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Buying TP2 from US to use in UK?

Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.

Go Vodafone. Far better customer service than o2. Was a loyal o2 customer for about 5 years and was sick of not being able to understand indian accents on customer support. Gave up went to vodafone, got TP2. Profit.
As for the bands I am unsure. Just my input about netwroks. Sorry if it wasnt what you wanted.

I believe that that T-Mobile US version is compatible and the AT&T Version (which isn't out yet) definitely is. None of the US versions have front cameras, though. You will also need to find someone with AT&T that will request the unlock code for you (unless you find it unlocked on eBay).

Thanks for your quick response!
I tried going via Vodafone but the TP2 is currently only available to business customers. And because I have only moved house last month they rejected my application (didn't pass their credit check, apparently, despite having not missed a single credit payment, ever, in my life...). They did say I can apply again in 3 months, but I don't think I can wait that long, as I've been eye-ing the TP2 for like 3 months, waiting for my O2 contract to end!
I hear that the TP2 in the states are getting a regular 3mm plug for audio, which is a plus, but loses the front camera... hmm, trade offs! But at the risk of them incompatibility... perhaps a UK version is in order...

http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/
there you go

yep go to MPD get a unlocked unbranded with a voda contract thats what i did £25 for the phone and 750 mins 250 text unlimited internet for £33 a month

Thirding MPD, 25 quid contract 18 months + web and walk.
Paid £50 for the phone. This gets a pristine unlocked oem phone which can be invaluable later on when the roms etc start coming out!
As far as the bands go- Im pretty sure you will be fine- if you have a look at this list:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/com...[0]=3478&phones[1]=2879&phones[2]=1590&area=2
It compares the Euro TP2 with the US touch pro and a sidekick (which should give a fair indication of what bands are used)
This site gives the bands and coverage for a load of networks over the pond so you should be able to check if you will get service:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...

solsearch said:
The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...
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Thanks that is very helpful. I think I will follow the advice of others and go with MPD for a new contract. Thanks again everyone! I cant wait to get my hands on the TP2.

If you are calling them, persist in re-dialing - don't bother leaving a message - it's worth it.
I dealt with Lucy - excellent service.

CuteCutie said:
Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.
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When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.

At0mAng said:
When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.
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AT&T's HTC phones with 3G all have 2100MHz, I am sure the Tile 2 (Touch Pro 2 for AT&T) will also. This means it will work with European 3G as well as AT&T 3G.

I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).

solsearch said:
I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).
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Thats the T-Mobile version with the different 2100MHz. It has 1700MHz and 2100MHz, one for download and one for uplink. The European 2100MHz is 2100MHz for both downlink and uplink. The 2100MHz included on AT&T handsets is the European 2100MHz and not the T-Mobile version (which is referred to as 1700MHz to get around confusion).
The T-Mobile version's specifications list 1700MHz/2100MHz. I do not know if they are referring only to their bands where one is downlink and one is uplink or if they mean 1700MHz (1700MHz/2100MHz) AND European 2100MHz. I would bet that it includes European 3G but I am not positive.

Sorry, my bad. I get those companies mixed up

Yes I have been worried about the whole slightly different band and therefore it may or may not work in Europe!
I am having trouble with phone contracts at the moment because I have just moved home so my credit rating is completely annhilated and it just takes too long for the credit company to sort it out. In the end I have used eBay and bought a Vodafone branded TP2. I am sticking with O2 simplicity SIM at the moment as a rolling 30 day contract. I've not had too much trouble with O2 customer service, I always seem to get non-Indian, English speaking folks, but retention line was unprepared to make any offer at all which baffled me!
Anyway, onto the exciting (and somewhat scary prospect!) of getting to grips with Hard SPL and custom Roms!
PS, sorry At0mAng I got your message too late! I was thinking of California.

Htc Hero On 3g In The US ?

Hey, Ive had the Htc Hero for a few weeks, and i was wondering if it was possible to make a hack or something so 3g will work on the us 3g bands. Or will we have to wait until they release a gsm unlocked north American Htc hero. Please get back soon.

