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[REQ]TouchCube on HD?

I owe both a Polaris and a Blackstone and, in my opinion, TouchCube is far better than TF3D. TF3D looks nice but let's face it... it eats up system resources, it's laggy, when browsing through tabs it's not very thumb friendly (you have to bend your thumb to the max), you can't customize the tabs position (it would help if they were placed on one side because it would be easier to scroll through the same number of items having at least 30% more room to place the tabs), the so called customization... is way too limited (you get to change the fonts, the tab order, the shortcuts... in the end you'll get the same layout), the multimedia section was divided with the unhappy default association of the video files with an application clearly meant for photos...
So... my question: can the TouchCube be ported on the Blackstone and, along with it the Polaris Audio Manager? Can the Album application be "broken" in two applications one handling the photos and the other the videos?

I was thinking just the other day "what happened to the cube?"
It was pretty cool. Think it would be good a replacement for the action screen thats floating about?

Try duttys ROM with new manila, TF3D is uber fast

Sallcho said:
Try duttys ROM with new manila, TF3D is uber fast
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and what about ergonomics?

So... I get it that no developer is interested in porting the Cube to Blackstone

I have never tried it, but how about the option "Cube" under HTC TouchFLO when using Advanced Config. How about changing that to Enabled, will that do the job?

I'll make it my next project
I'm currently finishing an animated today screen for this phone while docked but when I'm done that that I'll start work on a cube launcher that replaces the current Program's tab with a custom app that gives you a cube with multiple options for launching programs... icon view, rotate to list view, rotate to cover-flow view etc

Did you try the cube here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
Maybe you just have to adapt to wvga screen ?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
I tried this one instead... installs ok but it's for qvga it starts and then it goes to the top-left corner. the animations work just fine, some of the links must be rebuilt... and that's about it. But... i mus admit it... i don't have the knowledge to port it to WVGA...

I know it won't be free, but what about something like SPB Mobile 3 due out at the end of March? Have a look at around 58 seconds in here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/update-spb-mobile-shell-3
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Just found a video showing it on a Touch HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA&feature=related

Cookie999
I appreciate the work of the people at SPB. It seams they did a good job. But... I am not a phonecentric person and something like the cube suites me better. SPBM3 looks like it requires a lot of time to be customized and even when you think you got it you wake up with a fully texted today screen and a directions map to help you swipe through screens...
The HTC TouchCube might seam blunt compareing it to SPBM3 but this is what I like about it... an easy way to launch/hide, easy recognition of the page you're in... i can't explain it very well but for me... the TouchCube is more natural, more organized and a better interface than the windows start menu when it comes to basic tasks.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPB Mobile 3 looks great... forget what I wrote before. No need to write what they have already written

Cookie999 said:
I know it won't be free, but what about something like SPB Mobile 3 due out at the end of March? Have a look at around 58 seconds in here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/update-spb-mobile-shell-3
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Just found a video showing it on a Touch HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA&feature=related
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Dude! That looks freeking awesome and just think I neally bought an iPhone 3G

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nice i like it...
Cookie999 said:
I know it won't be free, but what about something like SPB Mobile 3 due out at the end of March? Have a look at around 58 seconds in here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/update-spb-mobile-shell-3
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Just found a video showing it on a Touch HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA&feature=related
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looks great!!
it moves really good!

Please resize the cube for vga/wvga would love it!!
yea spb mobile shell 3.0 does look good buuuuuuttttttttttttt its not free cost almost $30 and to be honest like many of you have been saying, i do miss the cube app from the htc touch...that app was very cool an useful plus i loved how when you needed it you just swiped up an when you were done you swiped down an that was that... SO I TO HOPE THAT IT CAN BE RESIZED FOR VGA AND WVGA!!!!!

Mrferrari23
If only I could... I'd do it myself

If it was posible id like the touchcube too, it's more finger friendly imo and it's faster to use. Like said before, if I knew how to do it myself, I would..

Bell UI
Browsing the internet I found the Bell UI. Looks quite nice.
To all the chefs out there... is there a chance to port this to HD? 'Cause I'm kinda' giving up the idea of the Cube being ported to the HD...

