARDS compatibility. Backwards compatibility is never guaranteed in any format change. MP4 is everywhere now, from audio, to youtube, digital satellite and cable through to high end Blu-ray. 700MB Divx implies low res, low bit rate DVD rips, a pretty horrid experience if i may say. If i had those files i would be upgrading to BR rips or at least up scaled higher bitrate files. Even if i didnt want to do that a conversion to MP4 wouldn't take long on such a file.

PaoloWeckl said:
i got an Hd2 with coreplayer and im able to see any divx with excellent frame rate! the only issue is the lack of AC3 audio codec support.
it's a shame that i can't do the same on desire - just drag&drop a movie to see it outside!
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Its 'ok' on the HD2 yeah, but still costs a lot when TCPMP is free and almost as good. zyPlayer (as its now called in 1.4 form) seems better for WMV files now on Android, most play quite smoothly, AVIs are still a bit sluggish.

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Divx is dead, MPEG4 is how its going to be because hardware acceleration for MPEG 4 is fast and cheap and efficient.
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Small point of order, but it's a little bit of a nonsense to talk about DivX and MPEG4 in these terms, because DivX *is* MPEG4.
More specifically, DivX is an implementation of the MPEG4 Part 2.
What you are really referring to is H264, which is an implementation of MPEG4 Part 10.
To say that DivX is dead at this stage though would be premature - If you're a regular downloader of TV shows via BitTorrent, most of the content you find will be DivX/XVid. Given that Samsung and LG Android phones support DivX, and that HTC announced that the Desire would be getting an update to support DivX, there are clear indications that support for the codec is still desirable - legacy codec or not.
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divx
It's not a sunrise that froyo doesn't include divx support.
Google are responsible for the OS
It is HTC who have to update the feature. And put divx support. Personally to me its not a deal breaker . I had a Samsung jet with divx support never had cause to watch a film on it.

dahmmy said:
I had a Samsung jet with divx support never had cause to watch a film on it.
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Given the size of the Jet i wouldnt either.. but i had/have the Omnia HD and i can tell you it was brilliant to watch TV/Films on it. Infact it was so cool i could just drop files onto the SD card and then at lunch time at work just nip out and pass the time watching a proggy.
Now i had to know what i fancy to watch and wait 1hour even 2 hours for it to convert.

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Small point of order, but it's a little bit of a nonsense to talk about DivX and MPEG4 in these terms, because DivX *is* MPEG4.
More specifically, DivX is an implementation of the MPEG4 Part 2.
What you are really referring to is H264, which is an implementation of MPEG4 Part 10.
To say that DivX is dead at this stage though would be premature - If you're a regular downloader of TV shows via BitTorrent, most of the content you find will be DivX/XVid. Given that Samsung and LG Android phones support DivX, and that HTC announced that the Desire would be getting an update to support DivX, there are clear indications that support for the codec is still desirable - legacy codec or not.
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Only ever download HD content so Divx isnt an issue for me.

Popping out at lunch to watch a film....
That's sad , why don't you ask that girl that you always fancied out for lunch instead of being billy no mates..

You should use this player may be, i read my old avi with no prob...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642713

dahmmy said:
Popping out at lunch to watch a film....
That's sad , why don't you ask that girl that you always fancied out for lunch instead of being billy no mates..
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lol!!
sometimes u get mithered all day you just want to get out and chill for an hour.
but hey its spring/summer now and thats usually involved a trip to the bear gardens. just annoying you have to go back to work afterwards.

kazgor said:
lol!!
sometimes u get mithered all day you just want to get out and chill for an hour.
but hey its spring/summer now and thats usually involved a trip to the bear gardens. just annoying you have to go back to work afterwards.
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Ah yes the bear gardens. A great place to spend lunch

that yxplayer sucks, andriod is not open when it comes to API, developers do not have access to hardware accelleration.
i'm also a n900 user and you can download codec support and watch almost all formats within resolution limitation.
Andriod phone suck for multi media!

yxplayer is all u need and its very well supported... 1 update a week so far for me

media player with slowmo ?

Coreplayer on Windows mobile was the best media player period, but it's not available on Android.
Which media players will do slowmo playback ?

What Im also interested in is, can the Galaxy S do high-fps recording?
The Wave does it and its nearly the same hardware. I wonder why Samsung didnt built this in. The Droid X has it too afaik.

Supports 30fps video!

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Supports 30fps video!
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That's not what I meant...
Do you know those slow mo vids of exploding ballons filled with water etc.?
I want to record videos like that.
It's recording with like 200fps!
The Samsung Wave and Droid X are capable of doing so, but the Galaxy S isn't.

I wants to know, too.
The resolution would surely have to be downscaled, I suppose.