You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.

Im thinking this will show up on Roger's in Canada (uses AT&T Compatible 850/1900) before it actually shows up from AT&T.
Ebay.ca would be the way to go.

I believe it might show up on AT&T sooner than we all think
A version with AT&T 3G bands have already passed the FCC (as well as a version with EvDo bands for Sprint) so it looks like 2 North American carriers are poised for some Hero lovin'. Frankly, I'm ready for either an AT&T Hero or a Sprint Hero as I use both carriers.

Freak786 said:
You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.
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according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
it should work with at&t and should not lock you into an expensive plan like the iphone if you get it unlocked.

agentkalaw said:
according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
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Quad band for GSM, not for HSDPA/WCDMA. Hero will currently work in the US, but Edge is the best you'll get.
Regards,
Dave

My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !

daraj said:
My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !
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Is this a fact?

Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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Thats the Hero 200 not the Hero 130.

Its just a matter of time before we can use it on AT&T Network

Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.

michd43 said:
Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.
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No one is saying that ATT will get the HERO. We are saying that there will be 850Mhz WDMA version that works on ATT 3G network. It could be very much like you said Rogers Canada. again, there will be HERO 130 that supports ATT 3G network.

does anyone know if the sprint hero will be able to be rooted? i have heard that it will not be possible. please respond thank you.

850 3g ready!
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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This has been covered in this forum many many times already. You don't have to dig up old threads and then add in some wrong information.
The AT&T 3G capable (850/1900) Hero is carried by Canadian carrier Telus, NOT Rogers. The phone is available from their website directly for CAD$499 + tax, without contract. They don't ship outside Canada, and people have reported that their local Telus stores do not sell them without opening a line. Some said that it could be purchased without contract at BestBuy (in Canada of course).
A friend (who lives in Canada) of mine helped me to get one. It is unbranded, but sim locked to Telus. Unlock code can be purchased on eBay for slightly over 20 bucks. Mine now works with AT&T 3G flawlessly. Note that the difference between this Hero and the European Hero, is in hardware. No ROM flashing will enable 850/1900 for 3G on the European Hero.

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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BTW, the support of the band 850 alone will not enable a phone to use AT&T 3G network. It requires BOTH 850 and 1900 together.

Yup i'm from toronto and under contract with Rogers. I bought a Telus HTC Hero and unlocked it and it works perfect with Rogers. I took a trip down to NYC and it works on AT&T 3G with no problems.

850/1900 VS. 900/2100 for 3G
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer

tomerbn said:
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer
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Sorry but this is not the case. Rogers version of Dream and Magic have been out for long time already. Have you heard of any case where people can get European or T-Mobile versions of these phones to work on AT&T 3G?
1. The European Hero does not share the same hardware part number with the Telus Hero. The former is HERO100 and the latter is HERO130. Note that this part number is independent of the ROM installed. Asian Heros (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China etc), all have different ROMs but they are all HERO100.
2. Your "certification theory" is wrong. This type of certification doesn't work that way. Adding another chip to support 2 more bands won't delay the certification by months. Days, at most, if at all.
3. Continued from 2. The HERO100 was never sent to FCC for certification. I have both phones with me right now, and there is no FCC certification logo on the HERO100 hardware or on the box, while the FCC logo is easily spotted on the HERO130.
4. People on the other thread had report dialing problems flashing HERO100 radio rom onto HERO130. The problem went away by flashing a newer HERO100 (but no one knows where it came from) radio rom, although people are still reporting SMS problem with this radio rom on HERO130. This radio has been reported to work perfectly (indeed, a lot reported better reception) on HERO100. If the HERO100 and the HERO130 share the same hardware, the difference should go away by flashing the same rom. The fact that, with the same rom the HERO130 supports 850/1900 for 3G while the HERO100 doesn't, clearly indicate the difference in hardware.
While it is not impossible for cell phone manufacturers modify radio rom to restrict bands that their phones support, this is very uncommon (Can you name those WinMo device that you mentioned?). On the other hand, almost every cell phone model has various verisons of hardware to support different bands in different countries. A chip that supports fewer bands costs less. When there are enough demand to move sales, it is much more profitable to produce a region specific hardware with a cheaper chip than to write code to restrict the functionality of a more expensive chip that supports bands that that region never needs.