Using Opera with LogMeIn works! and you can zoom in with the Slider Bar

Click on the computer you want to access and the URL https://secure.logmein.com/connect_axtest.asp comes up, logme in will hang displaying a white screen instead of asking for the user name and password, click on the address and replace axtest for mozilla so the address will be https://secure.logmein.com/connect_mozilla.asp and hit enter, in the next screen LogmeIn may ask if you want to install the plugin, just click Skip, and you are done.
Logmein uses the mozilla Java not ActiveX.
This means you can use the slider to zoom in and get a better resolved image to read those hard to see small fonts. If you play around with the LogMeIn zoom and the slider bar together you should be able to get the resolution you want

but the TP2 comes with a fully featured version of remote desktop?
I've used both and RD is definately the better performance wise, just wondering why you'd choose logmein over it?

dazkeirle said:
but the TP2 comes with a fully featured version of remote desktop?
I've used both and RD is definately the better performance wise, just wondering why you'd choose logmein over it?
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Maybe it's my age, but one of the PCs I want to control has a 1920 x 1200 display and the text is really. really, small and difficult to read on the TP2. This option lets you zoom in. Also the font on RDP gets a bit screwed up betimes.
My version of the TP2 didn't have RDP, I got a CAB from this great forum to remedy that.

I agree with Tomo. RDP isn't always the best solution especially going cross-platform. I access several OSX, Ubuntu, and Windows interfaces using Logmein which also helps to solve the dynamic IP issues on some systems. While RDP is faster, it also leaves out a lot of control. The Opera browser workaround is ok but I still use the WM client since I get a better refresh and I can also adjust zoom properly with the WM Client.

whtrbt7 said:
I agree with Tomo. RDP isn't always the best solution especially going cross-platform. I access several OSX, Ubuntu, and Windows interfaces using Logmein which also helps to solve the dynamic IP issues on some systems. While RDP is faster, it also leaves out a lot of control. The Opera browser workaround is ok but I still use the WM client since I get a better refresh and I can also adjust zoom properly with the WM Client.
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How do you manage the zoom?

fair enough. I actually also use logmein so am not an rdp fanboy.
I actually like the way LMI handles multiple monitors etc.

Thanks!
Hey Tomo,
thanks, it works pretty fine. I searched all day long for a solution like this.
bye

Hey,
Nicely played Sir.
It seems to work well with Opera 9.7, if it's only Java maybe we can get it working on other devices as well, Symbian? or Opera mini or skyfire? hmh...
Thanks!

Tomo said:
Click on the computer you want to access and the URL https://secure.logmein.com/connect_axtest.asp comes up, logme in will hang displaying a white screen instead of asking for the user name and password, click on the address and replace axtest for mozilla so the address will be https://secure.logmein.com/connect_mozilla.asp and hit enter, in the next screen LogmeIn may ask if you want to install the plugin, just click Skip, and you are done.
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I did as you say above and get to the point where I enter my login info, but then it bounces me back to the blah, blah, blah message about "...A Windows Pocket PC 2003 or newer device...." and wants me to download the CAB file again.
I never see the "connect_axtest.asp". The URL I'm seeing / overwritting is https://secure.logmein.com/connect_ce_check.asp could that be my issue?
Please advise...
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I can't get it to work either. I get the same https://secure.logmein.com/connect_ce_check.asp page rather than the page referenced above. I changed the link above to /connect_mozilla.asp and I got further than before. I got to the password login for the computer and I was able to select remote control. But when I selected remote control, I was taken to the same page telling me to download the CAB file.

dazkeirle said:
but the TP2 comes with a fully featured version of remote desktop?
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Where is this? Mine does not have it

TP2 - Remote Desktop
PaulusUK said:
Where is this? Mine does not have it
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My Sprint TP2 has it at "Start -> All Programs -> Remote Desktop Mobile". Scroll down to the "R"s and you should see it.
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Do I have to use 9.7 or will 9.5 work. With 9.5 i've gotten all the way to the PC login but then I only get a white screen that says simply "ip mismatch". On the PC it shows that a connection has been made though.

jalanjkcarp said:
I can't get it to work either. I get the same https://secure.logmein.com/connect_ce_check.asp page rather than the page referenced above. I changed the link above to /connect_mozilla.asp and I got further than before. I got to the password login for the computer and I was able to select remote control. But when I selected remote control, I was taken to the same page telling me to download the CAB file.
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If I remember correctly, I used IE first (full IE not pocket) using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=198923&stc=1&d=1245870498 to switch, it allows you to toggle between IE and PIE. Then downloaded the LogMeIn CAB. This is a one time only operation. Do this and then try the Opera fix. If this solves the problem I will amend the post to include it.

I am runing WM 6.5 with Opera 9.7.
No problem loging in with Java, it is a bit slower then ActiveX on IE.
I dont have 9.5 to try as it dose not have my local Lang support.

vHatch said:
Do I have to use 9.7 or will 9.5 work. With 9.5 i've gotten all the way to the PC login but then I only get a white screen that says simply "ip mismatch". On the PC it shows that a connection has been made though.
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I'm pretty much in the same situation. I'm running Opera 9.5 and I really don't want to install the 9.7 Beta.
Speaking of the Opera 9.7 Beta, how stable is it? The last update was over a month ago. Are they're any release date rumors??