After much debate I finally got hold of the Galaxy S because I thought it would be the ultimate multi-media device (being able to play 720P mkv's and other media without conversion), so I put the iphone 3GS away.
Lo and behold, it has the same crappy media player controls as the iphone.
Play , Pause and scroll slider.
Come on!!!!
Even my 5 year old windows mobile smartphone (SPV C500) had the ability to play media at variable speeds .inc variable speed slow motion (coreplayer).
Please tell me that there's a fully loaded media player available for Android that does this device justice.

anyone seen anything new similar to Coreplayer?

RockPlayer on the market is for armv6...but I remember that one friend manage to install the v7 from market.
Regarding 720p mkv playing, some videos were running even with subtitles rendered, while others no. Others couldn't play at all, like the 1080p mkv. Anyone knows if there is a bitrate limit or why others 720p mkv don't work?

cristipurdel said:
RockPlayer on the market is for armv6...but I remember that one friend manage to install the v7 from market.
Regarding 720p mkv playing, some videos were running even with subtitles rendered, while others no. Others couldn't play at all, like the 1080p mkv. Anyone knows if there is a bitrate limit or why others 720p mkv don't work?
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What does this have to do with a slomo feature?

I am not aware of any media player for Android that can play slowmo, but I think there is one way you could do this indirectly using the "VLC stream and convert" app. Stream your movie from your desktop to your phone in slowmo via VLC media player which can play movies in slowmo.
I have not tried this myself but I guess it should work. I know this is not the ideal solution.

Youtube works on Windows Phone 7 !!!!

Youtube works on WP7, caught on video
check it out : 1800PocketPC
once you play a video its automatically added to your Music and Video Hub !!!!

works on the youtube mobile version, http://m.youtube.com

Honestly, did anyone expect it NOT to work in WP7?

with out flash , yes many of us did not think it would work initially.

forget youtube....XVID is a supported format out of the box. Now I can do less work at work and look at animes on my phone .

gom99 said:
XVID is a supported format out of the box. Now I can do less work at work and look at animes on my phone .
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*Sigh*
It's not true, unfortunately, according to the official list of codecs supported in the RTM version of WP7. As you will see there, there's no xvid or divx in the list.
Luckily, MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile is listed, and this means that most xvid/divx videos should work as both xvid and divx are variations of this spec.
However, this codec isn't supported in .avi container, the file should be an .mp4 or an m4v.
To add insult to injury, you will not hear any sound in those videos if they have a soundtrack encoded in mp3 or AC3. Only AAC-LC.
To summarize, there's just no way to view a real-life video in WP7 without messing with some sort of convertion. A bit of good news is that it shouldn't require hours, it should be enough to remux the video (put it into another container) and reencode audio (a bit lengthier), and it's better than what you get in Android or iOS, but still far from smooth hassle-free experience.

^ very funny.
I'll have you know that I don't need to convert videos for my phone. Have you seen the specs for new higher end Androids, they support most codecs out the box. The only codec I haven't seen work was for converted dvds or .vob.

vetvito said:
I'll have you know that I don't need to convert videos for my phone. Have you seen the specs for new higher end Androids, they support most codecs out the box.
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I know, that's brought by OEMs. Who can do the same for WP7 if they wish, although that will cost them less as the base things are covered by MS, both in terms of licensing and hardware acceleration built in. Supporting a container is should be much easier than supporting a codec. In this case all you need to do is a demultiplexer, the actual decoders are already there.

vangrieg said:
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It's not true, unfortunately, according to the official list of codecs supported in the RTM version of WP7. As you will see there, there's no xvid or divx in the list.
Luckily, MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile is listed, and this means that most xvid/divx videos should work as both xvid and divx are variations of this spec.
However, this codec isn't supported in .avi container, the file should be an .mp4 or an m4v.
To add insult to injury, you will not hear any sound in those videos if they have a soundtrack encoded in mp3 or AC3. Only AAC-LC.
To summarize, there's just no way to view a real-life video in WP7 without messing with some sort of convertion. A bit of good news is that it shouldn't require hours, it should be enough to remux the video (put it into another container) and reencode audio (a bit lengthier), and it's better than what you get in Android or iOS, but still far from smooth hassle-free experience.
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Bah, I should have look at that further instead of taking the article at face value.
My 2nd thought was hoping that wasn't final and that wp7 should play everything zune does as well. So I looked up the Zune specs and the avi container isn't there either . Although the xbox 360 has supported xvid in .avi since fall 2007 I believe, so that's a glimmer of hope.
Thanks for clearing that up though. Audio & Video Codecs are a pain in the neck.

Not only codecs are a pain for everyone, but also a very confusing topic, tech blogs mix up things all the time.
The most amazing thing in all this story for me is that .avi is Microsoft's format. Why they don't support it in their products is totally beyond my comprehension.
Oh, and of course this: mp4 is based on Apple's QuickTime video format, while m4v is totally developed by Apple. Go figure.