Telstra Desire avaliable April 27th

Those of you who wish for 850 Mhz 3G, your day is coming. Telstra and HTC have confirmed that April 27th is the release date: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/341055/htc_confirms_telstra_desire_plans/?fp=4194304&fpid=1

Isn't it like $750-800 outright? Makes you wonder how much a U.S. resident would have to pay to import one
Here is the page I was referring to - http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2010/03/26/htc-desire-for-free-on-telstra-april-27th/

Awesome news! Currently got an iPhone, and really want to ditch it and go Desire. I am currently a Telstra staff member, but will be leaving before release of the phone so cant get it on a staff plan

SO help me out with this. 850mhz 3G is the same as US at&t, right? And does this suggest that the desire hardware is actually tri-band 3G and just radio ROM locked somehow, or are they manufacturing a different phone for Telstra that will not have the 900/2100mhz band?? Obviously what I;m getting at is that, if one lives in asia but often travels to the USA, should I wait and try to get one of these telstra phones so I can use 3G in both China and USA? apologies if I've put foot in mouth RE 3G band stuff, please do correct me if I've said something silly!
THANKS

mlalahoi said:
SO help me out with this. 850mhz 3G is the same as US at&t, right? And does this suggest that the desire hardware is actually tri-band 3G and just radio ROM locked somehow, or are they manufacturing a different phone for Telstra that will not have the 900/2100mhz band?? Obviously what I;m getting at is that, if one lives in asia but often travels to the USA, should I wait and try to get one of these telstra phones so I can use 3G in both China and USA? apologies if I've put foot in mouth RE 3G band stuff, please do correct me if I've said something silly!
THANKS
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I am curious also. I know that the Telstra HD works on AT&T's 3G network. So there might be a possibility that it could catch 3G in the United States. I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to network bands so hopefully someone in the "know" can chime in

Hmmm, this review of a Telstra unit says it goes on sale tomorrow! I wonder if thats true.

Black HTC Desire - Work in Australia?

Hey,
I know less than I'd like about networks and what bands work where and what you need to use a phone in Aus, so I'm hoping one of you gents could help me out?
I'm just wondering if I buy this:
http://www.portagadgets.com/australia/product.php?productid=38238&cat=0&page=1
If it will work with my Vodafone sim here in Australia?
Cheers guys.

That link is dead

Wow ok yeah. They must have run out, I guess?

Telstra - 850MHz and 2100MHz
All other carriers 900MHz and 2100Mhz.
Two model of desire:
1. A8181 - 900MHz and 2100Mhz
2. A8183 - 850MHz and 2100MHz
Currently if you buy a desire locally it will be (2) because of Telstras exclusive deal with HTC. You can use this on networks other than Telstra on their 2100MHz networks in major cities, but when this tries to fall back to their rural 900Mhz networks you wont get 3G.
If you get a Desire overseas it will be (1). It will safely work on all non-Telstra netorks. It will also have the advantage of not having Telstra branded firmware, which is cleaner and you will not have to wait for Telstra to release custom firmware.
You can get (1) through grey importers such as mobicity.com.au, but the warranty will be through them, not HTC.
Hope this clears things up for you.

Thanks for all that info, that's what I was after
The link is back up, the only thing that concerns me is the differnt 3G freq listed between the black and brown models. But the serial is A8181 so I'll trust that.
Now whether I trust the site is another thing. The only Black Desires were from Orange in the UK, and this is the ONLY place I've seen unlocked versions for sale online, I'm not sure if I'll actually be getting a black one. Their customer service is pretty shoddy, reviews are mixed and all the bad reviews play right into the issues I'm afraid of (misrepresenative stock, not being able to return/exchange)
Anyone had any experience with them?

[Q] International Desire, American 3g?