Bump it up.

I think that is a problem with the PC, try connecting on a normal PC to LOGMEIN..
Anywho I am using this method for some 2-3 weeks now and it works 100% on a daily basis..
thx alot guyz!

garberfc said:
I'm pretty much in the same situation. I'm running Opera 9.5 and I really don't want to install the 9.7 Beta.
Speaking of the Opera 9.7 Beta, how stable is it? The last update was over a month ago. Are they're any release date rumors??
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I'm using the out of the box ROM/Opera that came with a HTC flavour TP2 (early issue) and it works for me

*cough* *cough*

Multitouch - How can I use it?

Hey guys!
Since the new HTC HD2 (Leo) is about to launch:
How can I use it's multitouch capability? Preferably with C#?
As far as I know the Windows Mobile SDK supports only the good old "Mouse_Down/Up/Move" events.
Is there anything I missed? Actually there must be, since HTC is using multitouch on their Sense UI (which is just an App, like everything else, right?).
Any ideas?

Hey, come on!
No ideas? Nothing?
I thought there were so many uber-developers in this froum

To my knowledge, the HD2's multitouch was homemade by HTC. It is not natively supported by Windows Mobile/C#/etc. Unlike Samsung, I don't think HTC has ever published an SDK or made any of their APIs available to outside developers.

But as far as I know the HD2 apps (like Opera Browser or Google Maps) work with multitouch as well. Were they adapted by HTC?
It would be too bad having a multitouch phone but not beeing able to program for it

VanKurt said:
Were they adapted by HTC?
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From what I've read, yes. I haven't used an HD2 personally though
It's kinda funny (or sad) that virtually every cool feature of the HD2 (capacitive screen, multitouch, etc) was made possible by HTC and not by Microsoft. OEMs and developers shouldn't have to waste their time writing touchscreen interfaces and sensor APIs, but that's the reality of Windows Mobile for the time being. WM7 had better be a huge leap forward.

OK, so we know that there's no official way to do this.
But maybe one can somehow get to those data otherwise?
I guess we'll have to wait until the HD2 is officially released to find out...

bedoig said:
OEMs and developers shouldn't have to waste their time writing touchscreen interfaces and sensor APIs, but that's the reality of Windows Mobile for the time being. WM7 had better be a huge leap forward.
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In their defense, Microsoft HAVE provided API's for WM for camera's, GPS chips and accelerometers. It's not their fault if the OEM's choose not to use them.

VanKurt said:
OK, so we know that there's no official way to do this.
But maybe one can somehow get to those data otherwise?
I guess we'll have to wait until the HD2 is officially released to find out...
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HTC's grav sensor API was soon reverse engineered, so I would expect this one to be too.

FloatingFatMan said:
In their defense, Microsoft HAVE provided API's for WM for camera's, GPS chips and accelerometers. It's not their fault if the OEM's choose not to use them.
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I wasn't aware that anything was available for accelerometers. Was that a recent addition? WM6.x?
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HTC's grav sensor API was soon reverse engineered, so I would expect this one to be too.
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I was thinking the same thing. The problem is still one of consistency between devices though. We need WM7 to lay a consistent groundwork for every feature that we now consider standard on a smartphone. Maybe that requires MS tightening restrictions on OEMs who choose to use Windows Mobile.

hold on am i missing something?.
you basically asking can you use multi touch on a phone such as diamond/touchpro 2?
multitouch capability depends on the actual hardware, with screens such as capacitive.
the HTC hero has a multi touch SCREEN...you can put the sense UI on resistive screens such as the GI, majic and so on.
do a google search on the difference between resistive and capacitive

Erm, no!
I asked specifically for the HTC HD2, which has a capacitive screen. So Multitouch should work very well on that device.
The only thing missing will be the API for it...
But we'll see about that (HD2 will be released any day now, I hope)

Multitouch is an HTC API...
I've got some way to working out how to use it, though I kinda need to have a device before I can do anything for real!

I know, that WM doesn't support multitouch. It'll be avaible in WM 7.

OK, now that the HD2 is out:
Did anyone play around with multitouch yet? Is there a way to use it in our own applications?

I played a little around with .Net, but havn't found any multitouch way...

Multitouch isn't part of .NET. HTC use there own library for this.
The hope is that someone will make it usable for development (like it happened with the G-Sensor)...