I'm moving to the U.S. (california if that matters) in a couple of weeks and it's time for me to buy a desire. Being from Sweden I'm used to having great 3g service and use it well. What happens if i buy the phone here (not a U.S. specific model) and bring it overseas? Will 3g work? If so, can I choose from any carrier?

Woppe said:
I'm moving to the U.S. (california if that matters) in a couple of weeks and it's time for me to buy a desire. Being from Sweden I'm used to having great 3g service and use it well. What happens if i buy the phone here (not a U.S. specific model) and bring it overseas? Will 3g work? If so, can I choose from any carrier?
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No it won't - a European Desire won't give you 3G on any US Network.
Regards,
Dave

Woppe said:
I'm moving to the U.S. (california if that matters) in a couple of weeks and it's time for me to buy a desire. Being from Sweden I'm used to having great 3g service and use it well. What happens if i buy the phone here (not a U.S. specific model) and bring it overseas? Will 3g work? If so, can I choose from any carrier?
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it all depends on which carrier you use. I have ATT and I bought my Telstra (made for AUZ) that uses the same band for 3g as ATT does and I get great 3g in SO CAL.
if you buy one in Sweden it will not work on 3g here. You can buy one from US Cellular and it will work here but they don't have that great of coverage. You can buy a EVO from Sprint, but you won't have a sim card.
If you buy a Telstra for the US it will work in Sweden (not sure about 3g) but you will have 3g in US on ATT when you get here. I bought my from here

Thank you, that was helpful information!
Is a Desire using the 850MHz band what I need?

Woppe said:
Thank you, that was helpful information!
Is a Desire using the 850MHz band what I need?
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yes, the 850 will work on ATT 3g

I'm going to Florida on holiday next year. I intended on buying a prepaid sim for my Desire (from Orange, debranded and unlocked). I did intend using 3G if it were available but after reading some of these posts I'm now unsure this will work.
Much appreciated if anyone could give me any advice.
Many thanks.

or8it said:
I'm going to Florida on holiday next year. I intended on buying a prepaid sim for my Desire (from Orange, debranded and unlocked). I did intend using 3G if it were available but after reading some of these posts I'm now unsure this will work.
Much appreciated if anyone could give me any advice.
Many thanks.
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if you have an EUR desire it will not work on 3g in the US, it has different bands. it will work for Edge. If the phone's bandwidth (networks) don't match the carrier's it does not matter what sim card you have. Most EUR world phone's will work in US but just not on 3g, it must be same bandwidth.
if you must have 3g for your hoilday then you are better buying a prepaid phone, but that won't be a Desire

Thanks for explanation, very helpful.

Hi!
Type *#*#4636#*#* in dial pad, you will get to a screen where some information and hidden settings placed in; then tap on the first item which is "telephone information", and there press "menu" button, here in the android menu the first item is "select radio-band"! when you choose this menu option you will see a list of GSM/UMTS radio-band alternatives; Automatic, EURO, USA, JAPAN, AUS, AUS2 bands"
Well I'm not expert on this particular issue, just wondering what these radio-band options are for(?) Maybe you can change your Desire's radio band to USA band and try if it works in the USA (appreciate if you supply feedback whether or not it really works)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

You can't change bands that's hardware related, its cheaper to buy a TELUS desire, it has 850, 1900 bands
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You can't change bands that's hardware related, its cheaper to buy a TELUS desire, it has 850, 1900 bands
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Unfortunately when the Telus Desire goes back to Sweden, it won't have 3G.
The US Cellular Desire won't work in Sweden at all since there's no CDMA carrier.
If it weren't so hard now to get a Nexus One I'd suggest that to you. Both version support Euro 3G and you'd use it on AT&T or T-Mobile in the US depending on which version you acquire.
The problem is, as far as I know, there are no tri-band 3G HTC Desires. There is 850/1900 (Telus), 850/2100 (Telstra) and 900/2100 (Euro). So Telstra is the only one that gives you some compromise of 3G on both continents.
On the other hand I'm pretty sure all the GSM North American Samsung Galaxy S phones (Bell Vibrant, AT&T Captivate, T-Mobile Vibrant) support the Euro 2100 band.