I thought about that HTC sends a Special-Mouse Click -> Mouse Scroll, so I can catch it, but this wasn't the case

Zoomer
There is an application called Zoomer,that enables almost all aplications that are installed to support Multitouch function on HD2,google for it.

That isn't a solution Zoomer just sets Registry entrys for using a Zoom, which just magnifiers the Window Of an App, without the ability for the App itself to draw this magnified space in high quality...

scilor said:
That isn't a solution Zoomer just sets Registry entrys for using a Zoom, which just magnifiers the Window Of an App, without the ability for the App itself to draw this magnified space in high quality...
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I'm currently working on the alternative, that sends the window messages to zoom in/zoom out, but you then need to handle them.
I think I've found what messages it is, and need to work out what exactly is getting sent, but that hopefully shouldn't take long...

ATT 6.5 Upgraders! - A few of questions...

Hi All
I have an unbranded SEA TP2 and am 'still' waiting for the official 6.5 upgrade from HTC.
If you have yours already i wondered if:
1. The Keyboard light issue has been fixed...?
The bugger doesn't seem to stay on when typing on the 6.1 standard.
2. Anyone tried SRS WOW on this new version...?
The 6.1 release ran it OK, but the phone eventually went into a non-wake up state so it proved to be useless.
3. There is less memory used to run the phone...?
6.1 seemed to use a hell of a lot of RAM after a while - i disabled push internet and this helped a lot.
4. Touch use in Landscape mode is better....?
With 6.1, it was often hard to trigger an event off say Opera in LM, finding the trigger hotspot was a little off on some of the buttons in various apps...
5. Is the Music Tab any better.....?
6.1 is all but useless for me. It was slow and oddly picked a single piece of cover art and used that for all songs. Interestingly, Nitrogen used the same songs, but applied the correct art to each song.
6. Is the Zoom Bar better or is there a 'magnifier' built in to the new OS..?
On my 6.1 the zoom bar is not too responsive and seemed really under utilised. I did see a built-in magnifier app on a video somewhere and hoped it might be included on 6.5 and the updated Manilla.
If anyone can shed some light, that would be really great.
In the interim, I wait for the update......
Cheers to all
Jabberoo

Menus don't work properly...

hi guys,
Not sure if this is the right place...
I have recently tried using a couple of pieces of software written for older version of WM, but I am running 6.5 (build 28014) on my AT&T Incite.
My problem is the left menu works but the right one does not, e.g.:
Iris browser - Navigate menu works but Page does not, it brings up the Navigate menu as well.... this makes it very hard to, for example, enter a URL to go to....
There was another piece of software, but I cannot for the life of me remember which one - it is gone right now since I just flashed my phone....
I have tried looking for answers, but cannot get any hits - anyone else ever seen this?
I am aware that Irisi is not supported product, but figured it was a broader scale issue since an unrelated piece of software did the same thing....
AJ

sorry let's get this right ... Page works (left menu) navigate doesn't ... (right menu)
other piece of software was an old hex editor - edh I think...
both may need older versions of .net cf - could that be it?
can I revert to older version of .net? (i have 3.7 built into my ROM)
AJ

bumping......
Come on - seriously.... not one reply???

It should work. From a developers point of view I understand it as follows.
The Left/Right Menu with the SIP icon in the middle appeared from WM 5 onward. Even if the program was built using Embedded C++ for WinMo 2003 its behaviour in later versions depends on how many mainmenu items there are. Two or less, and WinMo 5 onwards will display them normally, more than two and the command bar is replaced by a WM2003 style menubar with the SIP icon moved to the far right of the bar.
.NET CF releases are 'supposed' to be backwardly compatible, but that may depend on lots of things. You could try an install of a previous .NET CF, but to get rid of it will probably require a hard reset.

ive had the same issues with newerbuilds of 6.5. Memmaid and gpstoday come to mind regarding their menus that dont work properly.
dschoenike

I don't know about memaid but gpstoday is current development isn't it? someone else should have noticed by now...
I have a copy of it... i'll try it out...
AJ
posted mobile ... Excuse the typos...

confirmed - gpstoday has the same issue ... I might bite the bullet and flash back a few versions to see what happens. that's a real pain though.
AJ

OK so I tried gpstoday and IRIS with microsoft's .net cf cfg powertoy and .net cf 3.5 installed and had the same issue - does that mean it's dependant on the OS? I'm a programmer (past) but not a current developer so I not familiar with this stuff - anyone know how those menus are called/created?
AJ

that would be great if this issue can get fixed. The menu issues are the ony thing holding me back from flashing newer builds of wm 6.5 memmaid hasnt updated in ages, and who knows if/when they ever will.